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Israel Repeals iPad Ban
SillySilly writes "The ban has been lifted: The Communications Ministry announced Saturday evening that starting Sunday it will allow Apple's iPad tablet computer into the country, following two weeks of confiscations and confusion."
Well you know what the nation of Israel is like, they're always initially suspicious of new tablets. But they come around in the end.
At least they finally got it tested so it proved what it said. Isralies are picky to a fault.
But you can't ship 'em in yet. Limit's only one per person, so no gifting yet.
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Apple doesn't have enough supply of the iPad to do a worldwide release because they're delaying American shipments and imposing purchasing limits on large buyers. As a result, they didn't do international standards testing because they aren't selling it everywhere yet. It looks like Israel was the only nation to make a big no-importing stink over the uncertified status... so really this Apple cleaning up a problem caused by excessive demand, something they should be used to by now.
The order came from Communications Minister Moshe Kahlon, who apparently hadn?t been appraised of the initial decision to ban the devices due to their wireless specifications.
Make sense now?
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Because Israel either (1) realized that it didn't really violate their standards as they thought or (2) realized that their standards are not enforceable because they are incorrectly set. The iPad follows the same Wi-Fi standards as other devices like laptops. Some test after the whole fiasco that the iPad actually emits less than an average US laptop. So if the iPad was in violation then Israel should be confiscating all US made laptops at the border.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
If the device violates their wireless standards then why the hell should they allow it to operate in their country?
It shouldn't. But it doesn't.
The whole issue was that it was untested. That was it. As with any bureaucracy, rules must be obeyed even if in the end the result is the same.
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Apple's iPad tablet computer
I don't really consider the iPad to be much of a computer.
Everything that intentionally emits a wireless signal has to have a prototype sent to the FCC here in the USA. We typically learn of new Apple iPhone/iPad products just before they're submitted to the FCC because once they hit the FCC they'd become public record at that point anyway.
Israel's complaint was mostly due to a lack of a seal of approval that the iPad now has. Nothing wrong with the device, just need to show one to the approved lab and pay the fee.
You mean Chinese made. The only thing exported from stateside these days are Britney Spears videos.
US made laptops -- Got a link?
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Sometimes it seems like Slashdot posts stories about Israel for no other reason than to get people to start arguing. Come to think of it, the same goes for Apple.
Why does anyone need to know this? There's really not much discussion you can have about "this country lets you bring iPads" in, before this whole pages inevitably devolves into endless flaming about 1) Israel's foreign policy and/or 2) how the iPad sucks because it's a closed platform or whatever.
I'm just saying, it'd be cool if the editors stopped and asked themselves, "Are we posting this because it's important news that people should know, or are we posting it because we want to watch it draw trolls like moths to a flame?". This story is firmly in category 2.
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I don't really consider the iPad to be much of a computer.
And many don't consider the computer (as we know it) to be much of a tablet.
The difference is what makes it better, and why they seem to be succeeding when other tablet efforts have come out flat.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You mean Chinese made. The only thing exported from stateside these days are Britney Spears videos.
I think her kids are also locally sourced... but I don't follow that stuff too closely because, hey, none of it's spilling my direction..
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And are we going to discuss this matter for each of the 188 countries or at least 50 of them?
How important is the small market there that this is being discussed all over the internet?
...following two weeks of confiscations and confusion.
Clearly, someone didn't feel like just waiting in line for their own, eh?
I resent the insinuation that anyone who has something negative to say about Apple or Israel is somehow a troll.
If you can't have an intelligent conversation about the merits and demerits of a technology, maybe this isn't the site for you
The problem is that people posts have nothing to due with technology. (Some do but how many post can you get out of Israel now allows the ipad?)
Instead, we hear about how they are building homes in places we think they shouldn't or how they are murders of innocent Palestinians.
If you want to bash Israel, at least keep it technology related, but hate does not usually allow one to restrain oneself.
> If your iPad was confiscated by customs officials
> atBen-Gurion International Airport, you can now
> pick it up
Questions:
* did that affect people travelling to Israel as tourists or just locals returning home with a product from overseas who declared it at customs ?
* if you were a tourist, was your iPad returned when you left the country ?
* if not, do you have to go back to Israel to get it returned or can they ship it to you ?
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The same could be said about Australia any time it's government does anything stupid related to technology, thus I suggest growing up.
We are not all out to get you.
Its interesting that the same President that see racism in the legitimate actions of the Cambridge Police and the State of Arizona, hides the anti-Semitic prose of its National Security Adviser.
You will know racism is sufficiently dead when we can tell jokes again. I don't know if James Jones is actually anti-semitic, but telling a joke about a race does not alone make one racist, any more than telling a blonde joke makes someone anti-blonde.
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er...Jew is a race. "Real" Jews can in fact be identified by DNA.
http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry-dna-testing/jewish-dna.html
We typically learn of new Apple iPhone/iPad products just before they're submitted to the FCC because once they hit the FCC they'd become public record at that point anyway.
Actually the FCC will handle equipment testing and acceptance confidentially. The process takes quite some time (months) so confidential testing and processing helps prevent early disclosure of products. Also, many devices like the iPad do not require new certifications because they will simply integrate a pre-existing radio module that has already been though the process.
I am a geek attorney, but not your geek attorney unless you've already retained me. This is not legal advice.
Really that's just a story about an idiot that thinks he should start a presentation with an ethnic joke. It doesn't matter enough to make much fuss over because you can be sure that such an idiot doesn't do much of the real work.
If you believe that, this Jon Stewart movie is a must-watch. Besides being hilarious, it points out the obvious fact that the best way to fix the trade deficit is to improve the standard of living in other countries.
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I am cool with that. But at least the editors could be honest and use a humanity story. There are plenty to choose from.
Add to that the usually ignored fact that it was Israeli land that was occupied by Jordan and Egypt for 19 years before the Jordanian and Egyptian occupation was lifted.
Funny how during those 19 years of Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and Egyptian occupation of Gaza that nobody ever suggested a Palestinian state in those occupied territories. And that during those 19 years (and the 40 years since then) the 400,000 or so refugees from the 1948 war were kept blocked up in the "camps" and not allowed to disperse among their Muslim brethren, nor those from the West Bank area and Gaza allowed to return to their homes in the West Bank and Gaza, as all other refugees from all other wars all over the world do.
once they hit the FCC they'd become public record at that point anyway.
You can actually pay extra to the FCC to have them keep it a secret until the product is released. Apple doesn't trust the FCC to be able to keep a secret, so they do announce the products before sending them to the FCC. And frankly they don't trust the FCC for a good reason: the FCC really can't keep a secret, someone will get a secret picture of it or something.
Qxe4
Yeah... like how that iconic picture of the 12-year-old Mohammad al-Dura screaming in terror moments before he was brutally murdered was finally proven to be a staged "Pallywood" production. Or driving the Palestinians out of their homes in Jerusalem. Oh, you mean those Jewish homes purchased over 100 years ago, whose owners the Jordanians drove out, renting the homes to Arabs and holding the rent in "escrow" for the legal Jewish owners? Until the Arabs stopped paying the rent and tried to claim the homes as theirs? And finally got evicted for not paying rent for years? Wish I could live in a rental house and then decide to just stop paying the rent and get to claim title to the house.
Or how about building some apartment buildings in a Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem that in no way expands the borders of said Jewish neighborhood? Well, I guess facts really aren't all that much fun, are they? After all, "thousands of illegal settlements driving the Palestinians off their land" sounds a lot more exciting than "Jews legally building apartments in their own neighborhoods".
The iPad is now KOSHER!!!
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Everything that intentionally emits a wireless signal has to have a prototype sent to the FCC here in the USA.
That's only if you plan on using it in the USA, without a licence that makes it exempt from FCC approval. A lot of phones available in Europe aren't FCC-tested, because there's no point shipping them to the US since they don't have the infrastructure to use them.
Sure. Post one of those stories and we can talk about it. Posting an iphone story just so we can talk Israel politics is dishonest.
Wow, apparently you didn't read my post, because I explained why Apple doesn't go for the secrecy option (that is, the FCC has trouble keeping secrets even when they try. If you don't remember, Amazon's Kindle was revealed from the FCC even though they went for the extra secrecy protection). Apple reveals their products before the file at the FCC.
Qxe4
Wow. You're right. I didn't actually read your post.
Please allow me to retract my previous statement, and insist that the immediate unavailability of vodka combined with a fright of the forthcoming Monday must have clouded my vision and thoughts.
Kid-proof tablet..
You might be a troll if your idea of infrastructure tends to foot bridges with curiously large abutments.
Israel's complaint was mostly due to a lack of a seal of approval that the iPad now has. Nothing wrong with the device, just need to show one to the approved lab and pay the fee.
Are you sure? Name another WiFi device that Israel prohibited personal imports of.
Is it not possible that the reason this WiFi device was singled out for prevention of personal importation a day or two after Apple delayed the international release is because the authorized Apple importer for Israel is well-connected within the Israeli government?
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True. But then, that's often how a conversation goes; starts on one point and segues to something else. The iPad story is legitimate, and receives its share of conversation. Every post has interesting side channels to the conversation.
I think the bigger question is how 1,000's of other foreign products go in without any problems. Why was the iPad singled out? If I take my new HTC phone fresh from Taiwan and unlicensed in Israel, they are not going to seize it.
Time offers an explanation:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1983236,00.html
"It is worth noting," Etengoff wrote, "that Apple's Israeli distributor, iDigital, is run by Chemi Peres, the hyper-entrepreneurial son of Israeli President Shimon Peres.
"Clearly, iDigital wants its lucrative cut of every iPad brought into the country — which it will undoubtedly receive when a modified European version of the iPad is approved for import over the next two or three months.
This question baffled me too until I read a Jerusalem Post article.
Sorry, it was meant to be hyperlinked http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=173945
Shimon Peres - Israeli President, Chemi Peres - son of Israeli President who happens to run iDigital, iDigital - Apple's Israeli distributor
If you're prone to think such thoughts it appears that there would an ulterior motive ($$) for the ban on the iPad. I live in Beirut and the iPad has been here for a couple of weeks now, but the prices are astronomical, they're basically double of what the US retail price is. Best as I can figure is that people are purchasing them from the US and shipping them over to Lebanon. Add on VAT and import fees and double the price so a profit is made and you get as 16GB model for just over $1,000 USD. I almost gagged when I heard the cost for the 64GB model. I am not sure when the iPad will officially make it to Lebanon through the handful of shops that retail Apple products but I sincerely hope the prices go down when it does.
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"The whole issue was that it was untested. That was it. As with any bureaucracy, rules must be obeyed even if in the end the result is the same."
Indeed, though I'd go further than saying it is true of bureaucracies to any organisation or nation. Would the USA trust a device made in China (for example) if the Chinese government said they'd tested it? Probably not. Would a US company (say Ford, or Cisco, or Apple) trust a foreign made device because the Chinese/Italian/Kazakh/whatever makers said they'd tested it? Probably not.
I suppose it's down to a> how much you trust the people who tell you they've tested it and b> how much trouble you'll be in if it goes wrong and you've just taken somebody else's word that it's safe/within correct bounds when it actually proves to not be so.
I should imagine in the USA with the whole run-by-lawyers culture, sue-you-for-anything there's a lot of pressure to do your own testing to make sure devices do actually behave how they are meant to. Not sure what the drive is in Israel but I guess it's perfectly believable similar pressures happen there.
Nah, apple prefers announcing products by forgetting prototypes in a bar :)... like they did with the 4G prototype :)
Never antropomorphize computers, they do not like that
er...Jew is a race. "Real" Jews can in fact be identified by DNA.
There's DNA you may identify was "jew", but things are not that simple.
The moment you make such connection a rule, you'll end up with things like jew families who are no longer jews and weird things like christian jews.
This whole debate of who is a jew is a mess. If you want to know more, you may start here and here.
Don't forget you are dealing with a group that makes "The Family" look kind at times and they have both lots of desert and a very nice body of water to hide stuff. If the Massad wanted to get a shipping container of iPads for whatever reason most likely they would just ask for them (and get them) or they would just "vanish".
Just remember if you go far enough back both groups involved are in fact Family.
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Also, many devices like the iPad do not require new certifications because they will simply integrate a pre-existing radio module that has already been though the process.
While this can happen, depending on the enclosure of the device the FCC can still elect for full testing. You still need to submit, and they can approve purely on similarity, but all the little metal bits can cause a compliant radio to become non-compliant. Think of a parabolic reflector, and that's a simple way to make a compliant device non-compliant.
I'm pretty sure that with Apple's R&D budget and their limited space, the iPad probably didn't use an off-the-shelf radio module.
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And that won't just fix trade deficits, but ease rampant immigration issues, and mitigate the likelihood of conflicts. Happy people are less likely to move somewhere else, or start fights.
By "the approved lab", I think he meant whatever the local equivalent certification body happens to be.
If you're going to buy an Apple to use an Apple, why would you make it run like an orange?
Because not all applications on which a business depends are available for Mac OS X. That's why Orange Micro used to sell single-board PCs that fit in one of a Mac's slots. This was faster than the emulation that was otherwise required before Apple switched to x86 CPUs.
Actually I think this is an ad-driven rather than user-driven site. Unfortunately "man bites dog" will always sell more clicks than "dog bites man", you're unlikely to see true balance while salacious stories generate more revenue, though admittedly it's better than a lot of what else is out there.
Because I can tell you right now that if you buy a mac you not only get the development tools for it (as well as the iPod touch, iPhone and iPad) for free
So if you have an iPad and you currently sync it with a PC, you need to buy a Mac mini and a subscription to a service that costs $99 per year (iPhone developer program) in order to turn your iPad into a computer. Otherwise, the iPad is called an "appliance". Your microwave oven has a microprocessor, but do you ordinarily think of it as a "computer"?
> So if the iPad was in violation then Israel should be confiscating all US made laptops at the border.
Jokes on you.. I don't think there are any laptops made in the US, then again, neither is the iPad
[Yeah, I'm sure there is probably at least 1 brand that IS actually made in the US.. if you're reading the above line and getting upset, you need to find something better get worked up over]
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Well, you need to make me happy by giving me 25% of your wealth. I guess since you believe in the spread_the_wealth_around philosophy you won't have any problem with my request.
If you do, I'll petition Obama to make you give me your wealth. He likes taking wealth from one person and giving it to someone else. He calls that charity on the part of the person from whom he takes money. So, I want him to make you charitable, whether you like it or not.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that 'trade' is equivalent to 'spreading the wealth.' This is an unfortunate connection to make, because trade actually makes both sides richer, it gives them both something they want more in exchange for something they want less. Improving the standard of living around the world is not charity.
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As with ANY bureaucracy
Indeed, though I'd go further than saying it is true of bureaucracies to any organisation or nation.
Which part of my "ANY" was not clear?
It's hard to go further when I was already at the end of the line waiting.
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I don't think the Chinese have much to fear on the guns front but they definitely don't like their citizens to have certain information.
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You're right it's not charity. It's not trade either, when the jobs used to be American jobs. It's stealing jobs from the citizens of the US and then giving them to the citizens of another country. It's enriching a citizen of another country at the expense of your own citizens. It's enriching another country at your own country's expense. Seems pretty self-defeating to me. Bankrupting yourself to "help" someone else is never a good thing. It's irresponsible at best.
That was the point of my post. What socialists see as "charity" isn't charity. Charity is the generosity that lives in the heart of the individual doing the giving. A third party taking money from your pocket, and/or mine, and giving it to someone else isn't charity. When it's the government doing it, it's theft at the point of a gun.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
Yawn. Go read a book about economics. International trade always balances itself out in the end, and in the end creates more jobs for both sides, all throughout history. And there have always been protectionist alarmists such as yourself, who lacked understanding of basic facts, and they've always been wrong. Jobs always move.
For an introduction to reality (assuming you are the kind of person who likes to educate himself), check out the Smoot-Hawley Tariff act. In the short term it seemed like a good idea, as production in the US increased it protected US jobs, but in the not-so-short term it was horrible and was one of the contributing factors to the length of the great depression.
Qxe4
Yawn, FDR's social justice policies had more to do with extending the Great Depression than any tariff. IOW's, massive increases in government size, spending and increased taxes hurt the economy more than anything else.
And, no, jobs don't decide to move. Organizations decide to move jobs based on greed, and the government makes it easy for them.
And, yes, our country is in fine economic shape. We only have approximately 1/5 of our workers without jobs. Ah, just a drop in the bucket. No big deal according to you.... Who needs an employed workforce? We'll just sell our products to those people who don't have any money....
I say that's a whole lot of people not buying anything other than what's needed to survive. The engine that makes the economy go is broken. Why? At least in part because greedy idiots thought they could make more money for themselves by sending the fuel for the US economy's engine out of country. Mortgage crisis? In part because the jobs to pay for those mortgages went to some other country.
Yup. Real great thinking. Let's cut off our nose to spite our face.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
it just takes time for Israelis to read and understand the contents of the English written user manual ... j/k :)
we only use basic English words: "Like", "Facebook", "Comment", "Download"