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Volcanic Ash Heading Towards North America

chocomilko writes "St. John's International Airport, the easternmost airport in Canada, has begun canceling flights due to worries of ash from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano, leaving travelers stranded after the weekend's Juno awards festival. Early reports stated that there was a 30% chance ash would reach the island by early Monday; Air Canada has issued an all-day travel advisory. A thick blanket of fog currently covering the city isn't helping matters, either."

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  1. Affects on Europe by Celt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ireland's airspace as well as Englands, France, Germany, Finland etc all closed at present and has been since before the weekend, lots of people stuck in other countrys unable to get home and are trying any means available to try and get home. US/Canada will really feel it if the same thing happens. ....and people think we're not all connected in the world :)

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    1. Re:Affects on Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ..., lots of people stuck in other countrys unable to get home and are trying any means available to try and get home.

      Exactly. Heard what John Cleese did?

    2. Re:Affects on Europe by Celt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah heard that, these people had to buy bikes in order to board a ferry in france
      http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0418/breaking15.html?via=mr

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    3. Re:Affects on Europe by ddxexex · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except the US's train system is nowhere as good as Europe's ... so this is going to be worse for the US if it reaches us.

    4. Re:Affects on Europe by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 5, Funny

      The US train system is excellent if you are coal, or liquid polypropylene, or the like. For humans not so much.

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    5. Re:Affects on Europe by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's nice! You get a nice, slow trip with some sightseeing and additionally, you do something for your health.

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    6. Re:Affects on Europe by Weezul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You realize the U.S. possesses three of the world's nine known supervolcanos right? In particular, Yellowstone park will eventually cover half the U.S. in three feet of ash and debris. Have a nice day. :)

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    7. Re:Affects on Europe by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's gotten significantly better over the last 5-6 years. George W Bush actually did something quite useful for Amtrak, by changing the rules to allow Amtrak to sue CSX, Norfolk Southern, etc when they violated their contracts with Amtrak (which of course they used to do regularly because there was no penalty for doing so). Once that rule changed, most trains began to run on schedule or close to it.

      And for those who've never done it, it's a fairly pleasant way to travel. I'd recommend spending the extra on a sleeper room if you're going for 24+ hours, but the traveling part is thoroughly pleasant, basically lounging around, chatting with folks you meet, enjoying the view, stuff like that.

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    8. Re:Affects on Europe by Kirijini · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The US train system is excellent if you are coal...

      Not so much. I know what you mean - coal plants rely on the railroad system for the delivery of coal, and as a natural consequence, the railroad system is tailored for delivering coal. But, nevertheless, the coal plant owners are not happy with the US railroad system, and it is far from "excellent" to them.

      Coal plants are completely hostage to whomever owns the railroad that goes up to their plant. For some plants, the last 10 miles or so is owned by a different railroad company than the one that provides most of the shipping, and the owner of that "last mile" has absolutely no competition in delivering coal to that one plant. And naturally, they charge an enormous premium, as compared to plants that receive their coal from other railways or other delivery methods (barge, or even trucking).

      The US train system is like any other network infrastructure, including the internet - a robust "last mile" is just as important as a robust "backbone." And competition at each segment is a good thing, but rare because such capital-heavy infrastructure is extremely prone to consolidation, monopolies, and rent-seeking - all of which lead to stagnation, and all of which need to be regulated for the public (and economic!) good. In some ways, this might be one explanation as to why the airline industry is doing better than passenger trains - they rely on a completely different (almost "peer to peer," as in, airport to airport) infrastructure that allows competition; and despite the heavy capital investment required, its much harder to exclusively own part of the network and lock out competition.

      This is all based on some readings I did in college on the American energy infrastructure. I don't still have those books, so I don't guarantee the accuracy of everything said here, but, consider this article a citation.

    9. Re:Affects on Europe by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From Nor Cal to So Cal by train takes somewhere between 20-24 hours (Sacramento to Grand Central LA). Most of that is by BUS. It costs more than a ticket on Southwest Airlines from the nearest Airport.

      The last mile is not the problem. The problem is the backbone is slow, has too many slow points, stops every 20 miles to pick up new people.

      So, why would anyone take a train(unless they have a fear of flying)?

      To make the train make sense, they'd have to start letting people drive their cars onto the train, and make longer than 100 mile segments so the train can actually go 120-150 MPH for distance.

      I would love to be able to drive my car to the Train Depot, drive it onto the train, sit and relax for an hour or two, and get 200 miles away. In fact, I would augment or replace long stretches of empty highway with Trains that hauled cars.

      Talk about efficiency!

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  2. That just sucks ash... eh? by MeNotU · · Score: 4, Funny

    That just sucks ash... eh?

  3. SIGH by vikingpower · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally. All Canucks & Americans who laughed at us Europeans now get to experience how nice it is: no hassle, quiet skies, no contrails, stay-at-home and work -- or be stranded in interesting cities at your bosses' expenses !

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    1. Re:SIGH by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think we here in the US have had that experience not too long ago. Not to be overly grim here, but the week after 9/11, there were no planes flying in the skies above the US. Not hearing the planes landing and taking off at a near-by major airport nor seeing them high in the sky flying into other airports in the region was pretty odd.

    2. Re:SIGH by Tweezer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All aircraft engine manufacturers call for zero ash. I'm guessing that they figured that was the easiest thing to do as opposed to doing actual testing. Since it's never been tested properly, I wouldn't blame the governments for following the written specifications. I also doubt that any engine company is going to be willing to take on the lilability of publishing updated specifications allowing some ash.

    3. Re:SIGH by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is so odd to me is that many Europeans thought that Americans were laughing at them because the volcano interupted their air travel. I don't know anyone who thought that was funny at all. Do Europeans really think that we are that petty?

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    4. Re:SIGH by varcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      determine if it's dangerous or not

      Actually, the danger isn't that planes will fall out of the sky or somesuch because they've encountered some ash. The problem comes from the glass/ash mixture having a rather big effect on engines and airframes' wear-and-tear. Flying thru the ash plume probably causes 10 or more times the normal wear on engines. However, the maintenance schedules are rather inflexible on planes.

      Net result? The flights won't be dangerous now. They'll be in a couple weeks/months, when you have 90% of your airplane fleet that has engine problems early, the civil aviation inspectors can't inspect them all, and the average european company becomes no more reliable than the lowliest north-african charter plane company.

      Sure, they could replace all those engines earlier. If they can find some outside of the counterfeit market at reasonable prices, that is.

      (short: Resuming flights before we can figure out the length of the emergency is short-term good, long-term bad)

    5. Re:SIGH by knarf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What made you think that we here in the Olde Worlde thought you would be laughing about our ashy situation? I have not heard anything even remotely resembling such an accusation. Nothing in the media, nothing from 'real people', zilch, nada, niente, nichts...

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    6. Re:SIGH by beerbear · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do Europeans really think that we are that petty?

      Everyone over here in Germany was, or knows someone who was, at an US high-school for a semester or year. There's ample of anecdotes err evidence of petty US Americans. Yes, I'm talking to you, Mike. We're not even yet.

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    7. Re:SIGH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      You know, this thread starting with:

      Finally. All Canucks & Americans who laughed at us Europeans now get to experience how nice it is: no hassle, quiet skies, no contrails, stay-at-home and work -- or be stranded in interesting cities at your bosses' expenses !

      Maybe that's related, somehow?

    8. Re:SIGH by rufey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Flying through dense enough ash clouds can cause significant problems. British Airways flight 9 from London to New Zealand is just one example.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

      And it can affect more than just the engines. In the above cited incident, the windscreen was sandblasted to the point that it was nearly impossible to see out through it.

  4. Spellcheck fail by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's Eyjafjallajökull. I barely knew which volcano you were talking about.

    1. Re:Spellcheck fail by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

      And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.

      That's what you say now. Just wait until you hear about the "passengers" having to swab the poop deck and service the engines. Worst.cruise.ever!

    2. Re:Spellcheck fail by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.

      After all the news about the Tea Party rallies, I'm pretty nervous about the Brits sending over warships...

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    3. Re:Spellcheck fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn, now I have to change my email password

    4. Re:Spellcheck fail by berashith · · Score: 3, Funny

      nice sig, but , 8)Fixed that for you ... there, fixed that for you

    5. Re:Spellcheck fail by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gesundheit.

  5. bankers take on the grounded flights by Xemu · · Score: 4, Funny

    This was overheard in London:

    The English Banker to the Icelandic representative for Kaupthing Bank:

    We said we wanted CASH... not ash!

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    1. Re:bankers take on the grounded flights by flex941 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Longer version:

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      Dear Iceland,

      We said "send CASH".

      Yours sincerely,
      United Kingdom

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      Dear United Kingdom,

      You should have stopped to consider that there is no letter "C" in the
      Icelandic alphabet before issuing your demand.

      With best,
      Iceland

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    2. Re:bankers take on the grounded flights by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 5, Funny

      The economy of Iceland's last request was to have its ashes spread across Europe.

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    3. Re:bankers take on the grounded flights by tpheiska · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear Iceland,

      We said "send HASH".

      Yours sincerely,
      The Netherlands

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    4. Re:bankers take on the grounded flights by jamesh · · Score: 3, Funny

      No C? What a load of silly bunts.

    5. Re:bankers take on the grounded flights by magnus.ahlberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, it does contain the letter "Æ". Which coincidentally is called "Ash" in English.

    6. Re:bankers take on the grounded flights by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear UK, You should trust our files implicitly, but here's the hash anyway:
      76D08CAB8B28C5F447D47519454F0D94

      Yours sincerely,
      The Netherlands

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  6. A word of advice by lammy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this situation unfolds for Canada / North America as it has done for Europe, they may wish to revise their means of communicating cancellations to passengers. The 'marker pen on a whiteboard' technique may be suitable for a handful of flights at a small regional airport but doesn't scale very well once an entire continent's airspace has been closed. Also, the hand-drawn "Sorry" with a sad face next to each flight number will start to take on a somewhat patronising tone.

    1. Re:A word of advice by yotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is Canada. The "Sorry" and the frowny face are actually dictated by law.

    2. Re:A word of advice by JamesP · · Score: 4, Funny

      And don't forget the 'Desolé' since everything has to be in french. I assume they should draw a frowny face with a french hat and a cigarette as well...

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    3. Re:A word of advice by epiphani · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, the hand-drawn "Sorry" with a sad face next to each flight number will start to take on a somewhat patronising tone.

      Patronizing? Really? I can't see how that would be patronizing at all. But then again, I'm a Canadian, and I'd just find that being apologetic in a friendly tone.

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    4. Re:A word of advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And don't forget the 'Desolé' since everything has to be in french. I assume they should draw a frowny face with a french hat and a cigarette as well...

      Q:-(_...

    5. Re:A word of advice by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean by "being apologetic in a friendly tone"? Is there any other way?

      Signed, another Canadian.

  7. I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

    How 'bout you?

    Bet you're feeling real good about driving that Prius designed to be oh-so-gentle on Mother Gaia, ain'tcha?

    Meanwhile, the belch from one unpronounceable volcano wipes out the cumulative effort from all of mankind over the past hundred years to purify the water and soil, and dwarfs all of our species' feeble, amateurish efforts to pollute them in the first place.

    Gimme a rainforest, a chainsaw, and a case of Red Bull. It's Payback Time!

    1. Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature by Marcika · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How 'bout you?

      Bet you're feeling real good about driving that Prius designed to be oh-so-gentle on Mother Gaia, ain'tcha?

      Meanwhile, the belch from one unpronounceable volcano wipes out the cumulative effort from all of mankind over the past hundred years to purify the water and soil, and dwarfs all of our species' feeble, amateurish efforts to pollute them in the first place.

      Gimme a rainforest, a chainsaw, and a case of Red Bull. It's Payback Time!

      Bollocks. You overestimate the volcano. The cancelled planes would have belched out 14 times more CO2 and SO2 than one pesky little volcano. Nature? Feeble, I say, bah!

    2. Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even the comments for that link indicate that others think it is bogus, as it doesn't account for methane (a MAJOR greenhouse gas that volcanos emit) and other gases, and it has already been corrected many times. While interesting, you would have to be insane to use that data for anything important, like all Slashdot links.

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    3. Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meanwhile, the belch from one unpronounceable volcano wipes out the cumulative effort from all of mankind over the past hundred years to purify the water and soil

      In the first place, it was around 1970 before anybody seemed to care about the environment. Perhaps other countries started to care before then, but not long before then. Nixon signed the first US environmental legislation in 1970, forty years ago. The previous 150 years saw mankind spew more pollution than had been spewed in the previous history of man.

      Second, the volcano is spewing far less pollutants than the world's cars do every day, except the ash. And it may help alleviate global warming somewhat by reflecting sunlight back into space. As to the ash, men destroyed the ecosystem in Oklahoma and other parts of the plains which resulted in the dist bowl in the 1930s, which rained far more dirt than the Iceland volcano; it spread as far as Europe. It was worse, since it was fertile topsoil that blew away, much or most of it winding up in the Atlantic ocean.

      So before you drive your Hummer to the rainforest to cut down trees just for evil spite, you might want to find somewhere besides Fox News to educate yourself.

  8. Its going to get much worse... by antonyb · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Its going to get much worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      First they run the country down and go bankrupt, then they set the place on fire... I'm wondering if this is somekind of insurance fraud?

    2. Re:Its going to get much worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no evidence in that article other than historical patterns. As far as I've been able to determine from numerous sources, there is no sign of increased earthquake activity or inflation of the mountain at Katla yet (due to injection of magma at depth beneath it), and those processes will precede any significant eruption there just as it did at Eyjafjallajokull. It will not be a surprise. There's an extensive seismometer, GPS, and tiltmeter network around both these mountains (Eyjafjallajokull and Katla), so there will be at least a couple of days notice if Katla starts to stir. Look, here's a report from a few weeks before the Eyjafjallajokull eruption started (back in March). It's badly translated by Google Translate, but look at the clump of earthquakes around Eyjafjallajokull in the map (the peak on the left). Katla is the glacier covered peak on the right (labeled Myrdalsjokull -- the volcanic caldera of Katla is the circle with tick marks) -- not much going on back then. Back in March it was hard to tell if this earthquake spike was a sign an eruption was actually about to occur (sometimes you get magma moving around but never making it to the surface), but a similar spike in earthquakes beneath Katla will almost certainly occur there beforehand, and if it occurs you can be 100% sure that it will show up in the news, because people will start being evacuated from around that peak too. If you look at Iceland earthquake maps for the last week, or this one for the last 48 hours using Google Earth (you can also download a KML file), you can see most of them continue to be under Eyjafjallajokull and not under Katla.

      So, yes, genuine cause for concern because of historical patterns and because Katla is a much larger and more explosive volcano historically (Ejafjallajokull's eruptions have a Volcanic Explosivity Index of 1, but Katla has had VEI up to 4, and it's a log scale), but nothing specific YET that suggests it is becoming active. Watch the news and we'll see.

  9. Who laughed? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Informative
    I didn't laugh. I was actually a little envious because you Europeans can get on a train and get home - if home is on the continent.

    If we in the US have this problem, it's means renting a car to get home and all the hassles with dealing with that - our passenger rail is a complete joke outside of the North East corridor.

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    1. Re:Who laughed? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      We have passenger rail outside the northeast. You just rent a car, drive 90 miles to the depot, arrive near your destination, rent another car to drive 90 miles to your home. What could be easier? ;)

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    2. Re:Who laughed? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We have passenger rail outside the northeast. You just rent a car, drive 90 miles to the depot, arrive near your destination, rent another car to drive 90 miles to your home. What could be easier? ;)

      You forgot the one hour plus lay overs like in Atlanta and other parts while the freight trains roll past and you wait for a connecting train.

      I guess it beats walking.

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    3. Re:Who laughed? by jackbird · · Score: 3, Informative

      I take it you've never taken I-95 from DC to Boston.

    4. Re:Who laughed? by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You forgot the one hour plus lay overs like in Atlanta and other parts while the freight trains roll past and you wait for a connecting train.

      But thanks to all the delays in arrivals and departures, sometimes you only have a 3 minute layover to get from concourse A to concourse D, whereupon you can wait 45 minutes on the plane waiting to take off, enjoying the aromatic plane fumes. This is one reason that I now drive to Atlanta (5 hours) instead of fly, that and the TSA delays and hassles. Actually, I drive instead of fly for any trip I can drive in 8 hours or less now.

      By the time you consider connecting flights (can't afford direct flights, which cost 2x-3x as much), delays, early checkin, waiting for luggage, waiting for rental, layovers, cavity searches, etc., it takes 5 to 8 hours to go anywhere you can drive in 8 hours anyway. I would just about take a Greyhound over flying nowadays.

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  10. You're kidding, right? by Taagehornet · · Score: 4, Informative
  11. Are you sure about that? by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

    A volcano, in ICELAND? Tell me another one. Everybody knows that volcanoes are only in warm places like Hawaii.

  12. Re:UK MET-OFFICE by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Stopping flights, all over Europe? [guardian.co.uk] Pull the other one, mate."

    It's an International Railway Conspiracy.

  13. Re:UK MET-OFFICE by TheCowSaysMooNotBoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do the Finnish airplanes fit in? It's all nice and dinky until an airplane experiences motor failure and it plummets down an urban center, right?

  14. On the bright side.... by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A few more strong eruptions like this in different regions around the world, and there'll be enough ash in the sky to knock the temperature down a little bit. Global Warming is solved!

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  15. Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kind of like everyone blamed Bush for anything that happened in the previous 8 years? Including a few hurricanes?

    No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit, for appointing unqualified and flagrantly incompetent butt-buddies, excuse me, political henchmen to run FEMA, and for deliberately underfunding and eviscerating FEMA and nearly every other non-military federal agency in order to deliberately make them incapable of carrying out their mandate. Which worked brilliantly in his war against "big government", until we actually needed that government to rescue tens of thousands of people.

    Then we got our act together, at many times the expense, and with many times the casualties, than it would have entailed if a competent president had appointed a competent leader of FEMA, and not gutted the agency of funds and logistical support.

    And yes, everyone (except the hard-core right) quite correctly blames him for that. And the illegal war he started, and the financial implosion that was a direct result of Republican lassaiz-faire bank regulation (and which the Republicans are trying to continue today by filibustering any meaningful bank reform).

    It's bad enough they do these things and then try to make us feel bad for pointing out the error of their ways. It's even more disburbing how utterly incapable of learning from their mistakes, and correcting their ways, these idealogues are. They'd rather be stubbornly wrong regardless of the evidence, than have a hint of flip-flopping on an issue(what most of the rest of us would call "correcting a mistake")

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  16. Re:Maple Leaf = North America? by rotide · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just an FYI, North America is _not_ only the United States nor does it only mean Canada, Mexico, etc. Whatever you think the title of the story should have been, it appears there is a threat of ash to North America and thus using any North American flag, especially the flag of the first country to potentially be disrupted, seems appropriate.

  17. follow up joke: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    the iceland economy, that died in 2008, stipulated in its last wishes that its ashes be spread over europe

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  18. Doesn't anyone read the @#%#@$ article?? by skidisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first sentence: "Fears receded Monday that the fallout from Iceland’s volcanic eruption would disrupt flights within North America."

  19. News Flash(es) by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a good, up-to-date list of eruptions in 2010. Updated fairly frequently, so it should give travelers a little insight before it hits the main media.

    1. Re:News Flash(es) by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, that link won't help. The ash from an eruption can travel great distances, and the direction changes with the wind.
      You're better of consulting your local http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_Ash_Advisory_Centre

  20. Interesting Animation of Dispersal by DieByWire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's an interesting animation of the dispersal from Denmarks's weather service: island_vulcano6000.gif

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  21. Re:Jet stream doesn't go that way. by actionbastard · · Score: 4, Informative

    Generally, yes. However, you need to look at this: http://wxmaps.org/pix/NHanim.html, to understand why it's possible for this to occur.

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  22. Re:Maple Leaf = North America? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is a graphic of a tire there as well, and I am offended.

    Since when does North America have a monopoly on tires? They don't. I was born in rural Angola, Africa and we even had tires there. When I was in Japan I saw tires. And in Iraq. And France and Italy and Belgium and Brasil and New Zealand. So how then can anyone place a graphic of a tire next to a story with "North America" in the title, as if tires are solely possessed by North America?

    This is an obvious infringement of my rights.

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  23. No planes, trains and automobiles by malloryweis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've just got home (Monday 14:00 GMT) having left a conference (the international liver forum) in Vienna on Saturday 15:00 GMT. A train to Munich, folllowed by a overnight train to amsterdam, Ferry from Amsterdam to Newcastle (England), Train from Newcastle to Glasgow (Scotland). 7,500 people at the conference and major difficulties for those from the states (about 700) trying to get home - some bussed south to Rome, which subsequently also closed. If this hits the US significantly expect major disruption, Bummer is I'm supposed to be flying to Houston on Saturday to visit a friend.

  24. Re:UK MET-OFFICE by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about the Norwegian air ambulance helicopter, the Finnish airforce jets, and the MET office aircraft that did fly up there and did come back with measurable effects on their aircraft?

    Or were they conveniently ignored because that doesn't fit well into an attempt to blame the met office?

    Oh, and besides:

    "During all those next days this first data-set never got adapted, updated with actual data or even checked again."

    [citation needed]

    I can't see any evidence anywhere whatsoever for the above quote, only evidence to the contrary- i.e. that continuous satellite data is being used (and not just by the met office), and also that the met office has as mentioned above sent aircraft up to test the effects too.

  25. Maple Leaf FTW by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 2, Funny

    Canada - leading the world in being just north of the USA.

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  26. Canadian Tire by Heed00 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That graphic is actually another code for Canadian -- it's a Canadian Tire.

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  27. Re:Maple Leaf = North America? by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

    sounds like you're wheely tired of getting tread on. But don't worry, what goes around, comes around.

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  28. Pronunciation by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I'm having fun with the pronunciation. Especially since every Icelander seems to have their own way of saying it. I'm going with eya-love-a-jock-itch.

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  29. Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? by VolciMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kind of like everyone blamed Bush for anything that happened in the previous 8 years? Including a few hurricanes?

    No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit, for appointing unqualified and flagrantly incompetent butt-buddies, excuse me, political henchmen to run FEMA, and for deliberately underfunding and eviscerating FEMA and nearly every other non-military federal agency in order to deliberately make them incapable of carrying out their mandate. Which worked brilliantly in his war against "big government", until we actually needed that government to rescue tens of thousands of people.

    Then we got our act together, at many times the expense, and with many times the casualties, than it would have entailed if a competent president had appointed a competent leader of FEMA, and not gutted the agency of funds and logistical support.

    And yes, everyone (except the hard-core right) quite correctly blames him for that. And the illegal war he started, and the financial implosion that was a direct result of Republican lassaiz-faire bank regulation (and which the Republicans are trying to continue today by filibustering any meaningful bank reform).

    It's bad enough they do these things and then try to make us feel bad for pointing out the error of their ways. It's even more disburbing how utterly incapable of learning from their mistakes, and correcting their ways, these idealogues are. They'd rather be stubbornly wrong regardless of the evidence, than have a hint of flip-flopping on an issue(what most of the rest of us would call "correcting a mistake")

    Regardless of whether or not the head of FEMA was qualified, what is FEMA's purpose? They are an "emergency" management agency. Louisiana and the city of New Orleans asked them to wait to come down.

    The mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana should take most or all of the blame for damages and injuries incurred during that hurricane. Hurricanes happen. New Orleans is below sea level. Katrina was a hurricane. It was heading towards New Orleans. And yet no one ordered an evacuation of the city until the storm was just hours away?

    Likewise, why were out-of-state contractors hired to work on the cleanup and rebuilding? Excluding folks like myself who volunteered to go work there with aid teams like the Red Cross, Samaritan's Purse, etc, why were local folks not hired? Sure, some of them were unqualified to build bridges. But how qualified do you ave to be to take a shovel and muck-out a building?