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Piezo Crystals Harness Sound To Generate Hydrogen

MikeChino writes "Scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have discovered that a mix of zinc oxide crystals, water, and noise pollution can efficiently produce hydrogen without the need for a dirty catalyst like oil. To generate the clean hydrogen, researchers produced a new type of zinc oxide crystals that absorb vibrations when placed in water. The vibrations cause the crystals to develop areas with strong positive and negative charges — a reaction that rips the surrounding water molecules and releases hydrogen and oxygen. The mechanism, dubbed the piezoelectrochemical effect, converts 18% of energy from vibrations into hydrogen gas (compared to 10% from conventional piezoelectric materials), and since any vibration can produce the effect, the system could one day be used to generate power from anything that produces noise — cars whizzing by on the highway, crashing waves in the ocean, or planes landing at an airport."

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  1. This SOUNDS Like A Breakthrough! by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

    But can it produce enough electricity to power a small radio that plays the music used to create the vibrations necessary to produce the electricity?

    1. Re:This SOUNDS Like A Breakthrough! by sackvillian · · Score: 5, Informative

      But can it produce enough electricity to power a small radio that plays the music used to create the vibrations necessary to produce the electricity?

      No.

      Sincerely yours,

      The Second Law of Thermodynamics

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    2. Re:This SOUNDS Like A Breakthrough! by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Funny

      No.

      Sincerely yours,

      The Second Law of Thermodynamics

      But isn't the First Law of Thermodynamics to never talk about the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

    3. Re:This SOUNDS Like A Breakthrough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your absolutely right, you're just getting bogged down with the pedantic ramblings of the Slashdot crowd.

      They're joking and arguing about a perpetual motion machine, nothing to do with reality...

    4. Re:This SOUNDS Like A Breakthrough! by MadKeithV · · Score: 3, Funny

      Typical for you Americans, always assuming the rest of world has the same Laws of Thermodynamics.

    5. Re:This SOUNDS Like A Breakthrough! by thhamm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, because in Soviet Russia, Laws of Thermodynamics violate YOU!

  2. But Mom... by voss · · Score: 4, Funny

    "If we dont play it at full volume we wont be able to save the enviroment!" ;-)

  3. Thermodynamics by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It sounds (no pun intended) like this material would have to absorb energy from the sound wave. I wonder how well it would work as an acoustic barrier bordering a highway. It'd be refilled by rain, powered by noise, and it might just block the sound better than those lovely concrete walls we have now.

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    1. Re:Thermodynamics by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

          The #1 problem here would be.....

          If you had an infrastructure where highway barriers were full of water, generating a perfectly combustion mixture (like, not just good, but perfect) flowing into pipes, which would (obviously) need to be somewhere close to the road. If they are elevated, they run a risk of contact with a vehicle, or flames from an accident. I've seen bridges melt from accidents under them. Below the road, the gases rising create an extreme explosion hazard at ground level. One cigarette butt thrown out a window, and you could have an entire highway explode.

          Anywhere around a highway is a potential heavy impact and fire hazard. If you watch the news, you'll see the "freak" accidents where cars leave the road and end up in houses or other buildings, or burst into flames for various reasons. Anyone who's worked for a while as in the emergency response industry (police, fire, paramedics) have seen vehicles on their roof. Thousands of pounds of pressure may break a pesky hydrogen pipeline.

          I'm not against it though, it sounds like an interesting idea, although not a solution. If cars were powered by hydrogen instead of gasoline, and the noise on highways produced hydrogen to power them, the evil laws of thermodynamics jump in and say "don't get your hopes up."

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    2. Re:Thermodynamics by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Before you start throwing around the fud, maybe you should check a few pesky facts. Lets start with current cars. Pretty much 4 wheels a cabin, an engine and big ass tank of flammable liquid with a low ignition point and a high explosive rating due to vapors. It's fuel air mixture is also fairly wide. To compare, we have hydrogen gas... Which has a narrow fuel air mix, a high ignition point, and which is lighter than air. So now we imagine a freeway with a wall on either side. The wall is an aquarium with crystals and a piping system to extract the hydrogen into the grid. Now, your car, which is a finely tuned BOMB ruptures the wall, breaking the aquarium and the gas lines. What happens? The water pours out, probably retarding any fire your car started, and the hydrogen goes straight up and dissipates harmlessly. Most likely, you never had a fuel air mix capable of igniting the hydrogen.

      Liquid fuel used in automobiles is about as volatile as anything gets (at least in public spaces). Ng, Hydrogen and other compressed gasses are considerably safer. They dissipate quickly, require fairly small windows for ignition, and most of them require significantly more spark to fire up in the first place.

    3. Re:Thermodynamics by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 5, Informative

      hydrogen gas... Which has a narrow fuel air mix

      I don't think so.

      Flammability Concentration Limits
      Hydrogen 4% to 75%
      Gasoline 1.4% to 7.6%

      The auto-ignition temperature is indeed higher for hydrogen, 500 Celsius compared to 280 for gasoline. I had not known that.

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  4. Car Troubles... by cobryce · · Score: 5, Funny

    The next time you see someone screaming at their car on the side of the road, they might just be fueling up ;)

  5. Too little energy? by RobinEggs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could be wrong, but I thought sound waves moving through air carried a surprisingly small amount of energy. When it comes with tangible vibrations, waves so strong they pulsed through the ground and other solids to reach you, the net effect might create significant amounts of energy, but just loud noises probably wouldn't give you much in the energy department, especially at 18% yield.

  6. Re:Cost Effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's cheap, can it be incorporated into bedsprings?

  7. Wall linings by Trogre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If these can be manufactured cheaply enough, I imagine boards of this being made and marketed by Gib for any place where you want soundproofing or a room with 'dead' acoustics.

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  8. Whats the real efficiency... by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Compared to normal electrolysis of water?

    1. Re:Whats the real efficiency... by crazybit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In this discovery they use sound waves to get hydrogen (which you can later use to make electricity or move cars). Sound waves are being generated all over nature as a natural left over of different processes. On the other hand electrolysis requires electricity, which has a cost in our modern economy.

      You should measure not only the efficiency, but the total cost of energy generation.

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  9. Re:Cost Effective? by tms827 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's cheap, can it be incorporated into bedsprings?

    I get the feeling that it would be of extremely limited use to the /. community if it were

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  10. This weeks Green Energy Hype by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So this was the best Slashdot could come up with for this weeks Green Energy Hype of the Week? Guess it was a slow week because this one is lamer than most.

    Ok, ASSuming they can figure out a way to separate the H and O before they just combine again. ASSume this tech actually works outside the lab and can be scaled up. ASSume it performs as advertised when scaled up. 18% conversion efficiency on sound waves? Sound doesn't carry a lot of energy to begin with and they will harvest 18% of it before losses in compressing the H. Oh wow, if we ran this stuff down a mile of busy highway we MIGHT generate enough energy to push one crappy green gocart/car down that highway every day.

    And that is the problem with most alternative energy schemes, they depend on ignorant people who don't know how the world works. There are LOTS of ways to extract energy from nature. The problem is that there aren't many that can compete with the existing sources because they are just so darned good, which was why we standardized on them in the first place. And if we actually do find a new good source, once scaled up it is a veritable certainty that we will discover that it too isn't a free lunch and that it also has a downside somewhere. And the second certainty is that the Greenies will be working to ban it because if it actually works it won't be alternative anymore. Kinda like music, when that great alternative/undergound band signs a contract and releases a hit most of their original fans declare them 'sellouts' and glom onto the newest unheard of band.

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  11. Re:Cost Effective? by Genda · · Score: 4, Funny

    Au Contraire, I'm certain the /. readers have already taken this problem into their own hands...

  12. This gas can't be transported... by Genda · · Score: 3, Informative

    My question is this "If you're producing Hydrogen... aren't you also producing Oxygen at the very same time?" So here you are creating a combustible gas mixture in a stiochiometrically perfect balance to go BOOM-POW!!! The gases are created together, you can't easily separate them. You need to pump this straight into a combustion chamber or fuel cell, because it's ready, willing, and able to off the instant it's created. It cannot be transported anywhere.