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Best Buy Offers Bogus "3D Sync" Service

Token_Internet_Girl writes "Fewer than two weeks after Best Buy offered the first Full 3D HDTVs for sale in the US, its latest Sunday circular (3/21/10) promotes a Samsung 3D TV deal consisting of a 55" 3D TV, 3D capable Blu-ray player, 2 pairs of glasses, a Blu-ray movie and Geek Squad delivery and installation. The ad states the service includes TV and Blu-ray player set-up, connection to your wireless network and 'sync your 3D glasses for an amazing experience.' The package price lists the 'geek' services as a $150 value. The offer's only problem is that there is no such thing as syncing 3D glasses. They sync automatically." Here's Best Buy Corporate's response to this hilarity.

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  1. Poor choice of verb. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think this was a deliberate attempt to defraud customers as much as it was a poor choice of verb. People use the term "sync" when it has nothing to do with synchronization. When you "sync" your smartphone you're not doing anything that relates to time, you're just copying data to be the same in both places. When you "sync" your Bluetooth headset, you're actually "pairing" it to tell it which phone it belongs to. When you press the "sync" button on your keyboard, you're actually "pairing" it again.

    While you don't need to set a clock on the 3D glasses, you do need to ensure that the glasses can see the IR emitter, with a clear path between the emitter and wherever the user will be sitting. That's the actual service they're offering as part of the larger setup package. I'm sure the advertising people will hear this brushback and correct future mentions of the service, but they're only technically wrong, and using words that better communicate to the people who would buy a Best Buy home install than the technically correct ones... even if technically correct is the best kind of correct.

    1. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Erm, so you're saying that actually they're not doing anything wrong, because this is a legitimate service they're offering - i.e. charging $150 to tell people they need a clear view of the TV to use their glasses to... watch the TV. I'm pretty sure that people will already figure out they need to see the TV to watch it, 3D or not, is your post sponsored by BestBuy or are you hoping to cash in by offering a $99 service?

    2. Re:Poor choice of verb. by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed. There are plenty of instances where dumbing-down technical descriptions of what us technology-savvy folk are doing edges into falsehood. Sometimes to explain things to the uninformed you have to condense to the point of being easily misunderstood by others in-the-know.

      The consumer will interpret that "syncing" thing as "doing whatever techno-wizardry is necessary to make sure the purchased stuff Just Works (tm)". The technician will basically test for DOA, or make whatever minor adjustments (ie. take off the packing foam) are needed. Syncing. Good enough.

      No sign of intent to mislead or defraud. Alarmism.

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    3. Re:Poor choice of verb. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe, if this was an isolated incident with Best Buy. But a quick search on Best Buy, Geek Squad, and Ripoff will get quite a few hits. I'd love to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but this is a bit of a pattern with them.

      The margins on selling electronics are painfully thin (ask CircuitCity). Creating a misleading "oh but that's not how we meant it" as they sell low value for the money services is a common thread for electronics retailers.

    4. Re:Poor choice of verb. by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Syncronization doesn't simply mean making things have the same time. It also means to make things *happen* at the same time. In this case, I'd assumed their "syncing" service to be making sure your glasses are properly shuttering in "sync" with how the player is broadcasting. Something that should happen automatically, and apparently does. And since the glasses are tied to the TV, they're paired automatically as well. It's not a case of "incorrect verb," it's a case of "falsely reporting what the service offers."

      They don't need to pair the glasses, they don't need to make sure the glasses are operating at the correct timings. It's a rip off.

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    5. Re:Poor choice of verb. by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I think it was a deliberate attempt to mislead. Best Buy already offers installation services on devices they sell, and by Best Buys response pretty much states that is exactly what this, just under a different name. 3d TV's are new, but TV's in general are not. Honestly any idiot can install a TV and home theater in a box and more people are realizing this and as such Best Buy is probably worrying that they are going to have a harder and harder time selling the essentially free money installation services. So they rename an existing service to make it sound like they are doing something special, that a trained professional is required for, that is essential for the enjoyment of the TV.

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    6. Re:Poor choice of verb. by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Informative

      Finally got to read BB's response, and it sounds like a cover. They were full of shit, got called on it, and then decided to go whole-hog and cover their asses. I don't buy it. They already said "We'll set it up and make sure everything works," so they didn't need to mention "syncing" 3D glasses, and the differing responses from employees tells me they didn't fucking bother with any sort of training, or even an explanation.

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    7. Re:Poor choice of verb. by blindedbyvision · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Read the article not just the blurb....

      "HD Guru called three Best Buy stores. After confirming each employee received training on 3D TVs and installation services, we asked them to explain the process of “syncing” the 3D glasses. We received three different but oddly similar responses.

      Blue shirt one said the glasses need to be synced with the Blu-ray player. The second geek referred to the 3D glasses needing to sync to the player via the USB port within the glasses, an impossible feat as there is no USB port on the glasses. The third stated the need to acquire the glasses’ IP address to sync with the Blu-ray player. There is no IP address for 3D glasses; they have no connectivity to the Internet or network. The Samsung battery powered glasses “sync” to the 3D content wirelessly via an infra-red pulse emitted by the TV."

      Best Buy has a consistent record of the same issue. How you choose to look at it is one of three things. 1. Their "experts" are worthless and don't know anything, 2. They are intentional trying to defraud consumers, or 3, they assume consumers are all retarded and wouldn't understand something explained to them in clear English. You can choose the one you want to believe. One or all of them are true.

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    8. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it's not a conspiracy then there's no story, and if there's no story, then why are you here?

      Now put your tinfoil hat back on and get in line with the rest of us!
      We were promised cake if we just stand on this moving walkway.

    9. Re:Poor choice of verb. by dangitman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm, so you're saying that actually they're not doing anything wrong, because this is a legitimate service they're offering - i.e. charging $150 to tell people they need a clear view of the TV to use their glasses to... watch the TV.

      The $150 isn't just for the "sync glasses" service, it's primarily for delivery and installation of the TV.

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    10. Re:Poor choice of verb. by agentc0re · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's a witch! Burn him!!

      WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does he weigh as much as a duck?

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      Sometimes, the answer is to just destroy it all.
    11. Re:Poor choice of verb. by hrimhari · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hold on, I'll be right back after I sync my mug with the coffee machine.

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    12. Re:Poor choice of verb. by spun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Best Buy does bother with training. They train their employees on how to scam you.

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    13. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      > He's a witch! Burn him!!

      WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does he weigh as much as a duck?

      Well, he SYNCS like a duck! Burn him!!

    14. Re:Poor choice of verb. by srleffler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, only the usual attempt to mislead that underlies most marketing. By using words that make the process sound more technical, they help convince naive buyers that they need this service. A more honest description of the services offered would probably inspire slightly fewer people to buy it. Hence, the attempt to mislead is intentional, but not especially severe.

    15. Re:Poor choice of verb. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think this was a deliberate attempt to defraud customers as much as it was a poor choice of verb.

      Best Buy is a multi-billion dollar corporation that can well afford copywriters. You can bet they don't make "poor choice(s) of words" when they're writing the fine print on their overpriced extended warranties.

      To suggest that this was just a "whoopsie" is absurd. Funny that the "poor choice of words" costs the customer an additional $150. How often do you think they made a "poor choice of words" that was in favor of the customer. And believe me, if that ever happens, there's going to be one out-of-work employee.

      Plus, this roll-out of the "3D" televisions is supposed to be one of the most anticipated product category introductions for them. Retailers like Best Buy are betting on a huge wave of "trade-ups" to 3D and they're counting on it saving their bottom line for years to come.

      The notion that they'd make an "innocent" mistake that happens to mislead customers to pay an additional $150 stretches the imagination.

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    16. Re:Poor choice of verb. by 228e2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Checkmate.

      Bestbuy has a constant track record of trying to confuse customers with computer terms so they will fold over and pay.
      Claiming the IP has to be synced is 100% BS because there is no NIC or USB port on the glasses, so saying the BestBuy computer experts (which i use loosely) were confused on the new technology is a cover up.

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    17. Re:Poor choice of verb. by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I watched two guys install a 42" TV on a wall mount once. I'd gladly pay $150 to the store in return for their installing it and accepting all liability for its being dropped during the install process.

    18. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Thinboy00 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The $150 isn't just for the "sync glasses" service, it's primarily for delivery and installation of the TV.
      -- ... and then they built the supercollider.

      I love how your sig goes with your comment, sorta.

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    19. Re:Poor choice of verb. by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is clearly an intent to mislead. Using the term "sync" rather than "unpack it and make sure it works" is clearly intended to make it sound like something you can't do yourself because you're not a 3D TV geek. The idea is to inflate the perceived value of the unpacking and turning on service.

    20. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      No sign of intent to mislead or defraud.

      From Best Buy? That is an alarming development. I don't think I have ever had an experience with that chain which didn't involve either of those value added services.

    21. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They made something up to scare people into buying their service. If someone already knows how to install an HDTV, they won't buy the $150 installation service.

      But if you tell them that their new 3D TV needs to be 'synced' by the Geek Squad, they may think that something fundamentally different is needed and they better buy the service.

      It's fraud, plain and simple. Seeing as the blogger called up three different Best Buys and got three different incorrect answers as to what the syncing was, I feel comfortable sticking by the original fraud allegation.

      Oh no no. It's not like a normal TV installation at all. You have to *SYNC* your 3D glasses! That will be $150...

  2. Well then! by garcia · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly hdguru.com needs to sync their database with their httpd.

  3. Best buy response (the site is getting slow) by zebadee · · Score: 5, Informative

    Best Buy Responds To “3D Glasses Syncing Service”

    (March 23, 2010) We asked Best Buy’s media relations department last week why Best Buy’s Geek Squad offers a fictional 3D glasses syncing service? (link to our original story). Below is the corporate response.

    “I wanted to address any lingering confusion about the characterization of services support in the Best Buy Samsung 3DTV offer that was advertised in yesterday’s (March 21) insert. We by no means intended to confuse our customers or offer fraudulent services. The offer is new to our stores, and our own employees were trained on it just this past week.

    Let me clarify the services that are included with this offer. Geek Squad will:

    1. Set up and connect your TV + up to 5 components (Blu Ray, Cable Box, Satellite Box, etc )

    2. Add your internet enabled Blu ray/Gaming Console or internet enabled TV to your existing wireless network so you can access online content such as Netflix and Pandora.

    3. Make sure your 3D glasses work – some solutions we sell need TV settings adjusted so that 3D glasses are enabled – there are both 3D and non 3D settings for viewing

    4. Review and teach you how to use all of your new gear.

    We have some customers who aren’t quite sure how the 3D glasses work, or that the glasses automatically sync with their new 3D TVs. So we wanted to convey that they can depend on Geek Squad to answer their questions during installation and set-up. There is no additional charge for this – and the Geek Squad 3D installation and networking services are included in the total price of this offer.

    You know we’re as enthusiastic about 3D as you are, and equally committed to help educate consumers about how to get the most from this home entertainment experience.”

  4. I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

    You know how like... some things don't look as ridiculous if several people are doing it at the same time (like, dancing, for example)? Well 3D glasses don't change that. A whole theater full of people still look individually absurd in a way that their numbers somehow do not correct for.

    1. Re:I've got enough social problems... by magnusrex1280 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The LAST thing on my list of "stuff I really care about" is what people who walk into my house think of how I look when using 3D glasses. If this is something you're really that worked up about, I would suggest that your priorities are a little off. It's your own house, do what you want. Stop caring so much about what other people think.

    2. Re:I've got enough social problems... by am+2k · · Score: 3, Funny

      The first thing I'd think if somebody walked into my house while I'm watching some 3D movie would be "how tf did that person get through the locked door?"

  5. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Several times. I thought that the corporate response was handled in a way as to detract blame from them, nothing more. It was still worth sharing that Best Buy as a company will try to trip up less savvy users into services they don't really need.

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  6. The simplest answer is probably the right one by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Chances are someone in the marketing department saw this and added 'syncing' of their own accord. They saw a buzzword, didn't know what they were talking about and made the ad accordingly. I doubt this was intentional fraud, and their answer sets the record straight on that. As one version of the old saying goes, "never attribute to malice that which is simple incompetence". Hopefully best buy will learn and have someone who is technically savvy review things in the future. After all who hasn't occasionally seen something like a dual core 2Ghz chip advertised as 4Ghz or a system advertised as having 1TB of memory?

  7. Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $20 by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny
    Be sure to sell your technically inept friends this great 3D advice:
    • Be sure to shake the glasses fervently to make sure that lens fluid remains fresh and your 3D viewing experience is homogeneous from the top of your eye to the bottom.
    • Old photons collect in the corner of the glasses. A toothbrush wrapped with tinfoil will quickly allow you to wick these away from time to time.
    • Sometimes glasses get 'out of sync' with the infrared emitter. If you suspect this, press your forehead against the middle of the display unit and slowly back away. Slower. Slower. That's it.
    • Hanging small rocks from the back of the glasses arm behind your ear prevents unwanted frontal ejection of your glasses from your facial region.
    • If you do not have access to small rocks, a large piece of duct tape attached to the bridge of your nose will block the glasses from falling forward during your viewing session.
    • Photons exhibit a common physical property known as "the duality of light" which occurs when the photon becomes confused about which color it should be when it sees photons of other colors. Make sure everything in your viewing room is painted or colored white so that no photon confusion interrupts your genuine 3D experience.

    Man, if only bullshit was source of income. What a second, I feel a political career beginning!

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  8. Oblig by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 4, Funny

    "24K gold-plated connectors help protect the cable's optical lens to ensure consistent signal transfer"

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B+-+8'+Digital+Optical+Cable/8315147.p?id=1174694191675&skuId=8315147&st=optical


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    1. Re:Oblig by theskipper · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, +5 funny but the comments are proof that this type of marketing works:

      NoSympathy from Cincinnati, OH
      "I have two def tech 7006 towers hooked up to a denon 1909 and my TV running into my reciever with this cable to I can get sound from my antenna. Sounds pretty good to me. I know I could go with an M series monster cable that would destroy this cable , but for what I use it for, it works for me!"

      By caramella from san antonio, tx:
      "I just got this from my new home theater system and it's great. Sound quality is awesome. Better than my last cables . Also durable with mesh covering. Won't have to worry about torn cables."

      Ouch.

  9. Features - Advantages - Benefits by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's how marketing people work...

    They identify the features of a product, translate that into an advantage, then translate that into a benefit.

    People buy benefits, they don't buy features (most people anyway).

    So, if you have some commercial software package that zips the reports, it might go like this:

    Feature: zip tool

    Advantage: compress and encrypt

    Benefit: Secure and quickly transmit your reports

    In this case, they're trying to justify their Geek setup services:

    Feature: 3d glasses delivery and setup

    Advantage: not worrying about compatibility

    Benefit: Sync your 3D glasses to your TV

    Sure, it's not accurate, but marketing people don't always know the fine details of what they are talking about. If they did, they would be techies.

    As programmers/developers/techies, we hate to deal in Benefits. They are so hard to quantify and define. We like to deal in features, which can be validated (it's there and it works, or it's not there or doesn't work).

  10. Best Buy, not the best at all by spun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Best Buy is the worst of all the computer/tv/tech stores I've purchased from. They charge for ridiculous 'products' and 'services' that are little more than outright scams. They have been indicted for some of them. Their prices are terrible, and they outright lie about matching others prices. This IS NOT your usual non-techy "I bought the wrong part" or techy "I know better than you" complaint. The complaints against Best Buy have to do with their criminal behavior.

    http://consumerist.com/2007/05/best-buy-employee-confesses-to-scams-similar-to-ones-outlined-in-racketeering-lawsuit.html

    http://bestbuyscam.blogspot.com/

    http://digg.com/tech_news/Yet_just_another_Best_Buy_scam

    http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/04/best-buy-scams-hdtv.html

    http://gizmodo.com/241220/best-buy-admits-they-scam-in+store-customers-with-secret-website

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bar-tender/2009/10/lawsuit-best-buy-lies.html

    http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2007/03/buyer_beware_best_buy_caught_t.php

    Seriously, Best Buy is evil. Do not shop at Best Buy.

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    1. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I read through the first two of your links from start to finish and I have to call bullshit. Specifically, I even worked with Steven Byers (the general manager named in the second link) and while he was a total dick, he would never have sent a customer to the warehouse. For that matter, NO ONE would send a customer to a warehouse. Best Buy has a specific process (Customer Fulfillment) that is set up for just such a situation (store has no stock but warehouse does).

      The way it works is, guess what, the warehouse delivers the product to the customer at no charge. Or it gets delivered to store and the customer can pick it up if that's more convenient.

      When you have a customer base as large as they do, of course there's going to be some bad interactions. That said, not everything on the internet is true.

  11. Re:Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $ by djdanlib · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait, wait, you need to paint the room matte black so those photons don't bounce off the wall and enter the wrong lens by mistake! That's why they make the screen border and all your home stereo equipment black, you know!

    If the 3D effect isn't working, make sure the cable isn't kinked. (Like a garden hose, it causes data flow problems if the cable is kinked.) If you're using the component cables, they have to be rotated JUST RIGHT or it doesn't work. I know it's a hassle, but spend the time and you'll get the absolute best picture you can get!

    *tips hat to parent poster

  12. lol by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3D TV = Laser disc. 10 years from now we'll see these things sitting in goodwill and laugh our asses off.

  13. Poor choice of koolaid. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Inasmuch as these aren't actual 3d displays such as this or this, but simply stereo displays, very limited single-perspective (same as 2d) "flat-image-per-eye" technology from about 1900 or so, it seems somewhat beside the point to complain about entities marketing installation with the word "sync."

    The market has already looked at the jug, poured the koolaid in its mouth, and swallowed it entirely on its own. There's little point in claiming they didn't want any koolaid.

    It's 3D if the display offers more than one viewing angle, composite or not. Or to put it in a way that even the most uninformed consumer can grasp, if a one-eyed person (or a person with one eye closed) can view the object in the perspectives we expect from the real world, it's actually there to perceive. That's something worth characterizing as 3D display.

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  14. Its a genuinely helpful service by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wearing the glasses upside-down or the wrong way round would cause incorrect left/right shutter sync and resultant loss of 3D effect.

    Anyone that would buy a TV from Best Buy must have limited intelligence, so Best Buy thoughtfully provide the glasses-sync service where they permanently epoxy the glasses to your head in the comfort of your own home. This value-for-money service prevents later user-error so ensures users will always get the full "amazing experience".

    This helpful service is already under attack from other tv manufacturers as they have identified it as anticompetitive due to the implicit vendor lock-in following installation.

  15. Oh my. by Noland150 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope this doesn't hurt the Geek Squad's reputation.

  16. .. this isn't even news. by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously -- you have to be on glue to buy shit from that big box store in the first place.

  17. Re:It's not going to take off by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A 3D movie is intended to be an immersive experience. Not background entertainment. If you want to use it that way, just turn the 3D off.

    I, for one, am sick of people treating movies this way. If you're not going to commit to the screening, then fuck the hell off, and don't disturb the people who are watching the movie.

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  18. Re:Worst Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is this, the assburgers guide to annoying retail workers? I expect you people to be dorks but holy shit, at least pretend you've heard of society when you choose to enter into it.

  19. Re:Worst Buy by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he persists you say "You are now harassing me and I will call the police if you do not stop."

    Go on, then, and when the police arrive tell them what lead to you calling. You'll be lucky if YOU aren't charged with wasting police time. "Officer, I entered these private premises to buy a product for them, but they attempted to sell me more than I was looking for. Rather than leaving the store, I called 911."

    Sounds like a Social Adjustment Disorder...