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Hot Aisle Or Cold Aisle For Containment?

1sockchuck writes "Separating the hot and cold air in a data center is one of the keys to improving energy efficiency. But containment systems don't have to be fancy or expensive, as Google showed in a presentation Thursday, which discussed the use of clear vinyl curtains in isolating hot and cold aisles. Containment systems have been in use at least since 2004, but there's an ongoing debate about whether it is best to contain the hot aisle or cold aisle. Leading vendors are split as well, as APC advances hot aisle containment while Emerson/Liebert champions a cold aisle approach. What say Slashdot readers? Do you use containment in your data center? If so, do you contain the hot aisle or cold aisle?"

181 comments

  1. The fridge is in another room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that count as cold aisle containment?

  2. Supermarkets by shogun · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this article was about supermarkets, where it might be a good idea anyway too..

    1. Re:Supermarkets by arielCo · · Score: 1

      I knew Google is keen to expand into new markets, but Oracle?

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    2. Re:Supermarkets by burne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dutch supermarkets are doing that. Test your dutch: original or test google translate: translated.

    3. Re:Supermarkets by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Well the Dutch put prostitutes behind glass doors first, so I guess you could say that they have chosen now to do both hot and cold aisle containment. Why choose one or the other when you can have both!

    4. Re:Supermarkets by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm disappointed that I don't see a single Tesla vs. Edison reference. :(

    5. Re:Supermarkets by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I didn't know that there is an Edison car out there. I know of the Tesla.

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    6. Re:Supermarkets by Miseph · · Score: 1

      It's very much like the Tesla, even uses the same technologies. But it's much less efficient, cheaply made, has a much lower range, needs to be replaced 3 times more often, has a much better marketing department and only costs 60% as much if you buy RIGHT NOW (note: price subject to increase after promotional period).

      Oh, it's also not so much a car as a shiny metal box that makes whirring noises and hits you in the crotch with a hammer... but it also bounces a little, so eventually you might bounce where you're trying to go.

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    7. Re:Supermarkets by kmoser · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be the Edsel?

    8. Re:Supermarkets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  3. Amana by ushering05401 · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Re:Amana by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Then you don't have a datacenter. Which is what this is in regards to (not server "rooms")

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    2. Re:Amana by ushering05401 · · Score: 1

      I assure you the first post was a joke (even though that is roughly the model AC I use). If serious I would have chimed in about my containment strategy like so:

      My rack room vents straight up through an insulated hard lid ceiling. Back-pressure is prevented with two fans that blow the warm air from above the lid, through a full height wall, and into a non-climate controlled warehouse...

  4. Can you try both methods? by e9th · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Depending on how your facility is ducted, it might not cost much to try both options and measure the results. Even if you have to spend a few thousand doing so, the long term savings from choosing the best method for your site would probably be well worth the cost of testing.

    1. Re:Can you try both methods? by twisteddk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, as most companies that have to build a new datacenter will tell you. It's cheaper to generate heat than cold. So I'd go for cold containment. Generally speaking most companies do AIM to put their new datacenters as close to the north pole as possible simply because it's cheaper to use outside air that's natually cold. That puts countries like Canada, Greenland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland in high demand for datacenters (end technicians to staff them). If the US didn't have rediculous data laws, Alska might also be ideal.

      In our new datacenter we're even using the excess heating from the servers to heat the offices ontop of the giant basements below. This sort of setup is ideal for outside temperatures that generally range below the normal cooling needs of a server (or several). But in any event there's still a huge bill to pay for moving the air back and forth, so containment is definately still an issue, as is the size of the pipes when you have say... 10MW of electricity going into your servers and quite a lot of that energy coming back out as heat ;)

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    2. Re:Can you try both methods? by e9th · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. But it's not clear whether the submitter is talking about constructing a new data center or adding containment to an old one.

    3. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That puts countries like Canada, Greenland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland

      You forgot Iceland where there are already interesting datacenter installations. As a bonus, the geothermal energy provides a capability for those fancy "zero carbon" datacenters. The northern parts of Russia would also be very interesting if Russia could open up some areas around of its strategic military assets, the answer being obviously no, and provide some infrastructure for the more distant areas. Of course, the distances are enormous so even the speed of light is an obstacle for some applications, unless Beijing becomes the new banking mecca after formation of the New Democratic Union of The Combined China, for example. Though Iceland is closer to the City of London, the network delays have made some applications impossible for now.
      Although the discussion here is mostly about air, it would be more likely that liquids are a more critical resource for datacenter cooling of tomorrow (no wonder Google converted a former pulp factory by a lake some time ago in the Scandinavia) . Nuclear power facilities could point the way here.

    4. Re:Can you try both methods? by Thundersnatch · · Score: 3, Informative

      That puts countries like Canada, Greenland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland in high demand for datacenters (end technicians to staff them). If the US didn't have rediculous data laws, Alska might also be ideal.

      Some datacenters perhaps, that don't need good Internet connectivity. But the latency between major populations and the far North makes those locations less desirable. We have struggles with the latency between Chicago and Dallas with some applications; Chicago-to-Fairbanks would be quite a bit more painful.

    5. Re:Can you try both methods? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 3, Funny

      >10MW of electricity going into your servers and quite a lot of that energy coming back out as heat ;)

      All of it. The laws of thermodynamics are clear.

      Sorry, I can't help being a smartass sometimes. ;)

    6. Re:Can you try both methods? by Interoperable · · Score: 1

      Well if you want to be strictly correct, and it seems that you do, some of it will be converted to acoustic noise and escape through the walls, or be transmitted out through the wires or end up changing the magnetic potential energy in hard disk platters.

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    7. Re:Can you try both methods? by loshwomp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sweden and Finland in high demand for datacenters (end technicians to staff them).

      Why would you want to staff your datacenters with proctologists?

    8. Re:Can you try both methods? by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You forgot Iceland...

      Yeah well, they're having a little trouble with containment right now themselves. And it appears geothermal isn't as clean as it was made out to be.

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    9. Re:Can you try both methods? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Well, as most companies that have to build a new datacenter will tell you. It's cheaper to generate heat than cold. So I'd go for cold containment.

      I agree - contain the cold to keep it cold (keeping heat out of that area, really). Cooling works not by "adding cold" but by removing heat, and the retired HVAC engineer I know (heating and cooling, not hack/virus/anarchy/carding) insists that cooling always requires more effort and care than heating. He did a lot of work for big clients that include Anheuser-Busch, Frito Lay, teh Detroit Silverdome, etc., so I trust him. Let the hot side disperse heat out wherever else it pleases, assuming you are dealing more with a problem of excess heat than heating human-occupied space.

      In a modern datacenter, it seems like a no-brainer to have some sort of a system to recover the considerable waste heat that is generated, especially when the location necessitates heating in the colder months. There is certainly the initial cost to consider, but reduced utility bills can make up for this before long, plus there's the green, carbon, blah blah blah corporate talking points you'll have at your disposal. I love the idea of locating datacenters in places like Finland, Scandinavia, and Canada. Efficiency should be considered in all aspects of good datacenter design, whether you are building from the ground up or looking to update things. Separating hot/cold is a good, cheap, very easy start, and some companies have taken that and really began to expand upon it.

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    10. Re:Can you try both methods? by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      My apartment is backwards. The AC runs almost constantly in the summer and the heater runs about 50% of the time. In the summer, my bill is consistently around 1350 kW/h but almost 1500kW/h in the winter. It seems my heater uses over twice as much electricity.

    11. Re:Can you try both methods? by starfishsystems · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can build a switched network to connect the remote data center to the point of presence where you want it to join the backbone.

      Though this does nothing to mitigate time-of-flight latency, it nicely eliminates the latency and jitter issues due to routing. It's what we did at Westgrid to connect our computing clusters to storage facilities many hundreds of kilometers away.

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    12. Re:Can you try both methods? by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depending on how your facility is ducted, it might not cost much to try both options and measure the results.

      Call me naive, but... Why not do both at once?

      Cold air goes in from the bottom (or one side), through the rack, and hot air goes out the top (or the other side). I realize that companies don't really care about such minutiae, but that would allow the mere humans that occasionally need to service all those expensive racks to experience a temperature other than 40F or 120F.

      Or, hey, how about just cooling the damned things with intelligently ducted outside air and cutting the electric bill by a third?

    13. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA GOOD ONE

      wait, nevermind. Shut the fuck up.

    14. Re:Can you try both methods? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Iceland would be even better since their weather is always on the cold side. And they have close access to geothermal energy too so you won't need to burn oil or use nuclear energy to power your computers.

      Just hope that you haven't built your data center on top of a volcano.

      In any case - one thing that usually is forgotten is that you can be able to cool data centers by using water in a river. The water is usually relatively cold even in hot summer days.

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    15. Re:Can you try both methods? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And a lot of the sound energy is absorbed by the walls ending up as heat anyway.

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    16. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a silly idea. Why debate heating and cooling zones, when the problem could be handled by spreading the computers out over a larger area.
      No single computer is the heat problem, it's grouping them all together in one big room that makes it an issue.

      My solution would be to buy some cheap land, call it a dataranch and spread the computers out in shacks (why construct a huge building, even).
      If several computers per shack was a break even between high temps in the summer and cold temps in the winter, the shacks wouldn't even need air conditioning. (for example, 1KW per shack, in the summer it needs some ventilation, in the winter it can be sealed up and acts as its own heater to avoid going below freezing temperatures - frost is bad for magnetic drives).

      For a 10MW dataranch, with 1KW per shack, it's 10,000 shacks, and a crp*load of wire.

      A possible issue would be blizzards and snow. A cold climate could make maintaining the grounds much more labor intensive.

      As a plus, the geeks who maintain the computers could ride around the dataranch on horseback.
      yeehaw, ride 'em four eyes

    17. Re:Can you try both methods? by Surt · · Score: 1

      That is a lot of kw/h. Over a million kwh in the winter months? You run a million dollars worth of power through an apartment per year? I'm impressed the lines hold up.

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    18. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > acoustic noise

      The word you're looking for here is 'sound'.

    19. Re:Can you try both methods? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Not all of it.

      Some of the energy will be converted to light or electromagnetic/other waves that will escape the datacenter without ever becoming heat there.

    20. Re:Can you try both methods? by sumnerp · · Score: 1

      Some of it will do useful work on the way but ultimately all of it will decay to heat. Sad but true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb2kBFqrZx8&feature=related

    21. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy Math and/or cost of kWh fail!

    22. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As well as lights. I have yet to see any kind of server where they have not found place for at least one status-led.

    23. Re:Can you try both methods? by Phics · · Score: 1

      10MW of electricity going into your servers and quite a lot of that energy coming back out as heat ;)

      Actually, aside from trivial losses, all of that 10MW load will be converted to heat.

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    24. Re:Can you try both methods? by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understood that right. I used to work in the retail electricity industry. Take a look at your electric bill an you'll see similar numbers. They might be as high as 3000kW/h or as low as 500kW/h.

    25. Re:Can you try both methods? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Do you have links for that geo-thermal comment?

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    26. Re:Can you try both methods? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      BTW, if you are talking about the H2S problem, that is a minor problem. Iceland has been running their system as a straight pull. All they have to do is turn them into a re-injection and the issue is solved. To be honest, they will FIRST want to look at the output. There are loads of minerals that can be pulled prior to re-injection.

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    27. Re:Can you try both methods? by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1

      No you won't.

      But you may see kWh .

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    28. Re:Can you try both methods? by Interoperable · · Score: 1

      Well of course, I was accounting for what wouldn't need to be dealt with by the data center's climate control.

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    29. Re:Can you try both methods? by RichardJenkins · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure he's talking about this

    30. Re:Can you try both methods? by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      kW/h != kWh

    31. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cooling is only one part of the equation. You still want cheap power, cheap land, and close proximity to large fiber backbones. Where those four items intersect is where you'll find most of the world's datacenters. In fact, cooling is quite an afterthought in most datacenters.

    32. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    33. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the energy may escape as light or RF emissions.

    34. Re:Can you try both methods? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      And this, too

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    35. Re:Can you try both methods? by Surt · · Score: 1

      You're right ... I should have said about 720 million dollars. I made a joke about units and got the units wrong. :-(

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    36. Re:Can you try both methods? by Surt · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure my bill comes in kwh, not kw/h. And that was the point of my joke.

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    37. Re:Can you try both methods? by signingis · · Score: 1

      Data Analists?

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    38. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it breaks down like this:
      -If heat is a real issue, liquid cooling.

      If not:
      -Cold aisles where the DC is located in a hot ambient env.
      -Hot aisles for cold ambient locations.

      If your building a new building, put the data centre into the AC loop. ie use the heat generated to heat the building in winter; easy with liquid.

      All pre-90's data centres used liquid cooling, then, air cooling became viable and cheaper(no plumbing required). ie servers started using consumer desktop chips.
      Now, desktop chips are in many ways as powerful as the 80's server chips, and generate almost as much heat, seems it time to move back to 'tradition methods'.

    39. Re:Can you try both methods? by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

      So Iceland would be the best of both worlds.. with hot volcanoes on top of cold glaciers, just put up the proper IEEE standard vinyl curtain.

    40. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So there was no light?

    41. Re:Can you try both methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Some of it will come out as light and electricity.

    42. Re:Can you try both methods? by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      It depends on what type of heating system you have. Your heat load will also be affected by whether you're on a top floor or bottom floor as well as your exposure to the sun (i.e. if you're on a bottom floor and don't get much sun exposure, you won't have as much heat to remove from your place in the summer, but you won't get as much "free" heat in the winter).

      If you have the older style "strip heat" (which is basically a series of resistive heating elements) you will always use more energy for heating. These electric heating elements are the same type that you see in hair dryers, just in larger wattages. They basically resist the flow of electricity to create heat...and not very efficiently. You typically don't see straight strip heat in modern furnaces (not as much anyway), however they are a necessary component in heat pumps.

      In a heat pump situation, the heat strips should only run when the unit goes into defrost, or when the outdoor temperature drops below 32F. If you have a heat pump and your bill is considerably higher in the winder, I'd suggest having your heat pump checked to ensure that the proper refrigerant charge is in the system, that your reversing valve isn't leaking, and/or that you don't have any problem(s) with your expansion device (probably a piston or a TXV).

      *By the way, I spent 10 years working in apartment management, so I've seen a few problems like yours. I hope some of this helps you, dude.

    43. Re:Can you try both methods? by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

    44. Re:Can you try both methods? by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      Anytime.

    45. Re:Can you try both methods? by afidel · · Score: 1

      .5 to 3MW/hr? That's a pretty big facility, the entire 500 person HQ facility for my S&P 500 company including our datacenter only has 650kW/hr of generating capacity.

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    46. Re:Can you try both methods? by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      So what you save in cooling you spend on dedicated long-haul fiber? And even if you switch to a major POP, you still have dozens of miliseconds of latency at best. You still can't support low latency operations like trading or synchronous data replication, making you customer pool thar much smaller.

    47. Re:Can you try both methods? by starfishsystems · · Score: 1

      So what you save in cooling you spend on dedicated long-haul fiber?

      Well, actually, I'm not telling you what will work for you. I'm telling you about what other people have done because it worked for them.

      And even if you switch to a major POP, you still have dozens of miliseconds of latency at best.

      Let's see, the switches we were using had about 10us latency, of which about 1us was optical transceiver latency. That was typical a few years ago, but has since improved by an order of magnitude. I don't know where you get your "dozens of milliseconds" estimate. That certainly has not been our experience.

      You still can't support low latency operations like trading or synchronous data replication, making you customer pool thar much smaller.

      Gee, that would be too bad. But since your arguments so far are unsound, I suppose we shouldn't rush to that conclusion.

      Also, though I don't usually recommend this to people, your writing will be more credible if you turn on your spelling checker.

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    48. Re:Can you try both methods? by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      Let's see, the switches we were using had about 10us latency, of which about 1us was optical transceiver latency. That was typical a few years ago, but has since improved by an order of magnitude. I don't know where you get your "dozens of milliseconds" estimate. That certainly has not been our experience.

      Chicago-to-Fairbanks=~5800 km by road, a reasonable length for a fiber path. Speed of light in fiber is ~200000 km/s. Fiber-only latency = 29 ms.

      Gee, that would be too bad. But since your arguments so far are unsound, I suppose we shouldn't rush to that conclusion.

      So where, exactly, are all the major datacenters in the tundra? Free colling isn't a new idea, but there still aren't many, are there?

      Also, though I don't usually recommend this to people, your writing will be more credible if you turn on your spelling checker.

      My last post came from my phone. Such off-topic attacks don't lend weight to your arguments.

    49. Re:Can you try both methods? by SgrA* · · Score: 1

      The most impressive thing about visiting the old CRAY HQ back in Minneapolis was this huge building, located in a sub-zero environment, comfortably heated entirely by computers. I'd say that they'd successfully achieved HAC on the inside and CAC on the outside.

  5. Cold by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

    What say Slashdot readers? Do you use containment in your data center? If so, do you contain the hot aisle or cold aisle?

    I think that I speak for most readers here when I say that it's pretty much all cold aisle down here in my mom's dank basement. Not much containment either, other than some pegboard partitions.

    1. Re:Cold by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what you do is going to depend on how your room was designed. Mine is 100% ducted, so it doesn't matter. Just drop curtains down from the ceiling to the top of the racks and bam, done. Each cold aisle has supply vents and each hot aisle has its own return. I don't know if you'd call that hot or cold aisle containment; I suppose it's containing both.

      What you're describing with underfloor cold supply already has hot/cold containment: the raised floor. Simply extending that to enclose the front of the racks is the logical choice.

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    2. Re:Cold by KingDaveRa · · Score: 1

      That was pretty much my thought. Or other data centre is a horrible mess of cages, walls, and wall-mounted AC units. It's being slowly closed down, luckily!

    3. Re:Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, it's definitely cold down there. But your mom was hot! The lack of decent containment did spoil the fun somewhat!

    4. Re:Cold by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      Wall mounted A/C? Icky. I've only seen that in one other place that my local competitor calls their "business class colocation facility". They have the things randomly all over the place. I can't imagine any way to tame that kind of airflow.

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    5. Re:Cold by KingDaveRa · · Score: 1

      It started as underfloor. Great big CRAC. However, it died, the parts were no longer available, and getting a new CRAC in was apparently impossible. So the wallmounted units went up. We've got 12 of them, and they barely keep up. Many are blowing into the back of racks. It's a right mess. There's massive hot and cold spots. As I say tho, the room is being wound down, so there won't be much left in there soon.

    6. Re:Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, your containment is full of CRACs? Then how do you contain anything?

    7. Re:Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Release the CRAC'n!

  6. I suggest hot aisle containment by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Contain and exhaust your heated air, vent it up outside

    That way it doesn't mix with the cold air much.

    If you just contain your cold air, then you have a situation where the hot air is staying in the room, and that heat will be absorbed over a larger surface area, by all the things in your server room (including the Air handling units).

    1. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by nacturation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can still vent the hot air elsewhere, but the problem with hot air only containment is that then the entire room is effectively one large cold aisle, contained within the walls and the limiting factor is how well insulated the walls are. If that logic holds, it's better to limit the size of the cold aisle as you can add a lot more really good insulation where appropriate to limit unwanted heat absorption.

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    2. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by SuperQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think containing the hot isle is probably the best way to go as well.

      * When I'm working in a datacenter I'd rather be walking around in the cold isle (~70-80F in a modern datacenter) than the hot isle (100-120F if properly contained)
      * Containing the hot isle and to a small space and using the rest of the air and space around the rack (up to the ceiling, walking isles, etc) allows more volume of cool air to be a buffer in case of low/failed cooling capacity.

    3. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suggest containing the cold air.

      If you contain the hot air you must cool a much larger area, which is very inefficient and makes anybody who must work in the server room less comfortable when compared to allowing waste heat to warm the main areas. More comfortable, less energy wasted cooling the cold aisle, and less energy wasted venting the hot aisle.

      A vinyl partition is plenty of separation, and if you want to upgrade, use two vinyl partitions separated by an air gap. That's the same basic setup that the ski resort in Dubai uses, except they use two roofs instead of two vinyl partitions, of course. Air is a fantastic insulator when it is not allowed to mix.

      Temperature lost through seepage from solid objects is going to be minimal, at best, unless they are made of large sections of aluminum or copper. Frankly, I've never seen a server room with large panels of aluminum or copper, so I don't see that being an issue.

      See why there is a debate?

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    4. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      I think containing the hot isle is probably the best way to go as well.

      * When I'm working in a datacenter I'd rather be walking around in the cold isle (~70-80F in a modern datacenter) than the hot isle (100-120F if properly contained)

      This is probably diverging a bit on the original question, but seeing your 70-80 "modern datacenter" range reminded me of something I've wondered about lately: Has anyone researched the tradeoff point between when the server cooling fans start spooling up and turning the temperature up to run a "hot" floor? Running fans at a higher RPM certainly translates into more current draw than if they're running at their lowest speed. Sure, the equipment can stand running hotter and you're being "green" by not running the A/C as much, but are you just trading that for extra power wasted on spinning a whole lot of fans faster?

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    5. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Contain and exhaust your heated air, vent it up outside

      As others have noted, you are then cooling a much larger space. I don't know that one is significantly better than the other. The cynic in me says that companies that like their employees will have the isolated space be the one that most resembles the predominant environmental extreme (i.e. warm isolated in hot climates), and companies that like their employees to suffer do the opposite (i.e. pipe cold air to the backs of the racks, making the room 85degF in July.

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    6. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      I think containing the hot isle is probably the best way to go as well.

      * When I'm working in a datacenter I'd rather be walking around in the cold isle (~70-80F in a modern datacenter) than the hot isle (100-120F if properly contained)

      This is probably diverging a bit on the original question, but seeing your 70-80 "modern datacenter" range reminded me of something I've wondered about lately: Has anyone researched the tradeoff point between when the server cooling fans start spooling up and turning the temperature up to run a "hot" floor? Running fans at a higher RPM certainly translates into more current draw than if they're running at their lowest speed. Sure, the equipment can stand running hotter and you're being "green" by not running the A/C as much, but are you just trading that for extra power wasted on spinning a whole lot of fans faster?

      That really depends on datacenter design. There are lots of factors that affect it. While my place is not a datacenter, we do run a pretty decent sized stack of servers. The cooling (provided from the wrong side of the room sadly) needs to be set in the low low 60's range to keep the temperature in the server area at about 80 degrees.

      We will soon be installing a hot air containment and venting system to help with our cooling. It should help considerably. And during the winter, the hot air will be blow to the other side of the server/office room. It currently keeps the room at about 65 degrees on very cold winter days and the heat disperses decently, but we'd rather have it blowing through a vent section we designed into the front of the space where the entrance door is. That space is also ideally away from the server stack.

      Anyway, back to your question, rack containment (by rack design or by datacenter design), stacking order (hotter things on top? or on bottom? all hot things in one rack and the cooler ones in another?), ceiling height, natural air flow characteristics and ability, artificial air flow created by the ceiling(?) or floor (?) cooling ducts, space behind the racks where they vent... well, I could go on and on... but you get the idea... all of those affect what overall room temperature will trigger the units to increase fan speed to cool themselves.

      I've been in some datacenters that were massive rooms, where, due to ceiling height, and space behind racks, room temperature could be considerably higher. In other places (that were more like enclosed corridors), when the "room area" was in the 70's, the servers were running considerably hotter and the "hot aisle" area was blazingly hot.

      Ours trigger medium speed at about 80 degrees (non-server side) or 85 degrees (server side) and full speed at about 10 degrees hotter. But our servers also are designed to run pretty hot (per IBM's specs).

    7. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Informative

      A recent article on Google's data centers said that they run as close to maximum temperature as possible: if the servers are rated to 90, they only cool to 88. Google is extremely efficient. The article said that the energy overhead for their data centers is only about 20%, while most data centers run 100%. Because of that, I'm sure Google has studied the server fan issue and determined that it's not a significant factor.

    8. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      The pictures I've seen with Google servers are caseless and don't have many fans other than CPU and probably one in the PSU. I don't think that Google can be compared to the typical rackmount server the rest of us would use.

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    9. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by pla · · Score: 1

      I think you meant that as humor, right? But in case not...


      and makes anybody who must work in the server room less comfortable when compared to allowing waste heat to warm the main areas

      You work in Siberia, perhaps? The hot side of even a small server room, nevermind a data center, stays well over 100F. Not exactly comfy for most humans.


      Temperature lost through seepage from solid objects is going to be minimal, at best, unless they are made of large sections of aluminum or copper.

      Or, say, row after row of heavy-gauge steel boxes?


      See why there is a debate?

      Because most people can't accept that not all geographies have the same exterior conditions, and just want to mindlessly obey The Standard dictated from On High by the gods of HVAC? If you consider the "waste" heat valuable, you may want to contain it for use in the nearby area. If you need to run the AC even in normal office space 24/7/365, you probably don't really care where the heat goes, but wasted cold air amounts to a sin.

    10. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by mysidia · · Score: 1

      If they want to avoid lawsuits/OSHA complaints from employees who have conditions that prevent them from working in extreme temperatures, they have to cool the ambient temperature in the primary work environment to 80 degrees or less, anyways. Datacenter managers simply cannot allow an ambient temperature of 95 or higher, because it is a safety hazard, in that high temp exposure can cause serious physical harm to people.

      Which means, that when they contain the cold air, they probably require additional air conditioning and ventilation systems to keep the working environment acceptable.

      Running an additional system definitely consumes more energy. Without providing any redundancy, since the containment would prevent it assisting if there were a failure of the primary system.

    11. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by budgenator · · Score: 1

      When did OSHA start considering workplace temperatures of 95 or higher a safety hazard, I'm sure a lot of construction and kitchen workers would be interested in that one?

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    12. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't really even matter if the hot air stays in the room for a little while, since the ambient hot air is almost always going to be colder still than the temperature inside a server case. What really matters is convection. Even if you use what humans consider "hot" air, as long as you're blowing it quickly through the server case it can be used for effective heat transfer within specs of the manufacturer. This is the same principle for why you can thaw frozen items much quicker with running water (even if it's cold) than sitting in a bath of hot water.

      Most colos waste ENTIRELY too much on ambient cooling when Intel has already proved you can run servers way hotter than your typical 50-60 degrees Fahrenheit as long as heat transfer is occuring quickly.

    13. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      Technically it's a recommendation: Section III, chapter 2, subsection V. Heat stress is Section III, chapter 4 with plenty of formulas.

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    14. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by neurovish · · Score: 1

      A recent article on Google's data centers said that they run as close to maximum temperature as possible: if the servers are rated to 90, they only cool to 88. Google is extremely efficient. The article said that the energy overhead for their data centers is only about 20%, while most data centers run 100%. Because of that, I'm sure Google has studied the server fan issue and determined that it's not a significant factor.

      Google also uses cheap commodity hardware that they have every expectation of failing unexpectedly (one of their known unknowns). Since they design massive redundancy with this in mind, it is not a problem for them. If your systems are not massively redundant, then it becomes a problem. The hotter you allow your systems to run, the greater chance you have of components failing...especially hard drives.

    15. Re:I suggest hot aisle containment by budgenator · · Score: 1

      good stuff, thanks for the links.

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  7. This is a problem ... by DragonDru · · Score: 1

    that I would like to have.

    Once your server room is to the point where you have hot and cold aisle, just contain one and go for a beer.

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  8. Datacenter containment by thewiz · · Score: 5, Funny

    We only resort to using containment when the servers have been very, very naughty. We've found that chains, steel cable and duct tape are the best ways to keep servers in their racks.

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    1. Re:Datacenter containment by ushering05401 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried promising them cake?

    2. Re:Datacenter containment by tepples · · Score: 4, Funny

      We've found that chains, steel cable and duct tape are the best ways to keep servers in their racks.

      Don't steel cable. It's illegel.

    3. Re:Datacenter containment by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The cake is a lieeee!!

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  9. Cold by KingDaveRa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we were to retro-fit it at work, I'd say cold aisle. To do so would mean curtains at the end of the aisles, as the under-floor vent grids are in front of the racks. The CRACs are at the end of the room sucking in air through the top, so it'd be cool air pumped up through the floor, into a cold-only zone, sucked through the racks, blown out the back into the rest of the room where it just swirls about until it's pulled into the CRACs again. I reckon it could be done cheaply and quickly. Do do it with the hot aisles would require more containment to get the air back to the CRACs. I think it'd be a case of which air flow it fits best.

  10. What not to do. by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1

    What did I find when I joined the sysadmin team at my place?

    Putting cold air vents behind the racks doesn't help. Pull cold air through the front to the back? Nope. Chill the exhausted air because it sucks to walk behind the servers. Nice.

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    1. Re:What not to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chill the exhausted air because it sucks to walk behind the servers.

      Really? How odd: after a few hours in the data centre I find it's quite nice to go stand behind the SAN rack for a minute or two and warm up...

    2. Re:What not to do. by SuperQ · · Score: 1

      That's because you have an improperly designed datacenter. A good modern datacenter should have 70-80F inlet temps for most equipment. The problem is if you don't do hot isle containment you have to use super cold air from the chilling equipment to keep that inlet temp requirement near the top of the racks.

    3. Re:What not to do. by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      Your desk is in the server room? At those clients of mine where I have seen their data centers, no one is in the actual server rooms unless hands-on access is needed. Otherwise the rooms are kept closed and dark with >99% of the sys admin work done from the cubicle farm. And even when console access is needed, the person is only in the server room longer enough to plug-in; then she/he works from one of the small desks just outside the room. (Though, I am told, the most important servers are permanently connected to a large matrix KVM switch)

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    4. Re:What not to do. by eosp · · Score: 1

      (Though, I am told, the most important servers are permanently connected to a large matrix KVM switch)

      KVM over IP is your friend.

    5. Re:What not to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your desk is in the server room?

      Servers don't rack themselves.

    6. Re:What not to do. by neurovish · · Score: 1

      What did I find when I joined the sysadmin team at my place?

      Putting cold air vents behind the racks doesn't help. Pull cold air through the front to the back? Nope. Chill the exhausted air because it sucks to walk behind the servers. Nice.

      We used to have all of the servers aligned to face the same direction...so like 5 or 6 rows of racks where only the very first row consisted of servers not pulling in the exhaust from the row across the isle. Now the warm exhaust isles are nice places to thaw out if you've been at a kvm directly in the flow of the cold air.

  11. McDonalds already holds the patent... by ctmurray · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:McDonalds already holds the patent... by PCPackrat · · Score: 1

      For those that need a video explaining this patent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTSdUOC8Kac

  12. Hot or Cold? by siglercm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but the answer shouldn't be complex. Base the decision to contain either hot or cold aisles on the differences to ambient temperature. If (HotT - AmbientT) > (AmbientT - ColdT), then contain the hot aisles. If it's the other way around, contain the cold aisles. This minimizes the entropy loss due to temperature mixing in the data center, I believe. Just my 2 cents.

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    1. Re:Hot or Cold? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I think it's going too far though, if you start trying to work out Gibbs Free Energy change for your server room.

    2. Re:Hot or Cold? by SuperQ · · Score: 4, Informative

      This sorta doesn't work because what you care about in datacenter cooling is maintaining a constant equipment inlet temp. For all practical uses this means your AmbientT and ColdT are the same. What you did get right is that you want the largest delta T in your cooling equipment to provide efficient cooling. No matter what you do with hot or cold "containment" the end goal is to keep the HotT as high as possible when it hits your cooling system.

    3. Re:Hot or Cold? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      You don't care about raw temperature transfer, you care about energy usage to either cool or heat

      Is it cheaper to cool? Or is it cheaper to heat?

      Can you save money and energy by containing the cool area and allowing the hot aisle to heat the rest of the room? Or is too much heat your problem, and you'd be cooling the whole space anyway, so cool the whole datacenter and contain the heat?

      Honestly, I think the best solution for almost all situations would be to contain both hot and cold aisles. Chances are you're always going to need at least a little AC no matter where your datacenter is (I may be one of the few exceptions), so it doesn't make sense to let the hot aisle run rampant and only contain the cold aisle. As far as the cold aisle goes, that's always going to need cooling, so you'll definitely want to contain it.

      If you're putting in a new containment system, why not duct it twice? Then if you need to warm the common areas you can just vent a little from your hot aisle to regulate the temperature, without letting it run wild. It would be more expensive to set up, but not by a lot if you plan for it from the beginning, and it will give you maximum efficiency.

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    4. Re:Hot or Cold? by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Funny

      so far everyone's got it wrong.
      since you don't want unauthorized people in the DC you seal it up (with only exhaust ports and a door). Pump LN2 into evaps in the room. Authorized techs are issued Scott Air Packs. Unauthorized people expire before they can do damage, and as a bonus the room has built in fire suppression ;-)

      -nB

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    5. Re:Hot or Cold? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know more about how he gets that entropy loss, though. He may have hit on the secret to making a perpetual serving machine.

    6. Re:Hot or Cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You stole my post.... but as we advance, the hot side will only become hotter (more dense cpus), whereas the cold side is generally fixed by the environment. So we may as well start containing the hot sides.

    7. Re:Hot or Cold? by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Funny

      More threads!

      More threads means more entropy!

      Get a big enough T x deltaS and the server will cool itself!

    8. Re:Hot or Cold? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Hot, Ambient, and Cold temperatures. We're starting to get close to identifying the important paremeters. Another one is Outside ambient. You've got to figure the heat transfer from indoor ambient to outside ambient. And you've got to do that for (in some cases) a wide range of outdor ambient temps. Not only do you want to minimize the unwanted transfers between your cold side or hot side air to the indoor ambient, you need to consider the transfer for the overall building envelope. Each of these heat flows is affected by the temperature difference across the ducting, cabinet sides, building envelope, etc. as well as the insulation seperating each of these zones. Also, the air handling systems pressure differential and resulting leakage must be onsidered in calculating heat losses.

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    9. Re:Hot or Cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So as ambient temp starts to rise during summer you rebuild your datafloor? That would be interesting news for the subcontractors..

      Given your theory you should contain both hot and cold to keep it reasonably simple

    10. Re:Hot or Cold? by TopherC · · Score: 1

      I like that idea! But the air inside might become too dry and cause problems with static electricity. I don't see any other problems.

    11. Re:Hot or Cold? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Add a humidifier. N2 will carry water vapor nicely.

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  13. Where is your datacenter? by Jave1in · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best solution is going to based on the average ambient temperature of your location. If you're in a hot environment, why contain the cold if you need additional A/C in the datacenter for employees? Reduce costs by using the same equipment to cool both. If you're in a cold region, then let the heat also warm the datacenter. If you're in an ideal temperature environment, then you don't have much to worry about beside good air flow.

    1. Re:Where is your datacenter? by Inda · · Score: 1

      So, expanding the solution further, build one side of the data-centre in a cold environment, the other side in a hot environment. Air flow could be solved by elevating one end, causing natural ventilation (the "chimney effect").

      Or have I missed something?

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    2. Re:Where is your datacenter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, expanding the solution further, build one side of the data-centre in a cold environment, the other side in a hot environment.

      Build it on Iceland: One side facing the active volcano, the other side buried in the glacier ice cap covering the volcano.

      You get the gorgeous view as a bonus.

    3. Re:Where is your datacenter? by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

      Employees working in air conditioned comfort is a "nice to have". Equipment not overheating is a "need to have".

      Omitting the building HVAC is probably a dumb idea. If the servers get more energy efficient, they throw off less waste heat, meaning now the building is freezing.

      Designing an HVAC system for the offices that can utilize any available waste heat (or spare cooling capacity) is a GREAT idea, but if the power goes off and the diesels kick on, I wouldn't want to be limiting my runtime (or increasing my fuel delivery frequency) by using that constrained power supply to keep the offices a comfy 65F.

  14. Position of the HVAC system? by mlts · · Score: 1

    One critical thing is where are the HVAC return ducts and where the air vents are. Does the datacenter use raised flooring, or does the place have discrete ducts for its ventilation. I've seen data centers have 12-24" of clearance used as plenum space. Others may have 2-4 inches because the space is used just for wiring and not HVAC use.

    This needs to be factored in to separate the aisles, elsewise spending time for meat locker curtains and endcaps like Google has done may bring few to no returns.

    1. Re:Position of the HVAC system? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      If you're using the raised floor plenum for supply, the efficient way to do it would be tosupply directly into rack ecnlosures and use the entire room as the warm side. That'd be very efficient, but might take some thought about how you build and ventilate the rack enclosures
      If the air is supplied directly to the space, make the ceiling a return air plenum and provide ducted exhaust from the racks into the ceiling return and make the whole space the cold side (as illustrated in TFA). That's almost as efficient, but might still require a little thought about how to build and ventilate the enclosure.
      Curtains or partitions to separate hot and cold aisles will require coordination for lighting, fire protection, egress, etc., which could pose problems, especially in an existing facility.

  15. What does Apple do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever one Apple uses, that's obviously the evil one.

  16. Re:FIRST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why is this modded offtopic? OP was clearly stating expressing his support for hot aisles.

  17. Datacenter cooling by JWSmythe · · Score: 1, Informative

        I've been in quite a few large datacenters. Some have strict rules on proper utilizing their hot and cold aisles. Some could care less.

        The ones with the best ventilation have the cold air coming through the raised floor, and the hot air being pulled from the ceiling. Brilliant. Actually understanding that hot air rises. :)

        Most

        Some I've been in had the hot air being blown from the ceiling, and the return somewhere on a vertical wall.

        At one place, they worked with us on it. We had two rows in a cage. We established the center to be the cold, and the edges to be hot. It wasn't really for temperature, it was for access. We spread the rows a little extra so we could have a couple carts and two people working at the same time. In that, we couldn't load some of the longer machines in from the "hot" side if we had wanted to. So on the aisle that we worked in, they gave us more cold air outlets, and sealed off the ones on the hot side. It worked very well. The site manager was really into making everything work as well as possible. He would walk around with a non-contact IR thermometer and spot check equipment.

        Separating the hot and cold aisles with plastic would probably never work. Most racks that I've seen either are open frame, or they have a vent fan in the top. The open frame ones are obviously worthless for a plastic barrier.

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    1. Re:Datacenter cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > Some could not care less.

      There, fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Datacenter cooling by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Both phrasings are correct.

      English is a fucked up language.

    3. Re:Datacenter cooling by Dragoniz3r · · Score: 1

      I dunno about correct, but they're both in common usage.

    4. Re:Datacenter cooling by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Both phrasings are correct.

      No, both statements are not correct. The correct statement is the answer to the question: "Could you care less?" If you care very deeply about something, then you would say "Yes, I could care less" because, after all, it IS possible. If you don't care at all, then you would say "No, I could not care less" because you can't care less than zero.

      The bastardizing of "couldn't care less" into "could care less" is the same bastardization that makes people write "could of" and "should of" instead of "could have" and "should have". Or "the dog wagged it's tail" instead of "the dog wagged its tail". Just because it might sound similar when you say it quickly and just because lots of people make the same mistake, it doesn't make it correct.

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    5. Re:Datacenter cooling by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Well I could care less, but it would take effort. :p

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    6. Re:Datacenter cooling by adamdoyle · · Score: 1

      Grammatically correct? yes
      What he intended to say? probably not

      If someone could care less, that means that they DO care to some degree.

      The correct phrase is saying that I care SO LITTLE that I couldn't care less if I wanted to....

  18. As a former employee of one of those companies... by Mhrmnhrm · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can honestly say you win either way. The electricity/cost savings of containment will pay for itself regardless of where you put the doors. That said, whether you choose to go HAC or CAC is really choosing between different trade-offs.

    HAC (The APC method): Seemed to be cheaper and easier to install. Since the hot aisle is being contained, if something happens to your coolers, you have a longer ride-through time as there's a much larger volume of cold air to draw from. However, at least when I got out of the business, HAC *required* the use of in-row cooling, and with APC, that meant water in your rows. Europeans don't seem to mind that, but Americans do (which provided an opening for Emerson's XD phase-change systems, dunno if APC has an equivalent or not yet). I personally wouldn't be too keen on having to spend more than a few minutes inside that hot aisle, either.

    CAC (The Emerson method): Seemed to be more expensive, especially in refit scenarios (they appeared to be more focused on winning the big "green-field" jobs more than upgrading old sites), but it can usually leverage existing CRAC units, so you could potentially save enough there to make it competitive, as well as avoid vendor lock-in. The whole room becomes the equivalent of a hot aisle, but convection and the building's HVAC can somewhat mitigate that, so it'll still be uncomfortable working behind a rack, it doesn't feel quite the sauna that an HAC system does. Depending on whose CRAC equipment you buy (or already have), EC plug fans and VSD-driven blowers can save even more money if properly configured.

    Other: I've seen the "Tower of Cool" or "chimney" style system, and flat out hate it. They look like a great idea on the face of it: much cheaper, faster installation, able to use building HVAC, etc. But let's be honest. Your servers are designed for front-to-rear airflow. So are the SANs, NASs, TBUs, rack UPSs, and practically everything else you've put in your datacenter, apart from those screwball Cisco routers that have a side-to-side pattern (Seriously... what WERE they thinking on that one???). Why would you then try to establish an upwards-pointed airflow that's got a giant suction hose at the center of the rack's roof, where it can just as easily pull cold air from the front (starving your systems) as it does hot air from the back?

    Personally, I like cold aisle better. If I'm going to be spending two hours sitting behind a server because I can't do something via remote (forced into untangling the network cable rat's nest, perhaps), I like the idea of being merely uncomfortable and a bit sweaty than dripping buckets while cursing the bean-counters who forced me to lay off the PFY two months ago. There are also some neat controllers that work with CRAC units to establish just the right amount of airflow to fully feed the row and manage their output, so if running five CRACs at 50% is more power efficient than running three at 100%, that's what they do. I know folks who like hot aisle better. It's more fun for them to show-off their prize datacenter since all the areas you'd want to see (unless you're the one responsible for power strips or cable management) are cool.

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  19. From an expert in the field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is pretty basic. You are paying for the cooling, and you don't care if the heat bleeds away, but you care if the cold warms before it does its job, so you partition and direct the cold air and let the hot go wherever. The bottom line here is the hand waver types have never done a cost analysis based on required cooling loads, which is what the data center is paying for.

  20. Reality check ... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    It really doesn't matter which side you contain as the end result is the same.

    The important part is preventing the cold incoming air from being tainted with hot exhaust air. Which side you do it on is largely irrelevant unless you have a large amount of foot traffic in the server room which may bring in outside air to upset the balance, but even that would require what I would most certainly consider an unacceptable amount of foot traffic to occur in a datacenter.

    Just hanging vinyl like Google does takes you to the point that you're wasting time and money by putting any further engineering resources on it.

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  21. Depends on SLAs prehaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SLAs are usually based on the temperature of the cold aisle. Containing the cold aisle along with proper blanking of cabinets and equipment venting the right way would help to keep within the contract.

  22. contain the heat by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you contain the heat, you then have the ability to move it around and use it for cogeneration, thus vastly increasing your overall efficiency.

  23. Both by funkboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The answer will be specific to each implementation.

    But in general, it should be pretty obvious to anyone that understands basic thermodynamics: get the "cold" into the servers without mixing it with the ambient or letting it touch any hot metal, and get the heat out of the servers without mixing it with the ambient or letting it heat up any other metal.

    It should be pretty obvious that air is not really the best way to do this; air goes all over the place, and is not a very good thermal conductor (relatively speaking).

    There are entire 10k+ machine datacenters in France that use only liquid cooling circuits, right up to the servers. Energy costs for running the external condensers are a small fraction of what it would cost to do the same thing with air. Of course, it helps if you only have your own machines in such an environment, but if APC, Emerson, etc were serious about efficient cooling then they'd partner with HP, Dell, etc. to make standardized systems that would allow this...

    1. Re:Both by snorkack · · Score: 1

      The truth is that anyone who says one is always better should be viewed with skepticism. They are either trying to sell you something, or one of those petty people who feel threatened when others decide on a different course. You should also consider the human cost. It is always greater than those selling a solution will let on. I would bet though that adding thermal mass to your room would beat out the containment system though.

  24. Datacentre efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi There,

    We did some testing on two rows of 27 racks which we had fully populated with rack mount servers. We measured each setup over a two month period during a european summer. We found that by containing the cold rows we saved around 20% on the power bills overall. For the hot isle containment we found that we saved only 12%. Unfortunately for us the testing that we did was not as comprehensive or detailed as it should have been. I believe that there are so many other factors which affect the overall power saving. For example some vendors recommended having the air con in the racks while others say that its best to have the air con outside of the solution with pressure forcing the air through the floor. We didn't have the opportunity to test the air con in the rack because it was a retro fit in an existing facility. Overall we found that the isolation was a good thing and saved us the cost of installing within a few months. Right now we have 18 rows of 27 racks with cold air containment working flawlessly. Some other points which need to be noted..

    - a squared off ceiling over the cold rows does not provide good enough air flow. Having a curved ceiling was good.
    - ensure all empty rack slots are filled with blanking panels.
    - make sure that the gap between racks is filled.
    - make sure the exhaust fans on the top of racks are only on the back of the rack not at the front like in some installs.
    - make sure that the cabling is done in a tidy way, any air obstruction makes a difference to the efficiency. we got special power cables made up so that there was no slack hanging around.

    Over the 18 rows we have now had the install running for two years and over that time we have saved an average of 28% on the power in that facility. Which when your talking about 30+ servers per rack with 27 racks in a row and 18 rows it makes a big difference.

  25. hot level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how about really high ceilings in a funnel shape and vents that you can open to the outside (with filters). Most data centre rooms i've seen are normal office height. after all let the hot air rise.

    While we are at it let's turn the racks and the pizza boxes around 90 degrees - less distance for air to travel over hot components, likley require lower fan revolutions as well. Not to mention much hardware doesn;t need all that depth and with more 'front' area we could fit more swapable hard drives in per U for the virtual machines either with single servers or SANs.

    anyway just a thought.

  26. Re:As a former employee of one of those companies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen the chimney method too, with a large fan at the top. Nice in theory, but I have seen almost no rack units made for bottom to top cooling. Almost everything goes front to back. Ironically, one place I worked at received a ton of racks with the stupid fans on top. Of course, the fans were yanked, and a piece of metal screwed on top to ensure the airflow went the proper way.

    I wonder what the future of this stuff will be. It would be most efficient to replace CRACs with water chillers and having a liquid cooling system that doesn't just cool the rack, but has heat exchangers and systems to cool individual components (down to the RAM, CPUs, hard disks, and other items.) However, more sophistication is needed to be done with valves and the ability to shut off or shunt subsections, all it takes is one bad hose, and the data center suffers both water damage as well as heat failure. Until someone invents not just a valve assembly that doesn't leak after hundreds to tens of thousands of insertion/removal cycles, as well as an assembly that can detect water pressure loss and close off/shunt, liquid cooling will be only usable for systems that are essentially static and where devices are rarely connected/disconnected from, such as HVAC systems, APS racks, or PC systems.

  27. the answer is "yes" by markhahn · · Score: 1

    all the air in a machineroom is either hot or cold. anything else means you're mixing - that is, your containment leaks. there is basically no heat transfer through building conduction, for instance. 'cold' merely means that it's between the chiller outflow and front of servers; hot means ass-side of servers and chiller intake. the primary goal is to keep them from mixing.

    a nontrivial machineroom will have multiple chillers and non-uniform heatload distribution. that doesn't change this principle, but does mean that the airflow design may have trouble getting enough air to the right spots. ideally, the chiller outflow would all go into a single large plenum (such as a deep pressurized underfloor), with hot ducting with controllable air intakes whisking the hot air back to the chillers.

  28. Heat moves toward cold... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    so contain the heat so that it doesn't encroach on the cold.
    My limited understanding of thermal dynamics is that the more active molecules
    in a heated environment tend to move toward cold which is a lower energy state,
    thus entropy plays an ever present role. Contain the heat, prevent the transmission
    of infrared and use any other barrier you can to prevent heat from warming the
    cooler side.

  29. Contain for the humans by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of reasons why someone will be sitting in a server room for an hour or more. Please don't make it an unbearable hour with heat baking the poor humans.

  30. Depends on the climate/ambient by spazmonkey · · Score: 1

    Depends on the climate entirely. Here the summers are brutal and the winters severe. which one is contained is pretty much up to which one we want to be exposed to. (i.e. winter it is nice to have the heat NOT just dumped outside.) Curtains and thought to the existing doors/partitions help with that seasonal flexibility a lot.

  31. Use Styrofoam(tm) by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean it worked for the McDonald's McDLT back in the 80's...

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  32. CYA by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

    CYA. Flip a coin. That way, if you get complaints about the wrong choice, you can always blame the coin.

  33. Definitely COLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it makes for hard nipples on your staff

  34. Re:As a former employee of one of those companies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, what power density are you planning to run? You'll find the debate ends about 15 to 20kw. Then its all hot containment or in-row or back of cabinet.

  35. APC / Schneider vs Emerson / Liebert by littleab · · Score: 1

    This basically comes down to a question of APC vs Liebert equipment. APC pushes hot aisle containment where Leibert pushes cold aisle containment. It seems like the benefits are almost split 50/50, but there are a few other things to consider. The APC method uses in-row cooling, which means you are moving the the air less distance than the Liebert method of pushing air from large CRACs at the ends of the aisles. There are efficiencies gained in other methods, and as a poster earlier mentioned the APC method is a little cheaper up front. This does introduce the problem of water in the data center, but for us we resolved this by putting the water under the floor so that it would be very difficult to have any issues related to it. Overall, I think this comes down to the situation, but for us it made more sense to do hot aisle containment. It seems to be better in smaller scale situations, but I would have to do more research to see how it scales to large 50,000+ sqft data centers.

  36. Does it matter? by darkonc · · Score: 1
    The whole point is to separate hot air flows from cold air flows.

    After that, precisely how you go about the process is more a matter of the side effect of other choices.

    This feels, to me, rather like arguing if it's better to put the women's washroom to the right or left of the men's.

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    1. Re:Does it matter? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Do you like your toast butter side up or ...

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  37. Well, if your goil is energy efficiency... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Then it’s easy: Do the math. Seriously. It’s a question of energy transfer, the simplest thermodynamics, and isolation.
    I’m not a expert in those matters. But I’d say, the goal would be, to minimize energy (heat) differences between areas right next to each other?

    I’m sure there is an expert (please no wannabes) here who can quickly give a nice answer. :)

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  38. trade offs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hot aisle containment is more efficient, as you are extracting heat from a smaller volume of air. However, remember that in a hot aisle containment system, if you ever have to work on the back of the rack, you are walking into a dangerously hot environment. The trade off is between efficiency and safety, IMO.

  39. Thermal pollution by starfishsystems · · Score: 1

    We have to choose between the glass being half full or half empty. But it's not the symmetrical choice which it might seem to be. Specifically, it's not a matter of providing cold air. That's just a means to an end. Fundamentally, it's a matter of removing thermal pollution.

    The ideal environment for the equipment is one which is uniformly, ambiently cold. Not only are there fewer thermal stresses, the entire design problem is simplified if you can assume uniformity. Departures from this ideal are therefore to be minimized. You don't want to contain the cold, you want it to prevail. Instead you want to contain the heat, remove it, and minimize points of contamination along the way. This has the additional benefit that you're minimizing leakage from the relatively small heat regions rather than trying to protect the entire environment.

    An analogous situation arises in a marine engine room. You want to supply clean air and also exhaust the combustion gases. Supposing you only had the following two choices, should you (a) exhaust directly into the engine room and pipe fresh air from outside to the engine, or (b) pipe the exhaust outside and let air be drawn directly into the engine? Generally (b) is regarded as better, because exhaust gas is hot, toxic, and corrosive. It's much more trouble to design every surface in the environment to tolerate it that it would be just to contain and get rid of it.

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    1. Re:Thermal pollution by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Sounds good. As an engineer, I'd design for hot aisle containment.

      First off, APC (makers of expensive racks and equipment) has less to gain from doing things wrong than Emerson/Liebert (makers of expensive HVAC).

      Now that the easy explanation is out of the way...

      First start with the environmental requirement for server intake: http://tc99.ashraetcs.org/documents/ASHRAE_Extended_Environmental_Envelope_Final_Aug_1_2008.pdf
      but avoid the PHB fallacy of thinking that's what's coming directly out of the HVAC system. The thermostat is not located in the AC vents.

      The technical/thermodynamic explanation (which also works inside of PC cases) is that you generally want to concentrate on removing heat rather than adding cold.

      • Having cold spots can be just as bad or worse as having hot spots, due to condensation
      • Removing heat is easier, since hot air generally rises. With cold air you generally have to duct and force its way to the front of racks. And even then you need to have adjustable vent settings based on load. If you have any kind of variable load (say, switching between banks of servers during failover or for temporary processing) you will have to readjust your vent settings to keep the environment balanced. You could spend lots of money on an expensive "smart" cooling system to take care of this for you, or patrol the server room regularly and make adjustments every time something changes and sets off an environmental monitoring alarm. Or you can just simply contain and remove the hot exhaust.
      • Removing hot exhaust means that cool ambient air will be sucked in through any available orifice. Adding cold air means that hot air may still be able to loop back and recirculate to the front of the rack and sneak back in to the intake of individual servers.
      • You'll be working at greater thermodynamic efficiency if the return air to the HVAC is hot, rather than a warm mixture.
      • The larger mass of ambient cool air will act as a better buffer. Remember that A/C units work at on/off cycles and it's better for them to run with a larger hysteresis so they're not turning on and off all the time to stay within the thermal/humidity envelope.
      • Cold vents can be anywhere and preferably equally spaced and vented to maximize mixing with ambient air.

      I could go on but let's take a break and look at the relative merits of Cold Aisle containment:

      • Sysadmins can work in a short shirtsleeves environment when they're in the server room (i.e. so they can better enjoy working in a place with lots of failures)
      • PHBs can feel like they're coddling their equipment by feeding them "special" air

      To be fair, I suppose some containment is better than none. And even without any containment at all, you can do OK by at least giving a little thought to how the air should be circulating.

  40. Both might actually be best by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's cheaper to generate heat than cold. So I'd go for cold containment.

    Actually containing both might be best since then you will have a "room temp" air gap between the two and air is a fantastic insulator. IF you do not contain the hot then the heat will diffuse and the air on the other side of the vinyl curtain will be warmer than room temp. This will warm your incoming cool air. The effect may not be particularly noticeable but it would be an interesting test to see if there is a noticeable improvement to doing both.

  41. Re:why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The -1 mod for above is a prime example of why I don't bother reading /. anymore most of the time. No, it's not redundant. Check the timestamps and check others who got insightful for later posts.

  42. Thermal Conduction Pipes Inside Servers by JakFrost · · Score: 1

    There are entire 10k+ machine datacenters in France that use only liquid cooling circuits, right up to the servers.

    That's exactly what the server designers should be doing to the rack series servers at this point. Stop with the loud and inefficient air fans and replace them with built-in thermal conduction pipes inside the servers. Every rack should start coming with a master hose and a coupler system that we would connect to the server, prime the server before turning on for the first time, and let the server be cooled with liquid and have the cooling capability go directly to server parts that need the most cooling. The flexible but reinforced pipe system to each server would use self sealing ball-bearing couplers to avoid spillage on connect. The thermal substance could be your ordinary Ethylene Glycol or something better.

    This is already being done in specialized circumstances and we have been doing water based cooling on our overclocked rigs at home for quite some time, it's only logical that the servers start moving down this path and we get liquid cooling into systems that can absorb a little bit of a price increase in exchange for lower overall energy costs.

    Many of the data centers in NYC where I've worked already use a Ethylene Glycol based Chilled Water cooling system so this technology already exists in these locations. It's only logical to make some servers with liquid cooling components for the hard drives, power supplies, memory, processor, chipset, or just borrow these pre-made parts from liquid cooler overclocking manufacturers. Set up some pipes, put in some safety low-pressure valves, self-sealing couplers, and run them to all the racks over the top like network wires.

    There are more than enough engineers smart enough to get this designed and organized and this is the right time to do it with Green Computing being such a fad at this point. Someone wake some people up at HP & Dell.

  43. Load matching airflow is better than both by turnedintoanewt · · Score: 1

    I am an HVAC designer by trade, and I think that a hot isle containment setup in general is a good idea. especially if you are trying to use something like curtains as your containment. when you have a standard CRAC unit, they have been until recently only constant airflow volume units. but the servers themselves have their own fans that stage or change speeds to move the required air through the racks. unless the airflow from the CRAC is being varied based on demand, the extra airflow will just spill out past your curtains, out the ends of the isles and cool the room outside the cold isles no matter what you do. newer approaches (including the Liebert approach) advocate sensors on the racks to calibrate demand, and do match airflow to the load. In these cases, containment is not strictly necessary, because the racks are transferring nearly the same air through from hot to cold as the unit is supplying and returning. the natural air convection serves to separate streams pretty well. but, you could gain some efficiency on the CRAC unit cooling side by containing the hot isle air, the idea being to bring back the warmest air possible. obviously the air mixing with cold air is a source of wasted energy, but also, the refrigerant cycle can operate at a warmer relative temperature for a given amount of cooling. when you require the cooling coil to operate colder, the cycle efficiency drops off. Of course, there is also energy saved by not operating the fan itself at such high volume. but, for my money, variable air volume and proper controls to match airflow at the unit is worth more than trying to set up containment, especially since the curtains or other devices make for a less flexible layout, while relocating sensors to critical racks (the ones that get hot first) can be done quicker.

  44. Human factors - very important by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    You've hit on an important point here: human beings do in fact do some work in this space. Do you really want the guy racking your servers to have wet, sweaty palms?

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  45. Depends on the barrier. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Flexible barrier -> contains high pressure -> cold (or it would be ineffective).

    Rigid barrier -> equally applicable to high and low pressure -> hot (more convenient, can be used with varied fans speed).

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  46. Chimneys by dzr0001 · · Score: 1

    At my place of employment, we do something similar to http://www.42u.com/images/great-lakes-exhaust-chimney-diagram.jpg. There is no hot air anywhere outside of the cab.

  47. We are doing CAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just built out 152 cabinets of Cold Aisle Containment. Think about this:

    4,000 Sq Ft Room
    8 x 30 Ton Liebert CW Downflow
    36" Raised Floor with no obstructions in Cold Aisles and only 10" network cable trays under the hot aisles (power overhead)
    Self Engineered CAC Ceilings 12" above tops of cabinets
    Self Engineered CAC doors at the ends of 4 Cold Aisles (18 cabinets on each side of the cold aisle)
    9' plenum above the dropped ceiling
    CRAC units ducted to the plenum for hot air return

    Here is the MOST important thing to think about conceptually. We are only actually chilling 38'x4'=152 Sq. Ft per cold aisle x 4 ColdAisles = 608 Sq Ft of actual datacenter space with 8 x 30 Ton CRAC units... This should be basically as directly efficient as the people that put cooling directly into the cabinets.

    It will be a bit strange to walk into a datacenter that runs at 80-85 degrees F ambient (until you go into the cold aisle and shiver.

  48. What's the layout like? by akkornel · · Score: 1

    There are several factors which, in my opinion, must be considered when making a decision on what to do:

    * Layout

    Both hot- and cold-aisle containment require that you have either one row of racks, with a wall on the other side; or you have two rows of racks, both of which are of identical length and are aligned properly. This makes a long, thin room better for hot- and cold-aisle containment.

    * Raised-floor

    Is your environment going to have a raised floor, or (probably the more apt question) does it already? If you go for hot-aisle containment with a raised floor, you'll going to have an interesting time getting the hot air returned to the air handlers units. I think you'll also need a way to ensure air circulated in the under-floor area.

    * External heat sources

    Lighting and people impose an additional heat load, for which you must account. The same applies to the UPS. Also, don't forget about all of your networking equipment and patch panels that prefer living in two-post racks.

    If I remember hot-aisle continment theory, the cold air being ejected from the in-row air handlers doesn't get very far into the room before it is pulled in to the servers in neighbor racks. If that is the case, and your room is big enough -- with enough space between rows and stand-alone equipment -- then you might end up with a hot-aisle-containment environment where the stand-alone equipment sits in a little hot spot, unable to draw any cool air from (relatively) far away in-row air handlers.

    * Cooling Source

    Most of the time, when you think of a data center, you think chilled water. That is not always the case, and I'm not talking about this newfangled stuff like using outside air. I mean some buildings simply don't have the capacity (in whatever way you want) to support the chilled-water needs of a data center. You might have to rely on an air-cooled solution.

    * Humidity

    You have to maintain humidity as well as temperature, and the humidification/dehumidification equipment takes up alot of space. When you're going for hot-aisle containment, you're likely going to use in-row air handlers. You want these to be as compact as possible, so plan on getting a separate unit to handle the humidity.

    If you're doing cold-aisle containment, you're likely going to use stand-alone air handlers, which will include humidity control already.

    All of the thoughts above were going through my head in the last 12 months. In the company where I'm working, at the start of 2010, it was looking like we were going to move into a new building. At the time, the building was an empty shell, so a data center was designed that was long (to get two aligned rows), thin (so no areas for hot spots to build up), and with no raised floor (to save the expense). We were going to go for hot-aisle containment, in-row cooling, in-row UPS, and a little stand-alone device for humidity control and backup cooling. The move was cancelled, so we started over. Besides, we learned towards the end that it would be air-cooled, not chilled water (in other words, bad).

    The new plan would be to stay in our current building, extending part of our existing data center (standard raised floor, stand-alone chilled water cooling) into a space that would still give us two long rows, but the raised floor and chilled water availability -- along with the ability to re-use existing air handlers -- make me want to go cold-aisle containment. Unfortunately, that was scrapped as well.

    In the end, it looks like we'll simply be taking down some existing walls in our data center, giving us several rows of racks, all of which are not aligned. Hot- and cold-aisle containment now looks impractical, unfortunately, but I did learn alot while doing my research. This move will also give me the ability to change out the hodepodge of racks to newer, deeper racks (one thing that can really help is to keep cables out of the way of the back of the server), and to install blanking panels over every open rack U (again, another easy way to keep hot and cold air mixing). I'll also be asking if it will if some of the ceiling tiles are changed out, replacing solid tiles with grates, allowing more hot air to float up into the plenum.

    Good luck!

  49. Re:As a former employee of one of those companies. by kitgerrits · · Score: 1

    Just a note about those silly Cisco switches:
    Servers have holes in the front and acbk to facilitate cooling. They can do this because the boards can be oriented in a way to facilitate this.

    Cisco Rack enclosures have high-density blades in the front(no roon to breathe) and a sizeable backbone in the back (A wall of PCB).

    Due to the hotplug nature of the blades, the backbone has to be mounted at the back (instead of using riser boards like in computers). The only other way to have it at the side is by making the server open at the side, like HP9000 computers. This means that every HP9000 rack has to stand alone to facilitate removal of the side panels (the servers are too heavy to slide out). You do not WANT be able to slide a Cisco 6500 out, because it usually has hundreds of cables attached.

    The blades, being solid in form, do not facilitate vertical cooling, either.

    This design leaves only one possible directioon of airflow: horizontal.
    And, yes, it has cost a friend of mine a core-switch when the cooling gave out (there were 3 of them stacked side-by-side).

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  50. I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    H/C containment is basically a way of only having to cool half the floor area of the DC. We basically take that a step further by forcing the air from the floor into the racks from below and duct it up to the front of the racks. We don't give a shit what the ambient temp is, only that the air temp at the top of the rack in front of the server at 42U is 22 C. If the racks get too hot you use an exhaust system to suck hot air out of the racks which in turn draws more air from the plenum. Its cheaper to cool the sealed racks than cool the whole friggin DC.

  51. 1 Vote for Hot-Aisle by SomewhatRandom · · Score: 1

    Air conditioners work more effeciently w/ hotter air. If you contain the hot aisle and use it as input for your AC and have the cool air exhausted from the AC units into the cold area of the room you can reduce the power draw required for cooling.

  52. APC Patents by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    APC Patented their hot-aisle containment, and that is the only reason they use it. While it is silly to think in terms of containing one or the other-- it is just separation-- you ideally want a high comportment for the hot aisle for stratification and stack effect. This prevents re-circulation and short-circuiting of hot air, and also makes the hot aisle a more bearable place to stand.

  53. It's simple really, contain the smaller aisle by moxsam · · Score: 1

    It's always easier to keep the heat away from the cold the smaller the containment area is. So if the hot aisle is small then contain it, if the cold aisle is small then contain the cold aisle. The smaller the aisle, the smaller the walls of the containment, the lesser the surface area, the more effective the insulation.

  54. Fantasy Cooling Approach... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never seen machines that do this (although liquid cooling comes closest)

    But what about having air ducts inside of computer boxes? (Possibly in and out)

    No fans within the machine itself, possibly having the "in" duct Y off, directing the cold air directly on the CPU heatsink, after chilling the box, on the way out (when air is partially warmed) have it vent through the power supply (which needs less cooling anyway)

    Then, chill only the equipment via a centralized fan, as a bonus, you can filter the air to virtually eliminate dust and never again have to repair a CPU fan.

  55. Old News by hallux.sinister · · Score: 1

    The McDonald's LT1 Supertasty Computer system (MC-DLT) has had isolation of hot and cold sections since the mid 1980's. They used less environmentally friendly poly-styrene, as the separator, not vinyl like Google does, but that's hardly relevant.

  56. Both? by NotNormal · · Score: 1

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you isolate one: don't you also isolate the other (kinda the point of isolation)? Then consider the physics of a server room in terms of airflow. You have cold air being pumped to the front of the servers as fast as possible to maintain a temperature (creating a high pressure zone). that air is being passed through the servers and the now hot air is being vented out to be chilled (creating a low pressure zone). So you pass from one aisle to the next you will have some clod air pass to the hot side, but no hot air will pass to the cold side because of the pressure difference.

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  57. Re:As a former employee of one of those companies. by GPSguy · · Score: 1

    What was Cisco thinking? Well, they weren't thinking about cooling.... probably about who to acquire next and call it "innovation".

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  58. Don't fart in the cold isle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your coworker is in the hot isle. My coworker does this to me all the time. I'll hear him say "Sorry!" and then a hot fart gets blown into my face.

  59. Plenum Ducting by infernari · · Score: 1

    We use a ceiling plenum ducted down to the AC units with an grated ceiling in the hot rows to create a vaccuum effect pulling the hot air in, and a 2 foot plenum underfloor with perf tiles in the fronts of the racks to deliver the cold. It's pretty efficient. We don't get a whole lot of spillover, even without damming the rows appart. We did use blanking panels in the racks to stop the convection, but for the most part we've found that air balancing works pretty well. A few small tweaks to the AC settings will give you a fair bit of control as to how much cold air goes where without too much hassle.
    We are testing out the chimney idea to separate even more, but so far I'm not loving it. Could be because the damn vendors keep trying to sell me fan controlled chimneys and I keep explaining to them that if you have a vaccuum on one side and a high pressure region on the other and you want air to go from the high pressure zone up to the vaccuum zone, you don't need a fan to do it. The laws of physics and thermodynamics still work. They don't grasp it. I dumb it down to the point of "this sucks hot air out. this blows cold air in. let the air handlers do their job." Nope. Please buy our fancy fans to do what nature will do anyways. Um, no. Bad vendor. No cookie. Stupid ASHRAE.

  60. Switch NevadaNAP has been doing this for years. by brainchill · · Score: 1

    http://switchnap.com/pages/tech-specs/thermal-scif.php for several years they have been using what they call "T-scif" (thermal separate compartment in facility) to do what google is showing here for us (sun/oracle) for many years.

  61. Re:why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It appears on the page lower in the default view therefore it shows up "after" other posts therefore making it redundant. The moderator obviously views the time space relationship from a quantum or relativity perspective and not a Newtonian notion that time is absolute.

  62. Turn off unused servers until they pay the ransom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tricky one really – should we separate the hot air from the cold air OR (radically) the cold air from the hot air?

    How about this for a radical idea – turn off the servers they’re not using until they pay the ransom?

    www.rackface.com