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Microsoft Employees Love Their iPhones

portscan writes "There is an entertaining and telling article in the Wall Street Journal about iPhone use by Microsoft employees. Apparently, despite it being frowned upon by senior management, iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file. The head of Microsoft's mobile division tried to explain it away as employees wanting 'to better understand the competition,' although few believe this. Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft's tech-savvy workforce than the company's own products."

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  1. I loves and hateses my Preciousss by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a love/hate relationship with my iPhone. My preciousss. It's pretty and seductive, but it locks me out of stuff. For just about everything, there's an app for that, except for when Apple pulled it. It can do just about everything, but not when Apple or AT&T says it can't, like tethering. But for all it makes me crazy, I still can't seem to pause in the middle of the day without pulling it from its holster and stroking its sleek, responsive, beautiful face for a few minutes.

    Damn this stupid phone. I really should throw it back into the depths of Cupertino from whence it came, but you'd probably have to gnaw my hand off to get me to drop it.

    --
    John
    1. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, Apple supports tethering in the iPhone, but AT&T requires them to disallow you from using it. It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently. It raises the question in my mind: how much of the iPhone lock-down (only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything, and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&T for preventing certain kinds of apps.

      Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.

    2. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, you're the product they're selling to AT&T. Or didn't you get the memo?

    3. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't use a lot of apps (or games) - but the ability to choose e.g. between several different weather-apps is very comforting.

      All of them are deficient: None lets you set the weather.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    4. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's one thing for them to provide a store/repository of known-good software. It's another to prevent you from going outside of that store if you choose to.

    5. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have no problem with them offering the iTunes App store, and in fact think that the cut they take doesn't seem too high.

      But what if I want a native app for Google Voice? What if I want Google Voice to essentially replace my Voicemail and SMS buttons with a Google version that lets me use SMS for free? What if I want to use Opera on my iPhone? They're developing an application, but it will most likely be rejected. What if I want to alter my home screen? (e.g. Winterboard) Apple won't let me run those applications, even though they've been developed.

      And what of all the developers who won't bother to even write an application because they're dreading the possibility of being rejected and having all their work being useless?

      I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store. I just think we'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple didn't keep such an iron fist over distribution.

    6. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by Pootie+Tang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe I don't follow this well enough to know, but I don't think Apple is doing an audit, much less line-by-line. Seems to me they just react after the fact. From what I understand they recently pulled some apps related to wifi for using undocumented APIs. If they pulled it after they fact they didn't audit the source in the first place, not even using some automated tool on the binary.

      I don't have an iphone, just an ipod touch. But I don't get the impression they strictly control the app-store. They certainly impose their own restrictions, but I don't feel like it's for my benefit so I only get quality apps.

    7. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by rainer_d · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Apple should have a right to keep their store the way they want, and reject any app the want.

      On the other hand, I should have a right to run any program I want on my hardware.

      I agree. But all the spam that I get and that we as an ISP have to fend-off or process is from the 99.9999% of morons in front of a PC that think exactly the same and download and install any crap-trojan that comes their way and poses as a screensaver or fake anti-virus.
      At least, we don't get spam from iPhones. That alone makes Apple's decision worth the hassle!

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      Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
    8. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by Eil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The app store is a hobby programmer's greatest dream. Apple makes everything nice & easy for the hobby programmer,

      Completely agree. Nice and easy. Unless you:

      * don't have an extra $100/yr to spend on a membership fee
      * don't have a Mac
      * want to write apps that do a better job than Apple's built-in apps
      * want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background
      * want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media
      * want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter
      * want to write free (as in speech) software

      But other than that, yeah, a hobby programmer's dream.

    9. Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, because they should have gone with the good US cell carrier. Man, that carrier does a great job. They haven't ever tried to hobble the phones that they offer, haven't tried to impede VoIP use on their data network, and haven't tried to keep users from tethering their laptop to their phones. You know, the US carrier that provides great coverage, fast data speeds, and good service at cheap prices without any restrictions on how you use their service...?

      Which carrier is that, again?

  2. Victory against monoculture by HumanEmulator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office. Or Microsoft employees search with Google. Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use? Did it benefit Microsoft to switch Hotmail to MS IIS before IIS was ready to handle a site of that scale? This isn't a failure for Microsoft's phone efforts as much as it is a victory against Microsoft's mono-culture mindset.

  3. Obsessesion by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Apple culture is about obsession. This goes from creation to use. Despite any flaws the iPhone it has, it feels likes someone actually thought how non-engineers would use it. This is an important factor IMHO, because even with the 'wow' factor, a device will only work if people can find it usable. Too many gadgets, IMHO, are designed by engineers and almost feel like the primary user was an engineer. To many people the "it just works" element is as important as any of the features that the device it may include.

    There are other companies who have understood the people factor, but all to often it doesn't feel like it is running through the veins of the companies.

    Looking at Microsoft, I feel that they are confused about what it means be user friendly. There are elements of the company who seem to get it, while there are other parts that thinks bells and whistles are what user friendly is about. For me being user friendly is something a little complex, it is that right balance of simplicity and richness of functionality. Hiding features or dumbing down an application is not going to magically solve the problem, if the humans factor is forgotten in the process.

    The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&D than Microsoft, yet whether it is through focused R&D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better. Maybe there is something to be said of having a company run by a guy who is so obsessive that his passion captivates people, rather than alienating them - yes, I am insinuating that Balmer's passion at developer conferences is more an after thought than something that drives the company in a cohesive way.

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    Jumpstart the tartan drive.
  4. Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant by melted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside. You're not required to drink the kool-aid, and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned upon. Almost everyone (at least in Redmond) uses Google for search, for instance. A lot of smartphone users use iPhone. Some use Android even (even though corp discounts obviously don't apply to either iPhone or Android plans or phones). It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X, even though the corp network doesn't really support it. I haven't seen any Linux use on laptops, but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.

    There are folks who proudly drink the Kool-Aid, and refuse to use anything non-Microsoft, of course, but they're in minority.

    Having worked elsewhere after Microsoft, I've gained a lot of respect for this aspect of Microsoft corporate culture that I had taken for granted. I think at least someone at Microsoft understands that Microsoft has a lot to learn from the rest of the world, and corporate inbreeding is its worst possible enemy.

  5. Re:Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolera by melted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I contend that for your average ACPI non-expert (99.999% of the population), it seems to be the other way around. I don't care who's wrong, I just want to my laptop to fucking wake up when I open the lid, like it does in Mac OS X and Windows.