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Parody and Satire Videos, Which Is Fair Use?

Hugh Pickens writes "Ben Sheffner writes that both sides in Don Henley's lawsuit against California US Senate candidate Chuck DeVore (R) over campaign 'parody' videos that used Henley's tunes set to lyrics mocking Sen. Barbara Boxer (D) have now filed cross-motions for summary judgment, teeing up a case that will likely clarify the rules for political uses of third-party material. The motions focus largely on one issue: whether the videos, which use the compositions 'The Boys of Summer' and 'All She Wants to do is Dance,' are 'parodies,' and thus likely fair uses, or, rather, unprivileged 'satires.' The Supreme Court in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994), said that a parody comments on the work itself; a satire uses the work to comment on something else, so for Henley, this is a simple case: DeVore's videos do not comment on Henley's songs but use Henley's songs to mock Boxer. DeVore argues that his videos do indeed target Henley, who has long been identified with liberal and Democratic causes, and asserts that the campaign chose to use Henley's songs for precisely that reason. 'DeVore's videos target Henley only in the loosest sense,' writes Sheffner, 'and his brief's arguments ... sound dangerously close to the post hoc rationalizations dismissed as "pure shtick" and "completely unconvincing" by the Ninth Circuit in Dr. Seuss Enters. v. Penguin Books USA, Inc., 109 F.3d 1394 (1997).' The case also bears directly on the recent removal of the 'Downfall' clips from YouTube where many journalists have almost automatically labeled the removed videos 'parodies' while the vast majority aren't, says Sheffner."

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  1. Political speach by HungryHobo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was under the impression that for the most part political speech enjoyed a far higher level of protection than most and this seems to fall very clearly into that category.

    1. Re:Political speach by elnyka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was under the impression that for the most part political speech enjoyed a far higher level of protection than most and this seems to fall very clearly into that category.

      You are confusing freedom of speech (politically motivated and otherwise) with fair use. Imagine for example (and just for shits and giggles) that during the last presidential elections, the Republican party decides to make a satire of Obama at the tunes of, say, one of Michael Jackson's songs (say, "Beat It".) You could alter the roles with the Democratic party making a satire of McCain/Palin (as well as changing the name of the artist and type of art being used) but the essence is the same - a satire and form of political speech using copyrighted material without parodying the copyrighted material herein used.

      It would be legally reasonable that the Jackson's camp would be entitled for monetary fees due to the usage of those songs for purposes other than parodying the song and the artist. The law would recognize the artist' claim (which should not be construed as an attack to freedom of speech.)

      As for the analogy with the removal of the Hitler parody videos, I'm sad to see them go, but the law is clear in that satires are not protected in the same way parodies are (wrt of using copyrighted material). None of this should be construed either as an attack to freedom of speech in the form of satire or parody.

      Unfortunately, the law is (or seems to be) clear on this. I hope that someday (sooner I hope) the law gets amended so that satires done for non-commercial purposes get the same protection wrt copyrighted materials (at least so that we can all enjoy Hitler going at it for lolcatz sake).

    2. Re:Political speach by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was under the impression that for the most part political speech enjoyed a far higher level of protection than most and this seems to fall very clearly into that category.

      I don't think there's any legal precedent concerning freedom of political speech versus possible copyright violation, which is what makes this case interesting and important to watch.

      As far as the Downfall bunker scene meme goes, the author is right--almost none of those videos are actual parodies of the movie. They're satire of an entirely different subject, which is not protected as fair use and makes them vulnerable to a takedown notice. I still think the producers are being short-sighted by doing it, however, because it's been priceless advertising for what was otherwise an obscure German-language film. I'd never heard of it until I started seeing the clips on YouTube but I ended up renting it.

      Disclaimer: IANAL, just an interested layman.

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  2. ..political uses of third-party material.. by countertrolling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmm. To a dark place this line of thought will carry us. Great care we must take.

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  3. I thought it was pretty simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Parody but don't *use* the original work. When Weird Al makes a song parody (ignore for the moment that he gets permission and probably shares in royalties) he and his team don't just take the original music and sing over it. It's RE-RECORDED. That's the key. You can get away with the similarities and same song composition but you have to at least lift a finger and do the work yourself. You wanna be lazy, then the consequences are paying someone else, either for use of the work or as damages in a lawsuit later.

    1. Re:I thought it was pretty simple by Jahava · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Parody but don't *use* the original work. When Weird Al makes a song parody (ignore for the moment that he gets permission and probably shares in royalties) he and his team don't just take the original music and sing over it. It's RE-RECORDED. That's the key. You can get away with the similarities and same song composition but you have to at least lift a finger and do the work yourself. You wanna be lazy, then the consequences are paying someone else, either for use of the work or as damages in a lawsuit later.

      Weird Al actually parodies the song itself, so he could talk over it karaoke-style if he wanted to. He's probably re-recording it because it gives his parody a more professional polish and gives him some musical creative freedom. He really doesn't have to do that in order to be parodying the song. I also heard in an interview with him on NPR that, even then, he still seeks permission from every artist he parodies just to avoid any potential legal conflicts (citation needed).

      As I understand it, however, even if you re-record someone's music, it's still subject to copyright. The first case that comes to mind is the Coldplay vs. Joe Satriani lawsuit, where Joe alleged that Coldplay stole some of the melody from one of his songs. In this case, even though Coldplay clearly physically played the music, it was still potentially subject to copyright.

    2. Re:I thought it was pretty simple by dan_sdot · · Score: 3, Informative

      I remember that Satriani v. Cold Play lawsuit. I'm not lover of Cold Play, but it seemed like a bit of a stretch on Satriani's part.

      The problem here is that Copyright Law if just poorly thought out, ambiguous, and lacking common sense.

      When is one piece of music copying another? When are two pieces of music "different enough" to be considered different pieces of intellectual property? These are actually much more complicated questions than you might think (and this is just talking about music copyright).

      All music crosses lines with other music to a certain extent. Check out these two youtube videos for a quick and witty illustration by a couple musicians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
      and
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

      PS: Also, it's funny how everyone on Slashdot is all of a sudden on the side of the copyright enforcer.

  4. Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by spun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Political speech enjoys higher levels of protection, but misuse of copyrighted works is not a free speech issue. It is a, oh what's the word, copyright issue. You do understand that, in order to work at all, copyright trumps free speech, except in limited circumstances like fair use and parody.

    Republicans have a long, sordid history of using music without permissions, they especially love to use songs from artists who are not Republicans. Google 'republicans stealing music.'
    This was the first page that came up: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/77309/a_pattern_of_republicans_stealing_music_from_bands_who_don't_like_them/
    Here's another: http://www.theinsider.com/news/1264982_Can_the_Republicans_Stop_Stealing_Everybody_s_Music
    And another: http://crooksandliars.com/2008/06/14/mccain-caught-stealing-democratic-music

    It's pretty amazing how often they do it, and get away with it despite the protests and legal actions of the artists involved. It's the Republican party saying, "We don't have to play by the rules, fuck you!" to artists who disagree with them. Classy.

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    1. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by osgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free speech is about being able to get your message out against the government. To say that "copyright trumps free speech" is exactly wrong. Where copyright is counter to free political speech, copyright gives way.

      Good liberalism supports totally free speech: freedom of speech, freedom of expression. For supposed "liberal" artists to get upset when their works are used as free speech is hypocritical.

      If there's one thing that Americans left and right should have solidarity on it's the support of the Bill of Rights. Any politician of any political flavor who doesn't support FREEDOM for the citizens of our country should be fought tooth and nail. It's amazing how many people just don't seem to get that and try to pick and choose the freedoms that they like the exact way that they like them.

    2. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's always funniest when they steal "Born in the USA". The entire song is dripping with contempt for all the hypocrisy the Republicans stand for, and they're oblivious to it.

    3. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Free speech is about being able to get your message out against the government. To say that "copyright trumps free speech" is exactly wrong.

      They are two completely different issues.

      Mock the king[1] all you want - but do it in your own words, not mine[2] - else you're just as much of a leecher as he is.

      [1] of course he won't understand anyway, unless ye doeth itt iynn ye Germannical tongue.
      [2] unless I say so, in which case pay up.

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    4. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit, you can't use copyrighted material in a political ad or speech without paying for it. Period.

      All the rest of your post is a similar worthless obfuscation and appeal to emotion. If you want to make outrageous contra-factual claims, back them up with, oh I don't know, the relevant passages from the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

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    5. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where copyright is counter to free political speech, copyright gives way.

      Wrong. You can still make your message without using someone else's work, so it would in no way infringe your first amendment rights. You don't lose your rights to your own work simply because someone else has a political bone to pick.

      You also don't have the right to walk into my house and make a political speech. Your first amendment rights don't "trump" my property rights. You have the right to make your speech in a public place, your home, or the home of anyone who allows you permission to gain access. Whether you, me, the copyright owner, the satirist, whoever, is a Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Librarian or whatever, is meaningless in the context of rights.

      And on the main point, it is pretty simple: Parody makes fun of the work you are borrowing from (Wierd Al), Satire is when what you are making fun of is not related to the material being used at all. Why this is an issue when they are clearly defined in law is beyond me. This is why most legal satire uses familiar music that is in the public domain (the tune from Yankee Doodle, etc.) Mark Russell is an old school political satirist who seems to have understood this.

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    6. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I attribute this to the majority of musicians, filmmakers and artists being Democrats. When a Democrat uses a song without paying for it from an artist who is a Democrat, they're not going to complain.

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    7. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by HungryHobo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It just seems odd that while you can twist a work to mocks/comment on the original work( which is politically fairly worthless) you cannot twist a work to mock/comment on what it was used to promote(which is politically fairly worthwhile).

    8. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by bkpark · · Score: 4, Informative

      This was the first page that came up: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/77309/a_pattern_of_republicans_stealing_music_from_bands_who_don't_like_them/
      Here's another: http://www.theinsider.com/news/1264982_Can_the_Republicans_Stop_Stealing_Everybody_s_Music
      And another: http://crooksandliars.com/2008/06/14/mccain-caught-stealing-democratic-music

      It's pretty amazing how often they do it, and get away with it despite the protests and legal actions of the artists involved. It's the Republican party saying, "We don't have to play by the rules, fuck you!" to artists who disagree with them. Classy.

      It's not quite so clear as far as accusations of "stealing" goes. There is something called compulsive licensing (for example, a radio station playing a music does not have to individually seek permission of the artist; it just has to pay a rate set by law). So, by law, anyone can play the music publicly as long as they pay the license fee set by law, no individualized permission from artists needed (and given the compulsive nature of this licensing, I doubt they can revoke this congress-granted permission; Lessig talks about this as being a case where Congress balanced the rights of copyright holders with public good).

      Especially in the McCain campaign case, you will read about the artists returning the license fee—that's because McCain campaign played the music legally and paid the legally set license fee, as required by law. The artists can refuse the fee as a publicity thing if they want, but that doesn't change the fact that McCain campaign fulfilled all its obligations under the law.

      Of course, why they would want to promote artists whose political views diverge so far from conservative views is baffling to me, but in any case, the only sense in which the campaign "stole music" is in the sense in which McCain campaign didn't seek permission that they didn't have to seek under the current law (but some people, like Weird Al, do seek such permission even if he doesn't have to, so you could argue it as a matter of courtesy—but not as a matter of law, as "stealing" implies).

    9. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe in 100% unfettered free speech.

      That being said, this isn't a matter of free speech. You're suggesting that I should have the right to freely redistribute Avatar if I accompanied it with political speech.

      Any politician has the right to say anything that want about another politician (just in that you should have the right to say anything about me you want), but that doesn't give you the right to breach copyright.

      However, there is a seperate debate here about whether or not copyright was breached. If this is satire, it could be fair use.

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    10. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Conchobair · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would go with "This Land Is Your Land" by Woody Guthrie used by Reagan in the 80s. Guthrie through his life was associated with communist groups and wrote the song as a response to "God Bless America". In many ways the song was a communist anthem.

      I'll alos just note that I have seen certain Repulicans denouce "Born in the USA" as anti-America. I would disagree and question what America they live in.

    11. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by gtbritishskull · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you make a work and copyright it, then nobody should profit off of it without your permission. If you are running for political office and use the song, you are profiting from it and should be punished. If download it and sell CDs on the streets, then you are profiting from it and should be punished. If you download it to your iPod, then you don't profit so I don't think that a giant corporation should be suing you for $15k a song.

    12. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by gtbritishskull · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uhhh... citation needed? Do Democrats actually use more songs than Republicans without getting permission first?

      Also, allowing someone to use your work for free is a way of contributing to a campaign. Are you saying this is wrong?

    13. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by bkpark · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let me Google that for you.

      In your defense, I did misspell it. It's "compulsory licensing", not "compulsive licensing". It's a well-established legal practice (it dates from late 19th and early 20th century, when faithful reproduction of a work became easy with radios, etc.).

      Read Lessig's Free Culture, if you want to inform yourself properly. He'll explain it better than I can anyway.

      Oh, right. Since you can't use Google, here's the link to Free Culture (he has a PDF there).

    14. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Informative

      this:
      http://mises.org/images4/ObamaProgress.jpg

      Which is certainly a derivative of this:
      http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2008/05/340x_obama-progress-poster.jpg

      and would not be protected because it's about the subject of the original rather than the original.

      It certainly carries a very valid message.

      That just strikes me as stifling since it effectively blocks the creation of satires which resonate with or which people associate with what you want to respond to.

    15. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's because no one would ever give permission to mock their own work, and using their own work is often the only way to do it. Thus it is protected. It is very rarely necessary to use a particular song to make a particular political point, you can use your own words to say the same thing.

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    16. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, I think this is what Spun misunderstands. These left-wing bands complaining (eg Heart/Barracuda) when Barracuda was played at Palin rallies is no different from when Sam Moore demanded that Obama stopped using Hold On, I'm Comin. You can't control who plays your song, or who listens to your song.

      If a political campaign (as in the case of this story) uses a song in a paid ad, that's a very different case. One can't just conflate these widely disparate examples and come across with a "REPUBLICANS ARE DIRTTY LYING THEIVESS ZOMG!!" conclusion (as a 10 second google finds examples on both sides of the aisle),

      I personally find this area tricky and troubling ground. There's so much creativity on Youtube and elsewhere that can just be totally SQUASHED by law. As mentioned in the summary, Downfall is a great example, but in general--music videos, remixes, etc... I think it would be a sad world if we lost all of that.

    17. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When a Democrat uses a song without paying for it from an artist who is a Democrat, they're not going to complain.

      So then provide an actual example rather than a vague claim with no actual citation.

    18. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That being said, this isn't a matter of free speech. You're suggesting that I should have the right to freely redistribute Avatar if I accompanied it with political speech.

      Well, no. There's violating copyright while making some kind of political statement, and then there's torturing the very people you're trying to convince. Why would you do that? Why distribute Avatar? There are far more humane ways of communicating your message.

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    19. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Copyright is part of the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8. Copyright does not infringe on free speech. You can say whatever you like without having to use someone else's art to do so.

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    20. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by mea37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LOL

      If a Democratic candidate infringes a liberal-leaning artists copyright, and a Republican tries to "make hay" over it, the determination of which one comes off looking like an ass will be made by who the liberal-leaning artist deicdes to side with. A Republican considering this approach would have to weigh the risk that, knowing the political effect of his/her actions, the artist would choose to side wtih the Democrat even if the original use was copyright infringement.

    21. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What if you write a book, it is sold in bookstores, but it is not taken seriously, and most copies wind up getting destroyed after a while (whether throwing out unsold copies to free up shelf space, or people read them, then tear pages out to use as kindling, or whatever). I bought a copy, however, and I kept it in good condition. Many years later, the book becomes a huge success, and book collectors become interested in the first printing.

      Why shouldn't I be allowed to sell my copy to a collector for a tremendous profit, without having to share it with you?

      As an example, a copy of Action Comics #1, a comic book from 1938 with a cover price of 10 cents, and which is still copyrighted, was sold earlier this year for $1.5 million.

      If you had your way, we couldn't even have used book stores.

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    22. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. Two separate issues. You do not need to use my art to express yourself, unless you are commenting or parodying it, which are protected. So, you can exercise your free speech without needing to use my works. Stopping you from using my works does not stop you from saying what you want to say.

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    23. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 2, Informative

      With one exception that I know of, Weird Al gets permission for all of his parodies (though not legally required, he does it anyway). In an interview many, many years ago when someone asked him about that he said with that one exception (can't recall who it was now) he said the usual response when he asks is something along the lines of them being upset that he took this long to make one of them.

    24. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you really saying that "All She Wants to do is Dance" and "Boys of Summer" are politically motivated works?

      All She Wants to Do Is Dance is pretty obviously a commentary on US diplomacy.

    25. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coolio turned him down. However, Coolio's song was a remake itself and Wierd Al had already recieved (paid) for permission from the original artist. So, Colio did not have the ability to stop him.

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    26. Re:Republicans stealing music again? I'm shocked. by gtbritishskull · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree completely. But is US diplomacy in any way germane to the subject of the parody? Does a political statement in a piece of music mean I lose all rights to the musical score. By extension, if I create an original song and mention "George W. Bush" in it anywhere, then every politician has a right to put my music in their commercials? I think there should be no limitations if you are mocking the message of a song, but if you are just using it because it has a good beat and putting your own words to it, then that is stealing.

  5. Re:Weird Al by Jer · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I think of parody the first thing that comes to mind is Weird Al, and I can't really recall any of his songs commenting on the original work itself.

    Many of his songs actually do - "This Song Is Just Six Words Long" and "Smells Like Nirvana" both come to mind right off the top of my head.

    But that doesn't matter from a legal perspective because Yankovic and his label don't rely on legal definitions of Fair Use for his work. He actually goes out and gets permission from the rights holders before making a parody of their work. So you can't use what he does as an example of what you can do with Fair Use protections for parody works.

  6. Proposed Test for Infringement by srussia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does the "derivative work" function as a substitute for the original work? If it serves a different function, it should be considered fair use.

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  7. I can understand why Henley is pissed by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Use of Don Henley's well-known music implies that he supports the DeVore, which he clearly does not. In that sense, it is defamatory to Don Henley. Also, there argument that "It is parody because Henley is a liberal" is absurd, they seem to be arguing that it would be unlawful to rip off a well known conservative's music, but it is perfectly ok to rip off a well-known liberal?!? This is the same race that saw Carly Fiorina's "Demonic Sheep" ads? I think it will go down in history as the pinnacle of Repugnantcan douchebaggery, an affront to intellectual conservatives everywhere.

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  8. Re:Legal "satire" vs. literary "satire"? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Satire is perfectly legal. What the summary is saying is that you cannot repackage someone else's copyrighted works in a satire against a third party.
    Of course both songs were written and recorded over 20 years ago, they should both be in the public domain by now if copyright had a reasonable duration (Ok I would consider it reasonable if their copyright expired in 2012).
    Personally, I think this case is a perfect example of why copyright should be shorter. These songs sum up the message that DeVore wants to convey about Barbara Boxer and our culture would be much richer if such songs could be used for the purpose intended here.

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  9. Re:The whole question is based on a false assumpti by CorporateSuit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out this link from the summary. It's not a pretty sight.

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  10. I flipped on this one to support the musician by spitzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After reading a bit more about this I suprised myself by changing my mind. My first knee-jerk reaction was that the videos were ok because they were parodys/satire.

    But basically if this was allowed, you could use any music for any video you make whatsoever, and claim it is a satire/parody. Maybe you are required to insert at least one insult, about a random subject, into the video, so it is a "satire or parody". This would completely defeat copyright and certainly is not a good idea.

    However that if Boxer had officially used one of these songs in their own videos (after paying for the rights, as required), somebody parodying the Boxer ad can use a parody version of that same song. I believe this was done by conservatives on some Obama attacks. More to the point here, a joke video about Windows using a Rolling Stones "start it up" parody would be allowed, since that was part of the Windows advertisement, but use of a different Rolling Stones song that Microsoft did not use is not allowed.

  11. Re:Legal "satire" vs. literary "satire"? by ShinmaWa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No one said that satire is illegal. What was said is that using someone else's copyrighted material without permission as part of the satire is not protected by fair use. Big, BIG difference.

    - Using clips of a movie to make fun of that movie = parody = fair use
    - Using clips of a movie to make fun of something else entirely = satire = not fair use

    You can agree or disagree with the above, but that's where the courts currently stand on the issue.

    (As an aside, Twain, et al, didn't use other people's copyrighted works in their satires)

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  12. Re:The Penny Arcade-Strawberry Shortcake comic? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Penny Arcade would have had to cut out & scan an ad for a Ford Explorer, then paste it next to a images of Wall Street fat cats, with a subtitle referencing lax financial regulatory systems and failed economic management, then claim that they were also mocking the quality of American-made vehicles.

    You had the choice between talking about a redheaded dominatrix and a car analogy, and you went with the car analogy? I know this is Slashdot, but some things are sacred! Like redheads in leather.

  13. Democrats getting a pass on theft? Yep. by d3ac0n · · Score: 3, Informative

    The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because Democrats never get CAUGHT stealing music, doesn't mean they don't steal.

    Actually, it's more like: Democrats get whatever they want from their good buddies at the RIAA and get a pass from lefty music artists. The charge never comes up because no lefty musician or music company EVER MAKES IT. (Ya don't eat your own, don't ya know.)

    But the moment any Republican uses ANY music by any left-leaning musician, an army of lawyers and Old Media types scramble to find if they "stole" it. That just doesn't happen with Democrats.

    Prime example: During the last Presidential election the McCain campaign was accused of "stealing" the song "Barracuda". The problem for the accusers was that the McCain campaign already had a contract with the company that held the rights to that song that allowed them to play it. Yet WEEKS of hay were made from a literal non-story because the original artist didn't like the McCain camp using it, despite them having met the legal requirements for use.

    So forgive me if I take your "Republicans steal music" "evidence" with a MOUNTAIN of salt. History has taught me to deeply distrust leftist "news" sources.

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  14. Dangerous Precendent by webbiedave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article: "DeVore argues that his videos do indeed target Henley, who has long been identified with liberal and Democratic causes, and asserts that the campaign chose to use Henley's songs for precisely that reason."

    That's quite a dangerous stretch counselor. If that were so, it would follow that usage of copyrighted works would depend on how much the holder's political leanings coincide with the person being mocked.

  15. Re:Democrats getting a pass on theft? Yep. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2, Informative

    The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because Democrats never get CAUGHT stealing music, doesn't mean they don't steal.

    Well until you have any actual examples of them stealing music rather than vague claims about how they must be, then your claims might actually carry some weight.

    Actually, it's more like: Democrats get whatever they want from their good buddies at the RIAA and get a pass from lefty music artists.

    Is this the same RIAA that has a well-known Republican staffer/lobbyist as it's chairman and CEO? And the same RIAA who has made numerous donations to Republican senators and representatives for years? Yeah, let's ignore all that and just pretend that only the Democrats are allies of the RIAA.

  16. Re:The Penny Arcade-Strawberry Shortcake comic? by canajin56 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, you, and the general public at large, might see them as different, legally they are not. If you take a Mickey Mouse comic from way back when, and just copy it with a new word bubble, obviously copyright violation, right? If you draw your own character that looks sort of like Mickey Mouse? That's just as much copyright violation, even if you drew every last pen stroke yourself. Fair use, which includes review and parody, is a defense against copyright violation via derivative work. Penny Arcade got in trouble because drawing Strawberry Shortcake is a copyright violation, and fair use is their only possible defense. However, fair use does not allow for making copies of one person's copyright to parody a third-party. Their own lawyers told them that, and they took it down. That's the law.

    Mind you, the law is subject to change. Twenty years ago judges verbally berated Sega and Nintendo lawyers on separate occasions for abuse of copyright law. Nintendo tried to sue Game Genie for allowing owners to modify their game code. The judges said that people are free to enjoy their purchase any way they want, and artists have no right to dictate how their works are enjoyed. This opinion is now scoffed at, and artists very much do somehow have the right to dictate how purchasers of their works are allowed to enjoy them. Sega, on the other hand, like Nintendo, used early early DRM to lock out third party game carts on their consoles. They sued Accolade for copyright violation for cracking the DRM. A judge got very angry with them, calling them monopolists and dismissing with prejudice, saying no law permits them to lock people out of their hardware. Now of course, there is such a law, and nobody bats an eye at locked down systems. Crazy that only 20 years ago the very idea was disgusting, and now you're a madman for objecting.

    That may seem off-topic, but both those cases were about derivative works. Game Genie was about the right of the consumer to create their own derivative works, which we're now told we do not have. Though we're told by RIAA/MPAA/TV execs, and might possibly still have that right, if you find a judge who will follow the law. And the Sega case was about the right to reverse engineer for compatibility, which we certainly no longer have. Well, except the DMCA, which outlawed it in the first place, has exceptions for compatibility, but those exemptions to not stop Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, from suing anyway. So, while parody defenses are pretty set, so were those rights, and they changed, though perhaps not legally... Precedent is just a suggestion. In the unlikely event that a judge allows wholesale copying of third-party copyright material in unrelated parodies, that's a hidden boon for The Pirate Bay, which would quickly be renamed to The Parody Bay, and totally legal! Just put a quick mockery of your political figure of choice into your torrent description, and the download along side it is protected as a fair use parody! ;)

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  17. Re:Democrats getting a pass on theft? Yep. by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't Obama give sweet appointments to a bunch of RIAA lawyers?

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/obama-taps-fift/

    That being said, we're veering way off-topic. I maintain my position that both parties usually have dirty hands.

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  18. Re:The Penny Arcade-Strawberry Shortcake comic? by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Informative

    An article about parody videos with music set to lyrics mocking someone, and the first thing you thought of was a comic strip? I immediately thought of Weird Al Yankovic and how screwed he'd be if they're found to be infringing.

    He's probably OK, as he does secure the necessary recording rights for the songs (which requires indirect payment to the songwriters through a clearinghouse).

    If he then copies the look of the video, he's OK because he can then separately parody the video safely, since the audio portion is already either licensed or covered by a separate parody. Most of his non-original songs are of this double parody variety.

    I suspect the main issue in this case was they didn't pay the fee that allows them to record the song. If you do that, any BMI or ASCAP songwriter has zero say over whether you can record "their" song, or perform it in public.

  19. EFF says satire is fair use... by SudoGhost · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA: "Corynne McSherry, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, explains how fair use works: It lets people use a film clip or a paragraph from an article or a piece of music if they are creating commentary or satire." So what I've gathered, unless an attorney with the EFF is an outright liar, the fact that "a parody comments on the work itself; a satire uses the work to comment on something else" is a useless statement to the context of the Downfall situation, and also to these songs, because satire is still covered by fair use.

  20. Re:Democrats getting a pass on theft? Yep. by IICV · · Score: 2, Informative

    Prime example: During the last Presidential election the McCain campaign was accused of "stealing" the song "Barracuda". Yet WEEKS of hay were made from a literal non-story because the original artist didn't like the McCain camp using it, despite them having met the legal requirements for use.

    Weeks of hay? I hadn't even heard of this until now, and I was paying some attention to the 2008 campaigns.

    Further, now that I look it up, it doesn't seem to be the case that anyone was saying the McCain campaign stole the song, or even used it illegally; the hay was made over the fact that the artists just didn't agree with his political views, and as such requested that he not use it. Due to our wonderful copyright system, the people who created the song no longer had any sort of control over the actual usage of the song, and as such their request was ignored by the McCain campaign.

    Indeed, as far as I can tell none of those "leftist 'news' sources" said or even implied that the McCain campaign used Barracuda illegally; all they cared about was that the band that created that song did not wish for it to be used in that way.

    And yet despite this, you somehow managed to completely avoid addressing the three instances of potential Republican music-stealing that the GP actually brought up.

    Judging from your signature, this seems to be a consistent pathology in your thinking.

  21. Don Henley must die by Arker · · Score: 2, Funny

    No really!

    He's a tortured artist Used to be in the Eagles Now he whines Like a wounded beagle Poet of despair! Pumped up with hot air! He's serious, pretentious And I just don't care

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