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Colleague Comes Forward To Defend Anthrax Suspect
Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times writes about Henry S. Heine, a former Army microbiologist who worked for years with Bruce E. Ivins, whom the FBI has blamed for the anthrax letter attacks that killed five people in 2001. Heine told a 16-member National Academy of Sciences panel reviewing the FBI's scientific work on the investigation that he believes it is impossible that the deadly spores could have been produced undetected in Ivins's laboratory, as the FBI asserts. Heine told the panel that producing the quantity of spores in the letters would have taken at least a year of intensive work using the equipment at the army lab, an effort that would not have escaped colleagues' notice. Lab technicians who worked closely with Ivins have told Heine they saw no such work. Heine adds that, in addition, the biological containment measures where Ivins worked were inadequate to prevent the spores from floating out of the laboratory into animal cages and offices. 'You'd have had dead animals or dead people.' Asked why he is speaking out now, almost two years after Ivins's suicide, Heine says that Army officials had prohibited comment on the case, silencing him until he left the government laboratory. Although Heine does not dispute that there was a genetic link between the spores in the letters and the anthrax in Ivins's flask, Heine says samples from the flask were widely shared. 'Whoever did this is still running around out there. I truly believe that.'"
...is generally not that deadly. My uncle used to deal with cattle with black leg all the time. This story is ONCE AGAIN blown out of proportion--thanks, FBI.
Army officials had prohibited comment on the case, silencing him until he left the government laboratory.
I'm sure he told the Army & FBI about this. Sounds like anthrax killed a scapegoat named Bruce E. Ivins to me.
Nobody OD's on Tylenol in order to commit suicide. It's too ugly and painful. There are much quicker ways.
cover up?
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
And no one who was paying attention to the original details of the story are surprised.
Whether or not there is some sort of god, I'm not supposed to say/god is a word and the argument ends there-Smog
So a strain of Anthrax, developed by the US Military, get's mailed to a Democratic senator, and a high profile journalist, about a month after 9/11. After years of "investigating" they blame a dead guy who can't defend himself.
This is a case that will never be solved because whoever it was in the government that did it, has covered their tracks.
The Atlantic has a really interesting article about the FBI's multi-year investigation of Stephen Hatfill for the same crime.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/04/the-wrong-man/8019
So that is two men the US Government accused of the Anthrax attacks, one of which killed himself and the second almost did. Neither with any real evidence other than vague coincidences. Just goes to show that when the pressure to solve an investigation goes to such extremes mistakes are bound to happen.
I think we should ask about the state's method. In one case they intentionally harassed a suspect by releasing his name to the media, conducting multiple searches, and following him around 24/7 and even having local law enforcement arrest him multiple times on silly charges.
In any other country that has some kind of independent police watchdog you would have consequences but in the US where law enforcement seem to be above the law and "investigate" (ha ha) themselves they just get worse and worse year after year.
Not a particularly poweful opiate. Not enough to cause death in the doses found in Tylenol with codeine. The APAP is what got him.
The stories and info posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only fools would take it as fact.
Everyone is assuming that all that weaponized anthrax came from the lab by its genetic makeup. Its possible only a sample was taken, and "mass produced" elsewhere. Yeah, it takes "special equipment", but its not like you need nuclear tools or there's only 7 machines in the world like it. Like the Kennedy assassination, and 9/11, we're never going to get the complete truth out of this.
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I didn't know Alex Jones was a slashdot member.
The 'noticed' part refers to the amount of time and resources nesseary to product the ammount that went out. A whole year or so of overtime using specific equipment day in and day out.
Glenn Greenwald has been writing about the anthrax issue for a while... check him out: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax and http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/03/04/anthrax/index.html and http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/08/04/anthrax/ and http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2007/04/09/abc_anthrax/index.html for starters
The Atlantic magazine just published a really eye-opening article on Steven Hatfill, the FBI's first suspect. It is very clear from the article that the FBI was hell-bent on finding a perpetrator of the crime even in the absence of any solid evidence. It's an interesting and frightening read about how the FBI could completely destroy your job, your friends, your day-to-day life, and your family if they falsely accuse you of a crime.
People are not nearly as observant as they think they are. Been proven time and time again. People always think they "know" a person or they are certain of what the saw or didn't see. Multiple psychological studies have shown that people's certainty has little to no correlation with reality.
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Tylenol + Codeine only has about 30 mg of codeine. A minimum lethal dose of codeine is at about 800 mg. That means he would have had to swallow almost 30 pills to die. As the GP said, that's a ridiculous way to suicide.
How often do folks come forward to say that they can't imagine that their associate/friend/neighbor/spouse couldn't have done the crime. Sometimes they're right and their wrong.
Riight. Because only a paranoid schizophrenic would find this at all suspicious. Do you work for the FBI, or are you just naturally trusting?
The simplest explanation is that a highly trained and successful microbiologist found the time and equipment to culture, weaponize, and distribute anthrax in his spare time while still maintaining his normal duties without arising any suspicion from his peers, and then proceeded to kill himself in just about the slowest, most inefficient, and most painful way possible.
Now I'm not saying there's no way it's true, but it smells fishy enough to warrant looking further into in my opinion.
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No it screams government incompetence. Someone sent the samples. The FBI jumped to conclusions and harassed a man to death that they thought was a suspect.
It's not the first time. Remember Richard Jewell? After he saved countless lives by noticing a suspicious backpack and evacuating the area around it in Centennial Olympic Park, he was first hailed as a hero. The FBI investigated him for no other reason than he fit the profile of a lone bomber despite having no background with bomb making. What's worse is that he FBI leaked that he was a suspect. After a trial in the media and having all his possessions thoroughly search by the FBI, it wasn't until months later that a US Attorney (and not the FBI) declared he was no longer a suspect. Years later Eric Rudolph admitted he planted the bombs.
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Anthrax cover-up on line one !
Yeah I got that, I was really just expanding on what you had posted.
The stories and info posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only fools would take it as fact.
Just to clarify,
Seth
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It was done by rogue elements inside the government who wanted that patriot act passed, plus as a warning to journalists/newsies to never investigate beyond what the government official fairy tale story is on important events, such as 9-11. The mainstream press has just ceased doing any investigative reporting where it could contradict what the official party line is. And you don't need tinfoil, false flag events, using agent provocateurs, etc are SOP with government(s) going way way back, from small town police forces all the way to the top of the military industrial complex. Look at Viet Nam, a huge war promoted in part on a huge lie, the "gulf of tonkin" attack. War is big business, the security police state is big business, and then you have to look at "who profits" the most politically from having US boots on the ground all over the middle east (hint: proxy fighting forces for a regime that is untouchable politically inside the US)
what did you think of last night's episode of "fringe"?
isn't it great the truth is finally coming out?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The FBI already did this to another guy.
They smeared and squeezed Steven Hatfill for several years. Ashcroft accused him publicly. They shadowed him 24-7. He lost all work and most friends. He is innocent.
The only reason he didn't commit suicide from the harassment was that, "If I would've killed myself, I would've been automatically judged by the press and the FBI to be guilty."
Don't take my word for it, read it here.
I agree I shall use it when ever a douchebag mis-moderates someone. We shall use this phrase to strike fear into the heart of douchebags across the land. Come with me brothers its time to turn the tides and take back the /. that used to be (or something)
You forgot to mention that Cipro was distributed to "people who matter" in the government weeks in advance, and nobody is willing to explain this or even ask why it was done.
New book and film on Ivins frame-up, military-industrial- terror-complex and the mysterious deaths of other anthrax scientists. Anthrax War by Bob Coen and Eric Nadler (brother of US Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) www.anthraxwar.com
Actually, that article only looks at only eight out of ten hand picked occupations.. Further in the article, "When you look at the actual duties, you see that very few federal jobs align with those in the private sector," she says. She says federal employees are paid an average of 26% less than non-federal workers doing comparable work."
My point is that people are busy with their own priorities and do not in fact notice what other people are or are not doing - even if they think they do.
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