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Apple Blocks Cartoonist From App Store

ink writes "Here is another troubling anecdote on the iWeb front: 'This week cartoonist Mark Fiore made Internet and journalism history as the first online-only journalist to win a Pulitzer Prize. Fiore took home the editorial cartooning prize for animations he created for SFGate, the website for the San Francisco Chronicle... But there's just one problem. In December, Apple rejected his iPhone app, NewsToons, because, as Apple put it, his satire "ridicules public figures," a violation of the iPhone Developer Program License Agreement, which bars any apps whose content in "Apple's reasonable judgement may be found objectionable, for example, materials that may be considered obscene, pornographic, or defamatory."' Whether or not you agree with Fiore's political sentiments, I believe we can all agree that the censorship of his work should be denigrated."

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  1. News Flash: Apple limits app store! by VGPowerlord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, Apple has a locked down system that rejects apps for arbitrary reasons.

    This is a known fact, can we stop pretending its "stuff that matters?"

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    1. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by xbeefsupreme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It really does matter: saying that apple can reject any app they want may not mean much to the general public, but a specific example like this really puts it into perspective and gets potential iphone buyers/developers thinking "If they block an app in this circumstance, then apple can block apps for any circumstance".

    2. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, Apple has a locked down system that rejects apps for arbitrary reasons.

      This is a known fact, can we stop pretending its "stuff that matters?"

      We're trying to find the pattern in the reasoning, if you don't mind.

      I think they show it to a judgmental old lady and reject what she objects to. The reason for long approval times? Naps.

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    3. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, Apple has a locked down system that rejects apps for arbitrary reasons.
      This is a known fact, can we stop pretending its "stuff that matters?"

      And accept defeat? I'll keep pointing it out to people until Apple changes the system or kills it.

    4. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed it does put it in perspective. Apple is run by a bunch of cowardly, vile morons.

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    5. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean "News Alert"... Flash is not supported.

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    6. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We need to keep bringing up this stupid behaviour. We need to talk about it, think about it, and most importantly share this idiotic stories with those we know who don't read Slashdot.

      Why? Because this isn't okay. Like copyright extensions to infinity and like DMCA issues, Joe Average simply doesn't know what bad stuff is going on. The only way to cause change is by votes. Those votes might be at a ballot box, or at a cash register.

      You and I know what's going on. Each of these stories is a new bit of ammunition to us. Or would you rather we just accept corruption, bias, and philosophically repugnant behaviour so we don't need to hear about it anymore?

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    7. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is censorship. Nowhere in the definition of that word is there anything about an obligation to publish something. You're just making up an arbitrary definition to support Apple. Wikipedia:

      Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.

      The media organisation Apple's action fits the definition like a glove.

    8. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by ink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That does not address the argument that was presented to you: if this is a case of censorship, then every single case where someone refuses to publish someone else's work is also censorship.

      It certainly does answer the question -- you just don't like the answer.

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    9. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, looks like the apple store's approval process worked again. That magic 8 ball surely must be getting kinda worn out by now.

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    10. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      supression != unwilling to use my resources to help you.

      Which of Apple's resources are required here? In fact Apple stands to gain from this transaction, and is declining it in spite of this.

      It isn't as if Apple just doesn't have the manpower to approve this app.

      Do you seriously believe that every printing press, web server, megaphone, etc. has to convey your message when you demand it?

      Do you seriously support needing the permission of the megaphone's manufacturer for every word spoken through it?

      Hyperbole can be fun!

    11. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by obarthelemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody's talking about freedom of speech, just about idiot censors censoring something that is obviously cultural, because they're too dumb, or scared of offending, to appreciate it.

      Therein really lies the risk of censorship:
      1- censors are not gods: they can fail, and either censor worthy stuff or not censor bad stuff
      2- in the case of "commercial" censors like Apple (who does it for the money) they'll always err on the side of not offending, at the expense of promoting challenging, meaningful stuff.

      I'm not saying that Apple doesn't have the right to do that... it may even be good for them.

      It is bad for us though, and we shouldn't encourage them. There are plenty of much freer platforms for use to support and move to.

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    12. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Walmart opting not to carry certain songs with explicit lyric is censorship.

      Publishers declining to publish works that make them uncomfortable, despite whether or not it would sell, is censorship.

      A government body stopping such is unconstitutional censorship, but other kinds can and do exist.

      When you deny access due to content arbitrarily, and without using any reasonable standard, that is a form of censorship - whether or not it is conducted by a government body.

      Your definition is untenable -- according to you, any expression of choice in selection of content is censorship; that just doesn't cut it. In a free market, content creators have the right to create (or decline to create) content; distributors have the right to distribute (or decline to distribute) content products; and consumers have the right to buy (or decline to buy) products. Period.

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    13. Re:News Flash: Apple limits app store! by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

      that's a stupid name, and a stupid idea. it'll never work.

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  2. Solution by spleen_blender · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Make an android app instead.

  3. Re:George Orwell must be turning in his grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because Apple has neither a monopoly on desktop computers nor on smart phones? And thus can not be guilty of "monopolistic" behavior?

  4. Had similar experience by Stele · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote an app called Sort, which is a simple sorting "game" with various topics (sort the letters of various alphabets, sort states alphabetically, sort President years, etc).

    We had one topic called "Madoff Victims" where you were to sort the 10 highest losers of money due to Bernie Madoff's schemes, in order of loss.

    I don't remember the exact wording, but Apple rejected our app because they didn't like us implying bad things about him, even though exploits are well known. We removed that topic and the app was accepted.

  5. Reason #238... by Itninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...not to get an iPhone.

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  6. Ridicules public figures? by dusanv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chairmans Mao and Stalin would be proud.

  7. Re:George Orwell must be turning in his grave by bennomatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The difference between Apple and Microsoft in these actions is like the difference between an old man shouting to get off their lawn and a protection racket.

    Unless you choose to play on the old man's lawn, he doesn't affect you. He's a jerk, but he's avoidable, much like Apple is.

    Microsoft is more like the protection racket; either strong vigilante action (for which Linux is emblematic) or law enforcement are the only way to stand up to those guys.

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  8. Inconsistent by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The App store has a MSNBC app for political cartoons. How is that any different?

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    1. Re:Inconsistent by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The App store has a MSNBC app for political cartoons. How is that any different?

      MSNBC have money. Apple like money.

      I predicted the corporate dominance over the Apple App store some time ago (2008, when the Iphone was released in Australia), small developers are being pushed out in favour of larger developers which deliver Apple more profit and are easier to control. From my perspective the App store was designed for this from the word go.

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  9. *sigh* by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Whether or not you agree with Fiore's political sentiments, I believe we can all agree that the censorship of his work should be denigrated."

    The righteous never think that what they say is propaganda.

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  10. Re:George Orwell must be turning in his grave by FuckingNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple displays monopolistic, i.e. anti-competitive, behaviour. Who cares whether they're a monopoly? unless your aim is to punish success (i.e. Microsoft) out of spite rather than to stop activity which is damaging to the marketplace.

  11. Re:Control freak. by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

    just which community standard is against satire and making fun of public figures?

    Muslims, Jews and Catholics.

    If you draw a picture of baby Mohamed sucking the Pope's penis while a Hasidic jew films the scene with cash sticking out of his pocket and the camera connected to the internet, you will get sued AND you will explode.

    In fact that's such a horrible image, I think my karma might take a hit just by pointing out that people would not react well to something like that.

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  12. Re:Absolutely! by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Censorship is performed by the government or an agent thereof, not by individual corporations.

    I take it you've never heard of network censors?

    Hint: Network censors don't work for the government, they aren't government agents, and the rules they impose are often more restrictive than those required by the FCC.

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  13. Re:It's not censorship by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course it's censorship. It's just not illegal censorship, since Apple is a private corporation.

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  14. Re:George Orwell must be turning in his grave by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, its more like the old man invites you onto his lawn and then has you arrested for trespassing.

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  15. Re:Boo censorship by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should they allow you to install any app you want?

    Because it's my phone, my hardware, I paid for it with my money. Apple does not own it, nor any piece of it. I have the full right to use the software it came with in any way I see fit. And I have the right to put whatever software I want on it.

    Apple tries to assert that I do not have that right. Apple's only valid assertion is that if I install software from another source that they shouldn't have to support my stuff any more. Fine, void my warranty. It's still my device.

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  16. Jobs has long history of censorship by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read iCon the bio of Jobs that Jobs hated so much that he banned all Wiley books from Apple stores.

    iCon is available for the Kindle. Some Kindle books are available for the iPad. "iCon" does not appear to be one of them.

  17. The real reason by starfishsystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real reason that Apple is censoring applications by Mark Fiore is that he led the way in doing animated cartoons in Flash.

    Regardless of whether you agree with his views (and I think it's entirely possible for you to make your own choice whether to install an app whose function is to deliver political satire) his work is widely regarded as technically innovative and artistically stylish. And the Apple principals can't stand to be seen in conflict with anyone more innovative and stylish than they are.

    So rather than have him outclass them at the party, they'll just escort him out of the house, so to speak. There you go Apple, problem solved!

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  18. Re:Control freak. by HBI · · Score: 4, Funny

    The caption needs to be "The Aristocrats".

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  19. The DMCA and common carrier regulation by Geof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Apple was the telephone company and it blocked the ability of Mr Fiore to communicate his satire to me, I think we would agree that (regardless of Apple's ownership of the wires) this was censorship, that it was bad, and that it should not be allowed. Indeed there are regulations to this effect.

    If Microsoft implemented something in Windows that blocked my ability to view Mr Fiore's cartoons on my PC, I think we would be likely to come to the same conclusion. In this case it I own the computer; there is a strong argument to be made that I should be able to choose how to use it.

    Now say I own an iPad. Mr Fiore would like to distribute his cartoons to me. Apple owns the app store, and they say No. They have implemented technical measures to prevent me from finding another way to get Mr Fiore's work onto the device I own. Furthermore, there is a law in place - the DMCA - that makes it illegal for me to work around those restrictions - even though I own the device, even though Mr Fiore would like to communicate (or sell) his work to me.

    In other words, the government has already intervened in this situation. It has done so on Apple's behalf. Citizens have every right to intervene in the public interest.

    As a society we use companies in the market as means to ends. We value communication; we have found the market is an effective way of enabling it. We have therefore regulated in order to create markets (through property rights, enforcement of contracts, and so on). We regulation different modes of communication in different ways. The telephone system is one example. The PC is another. Sometimes that regulation is done through government statutes, sometimes through regulatory bodies, sometimes the market is the regulating mechanism.

    Your technical question of whether Apple's actions constitute a dictionary or legal definition of "censorship" ignores any ethical considerations. I think Apple's actions here are bad. I am not interested in "hating" Apple because it is a company fulfilling obligations, not a human being capable of moral choice. What I am interested in is how we can encourage and enable human speech, expression and communication. This story demonstrates a failure in this regard.

    The question, then, is how to improve matters. Replacing Apple's control of the iPad with outright government control, to pick an extreme example, would likely do more harm than good. But there are other choices. One obvious response is to publicize and educate the problem, as Slashdot is doing. The government could fix the DMCA so that Apple can't use it to restrict my legitimate use of the product I own. Copyright and patent law are often used to create monopolies of distribution, to the detriment of artists and consumers: if Hollywood and the recording industry back Apple's approach, for example, we could end up with a single dominant channel of distribution. Our legislators should be concerned with this. We might also consider some kind of common carrier- or net neutrality-type regulation to ensure that channels like this are open. For example, it seems to me incredibly unreasonable that Apple gets the DMCA on side and is then able to behave like this. The law grants rights: it should also require the fulfillment responsibilities.

  20. Re:George Orwell must be turning in his grave by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They don't have a monopoly over what gets sold on the iTunes store? They don't have a monopoly over iPads? iPhones?

    By that vein, then Best Buy has a monopoly over what gets sold in Best Buy. And Microsoft has a monopoly over the Xbox.

  21. Why an app? by AlpineR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does your hypothetical iPad have a web browser? Can it visit www.markfiore.com? Could he post an iPad-compatible version of his cartoons there? Then why do you need an app for that?

    That's what really bugs me about all these smart phones and tablet computers advertising how many apps they have. We used to call most of those things "web pages". But now that they are "apps", we can't use them on our general purpose computers.

  22. Apple is the new AOL by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Funny

    While there are going to be exceptions, (ie, geeks excited about trying new technological solutions), most iPad/Pod/Phone users I've met typify AOL customers of old.

    With one significant added dimension. . .

    There's a weird Christian-ness about them which is hard to put my finger on. Clean-shaven, pleasant-but-fake facade which feels cultish. They make my stomach squelch nervously when I'm around one of them. -Which either means I'm the anti-Christ, or something deep in my DNA is reacting with fight/flight chemistry to the smiling pod people.

    -FL