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Filming For The Hobbit Begins In July
krou writes "Sir Ian McKellen has revealed that filming for The Hobbit and its sequel is scheduled to begin in July, and will take approximately a year to complete. Casting is now 'taking place in LA, London and New York,' and [director Guillermo] Del Toro is already 'living in Wellington, close to the Jacksons and the studio in Miramar.' Apparently the script is still being worked on, and 'the first draft is crammed with old and new friends, again on a quest in Middle-earth.' The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an original story not written by Tolkien, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings."
I have visions of furries lined up for the audition.
"The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."
Thanks but no thanks.
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Oh jeez, MORE walking?!?!?
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I commented on the post in the Firehose after I submitted it, but the summary should've said "... is scheduled to begin in July ..." instead of June.
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The sequel will feature a new dragon, named Aesydrayne, and a battle involving six armies, and a ring that makes you completely odorless.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Oh joy, another visually stunning film with a disjointed script, mixing Tolkien's brilliant timeless dialog with flat modern drivel penned by Fran Walsh. And the sequel... that's just going to be visually stunning with drivel for plot and dialog.
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't screw up the plot and dialog so badly. Ugh.
... like Jar Jar Binksarrim of the water people. And Elrond will have an affair with Galadriel. That's right, as soon as we fully Americanize this story, we will have a real winner here, folks.
Imagine buying the White Album and finding Green Day tracks spliced in to 'fill in' what The Beatles meant to do.
I don't think I'll see either of them out of principle.
... like Jar Jar Binksarrim of the water people. And Elrond will have an affair with Galadriel. That's right, as soon as we fully Americanize this story, we will have a real winner here, folks.
Sorry, that was only the first draft. Now, Bilbo is a time-traveling immortal who joins with a hip new Gandalf to save Middle-Earth's ozone layer.
Then, they break dance!
The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an original story not written by Tolkien, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."
A sequel NOT written by Tolkien? Ew. How about instead another prequel taken from The Silmarillion? That would be full of awesome, almost guaranteed to win several internets.
I'm in favor of the sequel. In all due reverence to Tolkien, there are other authors on this planet who have done well with fantasy works. In fact every single work of modern fantasy is derivative from Tolkien's works, and if you've ever enjoyed any of them, there's a distinct risk you'll enjoy this, too.
What's more, since you haven't read this particular book, you're probably less likely to be underwhelmed by it. You can't compare the dialog to a book which doesn't exist.
Finally, I think it absolutely vital for fantasy, and all fiction everywhere, to move beyond reverence for certain works. Somehow humanity managed to move beyond Shakespeare, creating new-ish works which we prefer to his, and I believe we can move beyond Tolkien. I also feel that making a new work in that same setting can be a catalyst for that evolution.
I'm also a strong proponent of 'Lucas' Law' wherein we can democratically remove an author's control over a project if they cease to contribute to society. Introduce one too many Jar-Jar-Binks-types and the people put a referendum on the ballot to put your work into the public domain...
Tolkien's work should be eligible for this transition as well, because nothing new is coming out of it. Or nothing was, until this sequel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silmarillion
duh
it will be hard to nail tolkien's tone in a made up "middle movie". even if it isn't "studio committee of frat boys"ed to death, lotr fundamentalist fanboys will eviscerate it. they can deal with no tom bombadil, since its a story line that's so out of touch with the rest of lotr that it can safely be surgically removed, but whatever they do with the rumored necromancer plotline for this "middle movie" they better be damn respectful to the world of lotr:
http://www.storyscape.net/hobbit_necromancer.html
as an aside, i always thought a good jumping off point for lotr fanfiction/ hollywood exploitation would be an examination of the blue wizards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Wizards
so little is sketched by tolkien of them and the world to the east of mordor they went too, that it could make for some great lotr-type stories without stepping on any middle earth toes or the fanboys who guard the mythology's continuity
it could have an east asian or russian mythology theme, keeping in touch with all those maps that overlay mordor with either germany, transylvania, or the middle east
and maybe we would get more oliphants! ;-P
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Well, I read *The Hobbit* to my son when he was in 2nd grade. After I read the last word on the last page, the instant I set the book down he said, "Can we read *The Hobbit 2* next?"
Poor kid. That's just how I feel.
*The Hobbit* is greatly underestimated by even Tolkien fans, who pooh-pooh it because it's not LotR. The tone of the story is a bit condescending at first, something that Tolkien himself expressed dissatisfaction with in later years, but as in LotR there's a lot going on under the surface of *The Hobbit*. It's a story well worth serious study. Achieving that in story so readable and enjoyable on a superficial level is a tremendous achievement.
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Tolkien wrote dialogue? I thought his books were fantasy travelogues: descriptions of places, leaving places, walking through places, and arriving at other places. I don't remember much in the way of dialogue. I just remember lots of walking. Oh, and maybe a few spiders and a dragon or something.
You see, in order to have 'brilliant timeless dialogue' your characters have to have interesting motivations. The Hobbit was a classic adventure story, which quite simply does not lend itself to interesting motivations or dialogue. The only relevant motivation in an adventure story is "We've got to achieve The Thing!" and the dialogue boils down to"Have we achieved The Thing? No? How do we achieve The Thing? Ah, we need to (go somewhere/get something/kill someone/help someone/destroy something). Let's do that now!" repeated until the answer to the first question is "Yes! We have achieved The Thing!"
The Hobbit, and Tolkien's other works are nice stories, and amazing for their time, but don't try to make them into something they aren't. "Visually stunning" was exactly what Tolkien was going for, otherwise the books wouldn't read like a travelogue.
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Gandalf tells Bilbo he hasn't aged a day. He's celebrating his 111th birthday in the first movie.
And in the flashback, where Bilbo finds the ring, obviously Ian Holm looked pretty much the same as he did in Fellowship.
They should have made The Hobbit with Ian Holm a few years ago. Or at least scanned him in so we could AVATAR his performance into the movie, if the need arose.
Now, we'll have a movie with a different Bilbo, an older Aragorn, an older Gandalf... even an older Elrond.
...and create something new, genius. Something that would require a little more effort, something that would have a little more risk because it lacked an installed fan base. Something without a fuckin' elf.
I love the book, but I don't think it's a good idea for someone else to try making a sequel.
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Also, Galadriel isn't the same kind of elf as the ones in The Hobbit, if I remember correctly. They are the elves who remained in Middle-Earth instead of going to Valinor, Galadriel is part of the gang that went to Valinor and came back to Middle-Earth later.
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I'm agnostic on that.
Drama is not a medium Tolkien wrote for, so we can expect The Hobbit, like the LotR film trilogy, to be largely paraphrase. The Hobbit film will be a different story set in the same world, more or less following the events of the novel.
That said,the vast world Tolkien created practically begs for more stories to be written in that setting. It's a shame that copyright prevents this. Little of what would be written would do it justice, but it's not like there's a lack of writing genius in the world. Neil Gaiman could do wonderful things with that world. It wouldn't be Tolkien of course, but it would definitely have echoes. Gaiman is one of the most unpretentiously erudite writers I can think of.
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From theonering.net
1.2. What will be included in the two movies? According to the Empire Online interview with PJ and GDT (link above), the two movies will include all of the iconic moments in the book, The Hobbit, as well as being expanded to follow other events that occur ‘offstage.’ This includes the White Council and Gandalf’s comings and goings to Dol Guldur. Pj: “We expanded out the universe a lot more so that we weren’t just staying with Bilbo and the Dwarves on their journey, as the book pretty much does. We started to expand some of what’s happening to Gandalf outside of that journey.” Things we know are included so far: - backstory of Thrain, Thorin’s father - Beorn - Spiders - The White Council - Gandalf’s journeys to Dol Guldur - The three trolls (Tom, Bert, William) - Sauron ( including some of his history)
Can we get Tim Burton to direct, and make it a franchise reboot?
I can see it now: the hobbits living in an advanced society not unlike 21st century Europe undergo a genetic mutation as the result of exposure to radioactive volcanic ash. One of the hobbits becomes Lord Sauron, who proceeds to rise up and conquer the lands, forming an oppressive kingdom where he removes and monopolizes all modern technology. Society within that first generation regresses to a 10th-century-style existence. Meanwhile, Lieutenant Starbuck, an astronaut who crashed on some faraway planet, helped the hobbits form a rag tag resistance group comprised of wookies, psychlo, and griffins, stumble across a cache of F-35 Lightning fighters, and although they have never seen so much as a flashlight or even matches, over the course of two weeks, become expert fighter pilots. Did I mention these F-35 Lightnings were not what they appeared, but are actually transformers, and in the bunker-style hangar they came across, there was a large semi. Well, the transformers were remaining covert to try to learn what all these strange creatures were up to since the creatures showed a barely perceptible spark of conscious thought. Optimus Prime took pity and he and his brothers revealed their true nature to the rag tag team. They agree to help the hobbits, psychlo, wookies, and griffins wage war to overthrow Sauron. The battle was quick and decisive.
Now for the Tim Burton twist ending: Glinda, the good witch told Lieutenant Starbuck "sorry man, but you have to go home now. I'll service you first." She gives him a BJ and tells him all he needs to do is to play the hokey pokey then he will be swiftly transported home. He does the hokey pokey, except he put is left foot in when he should have put in his right foot, so he landed in a parallel universe where the Earth is now ruled by giant tarantulas.
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I think the siege of Gondolin out of the Silmarillion would make a hell of a movie, as would the part where Morgoth & Ungoliant destroy the trees. Man, I need a life. I also agree that, given the right writing, the sequel they're planning could be decent.
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I would like to second the idea of movies being created based on tales from The Silmarillion. There was a lot of cool stuff in there.
I have a bad feeling about this...
The sequel won't be too bad. The Red Dragon will have turned out to have cast a dead man's hand spell on himself, and it will yank a soul to re-power his body and return him to life. The soul will be a US Marine from Iraq, and the dragon will add his knowledge to his own, creating massive machine guns and basically flying around machine-gunning "the 5 armies", regardless of their orientation.
Later, the dragon will get ahold of the ring from Bilbo, and his own massive willpower will vie with Sauron for control. Eventually, a group lead by Bilbo, containing Gollum, will recover the ring right as the marine fights back for control of the dragon's mind. It's a hopeless effort, but stuns the dragon just briefly that they can pry the ring off using Sting.
Gollum, of course, then turns on Bilbo and tries to get it back, but the spirit of Thor Oakenshield or whoever croaked in Hobbit 1, I forget, intercedes and Bilbo escapes with the ring.
Epilogue decades later, when an older but not yet old Bilbo is present at the birth of his nephew, who "might be named Dodo, or maybe Frodo, I like that name!" Cut to Sauron's area, where he's starting to build up an orc army, and negotiating with Saruman, while a middle-aged but youngish looking Grand Moff Tarken stands by as the massive tower with the eye is under construction.
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But, knowing Hollywood, they'll just pretty much redo the same story (without any of the depth), but younger and sexier with more action and lots of stuff blowing up.
Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'sm in a stew.
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I've read Lord Of The Rings a total of five times during my life (with a 6th read planned for soon), I've listen to the BBC audio adaptation several times and I played D&D and Advanced D&D for many years.
I saw the LOTR movies once at the cinema & own the Special Edition movies which I've watched a few times - I'll even confess to shedding a quick tear when Boromir died (despite knowing it would happen) in Fellowship, when the Ents started moving in Towers, and when Bilbo and Sam were up on Mount Doom in Return.
I don't care that the films were not completely accurate to the books, they were a great adaptation that I thoroughly enjoyed & that were hopefully easy enough on the general populace to hopefully have made them realise that fantasy tales don't all start & end with Harry Potter.
Therefore I've decided that at 48 years of age, it's possible to care deeply about something you enjoy but that it's time to stop being too nerdy about stuff - after all, it's *JUST* entertainment, enjoy it & feel a bit happier about things in general, or don't enjoy it & go find something you do enjoy.
As a Star Trek fan, I was appalled 10 years ago when they started talking about a prequel movie or series to the original series, but I actually quite enjoyed Enterprise (as good as DS9 and better than Voyager) and thoroughly enjoyed the complete reboot of the franchise in the latest movie... bugger timelines, bugger proper adaptations, all that matters is whether or not I enjoyed it.
Sorry, kiddies, but when you get to my age a whole lot of stuff that used to seem really important now just gets in the way of you enjoying stuff that little bit more - so don't worry, you'll grow out of it...
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I'll third that, it'll save me the agony of reading The Silmarillion