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Pharma Marketing Faces a Character-Count Conundrum

this_boat_is_real writes "There's growing concern over how pharmaceutical companies use social media and the Internet to market their products. Last November, the US Food and Drug Administration held a hearing on the topic, and many were worried over how marketing mediums such as Twitter — which has a 140-character limit on text — can sufficiently disclose drug risks." Here's the FDA's announcement about last year's hearings, which includes links to an archive of presentations as well as a video record of the meeting.

176 comments

  1. A simple solution by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the drug companies should do is to add a disclaimer such as: -

    "Though these drugs may work as advertised, their use is not intended for use by residents of the USA. Such residents who wish to employ these drugs should ensure that their employment does not go against laws in their jurisdictions."

    1. Re:A simple solution by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A simpler solution- don't use twitter. Why the fuck are you looking for medical advise on twitter?

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    2. Re:A simple solution by cosm · · Score: 1

      A simpler simpler solution

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    3. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An even easier solution - don't advertise prescription drugs to patients.

      (The over-the-counter drugs are generally low-risk, and in any case the warnings are right on the packaging when you buy them.)

    4. Re:A simple solution by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why the fuck are you looking for medical advise on twitter?

      Restless Thumb Syndrome?

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    5. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      advice

    6. Re:A simple solution by izomiac · · Score: 5, Funny

      You shouldn't get medical advice from a drunk dude in a bar, but people do it. My guess is that this group seeking medical advice on Twitter overlaps very nicely with the group of people most susceptible to medical advertising.

      Obligatory XKCD.

    7. Re:A simple solution by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why the fuck are you looking for medical advise on twitter?

      Marketing/adverts != medical advice.

      Generally one doesn't look for advertisements.

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    8. Re:A simple solution by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Good idea. But that still leaves Caucasian Womens' magazines and TV. Have you picked up an issue of Home and Garden lately? That mag and those like it are chock full of two-page spreads of women frolicing in fields aside pink-and-blue of bipolar graphic design.

      Meanwhile, erectile dysfunciton medicine ads are featuring younger and younger men. Then there's the awkwardness of having to explain them to your kids who see them on TV.

    9. Re:A simple solution by FiloEleven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hah! I love the closing line in the image you linked: "Treatment patients can live with!"

      Setting the bar kinda low now, aren't we?

    10. Re:A simple solution by game+kid · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least it improves on their draft slogan, "AstraZeneca: culling the unfit from the gene pool through unfortunate accidents since 1999".

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    11. Re:A simple solution by wiredlogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even better would be to go back to the good ol' days and prohibit marketing prescription drugs to anyone without a license to prescribe drugs. Crazy, I know.

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    12. Re:A simple solution by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tend to agree. We should not allow advertisements for prescription drugs in ANY venue intended for the general public. The pharmaceutical industry has done irreparable harm to the health care industry through advertising. It's one thing to have people going out on their own and doing independent research to find out alternative treatments that might help them. It's quite another when sizable percentages of the population whose sole source of information about a product is what they learned in a 30 second TV ad decide to follow the ad's advice to "ask your doctor if [insert drug here] is right for you". If everyone did that, doctors would never get anything done....

      More often than not, it's a waste of doctors' time having to explain to patients why a particular highly advertised medicine is not the best choice. Half the time, the reason is that the medicine the person is on is working, so changing medications would just be adding risk with little benefit. As such, this sort of direct-to-patient advertising is harmful to both the quality of patient care and the proper functioning of our health insurance system.

      Don't just ban it on Twitter. Ban it on TV, on the radio, in newspapers, magazines, and related Google search result sidebars, too. While you're at it, please crack down on the "herbal viagra" spam. :-)

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    13. Re:A simple solution by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      "#NonUSA Buy ExcelSuperGreenDrug! #USA Sorry, you die."

    14. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of over the counter drugs are not low risk, and many can cause serious side effect when taken over a prolonged period of time. The nice thing about otcs is that most people don't know the risk and take them as if there where none. Pseudoephedrine is a good example of an otc that has had its availability restricted because of its illicit use. Aspirin is another drug that can cause death(about 25% of the time) when an overdose occurs.

    15. Re:A simple solution by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you can't SELL directly to the consumer then you should not be allowed to market to the consumer. These are substances that are considered so bad that untrustworthy civilians can't be trusted to buy them without a doctors referral. That line of reasoning should apply to the ads. People that can't be trusted to buy their own drugs should not be conned into demanding them from their doctor.

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    16. Re:A simple solution by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      Even better would be to go back to the good ol' days and prohibit marketing prescription drugs to anyone without a license to prescribe drugs. Crazy, I know.

      i think it's less crazy to prohibit the marketing to anyone than just some people.

      doctors should already have a public database of drug claims and clinical trial information. if a patient has high blood pressure, the doctor can look through all the drugs that claim to treat that ailment and see clinical results to make an informed decision. no marketing required.

    17. Re:A simple solution by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Who the fuck is dumb enough to look for advice from advertising?

    18. Re:A simple solution by zappepcs · · Score: 1, Troll

      It's better than that. Money for those ads has to come from somewhere and spending it on advertising rather than spending it on lowering the cost of R&D and lowering the cost of the drugs themselves is nothing short of greed beyond any hope of redemption. An ad for any medication whose side effects can be worse than the symptom they treat should not be allowed period. Making such a rule would simply change what side effects are reported though. The intent of Truth in advertising laws should be held to strict compliance with such things. Yes, they use a happy self confident man to advertise erectile dysfunction pills, and all the women who now want him, how his golf game is improved and on and on. They should advertise it truthfully: Yes, you now have an erection (for the next four+ hours) and you have to deal with that while your wife is nagging and bitching at you because you still didn't do all the other stuff that she wanted. While it may make your underwear fit tighter it will do absolutely nothing for her menopausal homicidal derangement.

      If you have PAD and never knew it, see a doctor. If you are also all but dead we have a medication that may be able to make your life worth living for a couple of more months. If you have PAD and want a couple of side effects that make you wish you were dead, we have a medication that may be able to help you.

      If you don't think you can afford this medicine, don't worry, we have a way to scam the insurance industry, after all, we've helped pay for most of their vacation homes for the last 35 years.

      Disclaimer: We are in the business of making money for the 'treatment' of medical conditions. If you are looking for a cure, please see your doctor, priest, or feel free to ignore our company altogether. Not all drugs are made with such callous intentions, but all drugs made by us are made this way. Not all drugs can treat all symptoms, so generally, if you have consistent breathing it is not possible to determine if this drug will affect you in a positive way, consult your doctor for more information for this symptom. If this medication makes you feel and look like any person in our advertisements, please call our marketing department: allow 30-45 rings as they may be sleeping.

      Chantix is a non-nicotine stop smoking treatment. If you want help to stop smoking see your doctor. He may prescribe Chantix. Remember thalidomide? We do too. Chantix may have some side effects if you are not already suffering from mental disorders. These side effects may make you wish you had suffered from mental health disorders prior to taking Chantix. It make also make your neighbors wish you had been on mental health medicines before taking Chantix. If you are in the random 53% of people who are not totally fucked over by this medication, you might be one of the lucky ones to get headaches and diarrhea. For those symptoms, please see your doctor as we have medications for those symptoms also.

      These medications are worse than unethical, in many cases they are advertising a chance for you to die. Yes, die. Any medication with a side effect of death is nothing more than Russian roulette with insurance company assistance in buying the bullets. Every disclaimer for medications should have two measures for side effects: one that lists the possible side effects, and one that lists the total number of marketing people who tested the drug and which if any of them suffered from side effects. Yes, I said it. All testing should be repeated on Marketing Group members and sales if they are involved etc.
      It must be reported what percentage of company employees who tested the drug also suffered side effects.

    19. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zicam, fen-phen, etc.

    20. Re:A simple solution by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ideally, that would be the case. But I know from personal experience that the doctors never check. They make an educated guess on the spot based on a quick glance through the questionnaire and a few questions. Then, if that drug dosen't work, they try another one. Then cocktails of 'em.

      More patient throughput and the patients' problems disappear because they're left with nothing but hindbrains, drooling stupors, and tardive dyskenesia.

    21. Re:A simple solution by hazem · · Score: 1

      Learning that it won't be able to have ads for Viagra and Monostat, Twitter just got a lot more interesting to me.

    22. Re:A simple solution by azrider · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "ask your doctor if [insert drug here] is right for you".

      Even better are the ones that say "Tell your doctor if you have [insert disease here]". Last I knew, since my doctor is supposedly monitoring my health, my doctor should be telling me.
      Otherwise, this is a blatant invitation for doctor shopping. If your doctor will not prescribe the medicine du jour, find one that will.

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    23. Re:A simple solution by bjwest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I totally agree. Pharmaceutical companies should not be allowed to advertise prescription drugs and OTC medications should be limited to after family hours. My thoughts on why there's so much prescription drug abuse by the young is that they are bombarded by advertisements on TV.

      Have a pain, take this drug.. Life got you down? Here try this one. No wonder kids think drugs are the answer to everything. That's what they've been told by Pharma... Take a drug (prescription, of course, illegal drugs are bad m-kay) to make your life "normal".

      Lawyers shouldn't advertise either, but that's getting into another topic.

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    24. Re:A simple solution by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, as an Australian, I find this pharma marketing so bizarre. Except for over-the-counter stuff like pain killers, there is no advertising of medical products in Australia (same for NZ, UK, probably most of the rest of the western world in fact).

      How can a non-expert have any idea what the best treatment is for a disease like schizophrenia? Indeed, for anything more serious than a head cold? I can imagine someone doing some serious research and making a suggestion to their doctor (who will hopefully either say 'good idea', or 'not a good idea, because....'), but basing a complex drug treatment choice on a magazine or TV ad? WTF?

      Besides, big pharma spends more money on marketing than they do on research. Since probably 99% of that marketing budget is spent in the USA alone, it is incredibly wasteful.

    25. Re:A simple solution by settantta · · Score: 1

      'Cause they're all twits?

    26. Re:A simple solution by gd2shoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pseudoephedrine is a good example of an otc that has had its availability restricted because of its illicit use.

      Good argument, bad example. It's not pseudoephrine that people were abusing, but meth derived from it. Granted, most of the OTC risk is from not following proper dosage, or mixing drugs.

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    27. Re:A simple solution by Plunky · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wow, as an Australian, I find this pharma marketing so bizarre. Except for over-the-counter stuff like pain killers, there is no advertising of medical products in Australia (same for NZ, UK, probably most of the rest of the western world in fact).

      There is, they just have to target the doctors directly (who don't have time, knowledge or inclination to investigate the claims directly, and are more likely to be swayed by the fancy literature and free lunch accompanying the salesperson)

    28. Re:A simple solution by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, that is true, and such advertising can be quite insidious. But it is at least targetted at the right audience, ie people best equipped to make a well-informed decision. The insidious part comes when the marketing becomes more than just a sales pitch, and turns into free gifts (bribes) or worse.

      I disagree with your claim that doctors don't have time, knowledge or inclination to investigate the claims directly, and are more likely to be swayed by the fancy literature and free lunch accompanying the salesperson. All doctors at least know how to read a technical report, and know where to go to get further information (eg, journal literature). Maybe some doctors don't have time to do this, or take the easy option and rely on the sales pitch, but at least they do have the necessary technical background.

    29. Re:A simple solution by Hognoxious · · Score: 0, Troll

      How can a non-expert have any idea what the best treatment is for a disease like schizophrenia? Indeed, for anything more serious than a head cold?

      This site in particular is full of self-diagnosers who'll jump on you as an elitist for suggesting that a doctor might know more about your body than you do.

      A torrent of "doctors know nothing - they gave my dad three months to live and he survived nearly a hundred days" will be along shortly.

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    30. Re:A simple solution by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck is dumb enough to look for advice from advertising?

      Suggestible people.. They will be along any minute claiming that advertising prescription drugs is essential for the free market to survive.

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    31. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most relevant post on the internet since 1997 0_o

    32. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However you know in general most doctors don't know about most drug options out there. So if your doctors don't know then who would be the best person to at least get some level of education. And since we know the general public has a collective education and attention span of 8th graders. Twitter and TV is a far better venue than I imagine a back of the cereal box(which I personally think would get more attention).

    33. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly your doctor really may not know.

    34. Re:A simple solution by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nonsense. A doctor given 15 minutes to gather a new patient's history and a recent 8 hour forced presentation on lowering drug costs is often squeezed for time to review the dozen potential treatments and review them for factors that conflict with its use for a specific patient. I've reminded of the colleague with a bad shoulder: while he and I were discussing his keyboard layout to ease his discomfort, we discussed his new pain medication (Naproxen). I looked it up, because of some recent shoulder issues I'd had (lifting a server off of someone's foot). I noticed its kidney risks and pointed them out to this diabetic colleague, who takes blood pressure medication. While his shoulder doctor had known its usefulness, he'd missed out on the issues for diabetics and their kidneys, because he was apparently rushed by HMO policies and the short times actually allocated to talk to patients. My colleague's kidney specialist flipped out when he was asked about the drug.

      The shoulder doctor was highly recommended, a skilled sports medicine specialist. But he was hurried by his HMO, whose policies really reduce the amount of time doctors can spend with patients and foist the medical history gathering and basic physical testing off onto nurses and physician's assistants, so all the doctor sees is a sheet or two filled with diagnosis. It's gotten very hard for a doctor to do any research for their patients.

    35. Re:A simple solution by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      Not true. Here in the UK, direct inducements for doctors are limited by law to £5 per doctor. I'm a doctor in the NHS myself.

      That usually means that they buy us a load of supermarket sandwiches and talk to us for 10 minutes about a drug we already know about and use.

      Does that change our prescribing practises? No...because we can only prescribe drugs approved by the hospital trust's drug panel, populated by expert pharmacists.

      In the end, it's just a charade - there is effectively no direct marketing of drugs here in the UK, to doctors or otherwise.

    36. Re:A simple solution by aurispector · · Score: 2, Informative

      "ask your doctor"

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    37. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise, this is a blatant invitation for doctor shopping

      Nothing wrong with that- Doctor Shopping is a pretty friendly guy, and prescribed me whatever medications I asked for.

    38. Re:A simple solution by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      I did not know America used to be like that. Wow...

      As a non-American who had never been exposed to direct marketing of prescription drugs (illegal here in Australia, as it is pretty much everywhere), I always just assumed you guys ~always~ had direct marketing of pharmaceuticals to the public. But apparently not? Which leads me to wonder whether you shouldn't get rid of it again, because it really isn't a good idea for many reasons elaborated upon in this thread.

      And usually any Slashdot thread that has a theme of "OMG the US does this crazy thing noone else does" degenerates into petty nationalistic arguments between the Americans and the others (see: use of metric system). But curiously, this thread seems to show that even most Americans would prefer to get rid of their direct pharma marketing.

      I've spent a lot of time in the US (years), and I have to say one of the things you notice MOST is the difference in the makeup of TV ads. In the US you get 1 or 2 prescription drug ads in every ad break. Sometimes more ... up to a good 20% of total ads by my reckoning. What's hilarious (and I really mean, funny as hell) to an 'outsider' whos not used to it is that the ads are about 10 seconds ad, and 50 seconds disclaimer. "Can result in death". First time I heard that one I literally laughed and thought "haha who would buy that?!".

    39. Re:A simple solution by sskinnider · · Score: 1

      To a lot of people it does! That is exactly why bigpharma advertise so much.

    40. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw an ad for Cialis(sp?) in primetime here in New Zealand a couple of nights ago.

    41. Re:A simple solution by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      It's not just a simple lunch they are being plied with. They are given expensive holidays overseas, to attend an important conference of course, and many other big ticket items to convince them to push one manufacturers drugs over another.

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    42. Re:A simple solution by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck is dumb enough to look for advice from advertising?

      Suggestible people.. They will be along any minute claiming that advertising prescription drugs is essential for the free market to survive.

      I love how everybody on Slashdot thinks they're one of the rational people who aren't suggestible. All they have to do is make a name ubiquitous enough that you associate it with something else (that "something else" being decided by their marketing strategy and focus tests) and they've affected you too. It doesn't have to work on a conscious level; in fact it often doesn't.

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    43. Re:A simple solution by martas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      and the modders just proved you wrong.

    44. Re:A simple solution by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 1

      There's an advert for a private healthcare provider in the UK (hence competing with the'free' NHS) where the slogan is "We can be bothered"

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    45. Re:A simple solution by timothy · · Score: 1

      "Yes, but this is *good* censorship."

      timothy

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    46. Re:A simple solution by Plunky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not true. Here in the UK, direct inducements for doctors are limited by law to £5 per doctor. I'm a doctor in the NHS myself.

      Thats interesting, do companies try to get around that, legitimately or not? And, what kind of doctor are you? I was kind of thinking about GPs when I wrote the comment you replied to..

      Does that change our prescribing practises? No...because we can only prescribe drugs approved by the hospital trust's drug panel, populated by expert pharmacists.

      Hm, but if two drugs from different are available for the same complaint, could the fact that the rep from A was here last week (wether he bought you sandwiches or not) influence your prescribing practice? Thats the way that advertising normally works. The company spends masses of money to get the brand name into your head, so that when you see it you recognise it.. and when you recognise it, you are more likely to buy it than not. This works well on <made up number> percentage of the population which I can only surmise includes doctors who are human in other respects.

    47. Re:A simple solution by ffreeloader · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, "ask your doctor" isn't always good advice.

      I've gone to quite a few different doctors over during my lifetime and only a few really know what the side effects are of the drugs they prescribe. A couple would literally refuse to believe my symptoms were side effects of the drugs they prescribed even though the symptoms started after beginning the use of the drug, and the symptoms were listed by the manufacturer as a side effect of the drug. In fact, a couple of times the symptoms were under the heading of "if you experience these symptoms contact your doctor immediately". IOW's even serious side effects are prone to be ignored by doctors when patients report them.

       

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    48. Re:A simple solution by AlejoHausner · · Score: 1

      > "ask your doctor if [insert drug here] is right for you"

      Absolutely not! Doctors have little objective knowledge about drugs. All their information comes from representatives of pharmaceutical companies. I think that pharma should definitely be allowed to advertise to consumers, but that doctors should be left untouched. Pharma pays doctors big piles of money (I think I heard Corey Doctorow say that there are as many drug salesmen as doctors!), so doctors are terribly corrupted.

      Moreover, the corruption is subtle, and the doctors actually think they're giving objective advice!

      Alejo

    49. Re:A simple solution by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      I love how everybody on Slashdot thinks they're one of the rational people who aren't suggestible. All they have to do is make a name ubiquitous enough that you associate it with something else (that "something else" being decided by their marketing strategy and focus tests) and they've affected you too. It doesn't have to work on a conscious level; in fact it often doesn't.

      Almost as entertaining as the ones who have an unshakable faith in their profession to the point where they can't imagine anybody liking anything they have not been told they like.. Advertising does have some small amount of use. It brings products to people's attention. That is about as far as it goes. With me at least.

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    50. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> len("Though these drugs may work as advertised, their use is not intended for use by residents of the USA. Such residents who wish to employ these drugs should ensure that their employment does not go against laws in their jurisdictions.")
      232

    51. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figured drug advertising had jumped the shark when I saw one that mentioned death as a potential side effect. That is, ignoring that allowing drug ads at all is already jumping the shark.

    52. Re:A simple solution by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Free lunch? They give us a lot more than a free lunch.

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    53. Re:A simple solution by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Doctors don't know jack about stats. In my stats classes I use examples from medical journals all the time, to show the "dam lies" part of statistics.

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    54. Re:A simple solution by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, that might be true - but it points to a deficiency in medical training, not a fundamental incapacity. For gods sake, these people study for at least 6 years to become a doctor, at least make them take stats 101!

    55. Re:A simple solution by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How do you come to that conclusion, Einstein? It's easy to remember: Down = Disagree.

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    56. Re:A simple solution by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      if we know that doctors are basing their educated guesses on the same marketing available to patients, then why are prescriptions required?

    57. Re:A simple solution by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they really are not taught how to be critical of "peer" reviewed papers. Remember that even on /. there was a article about shell peer reviewed journals, just so that the funding drug company got its "findings" published.

      It comes back to true economic incentives vers the public good. I can't see any real free market working in health and medicine. The balances and cost just don't work.

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    58. Re:A simple solution by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      I've never known of drug companies trying to get around that limit, but then again it's relatively new in practice. On your second point - I specifically remember a case when working as a trainee in a urology unit where the reps were pushing really hard on dutasteride as an alternative treatment for benign prostatic hypertrophy versus our standard regimen of using finasteride.

      Now, dutasteride costs the NHS about 5-10x what finasteride does (but shows results in half the time and /slightly/ more cases), even though they're both on our formulary. So what did we do in practice? For NHS patients we'd prescribe the dutasteride to patients who were young and wanted to get on with life, or to the old boys who'd already tried finasteride but without any benefit. This meant 90% of our patients still received the old drug, and only 10% the 'newer, sexier' dutasteride alternative - and even those cases were those who we thought would benefit most.

      As a doctor in the NHS, costs to the system do feature in many of my decisions when trying to balance what's best for the patient in front of me vs. what's best for the next 100 about to come through my door.

      Personally, I'm currently a surgical trainee looking to get out. Long story.

    59. Re:A simple solution by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm currently a surgical trainee looking to get out. Long story.

      couldn't cut it eh? ..... I'll get my coat.

  2. Isn't the solution obvious? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the cool kids today are using URL shorteners. They make it impossible to see where a link is going, make the link's function depend on two 3rd parties rather than just one, and probably provide lots of sneaky analytics data; but they allow you to embed URLs in your tweets, so clearly it's worth it.

    Anyway, the fine nation of Uganda has the .ug TLD. All we have to do is obtain dr.ug and set up a URL shortening service specifically for linking to giant lists of scary sounding side effects from pharma shill tweets. What could be more logical?(Besides, y'know, not fucking direct marketing Prescription Drugs...)

    1. Re:Isn't the solution obvious? by bogaboga · · Score: 0

      Is there any reason you used Uganda? In other words, could the country in your submission be Vanuatu for example?

    2. Re:Isn't the solution obvious? by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Informative

      He uses uganda for the same resason del.icio uses .us (to spell delicious) -- so that the url spells "drug" when you take the tld separator out. The .vu doesn't mean anything in this context (at least, i don't see it right away). Its not a swipe at Uganda, its just utilitarian.

    3. Re:Isn't the solution obvious? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I was hoping that there was a .ct TLD, so that I could suggest sideeffe.ct; but apparently there is no such TLD. dr.ug seemed like the next best thing, and .ug happens to be Uganda. Absolutely nothing to do with the country itself, just needed a TLD that would make it easy to spell something.

    4. Re:Isn't the solution obvious? by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyway, the fine nation of Uganda has the .ug TLD. All we have to do is obtain dr.ug and set up a URL shortening service... What could be more logical?

      Dr. Uganda?

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    5. Re:Isn't the solution obvious? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Funny

      President Madagascar's personal physician...

    6. Re:Isn't the solution obvious? by deniable · · Score: 2, Funny

      Connecticut. .ct.us so that you can have siddef.ct.us or couldeffe.ct.us Might work.

  3. What's wrong with twitter and drugs? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    My dealer uses twiiter.

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    1. Re:What's wrong with twitter and drugs? by cosm · · Score: 2, Funny

      My dealer's girlfriend has nice tweets.

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    2. Re:What's wrong with twitter and drugs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a pronunced lisp you have there. I'm sure there are drugs that can help you.

  4. Is that really the problem? by macraig · · Score: 1

    As if character count is the real worry with how Big Pharma markets their wares? Talk about misdirection and misframing....

  5. 140 Chars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo dawg.Come check out this new medication for Lupus. It's off the chain.You'll be fucking up with fat bitches in no time!Btw it causes horr

    1. Re:140 Chars? by game+kid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yo dawg, I herd you like side effects so we put a Viagra in your Viagra so you can go blind while you get priapism. http://www.viagra.com/

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  6. Information by Sarten-X · · Score: 0

    I'm in favor of full disclosure of significant risks, but I think it's a bit ridiculous that a side effect with 0.1% occurrence needs to be listed in every advertisement. If you're getting a prescription medication, you should be talking to a doctor. The doctor should be able to warn you of significant side effects, and those lovely information sheets can tell you about the rest. Is this much information REALLY necessary?

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    1. Re:Information by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Clarification: a MINOR side effect with 0.1% occurrence. I'm not talking about "1 in 1000 dies instantly". I'm talking about "1 in 1000 has a mild headache".

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    2. Re:Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're getting a prescription medication, you should be talking to a doctor.

      I agree, but I came to a different conclusion: Your doctor should be informed on medications enough that he is recommending what you take, you should not be requesting drugs you saw on tv.

      Doctors not only know the side effects, but they also know the alternatives. Why should pharmaceutical companies be advertising things you cant directly buy at all?

    3. Re:Information by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      I'd think that if only 1 in 1000 people taking the pill experience a headache then it should be marketed as a cure for headaches, seeing as the portion of the population at any given moment with headaches is probably much higher than that.

    4. Re:Information by Manfre · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer if they didn't advertise controlled substances.

  7. Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone use a social media platform that artificially limits your entries to 140 chars? This is a technical limitation that would seem to limit the utility of the service.

    Why would they create a blogging site and deliberately degrade it in this way?

    And why limit it by chars? Wouldn't limiting by number of words (provided each word is no longer than say 30 chars) be a better way to keep posts simple without introducing a situation where users use awkward abbreviations to shorten their entries?

    A service that limits the length of entries by number of words (and say one URL per entry) instead of by number of chars would seem to me to be the best way to enforce brevity. Isn't the point of brevity to reduce the time spent reading information? The typical Twitter entry with awkward abbreviations would seem to cancel out this advantage.

    1. Re:Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by KiahZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps because it was designed with SMS limitations in mind?

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    2. Re:Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      The messages are limited to the size of an SMS messages since that is how tweeting was originally meant to be done.

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    3. Re:Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That may be. It would be interesting to know what percentage of people tweet via SMS versus web access or other means.

      With more and more phones having web access and web access being more ubiquitous, I don't see why SMS is still needed for tweeting. But if it is needed, why not allow them to send more than one SMS message to comprise an entry based on the amount of time passed between each message?

      What would be a good guess on the percentage of people tweeting via SMS?

    4. Re:Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by KiahZero · · Score: 1

      Not "may be," "is."

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/02/twitter-creator.html

      It was really SMS that inspired the further direction -- the particular constraint of 140 characters was kind of borrowed. You have a natural constraint with the couriers when you update your location or with IM when you update your status. But SMS allowed this other constraint, where most basic phones are limited to 160 characters before they split the messages. So in order to minimize the hassle and thinking around receiving a message, we wanted to make sure that we were not splitting any messages. So we took 20 characters for the user name, and left 140 for the content. That’s where it all came from.

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    5. Re:Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by deniable · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, I heard someone on TV the other day talk about the 140 character limit of SMS. The two are sort of merging in a lot of places. Ick.

    6. Re:Why a 140-char limit, and why not by words? by am+2k · · Score: 1

      SMS actually has a limitation of 140 bytes or 140*8 bits, which are also 160*7 bits. AFAIK both 7bit and 8bit encodings are supported, but usually 7bit is used.

  8. How to meet the character limit :) by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Buy __MIRACLEDRUG__ to cure __DREADDISEASE___. See your doctor before using. May be fatal."

    There, as long as __MIRACLEDRUG__ and __DREADDISEASE__ aren't too long I think we've met the 140-character limit and mentioned the worst possible side-effect. Can we archive this discussion now?

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  9. Neither can anything else by purplie · · Score: 1

    So they think a 30-second commercial is long enough to disclose drug risks? Or anything else than a many-page highly technical report that assumes the reader knows all the implications of the implications? And when the risks are often not even well-known in the first place?

    1. Re:Neither can anything else by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing is, in a 30 second commercial, you can use a sped-up announcer or 2 point fonts that are completely unreadable, but TECHNICALLY meet the requirements.

      In a 140 character twitter message, you can do a bit of unintelligible abbreviation, but even then, 140 characters isn't enough to include the disclaimer ITSELF.

  10. Huh...interesting problem by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    I think I'll send a letter to my congresswoman asking for a bill requiring all text ads be at least 141 characters in length.

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    1. Re:Huh...interesting problem by HellYeahAutomaton · · Score: 1

      You might be onto something. See if they can get a healthcare bill down to a single tweet.

    2. Re:Huh...interesting problem by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      You might be onto something. See if they can get a healthcare bill down to a single tweet.

      strlen("Medicare for everyone!") = 22

      Not that American politicians would ever allow this to happen.

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  11. Can Twittering help my pharmaceutical business? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890
    Tard. dysk.; fever; shaking/sweating/confus./incr. pulse/bloodpress (NMS)

    1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890
    occas. fatal; [mini]strokes 4 psychotic old ppl.; suic. risk; coma; death

    Yay!

  12. Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements. by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quit allowing the advertisement of prescription drugs. The reason that prescription drugs are, well, by prescription, is that they may carry significant risks, and careful evaluation by a professional is required as to whether a patient should take them.

    If a patient needs a prescription, let their doctor be the one who gives them their options, based on a full discussion of the risks and benefits of each possible one, and let the patient be the one to decide based on this information. And while we're at it, let's disallow the pharma companies from ever knowing how often a given doctor prescribes their stuff, so that they can't give any type of reward or kickback (they would still, of course, know how often they're prescribed in aggregate).

    Medical decisions should be made based upon a detailed discussion with a professional, not a glossy brochure.

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  13. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by IICV · · Score: 1

    But we can't let a bureaucrat get between patients and their health care needs! Not even if that bureaucrat is a doctor!

  14. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by barzok · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quit allowing the advertisement of prescription drugs. The reason that prescription drugs are, well, by prescription, is that they may carry significant risks, and careful evaluation by a professional is required as to whether a patient should take them.

    There are only 2 countries which allow "direct to consumer" advertising of prescription drugs - the US and New Zealand, and I'm not 100% about NZ (been a while since I looked). That should tell you something right there.

    Medical decisions should be made based upon a detailed discussion with a professional, not a glossy brochure.

    Sometimes I wonder if the glossy brochure and a few free pens & notepads is all the professional is working off as well.

  15. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by ldconfig · · Score: 1

    more 420 would mean less 140 :)

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  16. Twitter is overrated but others have length limits by tepples · · Score: 1

    In a 140 character twitter message, you can do a bit of unintelligible abbreviation, but even then, 140 characters isn't enough to include the disclaimer ITSELF.

    True, but let me see what I can fit into 120 characters, the length of a Slashdot signature:

    Have trouble keeping your pecker up? Ask your MD about VIAGRA. (It's not for everyone. For safety info see VIAGRA.com.)

    Mod twitter [...] overrated!

    I think Twitter is overrated too, but the article takes Twitter's message length limitation as a postulate. It also mentions the similar length limitation in Google text ads.

  17. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by HellYeahAutomaton · · Score: 1

    How about quit allowing drug manufacturers to release drugs with no more than 2 side effects?
    What ever happened to "Do no harm"?

    The problem isn't fitting the contraindications into a tweet, its having too many contraindications.

  18. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There are four kinds of drug ads:
    • ads for an over-the-counter drug such as Advil (ibuprofen),
    • "help seeking ads" that mention a disease and no drug ("if you have symptoms A, B, and C it could be disease XYZ; visit LearnAboutXYZ.com"),
    • "reminder ads" that mention a prescription drug and no disease ("ask your doctor whether PLACEBO is right for you"), and
    • ads that mention both a prescription drug and a disease, which also have to mention the side effects.

    If you ban all drug ads, then how do you educate the public that a particular syndrome is treatable?

  19. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that's a very good point. before i visited the states i'd never seen an ad on tv for prescription drugs. i can't see how it helps anyone other then the drug company, and their well being doesn't trump the publics.

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  20. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by jx100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    By telling all the doctors that some drug exists, who will then tell the people when they go to see them about the new giant growth in their neck.

  21. It's easy to do in 144 characters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Viagra: Get yur d!ck up! F-ck lik a horse! SFX: Eye sh!t, belly sh!t, soft sh!t, piss sh!t, heart sh!t, brain sh!t, crash yur plane sh!t.

    #Pfizer

    See?

    There's more info in 144 characters than you'll get from the tv commercials.

  22. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by JDevers · · Score: 1

    I think you meant "...to release drugs with more than 2 side effects?" The no there kind of changes it and I'm sure that the pharma companies would gladly oblige.

    In reality though, MOST things will have more than a few side effects, that is why they are prescription drugs...if they were completely safe they would be OTC. As far as that goes, even most OTC drugs have more than a few potential side effects they are just more rare and less damaging. If Bristol Myers Squibb proposed Tylenol as a new drug it would almost certainly NOT be given clearance by the modern FDA, it's therapeutic window is just too small, especially in people with liver issues which they might not even know they have.

  23. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by digital_proletariat · · Score: 1

    "Tell your doctor? Tell your doctor?.. Shouldn’t my doctor be telling me?.. When you tell your doctor, isn’t he just a dealer at that point?" -- Bill Maher

  24. not a problem by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wanna bet the law gets changed ?

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    1. Re:not a problem by Gerafix · · Score: 1

      Want you meant to say is the Pharma Corps will liberate the US Discrimination System from their horribly draconian anti free market socialist communist biases. Of course all to better serve the American Citizen with The Best Health Care In The World.

  25. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I wonder if the glossy brochure and a few free pens & notepads is all the professional is working off as well.

    That and the Powerpoint slides from their gratis "training" seminar in the Caribbean.

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  26. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by tepples · · Score: 1

    how do you educate the public that a particular syndrome is treatable?

    By telling all the doctors that some drug exists, who will then tell the people when they go to see them about the new giant growth in their neck.

    Unless the people all think that, for example, "the new giant growth in their neck" is a normal part of aging. For example, a patient might be afraid to go see a doctor about sexual dysfunctions for fear of wasting the doctor's time and the patient's money for a visit.

  27. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about quit allowing drug manufacturers to release drugs with no more than 2 side effects?

    Because we all have different DNA, so one person will have side effects, where another person does not. All drugs have some side effects, even natural ones. Some people react badly to caffeine for example.

    However, very little work is done to match your DNA profile to side effects of any given drug. Most clinical studies only track your "race" European, African, Asian etc which is a poor indicator of genetic differences. Hopefully as the cost of DNA mapping is get significantly cheaper there will be a batter mapping of your genetics Vs side effects so a Doctor can administer drugs which match your generic profile.

  28. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by phantomfive · · Score: 0, Troll

    Quit allowing the advertisement of prescription drugs.

    Not going to happen, check out the Constitution:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press

    It's pretty clear. And personally I don't favor amending it just so some easily manipulable people can stop getting upset when their doctors don't prescribe them the random medicine they saw on TV. Learn not to be manipulated by advertising, it's an important life skill. Don't make the rest of us suffer just because a small group who can't handle it. By your logic we ought to ban a lot of things because a small minority can't handle them.

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  29. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by WiiVault · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds to me like with the exception of the (possibly) the last bullet point those kind of ads should be banned. They play into people's fears and constant need to "enhance" themselves. These companies are just hoping to make us all hypochondriacs and it seems to be working sadly. The ins and outs of various diseases and medicines should be left to the expert, the doctor, not some half-brained twit who rots their brain watching hours and hours of pharma ads.

  30. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by tepples · · Score: 1

    Tell your doctor? Tell your doctor?.. Shouldn’t my doctor be telling me?

    Medical records aren't yet completely synchronized between health care providers. Part of this is that electronic medical records are relatively new; the other part is HIPAA. Besides, how will your doctor know what side effects you've been feeling if you don't tell your doctor about them?

  31. I can just see it now... by mcalchera · · Score: 1

    cialis may b rite 4 u 2day! side fx r: ur ass may leak, <3 atk, u cant sleep. call ur dr if u hav erection 4 more than 4 hrs

  32. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Tromad · · Score: 1

    "If you ban all drug ads, then how do you educate the public that a particular syndrome is treatable"

    Shouldn't the patient be discussing their symptoms to the doctor? I do a review of systems with all of my patients. Unless there is something new, anything that is bothering a patient I should already know about.

  33. worst possible side effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is quite a bit worse than fatal. It could take a week or two to kill you, and make you feel great during that time, while turning you into a disease carrier fatal to everyone around you while you're still alive.

    1. Re:worst possible side effect by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      So you get to be a super villain for a week or two, but you have to die at the end?

      More than a few people might consider that a worthwhile trade.

  34. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by timmarhy · · Score: 1
    you do not need to market medications to talk about illness. you can simply say "see your doctor for available treatments".

    end of story.

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  35. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by JNSL · · Score: 1

    The right to free speech is not unlimited. Since it is commercial speech, any law abridging the speech needs to pass intermediate scrutiny - i.e. the law must further an important government interest in a way that is substantially related to that interest. So if the law bans the interest (protecting the health of citizens is important) without going too far (the narrower the better), it would fly.

    The real issue is getting the law passed. As far as Congress justifying the law, the commerce clause would easily serve Congress. But special interests could hold it back.

  36. Chemical Death..... in 140 chars or less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    End prohibition..... Re-Legalize cannabis.... educate the public on the proper medicinal use of cannabis.

    The pharma companies will lose money naturally. Who wants to take a pill that kills you slowly when you can use cannabis without side effects.
    (Gotta use it properly though and that takes information that's not mainstream.)

    Search for "Granny Storm Crow" and start reading.

  37. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by alvinrod · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Would that also include banning the radio PSA reminding women to take folic acid during pregnancy (or when planning to become pregnant) to reduce the rate of birth defects? How about the ones urging teens not to commit suicide? Though not exactly drugs in the traditional sense, they do pertain to health and probably constitute a fifth class, but they may share some overlap with the other types of ads mentioned.

    I also fail to see the issue with the first category of add. A lot of over-the-counter drugs are relatively harmless and are about as similar as different brands of shampoo. If three different cough medicine companies want to advertise their brand, that's entirely their business. Not all types of medicine are something that requires the expert opinion of a doctor. Sometimes common sense or a basic understanding of disease and medicine is enough to treat something like a common cough.

    I share your sentiments regarding the effects of a lot of this advertisement, but not your solution. As tepples pointed out, advertisement can serve as a form of education for the public. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

  38. Risk disclaimers are BS for any prescription by Quila · · Score: 1

    You need a prescription, right? So that means you've seen a doctor and a pharmacist if you're taking it, and it was the responsibility of one or both of them to explain all of the risks to you. Too damn bad if you're taking prescription meds without a prescription, you deserve what you get.

    The disclaimer is effectively inherent in any legally prescribed medication.

  39. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is indeed pretty clear. Those rights were granted to human beings, not multi-national conglomerates. Corporations don't, and weren't supposed to, have the same rights as human beings. Free speech is not unlimited - when your "speech" is detrimental to the well being of the vast majority of citizens, then it is no longer protected by the Constitution. Yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre comes to mind...

    Also, it has happened plenty of times before; remember Joe Camel?

    Furthermore, it's not just some "small group" who can't handle not being manipulated by advertising - it's pretty much the extreme majority. They've spent the last 60 years studying our brains just so that we *can't* ignore their marketing efforts - and they're pretty damned good at it.

  40. 140 characters by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

    Not intended for off-road use. Best if used before date on carton. May explode if recharged improperly. Contains no artificial colors or ingredients. This product is meant for educational purposes only. Void where prohibited. Some assembly required. List each check separately by bank number. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Postage will be paid by addressee. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. Do not stamp. Use other side for additional listings. For recreational use only. All models over 18 years of age. If condition persists, consult your physician. No user-servicable parts inside. Simulated picture. Times approximate. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Breaking seal constitutes acceptance of agreement. As seen on TV. One size fits all. Many suitcases look alike. Contains a substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients. Colors may, in time, fade. We have sent the forms which seem to be right for you. For office use only. Not affiliated with the American Red Cross. Edited for television. Post office will not deliver without postage. List was current at time of printing. Not the Beatles. Penalty for private use. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Do not write below this line. Your cancelled check is your receipt. Add toner. Avoid contact with skin. Sanitized for your protection. Sign here without admitting guilt. Slightly higher west of the Mississippi. Employees and their families are not eligible. Contestants have been briefed on some questions before the show. Limited time offer, call now to insure prompt delivery. You must be present to win. Use only in well-ventilated area. Keep away from fire or flame. Approved for veterans. Booths for two or more. Check here if tax deductible. Price does not include taxes. Not recommended for children. No alcohol, dogs, or horses. Restaurant package, not for resale. Packaged by weight, not volume: some settling may occur during shipping. Opened for inspection. Lather, rinse, repeat. Keep out of reach of children. For external use only. Do not exceed recommended dosage. Suggested serving. Do not remove this tag until sold for retail. Dry clean only. Not for use with the Republican party. If left parked for over 10 minutes, may be towed. This product is meant for educational purposes only. Ask your doctor or pharmacist. Do not open. Authorized personnel only. You may have additional rights which vary from state to state. Not recommended for children under 12. Parental guidance is irrelevent. Batteries not included. Does not come with any other figures. Any resemblence to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Void where prohibited. Some assembly required. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle. Postage will be paid by addressee. Address correction requested. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. Not for internal use. May be unsettling to some viewers. Do not stamp. Use other side for additional listings. For recreational purposes only. Do not disturb. Must be over 18 or have your parent's permission. If condition persists, consult your doctor. Freshest if eaten before date stamped on carton. Subject to change without notice. Times approximate. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Breaking seal constitues acceptance of agreement. Place stamp here. One backup copy may be made. One size fits all. Colors may, in time, fade. Any inperfections are inherent in the material. Slippery when wet. For office use only. Net weight before cooking. Post Office will not deliver without postage. Keep cool; process promptly. List current at time of printing. At participating locations only. Penalty for private use. See label for sequence. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Licensed f

  41. Why must they advertise on Twitter? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The disclosure laws are there for a reason. If you can't satisfy their requirements in a tweet then you can't advertise pharmaceuticals on Twitter. If you can't satisfy them in a Google ad then you can't advertise pharmaceuticals in a Google ad.

    This isn't affecting any one company over another or anything like that. It's just following the laws to their conclusion -- and, really, going right along with their intention. Putting a drug in your body is of much greater consequence than what company you buy your mass-produced junk from, and these laws make sure drug companies can't just do snappy, feel-good 10-second spots with no substance whatsoever like beer companies and cola companies.

    A big part of advertising is repeating a brand name over and over. There's an impression made by hearing a brand name in association with positive images or text, even if you aren't very involved with the ad. The disclosure laws try to prevent companies from just spamming you with impressions and making sure there is substantial information right up front. If it's behind a link, as many of these companies propose, that's all lost. The casual eye skips over, gets the positive impression and none of the disclosure.

    So... within our current framework if there's no room to disclose right up front there should be no ad at all. Maybe the disclosure laws suck, maybe the fact that drugs are advertised at all sucks... those are separate points. As the law stands now, no Twitter ads for Viagra. Yay!

  42. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Already happens, see alcohol and tobacco advertising restrictions. Previous SCOTUS rulings oked them. The current SCOTUS may not, but we may get lucky and have Scalia or Thomas die.

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  43. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Panoptes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After reading this (and other comments in a similar vein) I can see more clearly what is wrong with commercialised healthcare and the pharmaceutical industry in the USA. For all us non-Americans out in the real world, the title of that patriotic song "God Save America" might be changed to "God Save Us From America".

  44. As a vistor to the US... by trawg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... I am regularly amazed by the sheer number of pharma ads on television. Depending on the time of day I can see anywhere between 50 to 100% of the ads on TV being about pharma products.

    I'd worry about getting those ones down before I worried about the Internet ones.

  45. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by XorNand · · Score: 1

    I believe everyone here is talking about prescription drugs, not vitamins or OTC meds.

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  46. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by khallow · · Score: 1

    After reading this (and other comments in a similar vein) I can see more clearly what is wrong with commercialised healthcare and the pharmaceutical industry in the USA.

    Sure you can. I simply don't see the problem with phantonfive's post. The First Amendment really is one of the things that the US has going for it. I don't favor screwing that up just to hypothetically protect some dumb people.

  47. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are only 2 countries which allow "direct to consumer" advertising of prescription drugs - the US and New Zealand, and I'm not 100% about NZ (been a while since I looked). That should tell you something right there.

    Canada has some limited drug ads.

    Medical decisions should be made based upon a detailed discussion with a professional, not a glossy brochure.

    Sometimes I wonder if the glossy brochure and a few free pens & notepads is all the professional is working off as well.

    Ha. The dirty secret of the drug business is when you bring your prescription to the pharmacy & have it filled, the pharmacist immediately sells the prescription to a data broker. Not to build a profile of the patient, but to build a profile of the doctor. Then they sell this info to drug sales reps.

    So Dr. Smith, we notice that you prescribe a lot of drug A, which is for medical condition B. We think our drug, drug X, is much better, and here's some scientific literature that might help you make a decision. And if you start prescribing more of drug X than drug A, we'll hire you as a consultant, or send you to a nice medical conference in Hawaii...

    The drug business does develop new drugs, and they do help people. But they are very scummy in other ways.

  48. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Cwix · · Score: 1

    FIne lets take "human rights" away from corporations thou.

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  49. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    haha fail so bad.

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  50. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

    You can quite easily run an ad saying "Do you have a giant neck growth? Help may be available for you, consult your doctor!" without advocating a specific treatment.

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  51. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

    That's certainly what I meant, at least. If a drug is safe enough to let people buy it off a grocery store shelf without consulting a doctor, we're talking about a different story. Folic acid, shampoo, and cough medicine are not generally prescription drugs, nor are suicide help hotlines.

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  52. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by timmarhy · · Score: 1
    there are already tonnes of restrictions on what's aired on TV and cable. it's freedom to speak not freedom to force millions to listen to your ad. and yes we do ban lots of stuff because a minority can't handle them.

    it's like you've got no grip on what happens in the real world.

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  53. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Side effects are often haphazard - some guy may have reported having more headaches during clinical trials, but the true cause was his kids drums or listening to his iPod too much. Someone may have had a heart attack during trials but that was due to chance or perhaps too high a cholesterol. Drug testing is as scientific as we can make it, but is nowhere near the chemistry lab experiments we did in high school for being truly controlled. The systems involved and the myriad possible interactions are just too hard to test completely, so any reported side effects (possibly higher than a certain threshold) have to be reported. How many software incompatibilities have we seen over the years where software package x and driver y don't get along? The same thing happens for drugs, especially when the elderly who have the weakest (on average) immune systems are the ones coping with the most interactions.

  54. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by laughingcoyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Free speech is never absolute, and certainly never in a commercial setting. For example, your doctor cannot go post your medical records on a public website. That's free speech, but HIPAA bans it, and I think you'd find arguing that a doctor should be exempt from HIPAA on free speech grounds not to meet the reception you'd expect in court.

    In advertising specifically, tobacco and alcohol ads are already restricted. Indeed, a mandate of disclosures (and a requirement that advertising be true) are all allowable restrictions.

    And I say this as someone who will ardently defend the freedom of speech, even down to things one finds disgusting or shocking or distasteful. But speech when you're trying to sell something is different altogether. Speech when you're selling something that could have significant risks, ten times so. No constitutional amendment is required here.

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  55. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by WiiVault · · Score: 1

    I think you missed my point. I wasn't referring to OTC products.

  56. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Splab · · Score: 1

    Also listing symptoms will make some people think they have them.

  57. It's not the count of the characters by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not the count of the characters, but the content of their character that is the problem with big pharma.

    1. Re:It's not the count of the characters by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Drug companies aren't perfect. Neither is any other kind of company or organization, including government, because they are all run by people.

      But drug companies play a VITAL role in the longest-ever life expectancy you hope to enjoy! Sorry, but when I'm feeling down, it's the drug companies products in conjunction with knowledgeable doctors who will keep my sorry, hairy white ass alive. I can pray all I want, and that might help about as much as any other placebo, but it's the doctors and the drug companies who get results.

      Want me to buy your sarcasm about the drug companies? Get cancer and then NOT get chemo and take all them damned pills. Then I'll believe you. Until then, you are just a sorry whiner biting the hand that feeds your pampered Western ass.

      Drug companies already have so many chum-excited lawyers chasing them that they have a real tough time justifying any new drugs. Take a look - the number of new drugs available for treatment, especially for critical, life-saving drugs have been plummeting the last 10 or 20 years. People sue when some pill has a side effect when their life is on the line. They sue much less often when they have side effects while trying to make their boobs bigger.

      So guess what the drug companies produce? Boob enhancers, of course!

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    2. Re:It's not the count of the characters by erroneus · · Score: 1

      There is always a chance for people to do the right thing. Instead, the people habitually do the wrong thing. Worse, the big corporations managed to get it entered into U.S. law that they behave this way. (I speak of the law that requires corporate officers act in the best interests of the share holders... and what is in the best interests of the share holders? That's determined by more people...) This law allows them to do whatever they interpret as best without a conscience because they don't have to consider who they are hurting!

      Drug providers play a vital role. True. They play that role and then take advantage of it to the fullest extent possible. Recently one person was complaining that extremely sophisticated MP3 players can be acquired for under $100 while hearing aids cost over $1000. The reason? I think it is pretty obvious.

      In being a doctor, you are bound by the Hippocratic oath. In being a drug maker and seller, there is no such bond or requirement.

      And if there were any drug companies that did behave within human ethical behavior, they were swallowed up or destroyed by the unethical ones who have little trouble with the notion of letting nations of people suffer because they set the price too high or they hold a patent and set its price too high. Or worse, ethical companies were forced to compete with those which were not and became one of them. Whatever the case, it's easy to see how they got where they are and how they stay there. But the current status quo does not make them right or ethical in their behavior.

      One could argue that the drug companies, intent on owning and controlling too many patents enabling them to behave more as an abusive monopolist, has resulted in far too much risk to health and side effects problems... problems that have frequently been revealed to have been testable or even well known by researchers that were suppressed by these same drug makers. Want to keep the chum-excited lawyers off your ass? Operate a completely legitimate business and be able to prove it. But you are playing blame game which has little to do with one point that all humans, especially those in high positions in large drug companies, have -- the choice to do the right thing.

      When it comes to things like cancer, I have given it great thought. I will opt for surgery and pain killers unless an actual practical cure emerges. Until then, I try my best to prevent cancers by avoiding all known causes and as many potential causes as I can. I read the labels listing ingredients on all my foods. I haven't been sick in over 15 (and going on 20) years. I haven't needed big pharma in all that time and neither does anyone else who actually takes preventative care of themselves as much as individuals can manage. But the fact is, we all die of SOMETHING. If it's not sudden, then it's something slower. I'm pretty much at peace on the notion when it happens. The bogey-man of death is used far too often to instil fear in everyone. If it's not cancer, it's the fear of "God" and the judgement of in the afterlife or something else dealing with death.

      You seem quite enthusiastic about big pharma... or is that addiction and dear?

  58. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by crackspackle · · Score: 1

    If you ban all drug ads, then how do you educate the public that a particular syndrome is treatable?

    I thought the way it worked was that a patient develops some sort of disorder or symptoms that causes him to seek out a doctor who can make the actual diagnoses and determine the best course of treatment. Why would a patient necessarily need to know about new treatment options if they have a competent doctor that they see regularly? Shouldn't the doctor be the one to decide if a new treatment is right?

    The argument is that drug advertising often causes people to seek out unnecessary, expensive treatments, sometimes for conditions which they don't really have. Why do people to it? We probably all want to fix ourselves in some way, and what would be better than a magic pill or ointment? That's how snake oil salesmen got their start and the drug companies appear all to aware of this, churning out shiny new patented drugs that in only a few years are determined to be ineffective or worse.

  59. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Sick people in US (and only in US) are afraid to see doctors because they expect treatment to be unaffordable, ineffective or both. As a result, pharmaceutical companies believe, they NEED ads hawking their drugs, so after seeing the ad few thousand times a person will finally drag his ass to a hospital and annoy a doctor into prescribing something. Then hopefully that person won't throw a prescription into trash after learning how much it will cost.

    This is what happens when pharmaceutical price gouging and insurance companies' machinations reach their logical conclusion -- no one can afford anything. I see the next bailout coming in a few years to them.

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  60. Seeing the doctor PRN instead of Q6M by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why would a patient necessarily need to know about new treatment options if they have a competent doctor that they see regularly?

    In the United States, a lot of people see an MD as needed instead of regularly. This can happen because of lack or limitations of health insurance or just because a set of symptoms appear between regular visits.

  61. I recommend... by cafn8ed · · Score: 1

    As a disclaimer for twitter, I recommend appending "U may die." to the end of every ad. At least it's more adult-sounding than "Ur so ded."

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  62. Google Buzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't have this limit. ;)

  63. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Velex · · Score: 1

    If you ban all drug ads, then how do you educate the public that a particular syndrome is treatable?

    Don't they tell these things to their doctor?

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  64. Seeing a doctor isn't free. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Seeing a doctor isn't free. The help seeking ad tells the public that a particular set of complaints is something that would be worth a patient's time and money to tell about to a doctor.

    1. Re:Seeing a doctor isn't free. by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Which explains a lot about why the ads are necessary in the US I suppose. Because seeing a doctor ~is~ free in most other developed countries. (Well ok, to be pedantic, a slice of your tax money pays for it ... but you have to pay that anyway, sooo).

  65. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Cimexus · · Score: 1

    Interesting ... didn't know NZ allowed it too.

    My home is Australia but I've spent a decent amount of time in both the US (several years) and NZ (4 or 5 months). I don't remember seeing a single prescription drug ad in NZ, but in the US geez, there's one every ad break. I think there must be some serious limitations on the NZ version of the law allowing it ... either that or a cultural difference that just doesn't make it as worthwhile for the pharma companies.

  66. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

    As a condition of access to your health records doctors are prohibited from disclosing them. This has nothing to do with free speech. Restrictions against fraudulent advertising also have nothing to do with free speech. (Temperance laws against alcohol and cigarette advertising are certainly in violation, no matter how much they try to justify it as protecting the children, but all sorts of rights are thrown out in name of virtuousness.) Whether something is being sold is irrelevant, because every instance of speech can be interpreted as selling something, just like every advertisement can be seen as transmitting educational information.

    While I find any type of advertising revolting, in itself advertising is clearly protected as free speech, and the majority of the citizens want it that way as evidenced by their willingness to pay to view advertisements.

  67. I agree...don't use Twitter or SMS messaging... by hackel · · Score: 1

    ...until they both get their act together and allow for messages >160 characters. This is absolutely the most ridiculous restriction in the 21st century I have ever seen. 1120 bits per message? Seriously? It's like we're living in the 80s with 300 baud modems on our mobiles or something...so ridiculous! And the cost is even more outrageous. In the U.S. most companies charge 20 cents per message... That's $1497 per MiB! WTF is wrong with this picture?

    Google Buzz has vastly improved upon the Twitter concept, allowing attachments of images, links, etc. with no character limit. I really hope twitter will soon die the miserable death it deserves...

  68. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to actually support direct-to-consumer advertising, which I don't like, but: doctors are often unaware of available treatments and even diagnoses. And, of course, if they had the knowledge that you expect them to have, direct-to-consumer advertising wouldn't be a problem. A patient would ask for something, and they'd firmly tell them either 1) It's too dangerous and not effective, 2) There is this better/cheaper treatment available, or 3) That is exactly what I was going to prescribe anyway.

    It's the fact that doctors don't know (and generally know they don't know) about the latest and haven't/can't review the primary literature that patients coming in with requests get humored. They've never heard of "restless leg syndrome," but a patient with intense leg pain wasn't able to sleep through the night just with aspirin, they'll give the new drug a shot.

  69. Drug risks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are none - our benevolent pharma company overloards tells us so.

  70. news at 11... by hitmark · · Score: 1

    marketing keeps corporations alive, no matter what the are in business of doing.

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  71. Darwinian selection by Jawn98685 · · Score: 1

    Anyone who buys drugs, or more importantly, has selected a physician who can be convinced to prescribe said drugs, on the basis of what the drug company put up on a social networking site deserve's to be removed from the gene pool.

  72. "family hour"? by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

    My thoughts on why there's so much prescription drug abuse by the young is that they are bombarded by advertisements on TV.

    If your kids are watching TV (let alone the advertisements), then you are part of the problem.

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    1. Re:"family hour"? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      Yes, "family hour". There a few shows worth watching on TV with older children/teens. CSI, NCIS, Bones to name a few of the several "science related" shows (although, admittedly pretty far out there in relation to real science/investigation) that help spark an interest in knowledge and learning. These, somewhat intellectual (for TV) shows are chock full of Parma adds. And yes, children under 10 can and do enjoy these types of programs. Psych, Ghost Whisper, The Mentalist.. There are more than enough decent quality entertainment shows that can be watched with your children. Just don't plop down with them for hours on end every day and things will be fine.

      Sitting mindlessly in front of the TV from the moment you get home from work/school is a problem, but watching a few hours a week of good, quality (yes, there are a few) shows, is called entertainment, and is what TV time should be.

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  73. Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The plural of "medium" is "media." There is no word "mediums." Sorry.

  74. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by khallow · · Score: 1

    FIne lets take "human rights" away from corporations thou.

    Corporations are organizations composed of humans and owned by humans. We take away "human rights" from corporations, we're taking them away from those humans.

  75. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Cwix · · Score: 1

    That argument makes no sense. They have the human rights that everyone has. Why should they get extra human rights?

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  76. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I say this as someone who will ardently defend the freedom of speech, even down to things one finds disgusting or shocking or distasteful. But speech when you're trying to sell something is different altogether. Speech when you're selling something that could have significant risks, ten times so. No constitutional amendment is required here.

    Your bar for "ardently defend the freedom of speech" is really fucking low. This thread is a good example of how pro-censorship, pro (medical)patent, and pro state-licensing the slashdot crowd is. Freedom to tinker? Information wants to be free. "Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle..."? "fuck that TJ shit" the /crowd says!

  77. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by khallow · · Score: 1

    That argument makes no sense. They have the human rights that everyone has. Why should they get extra human rights?

    They don't get extra rights. You just say that they do.

  78. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Cwix · · Score: 1

    So if I own a business, I get my human rights, and I get to exercise the human rights of my corporation. That means I have VASTLY more rights then I normally would. Now lets say I'm an Arab oil shiek, and I own a company in the US. I now have the right to funnel all of my money to change the policy in the US. You want that? Honestly? If thats your position, then obviously you have issues, and I question your ability to comprehend what the repercussions of giving human rights to corporations are. They do call them human rights for a reason anyways.

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  79. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by alexkorban · · Score: 1

    I don't think prescription medicines can be advertised in New Zealand. At least I don't see ads for them on TV. It really amazed me to see all the pharmaceutical ads when I was in the US.

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  80. Yawn by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

    Ah, a smug foreigner. You're the only thing more common on slashdot than *nix discussions.
    I hate to be the one to break it to you, buddy, but your country's shit stinks, too.

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    1. Re:Yawn by Panoptes · · Score: 1
      "I hate to be the one to break it to you, buddy, but your country's shit stinks, too."

      I fully agree with you. That's why I left the wretched place eleven years ago, and haven't been back since. I do admit to feeling a little smug - but only for getting out of Blighty before the rot really set in.

  81. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Kalriath · · Score: 1

    Wrong. We don't allow prescription drug advertising (except for unsubsidised non-special authority ones, such as Losec for heartburn, and the two ED medications).

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  82. Everything can be twitterified! by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

    many were worried over how marketing mediums such as Twitter — which has a 140-character limit on text — can sufficiently disclose drug risks."

    Let's see...

    "Buy Viagra (NB: It's a drug; engage brain)" 42 characters.

    "Buy Viagra! It kills you in large doses." 40 characters.

    "Buy Viagra! But only if you need it." 36 characters.

    "Buy Viagra! Note: use with care." 32 characters.

    "Buy Viagra - use as intended." 29 characters.

    You were saying?

    Plus, I'm sure people aren't using stand-alone twitter messages to actually sell the products. They probably include links to web pages, which don't have size limits. Worrying about Twitter size limits and ability to not include lengthy warnings is like that Teletype manager-type guy who picked capital letters instead of lower-case letters because you can't spell 'God' right with only lower-case letters. Societal norms are bound to collide with technology when the technical limitations are seen oh good heavens I need coffee I started rambling again.

  83. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well thats just it, I had a doctor who had *a lot* of swag from a particular drug which she pushed very hard. Indeed I trusted her on it and it was a miserable experience.

  84. Re:Sure, let's solve those disclosure requirements by khallow · · Score: 1

    So if I own a business, I get my human rights, and I get to exercise the human rights of my corporation. That means I have VASTLY more rights then I normally would.

    No, it doesn't. First, you are merely exercising your human rights. Second, suppose my first assertion were incorrect. Even in that case, anyone can create and use a corporation, enjoying whatever rights there might be. So there's no restriction of rights or special rights reserved for certain people.

  85. Easy solution: prevent marketing altogether. by Ustice · · Score: 1

    EASY solution. Make it illegal to market prescription medication to consumers. Patients should not be going to their doctors asking for drugs. Doctors should be making diagnoses, and prescribing the appropriate drug for the patient's condition. It's dishonest and dangerous.

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