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In Defense of Jailbreaking

Keith found a nice manifesto saying "There's a trend that's been disturbing me lately. When the topic of modding or jailbreaking comes up — say, in the wake of the iPad announcement, or Sony's restrictive PS3 update — there is an outcry. Who am I to tell Apple what's best for their devices?"

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  1. Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Who am I to tell Apple what's best for their devices?"

    Who are Apple to tell me what I can and can't run? Precicely why I'll be buying a Lenovo Ideapad U1 (have been waiting for a device "like" the iPad for almost as long as my flying car, FINALLY somebody listened to the idea of simply having a detachable screen).

    1. Re:Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I call shenanigans. No one's telling you what to run.

      As a developer, you are free to upload any app you write to your phone. If you want to sell your app through their store, they have a right to decide what they sell and what they don't. I you can't live with that, move on and develop for a platform that meets your needs.

      As a consumer, if you choose to buy a device whose store does not sell the apps you want or need, the choice to buy was yours and yours alone.

      Get off your high horse, put your money where your mouth is, and get your damned Ideapad already. Enough of your disingenuous "I'll be buying" BS and let's have more of that "I've already bough this other thing instead and, having used it, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and hopeful for the future because ...".

    2. Re:Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by RichiH · · Score: 2, Informative
    3. Re:Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Probably someone who bought a smartphone before Android OS phones became common.

      I bought smartphones before Android was around.

      They ran Symbian.

      Since the iPhone is hardly a smartphone I never thought of buying one.

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    4. Re:Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by Dracker · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's QT native. You can use Fanboy's list. You can use greasemonkey scripts.

    5. Re:Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by MousePotato · · Score: 2, Insightful

      /. system not working correctly today...

      First, there is no "bait and switch". The deal is clear and in the open from the beginning.

      Actually, the alternative OS removal with the PS3 happened quite some time after the units were put of for sale. I think many in the EU will succeed in getting some sort of compensation for their purchases because of it as mentioned here on /. last week.

      The seller decides what they are offering to a customer, and what they charge the customer for this offering. A different offering would cost different amounts of money. You are basically saying that you don't want to allow any contracts where contracts are used to establish what you get for your money.

      Actually, I never said anything of the sort. I read the fine print and decided caveat emptor. The way the agreement went with the iphone said essentially that I am paying for a device that I wouldn't technically own, just use, and it actually belongs to AT&T and Apple. So, no thanks.

      As an example, let's say a car manufacturer sells two variations of the same car, one with 100 horse powers, and the other with 200 horse powers, for different prices. Which is Ok, you get different things, you pay different amounts. Now the manufacturer finds a way to change the horse power of its engine using software. They can still offer the same two car variants, but you are saying they shouldn't be allowed to do that. What justification do you have for that except your own personal greed?

      I see your point but I disagree; its a terrible analogy. If a person buys the 200 hp car and discovers the 100 hp purchaser got the same deal for the software upgrade then they are entitled to some form of compensation. Afterall, they bought the 200 hp model. If the upgrade makes their car a 100 hp lemon then same thing applies.

      If I buy a car I don't have to go to the dealer if I decide on a better stereo, rims, seats, shocks, tires and add tint to the windows. If I lease a car I cannot do any of those things unless I can restore the vehicle to 100% of its original condition when i return it minus the usage i put it through.

      As for the 'own personal greed' jab; I honestly don't think its greedy to expect to get what you pay for. If you purchase something and its to your liking then you got what you wanted because the product is what it is. If you purchase something and later the manufacturer of the product decides to remove functionality, for whatever reason, and makes the product useless to you then that's just not right.

      How would you like it if in your car analogy the manufacturer decided that in order to be more 'green' and cut emissions by 14% (cool new trendy feature added) the car shouldn't be operable one day a week?

    6. Re:Apple can kiss my shiny white ass by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It can't even show animated GIFs,

      Yes, it can. You just need to use the Movie api instead of ImageView. Next Android version will add it to the default browser, but by the time that is released, Flash will be out of beta.

  2. DMCA still makes it illegal by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Certainly a worthy moral argument, but thanks to the WIPO copyright Treaty (which everyone, except for a few of us crazies who were warning about it, completely ignored back when it was being debated), such circumvention of technology (specifically if it's designed to access protect copyrighted content) is nonetheless illegal in many WIPO countries, including the U.S.

    From the anti-circumvention section of the DMCA: "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."

    And notice the language there. It doesn't say "no company may do this for profit" or "no one can do this for anyone else" (as many mistakenly believe), it says "No person." That means you sitting at home jailbreaking your own cellphone. Now, maybe you could make the case that an iPhone and its OS is not a "work protected under this title" but I think that would be a hard sell.

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    1. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."

      Doesn't sound like it effectively controls anything if it can be so easily bypassed.

    2. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So one Might use jailbreaking to violate copyright, therefore he must be restricted from doing it.
      By the same logic, government might cut off your internet at any moment, restrict you to your house. Kill you because you Might be a terrorist who wants to kill the President or whatever.

      Can a government enforcing rules that criminalize the WHOLE of the population be called "democracy"?

    3. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by mbone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am not a lawyer, but I have read the DMCA, and it (this section) applies to copyrighted "works", which devices are not generally considered to be. So, no, I don't think that this is relevant. Can you show case law to the contrary ?

    4. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you start lumping all individuals together it's starting to sound like Katamari Democracy.

    5. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I've heard of it, jailbreaking is not aimed at the device itself, but at its software. While you might have a point if jailbreaking involved completely wiping the Apple OS from the phone and putting your own OS on it, IIRC it's actually aimed at modding the existing Apple software, which would certainly be considered a copyrighted work. If I am wrong here, I welcome correction.

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    6. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by novium · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's murky, but I know that EFF was asking for an exemption from the DMCA for jailbreaking phones. They are also sort of worried that they won't be able to do the same for the iPad until 2011. If you search for 'DMCA exemption jailbreaking' , you can choose your source.

    7. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One can also use a pencil and paper to infringe on copyright, using nothing more than their own intellect as a means to circumvent the copy protection.

      Taken entirely literally, without exempting private use, the anti-circumvention provision of the DMCA makes it a criminal act to be intelligent enough to do this.

    8. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by Nerdfest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure the law applies to this the same way it does to game consoles. People have been arrested for modding consoles, although I think iyt's generally been when it was done commercially.

    9. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Apple OS would be considered a copyrighted work. And, from what I understand, jailbreaking involves breaking technological measures aimed at preventing users from modding this OS.

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    10. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by Inf0phreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can we stop with this idiocy? "Effectively controlling" is not the same as "being effective". The Content Scramling System used to encrypt data on DVDs is effectively controlling region coding (et al), but it is not very effective at it. But during normal operation of a (properly licensed blah blah blah) DVD player, it will indeed "effectively control" your access to the data on a disk.

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    11. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by burris · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seriously, do you think the word "effectively" means what you think it means in the context of the law that criminalizes bypassing the technological measure, if simply bypassing the technological measure would render the law moot?

      That's not how it works. In this context "effectively" means than under normal operation the effect of the measure is to control access to a work.

      How about a quote from the summary judgement Apple obtained against Psystar:

      As to the second argument, Psystar contends that Apple’s anticircumvention technology was ineffective because the decryption key for circumvention is publicly available on the internet. This argument fails. “The fact that circumvention devices may be widely available does not mean that a technological measure is not, as the DMCA provides, effectively protecting the rights of copyright owners in the ordinary course of its operation.” Sony Computer Entm’t Am., Inc. v. Divineo, Inc., 457 F. Supp. 2d 957, 965 (N.D. Cal. 2006). Generally, measures based on encryption “effectively control” access to copyrighted works. Here, when the decryption key was not employed, the encryption effectively worked to prevent access to Mac OS X. And that is all that is required. See Universal City Studios v. Reimerdes, 111 F. Supp. 2d 294, 318 (S.D.N.Y. 2000) (noting that when a decryption program was not employed, the encryption worked to control access to the protected work).

    12. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by masmullin · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's gud for beeg cumpnies is gud for 'Merka

    13. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But if it results in a lawsuit and your bankruptcy, that's effective enough for the legal system.

      My thoughts on the matter are simple -- if I paid for it, it's mine, I do what I want with it. This does not include copying for others. But it does include loaning to others, using with others, modifying to my heart's content, and anything I want. I do not modify my semi-auto rifles to full auto, as regardless of whether I think that should be my right, it's a serious felony where I live, and I choose to not take that risk. Nor do I modify my car such that it won't pass relevant smog tests. But in both these cases, the manufacturer hasn't forbidden the mod, and I wouldn't pay attention if they had. If I didn't have to smog the car, I wouldn't sweat those mods, and if the full auto mod weren't such a heavy duty crime and fairly easy to detect, I might do that too, altho full auto is not interesting or useful to me, and it sure does eat up ammo. I suppose if they ever require yearly DRM checks on computers, some rethink will be necessary, but I can't imagine what that could be so I don't worry about it now.

    14. Re:DMCA still makes it illegal by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is jailbreaking primarily intended to defeat a technological measure that limits access to the OS? In what way can you read the OS on a jailbroken iP*d that you can't with a non-jailbroken one?

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  3. you're the one who bought the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that means it's YOURS now. end of story.

    1. Re:you're the one who bought the product by purpledinoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And since you bought it, it's your fault for supporting a platform that's ruled with an iron fist.

    2. Re:you're the one who bought the product by perryizgr8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the existence of jailbreaking implies an iron fist. otherwise you would be able to do anything on your phone without hacking it.

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  4. When you buy it... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...it becomes YOUR device.

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    1. Re:When you buy it... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree wholeheartedly. However, the flip side is that Apple ought not have to support the device short of hardware failures.

      Face it... people buy Apple because it works out of the box without having to configure anything. People who buy Apple products are generally okay with being limited on capabilities.

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    2. Re:When you buy it... by dnaumov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      until you realize you DIDN'T BUY THE DEVICE, but instead purchased a license to use a device in accordance to a specific agreement. I really really wish it would be a case of "I paid money for this and goods have exchanged hands so I can do whatever I want with it", but in a lot of countries, this simply doesn't hold true.

    3. Re:When you buy it... by Bearhouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, (and I agree with you), but...when you purchased it, you accepted the T&Cs...

    4. Re:When you buy it... by flitty · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Article clearly states that any modding you do should not affect anybody else. Jailbreaking your iPad/phone shouldn't negatively affect other users, and apple should be able to lock you out of their ecosystem when you jailbreak your device. It's a value proposition. You can keep your nice walled garden, or you can take it out into the wasteland with all the issues and freedoms.

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    5. Re:When you buy it... by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It becomes your device, but we have overwhelmingly (99%+) voted for (and re-elected many times, confirming again and again) a government that creates laws which say that people are not allowed to do certain things with their own devices. This is with bipartisan support and utter lack of any controversy. Or rather, the only controversy is in internet blog postings. When it comes to the ballot box, though, people are very unified in strongly supporting the idea that government should initiate force to limit what people can do with things that they own.

      Think about it: we even still have drug laws, so that "ownership" of our own bodies is itself, is a murky concept. If ownership of yourself doesn't mean anything, how can owning a widget mean anything? We'll value personal dignity long before we take the more radical step of recognizing personal property, and even that first simple step is likely many decades away.

      Don't like it? Start voting.

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  5. I think you are: by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who am I to tell Apple what's best for their devices?

    The user who paid for the lovemaking device without having to first agree to anything.

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  6. It's not their devices by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who am I to tell Apple what's best for their devices?"

    Assuming that you haven't been shoplifting, they are not their devices. They are your (our) devices.

    Having said that, if Apple says that doing such-and-such may wreck the machines, you've been warned.

    1. Re:It's not their devices by localman57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then don't install them. Bust into the device. Do it. Explore to your heart's content, and seek true happiness. But if something Apple does messes up the device after you did something they told you not to do in the first place, then so be it. Either be a bad-ass who breaks the rules and goes off on your own, or don't. Those of us who live on the edge expect to bleed sometimes.

      Or, just buy an open platform like Android to begin with.

  7. Re:Whose device? by e2d2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That money only buys a window into the walled garden experience.

  8. if i paid money for it.... by Shompol · · Score: 2, Funny
    I can

    (*) Disclaimer - or i can not buy jailed device in the first place and save myself some trouble.

    1. Re:if i paid money for it.... by log0n · · Score: 4, Funny

      you forgot

      * blend it

    2. Re:if i paid money for it.... by psergiu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Buy it, use it, break it, fix it,
      Trash it, change it, mail - upgrade it,
      Charge it, pawn it, zoom it, press it,
      Snap it, work it, quick - erase it,
      Write it, cut it, paste it, save it,
      Load it, check it, quick - rewrite it,
      Plug it, play it, burn it, rip it,
      Drag and drop it, zip - unzip it,
      Lock it, fill it, call it, find it,
      View it, code it, jam - unlock it,
      Surf it, scroll it, pause it, click it,
      Cross it, crack it, switch - update it,
      Name it, rate it, tune it, print it,
      Scan it, send it, fax - rename it,
      Touch it, bring it, Pay it, watch it,
      Turn it, leave it, start - format it.
      Technologic

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  9. What bugs me by VoiceInTheDesert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is that manufacturers are allowed to right EULA's that violate the basic rights of citizens. I'm all for reading the EULA and for receiving consequences upon it's violation, because that's fair. But what I'm confused on is why companies are allowed to write EULA's that specify exactly what can and cannot be done with it period.

    Take away service? Ok,that's fair. You don't know what I put on this device, so I can understand if you don't want to support it.
    Discontinue updates? I get that, for the same reason as above.
    Void warranty? I get that too, since I could easily be an idiot who broke it and that's not your responsibility.

    But the one I don't get is why companies are allowed to write EULA's that basically allow them to retain ownership of a device after it's been "purchased." For all legal purposes, this item belongs to the consumer. If it's stolen, it's returned to the consumer, not Apple. Why then, is Apple allowed to make this claim to ownership?

    Again, I'm very much in favor of realizing and accepting consequences under the law...but I really think the law is flawed here. The rules for EULA's needs to be visited and rewritten such that purchases of technology amount to more than borrowing your big brother's gameboy.

    1. Re:What bugs me by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They can write whatever they want in the document. However, anything written in the EULA that is contradictory to the Law is not enforceable, and thus can be ignored by the user. Getting the company to acknowledge this is another matter.

    2. Re:What bugs me by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please note EULAs can specify all kind of bullshit like you disclaim rights to all your property and internal organs, and sign up to be Steve Jobs' sex slave. It doesn't mean they are valid claims, and that anyone is ever able to enforce them. There are consumer right laws that limit the scope of EULA and they are simply invalid wherever they trespass on these consumer rights.

      It's the same like you can sue anyone for anything ever, except if what they did is not unlawful, your case will be thrown out of court without a trial.

      I bought a second-hand device with OS and software preinstalled. I never agreed to any EULAs. The deal, best to my knowledge, was fair - I have no reason to believe he violated any laws. Maybe, just maybe, the previous owner violated them upon selling the device to me. I don't know - I didn't see any EULA, so I had no opportunity to check. That's yet another exit.

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  10. Finally! A Whitelist! by localman57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Putting aside the whole "You should", "You shouldn't" be able to Jailbreak the thing, I think it's interesting that we finally have a whitelisted platform. For years and years, whenever we have a security discussion on Slashdot, someone inevitablely says

    "You can never succeed trying to filter out all the bad stuff. You need a whitelist of the good stuff."

    But then someone else always says

    "But who creates the whitelist?"

    And both get modded +5 insightful. In this case, Apple created the Whitelist that all the security people say we need. And applied it to a whole platform. They apparently do code reviews, and enforce proper usage of the API.

    Personally, if I had an iPhone, I'd jailbreak it. But I like the idea that I can give one to my Mom, let her get apps off the app store, and not have to de-gunk the malware every 3 months like I do with her PC.

  11. Straw man? by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have not seen the outcry you're talking about. I think this post is just another angle for people to rail against Apple's policies.

    Which is fine, BTW! People are certainly welcome to do so, and to an extent I agree with the outcry. But I object to the implied victimhood here--of a person beset upon by the horde.

    Jailbreaking is very likely legal due to the first sale doctrine. But it hasn't been tested mainly because Apple has yet to go after a single customer for jailbreaking a product they own. They won't honor the warranty, but they're not bothering them either. It's the right place for a tech company to be IMO. If I install a new engine management chip in my Civic, Honda won't honor that warranty either.

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    1. Re:Straw man? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What if you put new tires on your Civic?

      If you managed to slap 24 inch mud and snows on your Civic in some half crazed attempt to pretend you're a monster truck - Honda may well fail to honor the warranty when the constant velocity joints fail in a week.

      How's that for a tortured car analogy?

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  12. spread the word by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A couple of my coworkers were talking recently about Kindles and iPads. I told them about the DRM. Neither of them knew what DRM stood for, so I had to explain. Neither of them had heard of the infamous incident involving Orwell's 1984. Neither of them knew about the history of DRM'd media becoming unplayable within 5 years after people buy it, because the company running the DRM dies or abandons the project.

    Once people are educated about the issues, then it's up to them. If they buy a locked-down device, that's their decision. They know what they're getting into. We all buy coffee pots and wristwatches without any expectation that we'll be allowed to load arbitrary software into their CPUs. Everybody just has to draw their own individual line between the devices where they care about lockdown and the devices where they don't.

    The crunchgear article has some major logical flaws. The author states, "Lastly, I would like to humbly thank Apple, Sony, Microsoft, and all the others, for creating wonderful devices which I plan to enjoy to the fullest extent." In other words, he's bought these locked-down devices, and now he has to find some way to justify buying them, even though he's unhappy with the EULAs. "A popular objection is that one doesn't have to buy the devices that happen to be wrapped up in restrictive systems or deliberately limited. Vote with your wallet, right? [***] Sure, and even when you jailbreak or mod, you are doing just that. You bought the device most suited to your needs." At the point where I inserted the [***] there is a major gap in his logic. He's paid money to these companies. He has voted with his wallet. He's cast his vote in favor of locked-down devices. He didn't buy the device most suited to his needs. He bought a device that was unsuited to his needs, and then modified it in order to suit his needs. He also ignores the very real practical consequences of modding and jailbreaking. The manufacturer is almost certainly never going to give him warranty service, and some of them may actually intentionally or unintentionally brick his device when it phones home for software updates.

    Here are a couple of proposals that I'd consider more realistic. Both of these really do involve voting with your wallet. (1) If there are no options that avoid DRM and lockdowns, don't buy. This is my current attitude about the Kindle and iPod. I'll buy one when there is a non-DRM'd library of books available for it that is roughly the same size as Amazon's current catalog. (2) Buy the lesser of two evils. E.g., I believe Android is significantly less locked down than iPhone, so if I were choosing between the two, I'd buy an Android.

  13. As a developer, there is an annual fee. by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a developer, you are free to upload any app you write to your phone.

    As a developer, there is an annual fee. This fee over the estimated 5-year useful life of a device often exceeds the retail price of the device itself. Do you understand the complaints about XNA and iPhone OS now?

    1. Re:As a developer, there is an annual fee. by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, not really. How much do you think it costs to develop games for the PS3 or XBox 360? Developing professionally for those platforms costs thousands of dollars. PS3 did have the Linux option, now gone, and XBox 360 does have hobbyist options, but if you actually want to release games to the public, you're not talking the retail price of the device, you're talking thousands. I don't see why it's so hard to grasp the iPhone is not, and was never intended to be, a general-purpose computing device. The development model, OS and user experience are designed to bring console-style simplicity and reliability to a smartphone. It works, and everyone is really happy with it, other than a few geeks who just can't grasp that it's not designed to be a really really small laptop. That's why Apple keep such a tight grasp on what goes on the device, how it's programmed etc., so it doesn't descend into a mess. It's also way, way cheaper to develop for than consoles.

    2. Re:As a developer, there is an annual fee. by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Console like simplicity is good for most typical users, but it effectively excludes the more technical class of users who want more control. In that respect, current games consoles and ipad/iphone go too far one way, while something like windows that requires you to deal with updates, drivers and anti malware protection etc goes too far in the other.

      A compromise more like the Amiga would be better - typical users could boot the machine directly into a game or specific apps either from floppy or cd on certain models, while more technically literate users could boot up into workbench etc.

      Don't alienate the geeks when making products suitable for end users.

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    3. Re:As a developer, there is an annual fee. by mswhippingboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everything you say is absolutely correct. In effect, you never really own an iPhone. You are just licensing the use of Apples hardware/software and you have zilch to say about the decisions Apple makes regarding what that will/wont allow to be done to the device, and even what platform and languages you use to develop for the device.
      Which is why, as a developer, I can't imagine the draw to develop for the iPhad platform (the potential for riches is greatly overrated), when there is an alternative.

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    4. Re:As a developer, there is an annual fee. by Bakkster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see why it's so hard to grasp the iPhone is not, and was never intended to be, a general-purpose computing device. The development model, OS and user experience are designed to bring console-style simplicity and reliability to a smartphone. It works, and everyone is really happy with it, other than a few geeks who just can't grasp that it's not designed to be a really really small laptop.

      Agreed. If you buy an iPhone when you really wanted an Android phone, or an XBox 360 when you wanted a PC, or any number of other closed-platform solutions when what you wanted was an open-platform you have only yourself to blame.

      After you have bought the device that doesn't fit your requirements is the wrong time to complain about it. Either don't buy it, or deal with the limitations. Simply buying the closed device and then complaining that it's closed continues to funnel money towards that closed platform, and away from the open platform you should have purchased instead. Suddenly, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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    5. Re:As a developer, there is an annual fee. by dzfoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These aren't products "suitable for end users", these are products specifically designed for and targeted to end users.

              -dZ.

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    6. Re:As a developer, there is an annual fee. by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much do you think it costs to develop games for the PS3 or XBox 360? Developing professionally for those platforms costs thousands of dollars.

      Don't you see that as a problem? If I wish to develop something for use on the console that I own, I should be able to do that. If other people find it valuable and want to pay me for a copy, I should be able to let them do that. At no point should I have to ask permission from anyone or pay anyone.

      To use the venerable car analogy, if I want to manufacture after-market addons for a car I should not have to ask GM for permission or pay them any sort of fee.

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  14. Re:Finally! A Whitelist! by jabjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't any repository a whitelist?

  15. Apple and Sony are not comparable by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In Apple's case, jailbreaking is to open up a closed device. Of course, anyone buying an Apple iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad just because you can jailbreak it and do what you want is pretty stupid - there are millions of other devices out there that are perfectly open. Jailbreaking is a bonus to make a nice device even better. But one should not be under any pretenses that it's sanctioned nor available everywhere (e.g., the second run iPhone 3GS require re-jailbreaking every time you reboot it).

    In Sony's case, they're removing an advertised feature. In which case, "jailbreaking" is to get back what Sony sold me.

    Apple never sold me anything on the basis that it can be jailbroken - the features and restrictions thereof have been known at the time of purchase. I still use them because they're pretty nice devices, and all are jailbroken because I might as well do it and enjoy the nice bonus.

    Sony sold me a PS3 on the belief it has a certain set of features, namely, OtherOS. Now they're taking away that feature, so I am entitled to do whatever it takes to get back the same featureset that Sony offered when it sold it to me.

    In one case, jailbreaking gets you more stuff. In the other, jailbreaking is to get back stuff you bought. Hell, Apple's rolled out more features for my iPhone than came with it when I bought it. Sony's pretty much ensured launch unit PS3s still command original selling prices on the used market by removing stuff every hardware revision. Heck, even the Xbox360 gained features on newer revisions (HDMI output...).

    And yes, while I believe you can do anything you want with hardware, I also don't buy hardware just because someone's already hacked it, but whether or not that device without hacking would be useful to me. If I have two similar devices then the availability of a hack might sway me one way or another, but it's never a checklist item.

  16. Don't Buy It by npsimons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buy it for what it is, or don't buy it at all. Your choices don't get any more granular than that. - Mark Pilgrim on the iPhone

    I'll never get this obsession with buying Apple products - supposedly it's because they "just work", but when you have to void the warranty to get it to do what you want it to do, you're obviously admitting that it doesn't "just work". Why buy it when you can get something that is designed to be open and hackable?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for hacking and modding and sticking it to the man, but since when is forking over your hard earned cash (to the man, no less) for a device that is hack-hostile "sticking it to the man"? Why not instead encourage companies that are encouraging you to be more than a consumer?

  17. Re:Slashdot modded by petulant children these days by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ya gotta love the sensitivity of the slashdot children when you criticize anything about their firefox blankey.

    ..when you go out of your way to criticize firefox on a topic that has nothing to do with firefox. Yeah, I know, like petulant little children, all modding that off topic flamebaiting as off topic, the nerve! They're almost as bad as [insert group here] when I go into one of their [rallies/forums/other place of gathering or discussion] and talk trash on [insert unrelated subject that happens to be viewed favorably by a good number of said partisans].

  18. One Word by argontechnologies · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nokia N900 built on Maemo (Debian Linux)..... Ahh shit, thats 7 words. As soon as I've got a couple more apps ported to it, my Jailbroken iphone goes to the wayside!

  19. IPhone vs. Android Review - In Reality by MogNuts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's end the Apple myth. I see all these planted and biased reviews, and I can't take it. They're just garbage and they're feeding the Apple image, which frankly isn't true. I recently used an IPhone, AND an Android phone. Both phones for a month (not 2 days like most reviewers). Let me precede that both are pretty darn good. But the IPhone isn't better. Here are my findings as to what is better about each over the other:

    IPhone

    1. Appearance of "smoothness." Notice I said "appearance." They're both just as quick, it's just that the IPhone has better visual animations in the interim to distract you to make you think that's its immediate. It's really not as quick as you think between actions.

    2. Touch screen works the way you think. This feature isn't better, only different. Once you get used to either phone, it doesn't matter. With the IPhone, when you press something, adjusts to where you really think you're pointing, whereas in Android, it's where your finger actually rests and makes contact with the capacitive screen.

    Android

    1. Probably the most amazing and useful feature ever in a phone--auto synchronization between Gmail, Google calendar, contacts, and photos. Yes blah blah Mobile Me. Well Google is free--Apple is $100/yr. And please, the functionality and features of Gmail and Google calendar absolutely crap on the lame excuse of the Apple offerings. Don't even try to argue this one.

    2. Free turn-by-turn GPS. Killer feature here. Saves you like $15/mo for navigation. That's big. And I could never justify 15/mo when I could navigate myself with Mapquest. Well now that I use it, it's amazing, and I still can't justify the 15/mo for it, but I can justify getting an Android phone over Apple for it.

    3. Free tethering. This feature is huge. You're paying for a data plan either way, but at least with Android you don't need to shell out another 60 per month for a wireless cell service just because Apple says "Because I say so."

    4. Higher resolution. Makes text to much more readable and the difference in image quality is like night and day between the two.

    5. The ability to use it as a mass storage device, with a removable Micro SD card. Droid has 16gb worth to store.

    6. User-replaceable battery. No $60 rip-off price and driving to an Apple store to get a new battery installed. And tell me this, one day your IPhone will freeze. Not if, but when (all software does). Do you want to be out a few days just to gain use of your phone when it won't restart via software? When with Android, all you have to do is pull the battery out? This one is a scary demerit for Apple.

    7. I can install what I want. I'm not told I can't use tethering. Killer features then the IPhone doesn't have: tethering and VoIP (and I mean on a cell network, NOT over wifi--wifi is useless if you're out of your house, and NO I'm not going to travel to Starbucks to use VoIP, no matter how plentiful they are).

    8. Finally, the last game changer and killer feature Android has over the competition: voice to text translation, in all fields (especially text messages). I've never seen a voice-to-text program since the early 90s that actually worked well. I can't believe it, but Google's does. I barely even use the keyboard when sending texts anymore.

    And to address all the "b-b-but !", no, Jailbreaking is NOT a solution. It just isn't. The average person doesn't know how to do it, the average person technically inclined who actually has a job can't be bothered, and I'm not voiding my warranty or preventing myself from getting updates for it.

    As you can see, the baseline of each phone is pretty equal. But the only features that the IPhone excels at are weak. Androids superior features are pretty much game changers. I only hope that at least some people read this to know how the products REALLY compare.

    Go ahead now, mod me down into oblivion.