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I Want My GTV

theodp writes "The NY Times reports that Google and Intel have teamed with Sony to develop a platform called Google TV to bring the Web into the living room through a new generation of TVs and set-top boxes. The three companies have tapped Logitech for peripheral devices, including a remote with a tiny keyboard. Based on Google's Android operating system, the TV technology runs on Intel's Atom chips. Google is expected to deliver a toolkit to outside programmers within the next couple of months, and products based on the software could appear as soon as this summer."

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  1. GTV on PS3? by blankoboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So does this mean we'll be seeing GTV coming to PS3? No, of course not, SONY will want to sell us another set top box for extra $$$ and we'll want to work extra hard to pay for it too!

    1. Re:GTV on PS3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Intel just wants to sell chips, google wants to sell ads, and sony wants to rent movies from their existing store, but who actually has an interest in the device itself? It sounds to me like the companies involved only care how they can leverage the device, not making it something that consumers actually want

    2. Re:GTV on PS3? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is real convergence. A PC that is also a TV. I want that. I don't know if this is going to be the perfect expression of that, but if they can build a set-top box for $50 (and that sounds like it could be coming soon) I'd pick one up in a heartbeat.

    3. Re:GTV on PS3? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it's another case of Sony (Hardware) vs Sony (Entertainment).

    4. Re:GTV on PS3? by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another one? I already have six. Roku player (Netflix, Amazon), Vudu player (Bought before I got Netflix and the box, waste of money), DVR/Cable Box, D-link media lounge (also a waste of money, but streams video from my computer to the living room reasonably well), Wii, Netbook . . . Every damn one of them duplicates the same essential functionality, most run Linux variants, and all could be easily combined into a single device that does it all (this is happening with newer TVs and BluRay players).

      Screw it. I refuse to buy another damn box to plug in to my TV unless it actually consolidates functions.

  2. Oh great, Sony by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Sony's consistent behavior in the past is any indication, it will be encrypted, region-locked, proprietary, and it will only work with some weird storage or media type that only Sony makes. It will also require you to install a rootkit on your TV and let them search all your media files for pirated songs and movies before you can use it. And you'll have to submit a DNA sample and retina scan to buy one, of course.

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    1. Re:Oh great, Sony by rotide · · Score: 2

      Was going to post something just like this. It was good news until I read "SONY". I make it a point to not support their business and now...

      ugg...

    2. Re:Oh great, Sony by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But it has Google as partner. I can make fun of Google Not Evil(tm) all I want. But if that company is willing to walk away from China, instead of compromising, I figure it is going to be Sony's arm that is going to be twisted, and not the other way around. Further, I think at some point, even the dumbest of the dumbos finally get the message and it is well past time Sony got the message. Betamax, memory stick, rootkits etc are futile battles to fight, leading to at best, Pyrrhic victories.

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    3. Re:Oh great, Sony by cbope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      2005 called and wants it's memory back.

      You do realize that Sony has been moving _away_ from proprietary formats for the last couple years? Honestly, Sony bashing on /. has become almost as much of an art as Apple and MS bashing.

    4. Re:Oh great, Sony by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That must be why they developed blu-ray with TWO levels of encryption and region-locking, because they're moving to be more open.

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    5. Re:Oh great, Sony by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, perhaps that Google is big enough to change Sony's ways (at least in this particular product)..? With Google's resources, Sony needs Google a lot more than Google needs Sony (Imagine how many hardware manufacturers would jump at an exclusive right to make hardware for a GTV style product)... I like the fact that Google's "spreading the wealth" by not sticking exclusively to one hardware company (HTC) for all their physical products. Sure, Sony has made some dumb decisions in the past (and for some dumb is putting it nice), but what remains to be seen is if Google and Sony can play nice together. I wonder if there is a side to this deal that we're not seeing? Like Google exchanging this contract for rights to Sony's media collection at a bottom basement price for a music store? Or perhaps for patent rights? Or perhaps for something I can't even think of...

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    6. Re:Oh great, Sony by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well... it's willing to walk away from China rather than being hacked.

    7. Re:Oh great, Sony by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      It depends on exactly which business unit within Sony they are teaming up with.

      I recently broke down and bought a PS3 for two reasons: Blu-Ray, and Final Fantasy XIII. I made some interesting discoveries:
      1) Compatible with any USB storage device. Compare to "no third party" locking of Xbox360 proprietary memory. (Wii uses SDHC I think?)
      2) You don't have to buy an Eye Toy for the camera. Supposedly any UVC compliant USB camera will work.
      3) Same for USB headsets
      4) Same for Bluetooth headsets
      5) Same for keyboards/mice for browsing and chat
      6) Want a bigger hard drive? Put in any 2.5" SATA drive
      7) Media playback is UPnP based and supports quite a few formats (MKV being the most notable exception). I can use the PS3 as a MythTV frontend!

      That said, TFA talks about Hulu. Knowing Hulu, they will actively take measures to block out this new effort. See their intentional blocking of the PS3 as an example. (Now to view Hulu video on PS3, you need PlayOn or rtmpdump 2.x + ffmpeg + MediaTomb).

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    8. Re:Oh great, Sony by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But if that company is willing to walk away from China, instead of compromising

      Let's wait until they actually do walk away from China before making grandiose claims about them walking away from China, k?

    9. Re:Oh great, Sony by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well sony is going to disable HD on component out for ALL bluray players in a year or so anyways.

      No encrypted content will go out of a Bluray player if it is not protected from the scumbag consumer by the precious HDCP.

      It's why I wont be buying a newer Bluray player and my current is for sale on ebay. I'll just rip the disks and bypass all their BS. Bluray -> mpeg4 and played on a XBMC dedicated box looks wonderful and you dont have any of the crap. ripbot264 + anyDVDHD so far has ripped any Bluray I have bought without problems.

      Done believe me? http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2849

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    10. Re:Oh great, Sony by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2

      You do realize that Sony has been moving _away_ from proprietary formats for the last couple years? Honestly, Sony bashing on /. has become almost as much of an art as Apple and MS bashing.

      So when they introduced the new PSP which requires you to utilize a singular SONY site as a gateway to acquire your games, that wasn't a move to push for more proprietary control?

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    11. Re:Oh great, Sony by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, Hulu is known to block anyone who attempts to display Hulu on a television (as opposed to a PC monitor).

      Yes, the distinction is blurry, but it had nothing to do with MS. Hulu has a long history of blocking anyone who implements a "set top box" method of accessing Hulu.

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    12. Re:Oh great, Sony by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Net Neutrality applies to service providers delivering content, not the content providers themselves.

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    13. Re:Oh great, Sony by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hulu only blocked PS3 soon after they singed a deal with Microsoft...

      I believe that's called Collusion in legal terms, and highly illegal in both the US and Euope. But of course it's Microsoft, so US enforcers turn a blind eye and have some nice donations...

      No, it's a called a marketing agreement. Exclusive marketing agreements aren't illegal; collusion is working in concert to exert market power in order to raise prices in concert. Hulu/ MS agreements don't do this; as they aren't able to impact prices given the competition in the mrketplace.

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    14. Re:Oh great, Sony by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's because MSN was blocking competitors to one of their products.

      Hulu, on the other hand, doesn't seem to offer any "set-top-box" solutions currently, and has consistently blocked anything from the "set-top-box" category whenever possible.

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    15. Re:Oh great, Sony by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With Google's resources, Sony needs Google a lot more than Google needs Sony (Imagine how many hardware manufacturers would jump at an exclusive right to make hardware for a GTV style product)...

      Well, a lot of them, but what you're missing is that very few of those hardware companies are also major content producers, holding title to thousands of movies and dozens of ongoing TV shows. Building a set top box that streams content over the internet is not trivial, except in comparison to the task of getting content providers to license their shows in an affordable and not completely useless and annoying way.

  3. Internet on TV? Really? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're seriously doing this again? Aside from video services like YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, etc, haven't we learned that Internet on our TV is kind of...lame? Most of us have at least one computer nowadays, and many people have at least a netbook or laptop if they don't have a desktop computer. Internet + TV just seems like a waste of time and money...would anyone be interested in what they are offering here?

  4. Re:Internet on TV? Really? by elhondo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Think of it as having an Apple TV or Popcorn Hour device embedded in your TV and I think you'll see there's something of a market there. In addition to TV, you get Hulu, YouTube, Pandora (maybe), and the ability to play recorded media from either a local hard drive or an hdna server. I have a Popcorn hour that I use to stream Hulu and Netflix to (via PlayOn), when watching on my living room TV. It's pretty handy.

  5. Re:Internet on TV? Really? by Mashdar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have an HTPC and watch internet television services (hulu and netflix, primarily) all the time. The HTPC will never penetrate the my-mother market (too much setup, cost), so a set top box which functions in such a way has great potential. Oh, and don't say the Wii already provides this functionality: my mother does not have one of those, either :)

  6. Re:everywhere by nycguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    And who still thinks Google's fingers aren't everywhere? This will be just another datamining source.

    I've been a beta-tester for the "Google toilet", and let me tell you, friend: You don't know the half of it!

  7. I don't get it by doti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not a computer with tv reception already?

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  8. Yes, really by RingDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a 48" big screen TV.

    I do not have Cable
    I do not have Satellite/Dish/DirectTV
    I do not have a DVD player
    I do not have decent OTA reception

    I do have DSL
    I do have Netflix
    I do have Boxee

    Pretty much the only thing that happens on my TV is the Internet. Now if the folks behind Boxee could improve the playback performance I would use nothing else. But as is I still jump out to a web browser for most Hulu content.

    -Rick

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  9. Re:Internet on TV? Really? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article is talking about "Internet on TV" in the sense of accessing webpages or applications on a TV, which for the most part doesn't seem to be taking off anytime soon.

    Things like Hulu are "TV on Internet" - so putting that on a TV is "TV (on Internet) on TV", so it's hardly surprising that that might have more of a market. It's pretty obvious that TV via the Internet ought to win long term, and there's a market for a TV/box that makes this easy for the living room TV, rather than just watching it on a web browser on a computer. (Similar to how hard disk recording first appeared on computers, but now it's commonplace on cable/satellite set-top boxes as standard, which makes it much easier for most people.) Perhaps this is Google's end intention, and things like browsing the web or running applications are an added bonus.

  10. Re:everywhere by HamburglerJones · · Score: 4, Funny

    At first I had privacy concerns with my Google Toilet, but it has so many great features that I came up with a plan: for every one time I actually use the toilet, nine other times I'll flush down a goldfish or some coffee grinds. Knock it if you must, but security through obscurity works!

  11. Re:ASIDE from Youtube and Hulu?! by Pojut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You haven't watched any HD content from Netflix or Youtube, have you?

  12. MS v GOOG by coaxial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And when Microsoft wanted to do this, everyone cried foul. Now that Google wants to do this, it must be good, because they're not Evil(tm).

    No thank you. I want a future not dominated by one company bent on tracking and selling me.