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Scrabble To Allow Proper Nouns

Hogwash McFly writes "The rules of the popular word game Scrabble are soon to allow proper nouns. Mattel, the maker of the game, hopes the changes made for a new edition, released this July, will 'add a new dimension' to Scrabble and 'introduce an element of popular culture into the game.' With this rule change, the company hopes to target younger fans and families, although they will continue to sell the traditional version where 'Beyonce' and 'Facebook' are not permitted words." Nobody is listening to my suggestion to penalize by one tile any player who has memorized every two-letter English word.

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  1. Hmm by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't this mean you could claim that any name that has been given to anyone is a valid word?

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    1. Re:Hmm by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was my thought as well. With all the weird names and alternate spellings people give their kids these days, pretty much any random combination of letters could be successfully argued as being a valid word. Personally, I think I'll stick with the old rules.

    2. Re:Hmm by WarlockSquire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      just partner with apple, and create an app that tells you whether a word is valid.
      why leave it to question when there's money to be made providing the answer?

    3. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, there's appealing to the masses and then there's making it so your product no longer makes any sense. They've obvious chosen the Michael Bay approach.

    4. Re:Hmm by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the article, they admit that there are no "hard and fast rules". Gee, talk about dumbing down the game - Scrabble to cater to semi-literates. Like they even know what a proper noun is ...

    5. Re:Hmm by sortius_nod · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm going to start using qwyjibo as often as I can...

    6. Re:Hmm by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm going to start using qwyjibo as often as I can...

      Why not, it's a perfectly cromulent word.

    7. Re:Hmm by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      Crap - no vowels again! Oh well.. I name this table fhzbgyn. That's a 7 letter word, across two triple word scores! Sweet :D

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    8. Re:Hmm by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rules that I always used (from a version of the game that's a decade or so older than me) state no foreign words either, which eliminates a number of the words in the official word list. We play with a real dictionary, and if the word isn't in that or is but is marked as a proper noun, then you can't use it. The official word list has contained words that the rules say shouldn't be allowed for a long time.

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    9. Re:Hmm by stonewallred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can bet your ass it won't be allowed in NSA rated games.

    10. Re:Hmm by Asmor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm going to start using qwyjibo as often as I can...

      Why not, it's a perfectly cromulent word.

      I've never heard of it. Clearly I need to embiggen my vocabulary.

    11. Re:Hmm by JDHannan · · Score: 5, Informative

      it is *NOT* a perfectly cromulent word.  The word is "Kwyjibo"

      Embiggen your minds here, people

    12. Re:Hmm by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      7 is my pet name for 8.

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    13. Re:Hmm by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's worse than that. They don't even have to rationalize that it is the name of a person. They can just make up a short story right there on the spot, and name it with whatever random sting of characters they have, and they have now created a perfectly valid proper noun that is completely within the spirit of the new rules.

      E.G.

      Zxggrta: The story of a boy playing Scrabble

      There once was a boy playing scrabble. He didn't have any real words in his tiles, so he decided to write a short story called "Zxggrta". Since he wrote the story, "Zxggrta" is now a valid word in Scrabble.

      The End

    14. Re:Hmm by EL_mal0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      And, interestingly enough, Kwyjibo is a cromulent proper noun. The Kwyjibo iron oxide-Cu-Au deposit can be found in eastern Canada; here's a map showing its location.

    15. Re:Hmm by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always preferred jozxyqk myself. Erm, I mean, I prefer to use it in Scrabble. I'd hate to have to use it in real life.

      It's a perfectly valid word. It's the sound you get when you get your sexual organs trapped in something. I saw it used on TV so it must be real!

    16. Re:Hmm by ArundelCastle · · Score: 2, Funny

      They've obvious chosen the Michael Bay approach.

      I'll pay extra to watch people's Scrabble boards explode when they get a triple word score.

      c..e..i..l..i..n..g..c..a..t**BOOM**

    17. Re:Hmm by guyminuslife · · Score: 2, Informative

      I still think that's ambiguous.

      For instance, nouveau riche is a French phrase imported into English. Webster's has it listed, but my spellchecker cries bloody murder when it sees me type it. That's two words; Webster's has an entry for nouveau but not for riche. So is riche an English word?

      Webster's has anime as a Japanese import, but not otaku or hentai, both of which are also widely used in the English-speaking world.

      Queso may be the Spanish word for cheese, but around these parts we use it as an English word to refer specifically to molten nacho cheese, as in chili con queso. Speaking of which, the word nacho is a relatively recent import, and while Webster's doesn't list chili con queso, it does list chili con carne.

      I would probably have a lot more to work with, too, if we were speaking a different language, besides English, because so many neologisms in our language make their way around the globe.

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    18. Re:Hmm by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fine with me. I wouldn't want to play Scrabble with anyone who would want to use proper nouns anyway. Does that make me a jerk? Probably, but I'm ok with that. I'd rather just not play than play a fundamentally broken game.

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    19. Re:Hmm by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some decades after a maternity ward Scrabble game:

      "Sir, could please give your full name for the court?"

      "Qfuhbix Triplewordscore Inyourface Jones"

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    20. Re:Hmm by QJimbo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did someone just say my name?

    21. Re:Hmm by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Mattel has stepped into a morass that is far deeper than they know.

      I doubt these new rules will be used in Scrabble competitions.

      And they won't cause big problems to most people who understand the unwritten rules of playing games _socially_.

      Basically when people play games socially, people will either agree to play according to a set of rules upfront, or they'll accept what the "house rules" are even if they aren't completely aware of all the "house rules".

      The general assumption is that the participants will behave reasonably because:
      a) they want to continue playing with each other.
      and/or
      b) they want to win AND have the other person admit that it was won fair and square - makes the victory sweeter for them :).

      So the new rules are only a problem when you are playing with people like that stereotypical nerdy kid who keeps insisting on his really stretched interpretations of AD&D rules[1].

      In which case you just don't play with them.

      [1] Yes hackers do like stretching/bypassing the limits, but IMO there's not much point "winning" in games/life if nobody wants to play with you.

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    22. Re:Hmm by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are they in the dictionary?
      No?
      Then they don't count, as always.

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    23. Re:Hmm by JohnBailey · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it's called the MS Bob approach. ;)
      It's what you get, when you mix up "elegant", "emergent" or "efficient" with "simple", and listen to the loud dumb clients to make the thing useless for everyone with half a brain, while telling the intelligent critics that the dumb would not get it. Some people really think they could make more money that way...

      Ahh.. The Apple strategy..

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  2. mhm. by Pojut · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, triple word score. Suck it.

    1. Re:mhm. by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Funny

      theres only 1 of me, u slly goose (2 bd scrbble stll doesnt allow 1-ltr wrds)

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    2. Re:mhm. by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Funny

      Really? I would have thought there were at least 53421 of you...

  3. Acronyms by LordHatrus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm waiting till they start to allow acronyms, so that we geeks can win with our multitude of TLAs.

    1. Re:Acronyms by Imagix · · Score: 2, Funny

      Forget acronyms... next up, l33t speak!

    2. Re:Acronyms by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      FU

      Sorry...couldn't resist. I tried. I really tried.

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    3. Re:Acronyms by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is a Two Letter Acronym. I don't know what you're talking about.

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    4. Re:Acronyms by robot256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      NASA-speak frequently involves sentences consisting entirely of articles, prepositions, and acronyms. Half our "words" turn out to be backronyms, and some nested acronyms (acronyms for strings of acronyms) are easily four or five levels deep.

    5. Re:Acronyms by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 3, Funny

      You'll have to wait for the SQL. /rimshot

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  4. Sigh by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So now it's scrabble for idiots. Maybe next we can have Jeopardy change to multiple choice.

    1. Re:Sigh by dummondwhu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that, but if people really want to use proper nouns, then what's to stop them currently? Because it's not written on the rules paper? Scrabble is about vocabulary, not about knowledge of popular culture.

      Most surprising to me is that I even care, but the more I think about it, the more I do. Come on, Mattel!

    2. Re:Sigh by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Informative

      Could it be they're just trying to stir up controversy to increase their head-space and sell more boxes of Old Faithful (TM) before New and Inferior (TM) becomes the norm?

      Ah, yes. The rarely seen New Coke fallacy.

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  5. Dumbing things down by m93 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....one of the chief things that is causing our country to fail. As an avid boardgamer, I am offended and disgusted.

    1. Re:Dumbing things down by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Funny

      In related news, Parker Bros is releasing a new edition of RISK that uses a single coin instead of 5 dice. Heads you win, tails you lose.

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    2. Re:Dumbing things down by TheCycoONE · · Score: 2, Funny

      When there are 2 defenders there's a possibility both players lose one so you'd need a 3 sided die

      But...
      3 attackers - 2 defenders (37.2% both, 33.6% one)
      3 attackers - 1 defender (66.0%)
      2 attackers - 2 defenders (22.8% both, 32.4% one)
      2 attackers - 1 defender (57.9%)
      1 attacker - 1 defender (41.7%)

      are all different odds... so really you need two weighted three sided die, and three weighted coins (which incidentally brings us back up to 5 items, but at least no one needs to figure out which die have the most dots)

    3. Re:Dumbing things down by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Comedian: "I just flew in from Chicago... and boy are my arms tired! hahaha"
      TheCycoONE: "Given the average mass of a resident of Chicago, and comparing it to the minuscule amount of lift that could be generated from human arms, even with vigorous flapping motions, we can extrapolate the following formulas to show the improbability of this occurrence..."

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    4. Re:Dumbing things down by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      wtf? declaring AFTER you see the dice results?

      We go one better. We allow an infinite level of 'undo's on any move. After an attack, either player can decide that attack or even the entire turn didn't count and the board is rolled back to a previous state. The benefit of this is we play really sharp games with few sub-optimal moves. The downside is we've never yet finished a game.

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  6. Minor correction by JonStewartMill · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Mattel, the makers of the game, hope the changes made for a new edition, released this July, will "add a new dimension" to Scrabble and "dumb the game down so it can be enjoyed by a generation of near-illiterates". "

    1. Re:Minor correction by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Scrabble, now for stupid people!

    2. Re:Minor correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's the Scrabble Tea Party Edition! Me fail English? Unpossible.

  7. lower-case-f-acebook is a word.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    But... a facebook is a directory of faces and names for cramming before a social event.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facebook

    And Facebook was named after facebook.

  8. I am waiting for the match between... by linzeal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am eagerly awaiting the matchups between people that listen to celebrity gossip and kids who play video games. Literature professors and Philosophy of Science majors should be fun too. Seriously, there are so many different fields with famous figures, creative works with dozens of 100's of characters and even worse think of Pokemon. I am not fucking accepting a Pokemon character as a valid word, no way.

  9. Hasbro and Mattel by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    For one thing, the article is about the Mattel version. Hasbro sells Scrabble crossword game in the United States and Canada, while arch-rival Mattel controls it everywhere else, so North Americans need not worry. For another, the article states that Mattel is making the proper name rule optional: "It will continue to sell a board with the original rules."

    1. Re:Hasbro and Mattel by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Has it come across anyone people that they could have been playing by these rules all along?

      I don't see why this affects anything at all.

    2. Re:Hasbro and Mattel by bickerdyke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Keep selling a board with the original rules" is not exactly the definition of an optional rule. It's rather taking advantage of the people who never realized that ALL rules are more or less optional.

      It shouldn't take the players more than 3 minutes to decide if proper nouns are allowed or not. Sure as hell they shouldn't have to buy a different board for that!

      if we're lucky, we might get theleaflet with the "classic" rules as an "expansion set" for half the price of a complete game....

      OTOH:
      Hasn't everyone overthrown this rule with "Counts if google has more than 1000000 hits for it" anyway?

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    3. Re:Hasbro and Mattel by blackraven14250 · · Score: 5, Funny

      OH MY GOD!

      Do you seriously mean to say that Americans are going to be the ones that don't have the dumbed-down version of Scrabble???

  10. Was this really necessary? by f3rret · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well like the topic says, did we really need a patch for Scrabble?

    I mean it's not like there is something built into the game that prevents people from using house rules , nor is there (far as I am aware) any professional Scrabble scene so it is not like there is any great need for an official revision of the Scrabble rules.

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    1. Re:Was this really necessary? by Jer · · Score: 2, Informative

      nor is there (far as I am aware) any professional Scrabble scene so it is not like there is any great need for an official revision of the Scrabble rules.

      Don't know what you mean by "professional Scrabble scene" but there are a good number of Scrabble tournaments around the world. I doubt the folks in the Scrabble tournaments play Scrabble as their only job, but there are cash prizes.

      I don't know what the tournaments will do with this rule. My guess is that they will ditch it - it would be too hard to adjudicate in a tournament setting, I'd think.

    2. Re:Was this really necessary? by stonewallred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are about 100 people who make a living playing professional level scrabble. None of them are rich, but they can usually make 500 or so bucks a weekend most weekends, with a few scattered tourneys netting them 1-5k throughout the year and the wold tourney can net them 50k the last time I checked. I stopped play competitively when I saw moving from being ranked in the high 400s was going to take a lot more time and effort than I was willing to expend. I now only play tourneys if they are within a couple hours of my house, and I know none of the top 200 or so players in the world are not going to show up. That way I can reasonably expect to either win it all or place in the money. I played a two time winner of the world tourney once, and in 8 games he beat me by at least 100 points a game. Once by 200 and some change. But people who are not in the top 200 rankings are beatable by anyone who is in the top 500. The difference between a 500 ranked and a 100 ranked is the equivalent to the difference between a top fuel funny car and a 1968 VW bug on a 1/4 mile strip.

  11. scrabble to allow LOL and OMG by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now considered part of online and texting culture, Mattel has decided to allow "words" such as LOL, OMG, and BFF.
    To play this enhanced game, Mattel hopes to sell new copies of the game worldwide. Also slated for late 2010 is a version with exclamation points and other punctuation.
    A Mattel representative presenting the new variants on the classic brand, "We have not decided if you earn points or lose points for excessive punctuation. LOL!!11!"

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  12. Re:memorizing alphabetized letter lists by famebait · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should have memorized definitions in stead. Especially of the word "game".

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  13. FTW by crispi · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Change your name via Deed-Poll to the letters left in your rack.
    2) Place letters on board
    3) ???
    4) Profit!

  14. Re:memorizing alphabetized letter lists by LordLimecat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A good house rule we use is you must be able to define and/or use the word in a sentence. If we then look the questionable word up, even if it is in the dictionary, it may be denied if your definition was way off.

  15. One name to rule them all. by a+whoabot · · Score: 2, Funny
  16. House Rules by Baby+Duck · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Always play with House Rules
    1. 1. No foreign units. Especially not foreign currencies.
    2. 2. No "spellings" of "letters". Example: Why is "en" in the Scrabble Dictionary as a "spelling" of the pronounciation of the letter "n" ??!?
    3. 3. Despite #2, spellings of Greek letters are allowed (example: "alpha") since they are used in so many disciplines
    4. 4. No abbreviations! No to "amp", "ref", "ex", etc. Or while we are at it, "etc" itself.
    5. 5. No Old English or Middle English words or spelling variants
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    1. Re:House Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why is "en" in the Scrabble Dictionary as a "spelling" of the pronounciation of the letter "n"

      En and em are both printers' units of measure. That's why they are in the dictionary.

    2. Re:House Rules by keytoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      No "spellings" of "letters". Example: Why is "en" in the Scrabble Dictionary as a "spelling" of the pronounciation of the letter "n" ??!?

      For the record, 'em' and 'en' are typography terms. Granted, they are derived from the 'spelling' of letters, but they're honest-to-god words at this point.

  17. Re:Scrabble is produced by Hasbro by JustOK · · Score: 2, Informative

    and yet, it turns out, they did, you didn't.

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  18. Ooh, they're printing a new bit of paper! by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, big deal. All they need to do to "change the rules" is to print a slightly different paper to slip inside the box. WTF would they need to "make" two separate editions? Hardly anyone seriously plays 100% by the official rules anyway so it seems a load of bullshit. You could just agree with your partner to follow this rule without buying a new set. This is just PR bullshit.

  19. Re:memorizing alphabetized letter lists by stonewallred · · Score: 2, Interesting

    actually you want to memorize 6 letter stems, then go to five and 4 letter stems if you want to be competitive. bingos win games, and even the best players have trouble locking a board up against equally skilled players. but strategy will almost always beat word knowledge. I play against people on-line and in RL who use either an electronic scrabble dictionary (franklin mint edition from way back) or websites. And unless they have a bunch of time it still does not help them win. You only have 25 minutes before you start getting hit with a 10 pt per minute or fraction of a minute penalty in tournament rules. I love beating the idiots who use websites, because they nerdrage and accuse me of cheating when they are the ones cheating and losing.

  20. Re:Can't wait for the "any language allowed" versi by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

    The french version of scrabble has a value of 10 for the W and Y letters, because they are in very few words. If only I was allowed tu use english words....

    Why? How would any English words help you?

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  21. Re:Can't wait for the "any language allowed" versi by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For those who missed the joke, “why” would be a 24-point word.

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  22. Continue to sell the traditional version? by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They'll continue selling the traditional version. Uh, what are they saying here? That you need to own two copies of the game if you want to play by two different sets of rules? Have we lost our minds today?

  23. New Rule at Chez Bemopolis by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're over at my house, and we're playing Scrabble, and you try to fucking play "YouTube", I'm going to punch you straight in the cock.
    And I'm going to film it.
    And I'm going to upload the clip to YouTube.

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