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Hot Sales In China For Wi-Fi Key-Cracking Kits

alphadogg writes "Dodgy salesmen in China are making money from long-known weaknesses in a Wi-Fi encryption standard, by selling network key-cracking kits for the average user. Wi-Fi USB adapters bundled with a Linux operating system, key-breaking software, and a detailed instruction book are being sold online and at China's bustling electronics bazaars. The kits, pitched as a way for users to surf the Web for free, have drawn enough buyers and attention that one Chinese auction site, Taobao.com, had to ban their sale last year. With one of the 'network-scrounging cards,' or 'ceng wang ka' in Chinese, a user with little technical knowledge can easily steal passwords to get online via Wi-Fi networks owned by other people. The kits are also cheap. A merchant in a Beijing bazaar sold one for 165 yuan ($24), a price that included setup help from a man at the other end of the sprawling, multistory building."

207 comments

  1. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    First post using my neighbor's wifi!

    1. Re:fp by sqldr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn you! I hate it when some wang ka leeches my next connection.

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    2. Re:fp by sakdoctor · · Score: 1

      This is what the kit looks like:

      http://www.xmman.cn/n13848c14.aspx

      You'd think TFA would have had a picture; you would think slashdot would have unicode support too.

    3. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WiFRY City? Is that a restaurant ad?

  2. Are these available in the states? by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    My neighbors have all started encrypting their wireless routers :-(.

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    1. Re:Are these available in the states? by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

      How are you going to steal my bytes when I don't pub my SSID?

    2. Re:Are these available in the states? by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By sniffing traffic to determine the existence of your network?

    3. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sure are available DIY, for the price of a halfway decent wireless card (optimally supporting injection), a box running linux, and the requisite AirCrack (the latter for the total price of free).

    4. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      iwlist still shows it.

      Silly windows user.

    5. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      The beacons aren't broadcasting the SSID, so you'd still need to sniff even even if it wasn't encrypted.

    6. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least nobody said they could rely on a NAT access list for security... yet.

    7. Re:Are these available in the states? by Pharmboy · · Score: 0

      My neighbors have all started encrypting their wireless routers :-(.

      Fortunately for you, you can get one of those Chinese wifi cracking kits cheap. Likely, your neighbors won't be thinking twice about security INSIDE the network, since they "know" they are secure now, making it easier to browse their pr0n collection.

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    8. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been 4+ years since I've even looked into this stuff, but I thought you needed a NIC / firmware capable of passive monitoring to do this. Which, essentially, rules out 99% of consumer hardware.

      If correct, then it would be stupid to rely on this feature alone, but still smart to enable it as added protection - if you're an asshole who doesn't care that your hidden network may be inadvertently interfering with neighbors' routers.

    9. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      iwlist shows them just fine.
      What do you think "iwlist scanning" does?

      Again I say, silly windows user.

    10. Re:Are these available in the states? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      you know.. i'm one of the lazy ones.. i don't bother with wep or wap or anything else.. just wide open and a mac filter.. why you ask?

      because anyone who knows what they are doing can get around a mac filter - 9 out of 10 times that person is doing it because they have a need to fill (aka stuck on this side of down and needs a net connection)

      what good is it?? well it stops my neighbors from connecting - and trying to download crap.. instead they just use someone else's - and it makes it simple for my wife to let others on.

      as for them "stealing" my traffic.. i don't use public wired connections nor even my own wireless without a VPN tunnel to the router.. or the network i'm working on.

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    11. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Maybe on windows. What you need is a driver that supports doing this, OSes where the drivers are not made the by original vendor don't have these limitations.

    12. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      because anyone who knows what they are doing can get around a mac filter

      Yes and no. It requires a few things to line up before you can just circumvent MAC filters. Namely, you need some legitimate devices on the wireless network to be active before you can use them.

    13. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure you are wrong, and it's a firmware/hw issue, but then again, I am no authority. Linux isn't somehow magical in this aspect. I do know that iwlist was severely limited on my Linksys router (using Openwrt).

      Even the manpage of iwlist attests to this:

      scan[ning]
                                  Give the list of Access Points and Ad-Hoc cells in range, and
                                  optionally a whole bunch of information about them (ESSID, Qual-
                                  ity, Frequency, Mode...). The type of information returned
                                  depends on what the card supports.

    14. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have a fundamental misunderstanding of 802.11 and belligerence/holier-than-thou attitude to boot. An 802.11 access point will not respond to a probe with its actual SSID if it's configured to not broadcast SSID. If it were not heeding this directive, you'd still see the access point using a Windows station. This condition is the express purpose of the "don't broadcast SSID" directive.

      You can verify your incorrectness by disabling SSID broadcast on an AP with proper firmware, actually saving the setting, ifconfig interface down/ifconfig interface up and attempting iwlist again. If you see an ESSID other than an empty string in your output, then you'll see the access point on Windows too, provided the band is supported by your Windows wireless hardware as well. Any other result is you doing it wrong or just plain trolling.

      The only time you'll see the actual SSID of these types of APs are clients setting the ESSID field in packets they send to the AP, which would require you to sniff.

      People like you are a significant contributing factor in the slow adoption of Linux, so thanks for that.

    15. Re:Are these available in the states? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...making it easier to browse their pr0n collection. My neighbors are all devout Christians, meaning I'm not interested in their pr0n collections -- that shit is WAY too kinky for me!

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    16. Re:Are these available in the states? by Tiger4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      See that's where I fool 'em. I don't encrypt my traffic. They'll search all day and never find the key!

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    17. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you could write a custom driver that simply XORs all wireless traffic, and be safer than using WPA2. Seriously - who's going to expect you wrote your own (5-minute) encryption?

    18. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Your wireless router, which probably is using a binary-only kernel module (this is why so many routers need a 2.4 kernel, BTW), doesn't tell you magical stuff. And you're using the wrong tool anyway, try airodump, kismet, etc.

    19. Re:Are these available in the states? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      What? I haven't seen a wifi card that isn't capable of that, aside from ones that pointblank don't work on Linux without annoying hacks (NDISwrapper), like broadcom-based ones.

      You typically can't do that kind of thing on Windows, but it's trivial on Linux.

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    20. Re:Are these available in the states? by Vellmont · · Score: 0


      How are you going to steal my bytes when I don't pub my SSID?

      I believe both Netstumbler and Kismet reveal hidden SSIDs. Every wireless node on your network broadcasts the SSID of your network, even if the AP doesn't. If you believe you're safe because you're a sUp3r 3l33t h/-\x0r who hid his SSID, think again. These are entirely trivial and free programs to run that quickly grab your "hidden" SSID.

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    21. Re:Are these available in the states? by GillyGuthrie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and it makes it simple for my wife to let others on.

      It seems simpler to configure WPA/WPA2 and just type in a password than to manually configure the router to allow a specific MAC address...

    22. Re:Are these available in the states? by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On a side subject, it would be nice for a wireless AP to have the ability to use multiple (like up to 255+) WPA2-PSK keys, one individual key per machine. Yes, this encroaches on WPA-Enterprise, but this would provide the ability to lock out a compromised machine off the network just by zapping its key, as opposed to having to rekey every single box on the wireless segment.

    23. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Binary driver for that wireless maybe?

    24. Re:Are these available in the states? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are several tools you can use to get the SSID from a "Non broadcasting" device.

      Linux:
      http://www.kismetwireless.net/,
      Airjack,
      Many others...

      Windows:
      AirMagnet
      AirSnort

      I just listed the most common for the particular OS. I do know they can be compiled onto other systems.

      If you take a minute to step away from your knee jerk reaction to correcting people and think about it, you would realize* that at some point it has to broadcast the SSID or know one could ever maintain connection.

      http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/04/21/wi-fi-mythbuster-do-not-hide-your-ssid/

      So it is trivial to get an SSID from one that is hidden.

      * Against all evidence. I'm assuming your not actually an idiot

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    25. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I see an ESSID that is blank!
      But I see the channel info and all the rest.
      Which iwlist shows just fine.
      Your point was?

    26. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Oh and learn how to take a joke you stick in the mud.

    27. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      To clear this up for you, it means I can still steal his bits and his network is not magically hidden like you seem to think.
      Sure iwlist only told me it was there, but it tells me that now is the time to start logging network traffic to steal those bits.

    28. Re:Are these available in the states? by techoi · · Score: 1

      Oh, what I would give for a mod point...Well said!

    29. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was around four months ago, before I tossed that old Linksys router out, but it was using the b43 driver on the 2.6 kernel. It didn't support monitoring at all.

    30. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      I was just telling parent why 'iwlist' isn't the tool for the job here, I already provided for the 'sniffing' alternative, of which kismet and the rest comprise. 'iwlist' is just like standard Windows and Linux wireless clients in that it sends out probes to look for APs.

    31. Re:Are these available in the states? by bbk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are certain AP's and firmware that have a built-in RADIUS server for WPA/WPA2 Enterprise.

    32. Re:Are these available in the states? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except he is wrong. So I'm glad you don't have mod point to help this yahoo make people think a system is hidden just by hiding the SSID.

      SSID is trivial to get.

      People like him are a significant factor in the slow adoption or proper security procedures. So thank him for that.

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    33. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      "The beacons aren't broadcasting the SSID, so you'd still need to sniff even even if it wasn't encrypted."
      My point is, as I said earlier, iwlist isn't the tool for the job for breaking into wireless access points which hide their SSID. You stated that you were able to determine the ESSID of such a network using just iwlist, and I felt the need to point out that you were using it incorrectly, being that you felt the need to denigrate those 'silly Windows users'.

    34. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is EAP-PSK (used with WPA-Enterprise). Also, IIRC hostapd can use a different key for each peer (using the MAC address to chose the right one) with WPA-PSK.

    35. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      You: Silly Windows user, iwlist will show them just fine! Me: You can't decloak an AP by sending out probes. That's not how it works.
      You: Lulz silly Windows user, iwlist works just fine like I said!
      Me: You're wrong and here's why...
      You: Lulz I was just joking hahaha!

      That about right?

    36. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      Lol no, I'm not wrong. Read the reply I gave to your other comment before you jump to that conclusion. "I was just telling parent why 'iwlist' isn't the tool for the job here, I already provided for the 'sniffing' alternative, of which kismet and the rest comprise. 'iwlist' is just like standard Windows and Linux wireless clients in that it sends out probes to look for APs."

    37. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I never stated such a thing, you misread what I wrote, thanks for playing.

      "iwlist still shows it".
      It being the network I was going to steal bits from. You could have asked for clarification, instead you got offended at a little joke.

      Judging by your userID you must be new here. That was a joke too, I am humorously pointing out that your userID is higher than mine.You see denigrating silly windows users is what we do here, again I am making a joke about typical slashdot users.

        If your going to be a jerk about it, you can forget about the free wifi dongle I offered.

    38. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MCSE much? ...n00b.

    39. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      To make it even more clear, your "you would need to sniff even if it was not encrypted" uses It in the place of his network the same way I did.

      Now go take a break, go upstairs and see your mom and relax. That last part was a joke about basement dwellers on slashdot. Are you keeping up with me?

    40. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      So, the comment you're replying to asks innocently "But if I hide my SSID how are you going to find it?" You respond "iwlist shows it silly Windows user". But I'm not to take "it" to mean SSID, when that was the subject of your parent's comment? Heh, no. Your responses to mine have been you trying to save face. I wasn't in need of clarification, you were in need if a little ego check. ;)

    41. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      again not what I said.

      Good jerb!

      The reality is I was talking about getting the network to steal teh bits, you are talking about showing ESSIDs which is but a small part of it. I only need to see if a network is there or not.

    42. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the support, at least I know someone saw it other than those people in need of a little knowledge and a little less ego. :)

    43. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The fact is I misread your initial comment. You are still a dweeb who can't take a joke about his use of windows.

      Oh and now, no free usb wifi for you kiddo.

    44. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      I'll leave you to read the other comment I left for you, though I do need to make a note that you ran through the test I suggested before claiming you were joking. ;)

    45. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Yet, it does show networks with blank ESSIDS, which is what my point was.

    46. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      And that's not the ACTUAL SSID of the network, LOL! That's what iwlist shows when it cannot determine the actual SSID homeslice.

    47. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      huh?

      I ran the test, it worked proving me right.
      It showed a network without an ESSID. Which was my claim from the start.

      I have always been joking about silly windows users, I know many of the poor bastards.

    48. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Can you not read?
      This is not even my first language and I seem to manage. Ishowed you that iwlist shows networks without an ESSID. It tells you everything but the ESSID meaning the network is not hidden and I can steal the bits.

    49. Re:Are these available in the states? by flerchin · · Score: 1

      Me too. This is the exact setup I use at home.

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      --why?
    50. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I DO NOT NEED THE SSID TO STEAL BITS YOU DUMB FUCK!

      I only need to know a network is there, then I can record all the traffic I want.

    51. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      This is obvious backpedaling, as I already said. You replied to a commenter who asked "But what if I hide my SSID" that they were a silly Windows user and that `iwlist` will show it just fine. Your argument is like a closed shape with no vertexes.

    52. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I will simplyfy this for you, since you seem to be quite slow.

      With a blank SSID it does not show up in the windows network manager, but iwlist shows a network there. This means the bits can be stolen. Is that too fast for you? It means the original question posed is quite silly.

    53. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      It was not, the it must be the network to steal bits from. Why would anyone need the fucking ESSID at all? Steal bytes would be to record his traffic.

      To connect to it, you use a different tool to get it. Iwlist shows that you can do this, by showing you that a network is there.

    54. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1, Interesting

      iwlist will show the network, what part of that are you not grasping in your little pea sized brain?

      I am not backpedlling. The only thing I made a mistake with is your initial reply, I should have told you that you misunderstood me then.

      Hiding the SSID is the action of a silly windows user it accomplishes nothing.

    55. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      To connect to it, you use a different tool to get it. Iwlist shows that you can do this, by showing you that a network is there.

      Hey! Congratulations! By "it" I presume you mean ESSID, so you finally said something true. Thank you for finally conceding my correctness, took you long enough to get to this point. :P

    56. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      Lol, of course iwlist will show _some_ information about the network, as networks are configured to beacon at a given time interval with information such as band, BSSID, available throughputs, etc. Minus these being broadcast, we'd have to configure every little option about the network. It just excludes the SSID when the feature we're talking about is turned on, as I've stated time and time again. I've never claimed contrary to this, though you seem to wish I had. I stated (and rightly so) that iwlist will not show the ESSID of a network that hides its ESSID. You're changing your statements to try and save face/backpedal/whathaveyou. I've already proved that you thought ESSID would show up even when the AP is configured not to broadcast it, and I don't feel like stating that again here, as I've had to quote myself on it several times already. You can post all you want in reply to my comments, I'll reply to every single one of them to show how you're wrong. No one who knows what they're talking about is going to accept what you say. ;)

    57. Re:Are these available in the states? by h4rr4r · · Score: 0, Troll

      I concede you are a small brained fuck that happens to be correct about something that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

      I firmly hope you learn to read one day soon. I also hope you find a network card since I wont be giving you one of mine. Also you should probably switch to a better OS, you silly windows user:P

    58. Re:Are these available in the states? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      I'll reproduce this from another of my comments: Lol, of course iwlist will show _some_ information about the network, as networks are configured to beacon at a given time interval with information such as band, BSSID, available throughputs, etc. Minus these being broadcast, we'd have to configure every little option about the network. It just excludes the SSID when the feature we're talking about is turned on, as I've stated time and time again. I've never claimed contrary to this, though you seem to wish I had. I stated (and rightly so) that iwlist will not show the ESSID of a network that hides its ESSID. You're changing your statements to try and save face/backpedal/whathaveyou. I've already proved that you thought ESSID would show up even when the AP is configured not to broadcast it, and I don't feel like stating that again here, as I've had to quote myself on it several times already. You can post all you want in reply to my comments, I'll reply to every single one of them to show how you're wrong. No one who knows what they're talking about is going to accept what you say. ;)

    59. Re:Are these available in the states? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet you could write a custom driver that simply XORs all wireless traffic,

      Even better, a custom driver that XOR's the traffic twice for double the protection.

    60. Re:Are these available in the states? by socceroos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Commentator 1: And in the blue corner we have seasoned slashdotter and daisy-cutter h4rr4r. His opponent today is the unheard-of Rijnzael...
      Commentator 2: Yeah, Bob - rumour has it that this Rijnzael dude is a cryptographer wannabe...
      Commentator 1: Indeed! Round one is about to begin...
      DING!
      Commentator 1: We're off! Both contestants start jostling.
      KABAM!!!
      Commentator 1: Wow! h4rr4r has just run to the side of the ring and flattened a member of the crowd who started shouting out about something to do with hidden SSIDs. That was unexpected!!
      THUD!!
      Commentator 1: Ouch! And with h4rr4r's back turned, Rijnzael has snuck in from behind and layed a stiff elbow into the back of h4rr4r's head! He's reeling off something about the legitimacy of hidden SSIDs.
      Commentator 2: It's all happening here, Bob. h4rr4r looks stunned... Rijnzael has bounced back to the middle of the ring - he almost looks surprised that he was able to land that blow. h4rr4r is turning around to face him...
      BIFF!!! BOP!!!
      Commentator 1: Thats gotta hurt! h4rr4r lays a couple of punches on Rijnzael!
      Commentator 2: h4rr4r really likes that iwlist+luser combo doesn't he! Rijnzael stumbles backward. He's composing himself now...
      DING DING DING!!
      Commentator 1: Oooooh! And with that the round ends! Rijnzael looks upset, he was getting all fired up for his next attack! Look at the anger in that bloke's eyes will ya!
      Commentator 2: Agreed. Rijnzael is itching to get back out there! h4rr4r is looking around the crowd... Ok, we're about to start round 2.
      DING!
      Commentator 1: And we're back into it. Rijnzael is bouncing like a kangaroo, he's pumped! Oh! He's moving in...
      BAP!! PUNT!! THUD!!
      Commentator 1: WOOOOOWW! What a combo! Rijnzael has hit h4rr4r squarely on the nose here! h4rr4r stumbles backwards and hits the ropes, arms splayed!
      POW!!! KABIFF!!!
      Commentator 2: Oh wow! "Fundamental Misunderstanding", "Belligerence", "Verifiable Incorrectness" - Rijnzael is throwing everything and the kitchen sink at h4rr4r!
      KABLOOIE!
      Commentator 1: An explosive hit! Rijnzael just landed a "slow adoption of Linux" blow on h4rr4r!
      Commentator 2: My goodness, Bob! You don't do that to a seasoned slashdotter! h4rr4r has gritted his teeth now, boy he looks in pain! What a grimace!
      *CROWD ROARING*
      Commentator 2: Here we go! h4rr4r's senior, geekoid, has just jumped into the ring!! Talk about uneven now!
      Commentator 1: Whats going on?! Looks like he got annoyed at the Linux reference! This is starting to look like a WWE match now!
      BOP! POW! BAP! BIFF!!
      **CARRIER LOST

      I'd better get back to RL and start working.
      'twas fun boys.

    61. Re:Are these available in the states? by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course these kits can be used far more destructively than just for free browsing. By penetrating a secure and encrypted connection, the legal holder of that connection is far more likely to be held criminally liable for the activity on their network.

      Guilty until proven innocent for child porn, threats of violence against politicians and, terrorist related speech, these kits are quite dangerous. In China of course their version of the three worst things to do on the internet are speaking out for freedom, democracy and an end to government corruption, of course those is a far more risky activities to do in China.

      Any political candidates out there, don't be cheap, wire up you homes because wireless could be the end of your career.

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    62. Re:Are these available in the states? by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that if someone hacks into your wifi connection and commits crimes, you won't be held responsible. For that matter, you can drive up to most hotels, coffee houses, airports, private homes, etc. and connect to their wifi without any password or encryption, which is exactly what someone would do if they needed the connection, not crack one.

      They can't arrest you for child porn, etc. if they don't have the evidence (ie: it being on your computer), nor for threats of violence or any thing else you claim, simply because it comes back to your IP address at that time. They might be able to get a warrant, but certainly not an arrest or conviction without some actual evidence. Ask your lawyer. As for political candidates, how is the "other side" going to get the ISP records to track it back to you?

      I think you are overstating the danger as the connection owner just a tad.

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    63. Re:Are these available in the states? by h00manist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Aircrack is, curiously, one of the few tools that cannot be ported to windows, and which actually manages to attract people to run linux, just for this app. It's a "killer app", as they call it, which carries it's platform. Makes me think, sometimes, more open source software should be circulated without any windows ports or binaries at all, to keep people on open source platforms... of course, it goes against the whole idea of open...

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    64. Re:Are these available in the states? by socceroos · · Score: 1

      Boy, I could write a book covering this joust if I were to continue my comment above! =)

    65. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation?
      or link?
      maybe openwrt has capabilities?

    66. Re:Are these available in the states? by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For those crimes being accused is sufficient to destroy your life, especially when it often takes a considerable period of time to clear things up, months and often years. The 'other side' is law enforcement and they have no problem tracking accessing you via your ISP. As for selectively breaking into a connection to target a specific person, simple proximity and monitoring over a short time will be sufficient to identify the specific target, upon whom you wish to piggy back questionable traffic.

      Not long ago a person was presumed guilty by the RIAA and a civil court a fined hundreds of thousands of dollars, with no physical evidence just the ISP records, with the persons claim that someone broke into their network not being accepted as a defence with out "PROOF OF BREAK IN" ie they were required to prove themselves innocent. Of course that is civil versus criminal but the point can be mute if it is equally punishing at the end of the day.

      Oddly enough legally speaking having a completely insecure and open wireless network would be safer than a secured and encrypted network ie on the unsecured one you do not have to prove someone else accessed it.

      PS the first step of breaking into people's computers is breaking into their network especially their internal network versus secured beyond the firewall internet connection (well, hopefully at least that). In charged political times and under social economic stresses, these destructive attacks become more prevalent, the real point is innocent until proven guilty needs to be at the forefront of all computer and network based crimes, especially when it comes to confiscation of technological devices for forensic analysis until the investigation is completed months or years later.

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    67. Re:Are these available in the states? by fsulawndart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All the Cisco APs have built-in RADIUS servers.

    68. Re:Are these available in the states? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      Jesus fucking christ you two. Get a room...

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    69. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cite? I checked Cisco's AP page, and apparently if you want a RADIUS server, you use one existing on the network, or one built into one of the other Cisco products. It would be nice to have it built into the AP, but it seems the only that did was a brand that isn't carried anymore.

    70. Re:Are these available in the states? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Even better, a custom driver that XOR's the traffic twice for double the protection.

      I swear next time you rot26 your posts I'm killfiling you!

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    71. Re:Are these available in the states? by Maarx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Aircrack is, curiously, one of the few tools that cannot be ported to windows, and which actually manages to attract people to run linux, just for this app. It's a "killer app", as they call it, which carries it's platform. Makes me think, sometimes, more open source software should be circulated without any windows ports or binaries at all, to keep people on open source platforms... of course, it goes against the whole idea of open...

      While I cannot debate it's status as a "killer app", the reason it works is not that the code for Aircrack cannot be ported, but instead because Windows does not possess the underlying DLL's to support it. In fact, the fork project, Aircrack-ng, has a port for Windows, with a giant alt-text disclaimer on the download link that says it doesn't work without DLL's that they do not provide (i.e., they do not believe exist). The result is the same, but it's inaccurate to speak of it as an inability to translate the program "source".

    72. Re:Are these available in the states? by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      Odd. The _only_ wifi adapter i have that linux finds and uses is a broadcom one. 431X or something. I have had no luck with various netgear and belkin and no-name spurious cards and dongles.

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    73. Re:Are these available in the states? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It's all down to the drivers... Most cards will go into monitor mode with the linux or bsd drivers.
      I have atheros, ralink, intel, prism2 (old), and realtek cards all of which are perfectly capable of monitor mode, i tend to keep away from broadcom cards but aparrently they can be made to do it aswell. Have a read of the kismet website sometime, it has a list of supported cards.

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    74. Re:Are these available in the states? by skirov · · Score: 1

      Actually the safest way would be to have a reasonably secured network within close proximity of someone else who leaves theirs open. No one would bother cracking yours.

    75. Re:Are these available in the states? by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Chinese law != US law

      What makes you so sure they'd even bother to look for evidence on your local computer?

    76. Re:Are these available in the states? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Got to be even more careful if you want to browse other people's porn collection when in Vatican City ;).

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    77. Re:Are these available in the states? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Not sure what the cops do in China, but in many parts of the world the police can take your stuff as part of their investigations.

      If you're lucky, you might get your stuff back just before it's obsolete...

      If you're unlucky, the police might do a bad job of investigating the crime and somehow get child-porn onto your computer.

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    78. Re:Are these available in the states? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > What makes you so sure they'd even bother to look for evidence on your local computer?

      Only if they planted it there ;).

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    79. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're not worried that all your network activity including passwords and potentially SSN/credit card numbers are just being sent through the air in plaintext?

    80. Re:Are these available in the states? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. I have a no-name Atheros 5007, a RT73 based intellinet and a 8187l based Gsky that all work in linux. Haven't tried my Dlink (5007 based, so should work too)...

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    81. Re:Are these available in the states? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Personally I know I've had problems with netgear wireless cards on linux.
      It's a bit pot luck.

    82. Re:Are these available in the states? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      he beat you.
      Deal with it.

    83. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you responding so many times? Is it because you got owned and feel like a complete moron?

      I think it is.

    84. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows guys have sex with real women.
      Linux guys jack off to pictures of fat goth chicks.

      Windows guys live in their own houses.
      Linux guys live with their mothers.

      Windows guys exercise, eat well and are in good shape.
      Linux guys are either frail, malnourished twinks or sweaty, fat mouthbreathers.

      Windows guys wear nice clothing, have clean masculine haircuts and good personal hygiene.
      Linux guys wear soiled thrift store clothing, have greasy ponytails and smell like a combination of cigarettes, crotch rot and ass.

    85. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need to learn context and how to read. He wasn't wrong. In fact, he was the exact opposite of wrong.

      The reality is that you are only looking for an excuse to bluster because you are butthurt that someone dared to imply that Linux isn't some all-powerful force that allows you to break the laws of the universe. You can know all you want about wireless networking, packet sniffing and Linux but until you learn some communication skills you are still a fucking idiot.

    86. Re:Are these available in the states? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      My cheap Belkin ($15) can use a RADIUS server for authentication.

      It can also setup two WPA-PSK passwords instead, a "main" and a "guest", which doesn't have access to the other machine's traffic nor can it connect to them.

      I use this later solution; I use a secure "main" password and the guest password is equal to the SSID.

    87. Re:Are these available in the states? by batrick · · Score: 1

      Ya that's stupid. Just wait until some pedo comes along and starts downloading kiddie porn on your network. I'm sure the FBI will enjoy your story.

    88. Re:Are these available in the states? by daten · · Score: 1

      Another reason to use WPA isn't to keep them out of your network, but to protect your privacy. WEP keys are easy to crack and you can decrypt any packet with the same key, you don't need to sniff the entire session. WPA keys are much harder to crack and (afaik) you need to sniff from the beginning of the session to decrypt any part of it.

      Using WEP or no encryption at all lets your neighbors and anyone in the area (or far away with the right antenna) watch your traffic. SSL will only help you so much since they can also potentially MITM any of your connections with ARP poisoning.

    89. Re:Are these available in the states? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      as compared to what>? if i had wep or wap set up and they took the time to crack it - same result? person gets on and does something - both of which you have zero proof of - honestly a would think the FBI would believe the story better if the network wasn't encrypted vs it being.

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    90. Re:Are these available in the states? by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      What? I haven't seen a wifi card that isn't capable of that, aside from ones that pointblank don't work on Linux without annoying hacks (NDISwrapper), like broadcom-based ones.

      Broadcom cards have actually been easy to set up for the past couple years ever since the b43 project took off, unless you have one of the few models that b43 doesn't support. Broadcom cards just need firmware to work; the stock kernel in most distros supports the actual device natively.

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    91. Re:Are these available in the states? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Has the B43 project page (http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43) been down for awhile or is it getting slashdotted?

      Though I do have one of the unsupported cards in my laptop, namely the BCM-4321, which is an N card.

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    92. Re:Are these available in the states? by rawler · · Score: 1

      Q: How are you going to steal my bytes when I don't pub my SSID?
      A: iwlist still shows it.

      Uhm, is it possible you haven't realized by now, that "it" in the original answer does not refer to "my SSID", but to the network, as "my bytes"? I had no problems getting the point the first time, and I've seen no backpedaling.

      Lovely "discussion", both of you managing to convey nothing in so many words. That's what I love about slashdot, keep the good work up!

    93. Re:Are these available in the states? by rawler · · Score: 1

      The real danger is actually in the grandparent.

      Likely, your neighbors won't be thinking twice about security INSIDE the network, since they "know" they are secure now, making it easier to browse their pr0n collection.

      It's not exactly uncommon for even moderately security-aware people to have all kinds of open doors locally behind their lovely little NAT-box, making it very relatively easy for a malicious neighbour to cause all kinds of damage.

      What are the chances you pissed some neighbour off in the past month?

    94. Re:Are these available in the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the post was inaccurate as much as imprecise. I also don't believe more precision added anything to the conversation. Neither does this comment.

    95. Re:Are these available in the states? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      until Windows started coming with a Posix library, you had your wish

  3. WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Free Wifi cracking kit: Download here and use with brain 1.0 and any USB wireless dongle.

    1. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, not any USB wireless dongles, only those capable of packet injection: http://backtrack.offensive-security.com/index.php?title=HCL:Wireless

    2. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by Kenz0r · · Score: 1

      I've been meaning to buy a wireless dongle for playing around with Backtrack, but I heard not all of them support packet sniffing or packet injection.

      Can anyone recommend me a commonly available dongle that would support this, with good Linux drivers?

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    3. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by antdude · · Score: 1

      Any USB wirelss dongles? I never got my old Hawking Technology's Hi-Gain USB Wireless-G Adapter (Model: HWU54D; original version) to work under Linux and Backtrack CD. :(

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    4. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by maxume · · Score: 1

      They have a hardware compatibility forum:

      http://www.backtrack-linux.org/forums/

      I've used it on this laptop, it has lots of Intel parts in it (none of which were all that fancy when I bought it). I suppose they probably don't bother making USB dongles though.

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    5. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by wasabioss · · Score: 1
    6. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by siliconincdotnet · · Score: 1

      I just picked one up for that exact purpose - Newegg has a Rosewill wifi adapter (with external antenna connector) for $20. Works great in Linux and OSX, as it's a RTL8187 device.

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    7. Re:WEP not secure, use WPA with random key by Bert64 · · Score: 1
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  4. Hello Chinaman... by FF8Jake · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    My SSH tunnels, let me show you them.

  5. backtrack? aircrack-ng? by el_tedward · · Score: 1

    You can already get stuff to do this for free. Is this stuff that's getting sold made for the less technical crowd or something?

    1. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by SomeJoel · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah, hey, look at TFS FFS you SOB:

      a user with little technical knowledge can easily steal passwords

      Note the lack of an article between "with" and "little".

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    2. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by Rijnzael · · Score: 1

      Where can I get some free wifi USB dongles or PCMCIA cards?

    3. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I would assume your laptop already has a wireless card, if not I can give you a B one for nothing.

      My username at gmail.com if you really want one.

    4. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they will have good luck with gmail. Oh noes teh gmail will have more filtering to do, you will surely put google right out of business.

    5. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the worst thing that has ever happened to you.

    6. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed. I treasure my gmail account as I treasure the time I spend plundering your mothers anus.

    7. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by Guppy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I treasure my gmail account as I treasure the time I spend plundering your mothers anus.

      The above sentence is remarkably funny if read in Sean Connery's voice, directed to an imaginary Alex Trebek.

    8. Re:backtrack? aircrack-ng? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Great minds think a like :)

  6. How hard? by Elitist_Phoenix · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seriously. Usb Wifi Dongle + Rainbow Tables DVD + Backtrack = Win?!

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    1. Re:How hard? by fl_litig8r · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. Fail as long as AP is using WPA or WPA2 and a decent non-dictionary passphrase. Rainbow tables don't work on all passwords. Usually they just pre-calculate PSKs using large dictionaries with some minor mangling applied. Also, because the SSID of the AP is hashed into PSK, you need a rainbow table for the specific SSID you are trying to hack. So while some common SSID's like "linksys" or "attwifi" (Google church of the renderlab for most common ssids with pre-made tables) may be more vulnerable, if their passphrase is a 20-character, non-dictionary mix of alphanumeric, upper/lower case and special characters, you won't be cracking it in your lifetime using today's best hardware. For some impressive cracking of WPA/2 (after you capture the 4-way handshake), check out Pyrit, which uses GPU computing to blow away programs like aircrack or cowpatty. Using a radeon 4850, I can calculate over 20,000 PSKs/sec for any given SSID using a wordlist, john the ripper, crunch, or any other dictionary tool. But just to give you an idea of how futile this can be, I've calculated over 5 billion PSKs for a neighbor's WPA2-PSK router (it has a non-standard SSID) and I've only gone through 2% of an incomplete wordlist which is being mangled with john the ripper. Note: this is not for malicious intent. I have 2 neighbors using WEP that I cracked in about 10 mins and I haven't used their wifi -- just new to backtrack and playing around. To sum up: I doubt I'll ever crack my neighbor's WPA2, even if I were calculating 100,000 PSKs/sec. There are just too many possibilities once you leave the dictionary. So my advice: Use a non-standard SSID, and WPA2-PSK (radius is even better, obviously) with a non-dictionary password of 12 or more characters. Most hackers will give up on you and move on. This junk they're selling in China just sounds like WEP cracking stuff, which any slashdotter could learn in about an hour or less from the aircrack-ng site.

  7. Wifi cracker....can I get it at Spencers by irreverant · · Score: 1

    Sure, I can use AirCrack or a number of techniques or utilities, the same way I can freeze dry my own vomit and make it look like vomit from Spencers, but it's just not the same, Where can I get one of these for the novelty of it. I can't go to Spencers....

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    1. Re:Wifi cracker....can I get it at Spencers by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      It ain't the same because that is not how you make fake vomit. In this case just get the backtrax cd, that is all these kits have.

  8. Video in action by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Informative

    Video of cengwang ka in action here. Someone whose mandarin is better than mine will have to provide a translation. "Mee-ma" means password. Heck, I might get one just to use it in airports and other places where jerks charge for internet. Evidently they are illegal as taobao.com (the Chinese ebay) doesn't list them while a simple google search turns up dozens of vendors. I'll have to check on these next time I go to the computer market.

    Another notable aspect of this story is that it's actually accurate. China is a blank slate to most Westerners and I have seen journalists fabricate the most outrageous lies simply because it "fits the narrative" (narrative=preconceived ideas). No surprise the guy who wrote this was in Beijing, it's like the world ends for journalists outside the fifth ring road.

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    1. Re:Video in action by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that a lot of +5 insightful/informative comments here in slashdot about China are nothing more than "narrative" but not based on first-person observation/experience.

    2. Re:Video in action by pokechop · · Score: 1

      I love the translations of the ads- what is "prevention husband derailment trick"?

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    3. Re:Video in action by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I stay away from the bazaars when I visit Shanghai. Those peddlers can be harder to shake off than fleas on a dog's back.

      And no! I don't want a damn "Rolex" watch.

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    4. Re:Video in action by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      First person observation and experience in the old days was called journalism. Now we have reporters travelling the extra bit to make the news, especially when it doesn't fit their narrative.

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    5. Re:Video in action by geekoid · · Score: 0

      "e jerks charge for internet. "

      Those jerks. Paying for bandwidth and maintenance and then having the gall to charge for it.

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    6. Re:Video in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet wants to be free.

    7. Re:Video in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you want actual news about China from Chinese folks, try ChinaSMACK. They cover whatever Chinese internet users are talking about. Half of it is tabloid type crap, but it's more authentic than what you get in most newspapers.

    8. Re:Video in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it just me, or did the instruction sheet the video showed give operating instructions for Backtrack 3? Heck, the included CD even has the Backtrack dragon printed on it.

    9. Re:Video in action by Zarel · · Score: 4, Informative

      You Slashdotters haven't been very nice when talking about my country recently. :( But I'll forgive you. Here's a translation:

      woman: "[incoherent] Wi-Fi key cracking kits are an extremely important threat to the safety of the Internet"

      woman: "Here, we simply follow these instructions, and then use the CD drive [sic] to access the password cracking software, and five seconds later, it indeed shows us five Wi-Fi access points. Clicking one, the computer starts to automatically crack the password, and after a while, it displays a string of numbers."

      man: "[incoherent] Looking at this, does this say that it's done yet?"

      other man: "Yeah, it says it's successful; it's connected to the Internet now."

      man: "So you can go and browse the web now?"

      other man: "Yep, you can, using its [the key cracker's] connection."

      other man: "Here, you can see four wireless signals, and the connections are pretty nice, at a speed of [incoherent]."

      woman: "Continuing our explanation, these key cracking kits are a type of external Wi-Fi card, but their ability to search for access points is stronger. What's scarier is that it comes with black-hat hacking software, that can let you hack into others' router administration panels. If this kind of tool falls into the wrong hands, it could have serious consequences, such as disruption of service."

      other man: "This software is very powerful. This one can crack passwords, and see here, I'm copying this guy's files - copying them to my own computer."

      woman: "[some organization I didn't catch the name of] says that Internet hacking incidents are steadily increasing. In actuality, securing a computer is not difficult, and modern OSes have mechanisms to limit how many people can connect, and who has permission to connect."

      other man: "Here, they've disabled DHCP and I'm connected, but I can't browse the Web since I don't have an IP address."

      woman: "To clarify, Wi-Fi cracking happens overseas as well. Several countries have already enacted laws preventing it; [incoherent] and Singapore, for instance, have made Wi-Fi cracking crimes. England has not only made it illegal, but are actively hunting infringers. However, China still hasn't passed laws regarding it."

      caller: "There are two sides to every issue. One one hand, it's password cracking, which is clearly wrong. But on the other hand, it's accessing the Internet for free, which should really be controlled by the owner of the access point and definitely [interrupted]"

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    10. Re:Video in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought "Mee-ma" translated to "my small rock kills your enchanted bunny".

    11. Re:Video in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone whose mandarin is better than mine will have to provide a translation.
      I've noticed that mandarins are freshest just prior to Xmas holidays. If you've kept yours this long, then it's little wonder that you expect someone else to have a better mandarin.

    12. Re:Video in action by Threni · · Score: 1

      > You Slashdotters haven't been very nice when talking about my country recently. :(

      Well, when I went there, it sucked. (I preferred the other destinations on that journey - Hong Kong, Laos, Burma and Thailand). I've never seen such a bunch of miserable looking fuckers. I think you need some more `smiling education`. No-one's ever going to be confused as to whether they're in China or Thailand, are they? And why did I get such a hard time getting into the country (my visa was missing a leading zero). I can understand the need to stop people escaping, but I wouldn't have thought too many people were forging ID so they could escape Hong Kong and live in China!

    13. Re:Video in action by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "Mee-ma" means password.

      What all 1 billion+ Chinese people use the same password? Surely that's a big security hole right there?

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  9. RFID/Blink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps I'm a bit behind the times, but I'm just as worried about the RFID 'Blink' chip embedded in my new credit card.

  10. Paying for linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so lets get this straight, the same chineese who wont pay for windowz, pay for a free linux distro to crack wifi? Genius...cant blame them who wants to pay for windows

  11. I have a question. by 3seas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is china or the people of, so interested in causing problems on the internet?

    IS this just a way of rebelling that is safe for them from their government (the party they would really like to rebel against.)

    1. Re:I have a question. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Why would they want to rebel against the Party? Since Deng Xiaoping hijacked the people's revolution onto the capitalist road back in 1982, things have only gotten better in the PRC. Every year for the past thirty years has been better than the last. They got the Olympics and now the World Expo, and hell even the President of the United States bows his head in acknowledgement of China's superiority. Obviously the Party is doing something right.

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    2. Re:I have a question. by vxice · · Score: 1

      No we do it here too. We just have been messing with the internet longer so it is no longer news, damn n00bz.

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    3. Re:I have a question. by vxice · · Score: 0

      Why can't it be that Obama was showing due respect to a fellow world leader. It's not like he was looking the other way while companies ship billions of dollars to a country with a horrible human rights record and labor standards. Or sells us oil to finance terrorist organizations. But yeah you are right the whole bowing thing that is the real problem we can't be seen to be respecting them while we do it in private by selling our souls for $1 a dozen tube socks or a cheap fill up.

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    4. Re:I have a question. by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative

      The summary says what the motive is: to make $24 selling the kits.

    5. Re:I have a question. by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Without question, China is on fantastic road to recovery. Each year I go over there, I'm blown away at the level of progress going on. But make no mistake about it, going the capitalist road was rather self-serving of the CCP. The amount of kickbacks and bribery that goes on dwarf that of our American politicians. That's saying a lot.

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    6. Re:I have a question. by geekoid · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I wonder if it is some sort of racist characteristic to assume Obama is doing anything but a normal internationally polite greeting? When any other president did it, no one ever said anything. Hell GW held hands with a Saudi ruler..must have been GAY!!!!1!! or just conforming to local customs.

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    7. Re:I have a question. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You can get a dozen Tube socks for a buck? sweet.

      I don't think the clothes price is as cheap as they should be considering the labor costs.

      It's still 10 bucks for 3 FotL underwear!

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    8. Re:I have a question. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      American politicians are saints compared to most of the world politicians.

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    9. Re:I have a question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The CCP has done some smart things. In the usual slashdot style:

      1: Send foreign exchange students into American flagship schools.
      2: Learn American technology, get degrees in scientists that Americans are driven away from because CS people are considered rejects, nerds, people with "assburger's syndrome", and dweebs compared to the accepted American ideal of actors, singers, coaches, quarterbacks, or sports figures.
      3: Head back to China.
      4: Use said technological knowledge to do 50 years of advances in 5 years.
      5: Use said social and society knowledge to commit espionage on a massive, unheard of scale for IP to use.
      6: Offer US companies manufacturing for pennies on the dollar for doing things domestically. More IP in Chinese hands.
      7: Strongarm more IP (I'm sure a corporate exec visiting a Chinese plant and held by the police will happily give up their access to the critical file shares if it means that, or visiting one of the black vans and "disappearing".)
      8: Use Supreme Court decisions in the US legitimizing foreign presences and dollars to influence US elections.
      9: Use Bush's fucked up policies in the Middle East to obtain a sturdy control of oil and energy resources globally.
      10: ???
      11: Profit. Perhaps just overrun Taiwan just to show that the US doesn't mean jack shit on the world stage anymore.

    10. Re:I have a question. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Dubya kissed him even!

    11. Re:I have a question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can infer from your question that you've never lived in China. Many (countryside-born, poorly educated) people don't really think about and/or care about the harmful or long-term effects of their actions. Take, for example, the way Chinese people navigate traffic: cutting people off, running red lights, driving on the wrong side of the road, driving on sidewalks, etc--all pretty much standard operating procedure for many drivers. Even the educated have a strong bias towards the short-term: my Chinese girlfriend admitted she plagiarized on her undergraduate thesis, along with everyone she knew. Cheating is rampant. There was just an article on Slashdot regarding how Chinese scientists plagiarize or simply lie on their scientific papers because Chinese scientists are judged solely on how many papers of theirs have been published. Deng Xiaoping's famous quip that "it doesn't matter if it is a black cat or a white cat, if it catches mice, it is a good cat" has been taken to the extreme; people seem to take it to mean "it doesn't matter if what I'm doing is wrong or right, as long as it somehow helps me."

    12. Re:I have a question. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Like I said, China is a blank slate on which to project what you're really thinking. If you think of racism all the time, then that's how you are going to interpret China. In Eastern cultures, bowing is a sign of either respect (between a student and a teacher) or submission (between an inferior and a superior - which, when you think about it, is exactly what a teacher-student relationship is). Bowing is NOT a local custom, it positively feudal in modern Chinese society. It's one of the things that Mao eradicated when he made all Chinese people equal. Rest assured that the Chinese knew exactly what was intended by the bow. It is utterly humiliating. If I greeted my Chinese business EQUALS with a bow instead of a handshake, they'd be quizzical at first and then openly contemptuous because I was kowtowing. Would you negotiate as an equal with someone who bowed to you?

      If you want to get all racist about it, think of what it means to Chinese for a black man to bow to their leader. Would Obama bow to a white man?

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    13. Re:I have a question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in acknowledgement of China's superiority

      rofl, looks to me like he's just being polite

    14. Re:I have a question. by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      To be fair they have what, over four times the population? What's the per capita expenditure for corruption? And how far does it trickle down?

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    15. Re:I have a question. by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      WTF? Everyone bows to everyone else over there. Maybe I'm not hanging around in elite enough circles, but people who would be considered far superior socially than whatever standing I have still bow to me (maybe not as low, but they bow none the less). Also if you bow to someone else, they pretty much always bow back to you (and vice versa).

      IMO it is definitely used as a sign of respect and/or humility. Refusal to bow is pretty much a sign of contempt and/or arrogance - maybe some people can get away with that, or maybe they are expected by custom to be above all others (ie. an emperor).

      By choosing not to bow to someone, you are telling them they are beneath you. However, that doesn't necessarily hold true in reverse, where by bowing you may simply be showing respect (as opposed to declaring yourself as the inferior).

    16. Re:I have a question. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      True enough... Kinda scary, ain't it??

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    17. Re:I have a question. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I dunno about in China, but from what I see many of the Chinese in my country don't care so much whether you bow or not, what matters at the end of the day is how much discount/profit you give ;).

      From what I see that's why the US Gov/leaders can keep playing the "China bogeyman/evil" card to the stupid voters for all they want. Doesn't matter a big deal to the Chinese Government (except as a barter chip in negotiations? ) - as long as the US shuts up on real issues whenever the Chinese government asks whether the trillions the US owes them are safe or not.

      BTW, just because the US owes China trillions doesn't necessarily mean US is in very deep shit. The US owes China in US dollars. Not Chinese currency. Guess who has the power to create as much US dollars as they need? So it's not the same thing as a normal person owing US dollars to someone else. A normal person cannot legally create US dollars for themselves. Of course doing so would hurt the US, but they still have that option. It's not like Zimbabwe printing their money, the rest of the world can just laugh at them. If the US really prints a lot of money, the rest of the world buying/selling (e.g. oil, wheat, CPUs) and lending in US dollars isn't going to be laughing (owing is different ;) ).

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    18. Re:I have a question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the US or the people of, so interested in causing problems around the world (spam, carbon dioxide, warfare/weapons-selling, economic imperalism)?

      IS this just a way of rebelling that is safe for them from their government/corporation (the entity they would really like to rebel against.)

    19. Re:I have a question. by Hipcatjack · · Score: 1

      While i appreciate the way you turned that question around, as far as i know the US doesn't lead the world in any of those anymore... Spam? Eastern Europe; Carbon Dioxide? Well actually thats now the People's Republic that produces the most.; warfare/weapons-selling? Someone correct me if i am wrong but isn't the AK-47 (Soviet/soviet knock-off) the most popular weapon in the world? And as far as Economic Imperialism...whats going on with Africa these days? who has the largest trade agreements and resource rights and futures invested in that continent again? Just sayin'.....

    20. Re:I have a question. by linhares · · Score: 1

      vxice deserves the internets

    21. Re:I have a question. by linhares · · Score: 1

      In some ways they are saints; for instance in corruption that seems clear to me (brazilian here; Ministries and judges on sale this month). Yet what the f with the cultural wars; wtf is up with all the hating and wtf is up with this 2 party shit? Does someone actually thinks it works?

  12. Backtrack 4 on ebay by kaptink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Out of curiousity I put backtrack in to ebay and what do you know, theres half a dozen backtrack 4 dvds for sale as Hacking Operating System.

    But no rerturns accepted!

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  13. That's for WEP ... by Agarax · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't NEED packet injection, you just need it if you want to break into the network anytime soon. Sitting and listening to normal traffic will eventually get you enough packets to attempt to break it.

    For WPA you don't even need packet injection, just deauth a client that is connected, collect their reconnection packets, and then run a dictionary/brute force attack against the handshake.

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    1. Re:That's for WEP ... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Aren't there some simple mechanism (like allowing limited number of failures per a time period) to prevent "brute force attacks"?

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    2. Re:That's for WEP ... by radio4fan · · Score: 1

      Aren't there some simple mechanism (like allowing limited number of failures per a time period) to prevent "brute force attacks"?

      No, the attack is against the encrypted data in the packets that you collected and stored.

    3. Re:That's for WEP ... by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1

      For WPA you don't even need packet injection, just deauth a client that is connected, collect their reconnection packets, and then run a dictionary/brute force attack against the handshake.

      How long would this take on a decent modern machine, say a ~2.5GHz quad core processor?

      I'm only curious because I have a 64 character string as my key, with random letters (mixed case) and symbols. I don't have anything to be paranoid about, but I do like security. What I worry about is that a determined cracker could capture data and store it, then work on cracking the key, and then months later have access to any of that data.

    4. Re:That's for WEP ... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      How do they know when they succeed? What does go as "bingo" in those packages?

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    5. Re:That's for WEP ... by Nukenbar · · Score: 1

      A long time. However, if you have a common SSID link linksys, it would be susceptible to a rainbow table attack that wouldn't take that long.

    6. Re:That's for WEP ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barring any new developments in cracking WPA by exploiting systematic flaws, WPA is secure. A long random key is not going to fall victim to dictionary or brute force attacks, with or without rainbow tables. The key space is sufficiently big to conclude that faster hardware won't make a difference either. There are some minor gaps in WPA security due to WPA salvaging some parts of WEP, but those attacks are only about (very limited) packet injection and replay. None of the currently known attacks reveal the key or allow an attacker to decrypt traffic. It's still best to use WPA2 with AES.

    7. Re:That's for WEP ... by Agarax · · Score: 1

      You run the attack against wireless packets you captured. When it goes from encrypted garbage to normal, unencrypted traffic you know it worked.

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  14. I knew this would happen, so I left it Open. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left it Open so you would waste your time paying that additional $5 for the software. How does it feel naooo, biatch? Bitches don't know they don't need to pay extra to use my WAP. Besides encryption, I'll be shifting my WAP to some obfuscated authentication algorithms that standard off-the-shelf software drivers on closed-source Operating Systems will not be able to intercept; it derives from a change in the Opensource driver, it might be 50% slower but at-least everyone can see my Open WAP but wonder why the hell they can connect and no packets move around.

    No firewall rulls.

    1. Re:I knew this would happen, so I left it Open. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      WAP? like in Wireless Application Protocol?

      Dude. you're sharing your old cellphone's connection? what a sicko.

  15. They should totally market it as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Kuang Grade Mark Eleven

  16. Chinese people? Stealing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't say!

  17. It goes both ways, you know by initialE · · Score: 1

    As much as you stand to benefit by stealing another person's connection, have you ever considered what would happen if they found out, and started spying on your traffic?

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    1. Re:It goes both ways, you know by CKW · · Score: 1

      PPphhht, *I* properly encrypt my data.

    2. Re:It goes both ways, you know by mlts · · Score: 1

      That's why you always use a proxy server. I don't advocate using other connections because it might be someone who has a clue and a transparent web proxy, and might just be working on a new device (a la Phorm) to intercept and modify traffic en route, so all the slashdot postings posted by users using that AP turn into goatse troll posts.

      Best type of proxy server, if you can afford it? I'd probably say bite the bullet, pay the $20 a month and get a linode VM. Here, install and lock down your distro of choice, and install whatever proxy software floats your boat. I personally like having PPP over SSH, PPTP, and of course, stunnel based proxy for just the Web traffic. Any of these three ways provides good security. You can even use squad, privoxy, and other tools to de-ad your Web browsing experience without having to install software on your local machines.

      Of course, this is assuming one is not doing anything illegal, because it becomes quite easy for the Powers That Be to ask who is the VM owner of an IP address found in a Torrent swarm for a just in theaters movie.

  18. little techincal knowledge? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    The main piece of the kits, an adapter with a six-inch antenna that plugs into a USB port, comes with a CD-ROM to install its driver and a separate live CD-ROM that boots up an operating system called BackTrack. In BackTrack, the user can run applications that try to obtain keys for two protocols used to secure Wi-Fi networks, WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy) and WPA (Wi-Fi Protected Access). After a successful attack by the applications, called Spoonwep and Spoonwpa, a user can restart Windows and use the revealed key to access its Wi-Fi network.

    Ya. sure anyone can do it.

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  19. WAP uses 16 characters by bob+probst · · Score: 0, Troll

    and they have to crack it brute force. Sure people might still use WEP but they deserve to get hacked.. it's little more than a picket fence.

  20. HADOPI by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Such things could have an interesting effect in France if that law gets approved, specially if punishes you if someone downloads something illegal using your connection, even if the access wasnt enabled but cracked into.

    1. Re:HADOPI by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

      that law is already approved

  21. tai gui le! by Gulthek · · Score: 1

    165 yuan is not cheap at all.

    1. Re:tai gui le! by shadowblaster · · Score: 1

      Wait until someone else in China sells pirated copies for half the price

  22. this is why my network is "unsecured". by Hillview · · Score: 1

    My wireless router filters devices by mac address.. if I understand it correctly, there's no way for it to be cracked into so long as the filters in my router are enabled. It recognizes my netbook, a skype phone, and an ipod that I own. All other devices will "see" the network but will not be able to access it.. if I understand the way it works correctly anyway. :)

    Anyway, I live out in the sticks. If some bonehead wants to sit out in a snowbank and use my internet connection, more power to 'em.

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    1. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Fnord666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      My wireless router filters devices by mac address.. if I understand it correctly, there's no way for it to be cracked into so long as the filters in my router are enabled. It recognizes my netbook, a skype phone, and an ipod that I own. All other devices will "see" the network but will not be able to access it.. if I understand the way it works correctly anyway. :)

      If someone wants to use your network, they will capture packets so that they can see what MACs are authorized. They then alter the MAC address of their wireless card to be one of the authorized values and bob's your uncle.

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    2. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Informative

      MACs can be sniffed, and spoofed.

      The trick is to not use it while the "true" device is (you'll just cause problems)

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    3. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Hillview · · Score: 1

      This is true :) but.. I fall back to part two.. if some clown wants to freeze his butt off sitting out in a snowbank using my internetz, I really don't care.

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    4. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Johnno74 · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed out to you, this is pretty much no security at all, as each of those devices is broadcasting its MAC address with each packet, all someone has to do is sniff one packet and impersonate that MAC address

      But if you aren't using WPA or WEP then all the traffic on your wireless network is unencrypted and anyone driving past/sitting in the snow can eavesdrop on your email, harvest account passwords, etc etc.

      Of course anything using HTTPs/SSL is still encrypted, but typically pop/imap email is not.

    5. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      It's called MAC spoofing, pretty trivial...

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    6. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Hillview · · Score: 1

      agreed. Fortunately for me, the only option would likely be sitting in the snowbank - I can barely pick up my wifi from the garage, no chance at all from the road. :)

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    7. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Which is, honestly, a great defense :D

      It will certainly keep the casual ones away!

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    8. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MACs can be sniffed, and spoofed.

      The trick is to not use it while the "true" device is (you'll just cause problems)

      I've been able to spoof a MAC address while the "true" device is on without any problems. The trick is to spoof his IP address too.

    9. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Uhhmm....yeah.

      You don't understand it correctly.

      MAC addresses are sent in cleartext, regardless of the encryption method used. These can be sniffed in a matter of seconds.
      MAC addresses can also be spoofed. Meaning attackers laptop will become yours, as far as your router is concerned.

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    10. Re:this is why my network is "unsecured". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they have a high gain directional antenna. Living out in the boonies could help this, too, since there won't be as many obstacles or interference.

  23. god dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sweet jesus, is there anything about china that doesn't suck?! :(

  24. They/we ought to share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As wifi use becomes more & more ubiquitous, it would seem beneficial to change from a model where everyone sets up their own walled-off private networks to a model where all wifi packet distribution is shared in a mesh (with automatic routing protocols and such). Something like parasite.net from Cory Doctorow's story, or this: http://www.open-mesh.com/

    Instead of having so many AP's & devices "shouting" and competing for access to airspace/time in an apartment building, devices would function more like cellular phones and just "talk quietly" to the nearest AP. APs could also coordinate with each other automatically to find decent channel assignments. In short, a system of cooperation beats everyone doing their own thing.

  25. Backtrak by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

    1- type a command in terminal (airodump-ng [adapter])
    2- run spoonwep with the values obtained in step 1
    3- wait a couple of minutes

    Can't get much easier than that (and for free). Why are people paying money for those kits?

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  26. If you are still using WEP by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    And your password is as short and simple as "sugar" (from the article) you deserve to be targeted by Chinese script-kiddie hackers.

    1. Re:If you are still using WEP by BenFenner · · Score: 1

      I didn't think a password like "sugar" was possible with WEP encryption.

  27. TRANSLATION by vampire_baozi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quick translation, since I'm kinda in a hurry (though, c'mon, DNS-and-Bind, you've lived there for 7 years? if I remember from a previous post, and you can't speak fluent mandarin now, plus a few dialects? What have you been doing with your time?)

    Anchorwoman: We will now explore the background behind these (Wifi Keys) and the hidden danger they present to internet security.
    The journalist installed the Wifi Cracking kit according to the instructions, and then used the Cd-rom to open the password cracking software. After 5 seconds, the computer monitor correctly displayed 5 wireless network signals. Click on any of the networks and the computer will automatically start cracking the password. After 4 minutes, a series of numbers appears on the display.
    I'm just going to freeform this bit, I'm translating background chatter, not just the subtitles. Mostly Mr. Hu and the reporter talking, I won't note who is who, but it should be kind of obvious...also, there's stuff that isn't in the subtitles, so it should flow better
    Guy1: oh, this is the password (background)
    Guy1: AAAAA....
    Reporter: His password is 8 A's (this is the subtitle guy number 1)
    Guy1: What an idiot!
    Reporter: Take a look at it now, did it work?
    Mr. Hu (Hu something-ying, the middle character is too low resolution), network expert at a Wuhan Guangtong Computer Technology Development company: It succeeded, we're already online.
    Reporter: So we can get online directly?
    Mr. Hu: Yes, we're online through his network(thanks to the key)
    Here we have 4 signals, this signal isn't bad! 18megabit speeds.
    Anchorwoman: The computer expert explains, the Wifi Cracking kit is essentially a just wireless card, but its ability to search out wireless networks is much stronger than normal wireless cards. What's scarier, is that it's combined with a "hacker" software program that can easily hack into other people's host machine (host computer), if this apparatus is used for nefarious purposes, it could result in computer files being accessed, privacy leaks, etc., with serious consequences.
    Mr. Hu: This is a serious threat to internet security. It can reveal secrets, and interferes with security. Look, I can directly make copies of his files, copy it directly to my own computer.Anchorwoman: Wuhan network expert Mr. Hu of the XYZ company IT dept. says that reports of successful network intrusion attempts are skyrocketing. He also explains that protecting yourself is not difficult, by setting the number of user accounts or adjusting the router settings.
    Mr. Hu: Turn off the DHCP on the router, then even if you access the network, you can't get online,since there's no IP address. The important thing is to do it from the router.
    Anchorwoman: The phenomenon of Wifi password cracking is common outside China, regardless of the nation. Singapore considers it to be a crime, and the UK considers it illegal and you can be arrested. In China, however, there are no laws about Wifi password cracking.
    Phone caller, from Hubei, works with communications related company: This thing presents two main problems. The first is password cracking. This is a security/safety problem. The other is using other people's Wifi connections for free, this is a problem of stealing access. If you check and can find evidence of.....(is cut off)

    I may have cut a few corners, but that's the gist. I don't do much technical translation, but this one was light on the technical terms anyway, so if you have questions or need other stuff translated, let me know.

  28. www.aircrack-ng.org no good by h00manist · · Score: 1

    The five bucks is so you can get the goods at all, can't reach www.aircrack-ng.org, it's terribly slow. Been that way for a while.

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  29. There are only like 3 classes of driver supported. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All my use of aircrack-ng is that only the non-USB hardware is supported, meaning you need either something on a PCI bridge be it either the blackplane or a Cardbus slot. USB support was attempted but not there because of technical issues, the last I checkted if I remember correctly.

    The best Linux distribution is BackTrack 3, and the recent DVD versions of it are just bloated pieces of shit that fail easier with the more surface-scratches the disc collects. I can't wait for a Linux distribution that has multiple images of itself on the same disc just so when a scratch is ditected then it will skip/redirect with a non-volatile seek command so it can use another viable amount of image; I was CDROM RAID is what I'm asking for. I don't need all the bloated titty-shitfuck code that makes it bloat to a x?x?x-Niggabyte DVDROM.

  30. I find it rather baffling... by GlobalColding · · Score: 0

    That despite wide availability of super cheap sub $ 20 routers capable of WPA, people still use WEP...

  31. Re:There are only like 3 classes of driver support by elewton · · Score: 1

    Backtrack 3 supports the delightful AWUS036h - a powerful USB WiFi adapter that allows packet crafting.

  32. There's over a billion of them by DABANSHEE · · Score: 1

    Meaning even if it seems the Chinese have a disproportionately high interest in net vandalism activity or whatever, statistically per capita they may actually have a disproportionately low interest in net vandalism activity or whatever.

  33. Heisenberg uncertainty principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought about this - selling a wi-fi cracking kit, beaten at the post again :-(.

    From a comment on Slashdot, I think every machine should use a differnt KEY to connect. Then each could be controlled as seperate connections.

    Then what we need is every machine utilise quantum cryptography when communicating with their router. This basically uses the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and allows secure connection to be established as any third party (sniffers) would affect the communication and hence would be noticed). THis has been done and it works! Of course you only know that there is a third part listening.

    So if anyone was sniffing you could keep changing the key every 10 mins. What we need is a system that can seamlessly change keys without dropping connections because as far as I know, changing the key would require a new connection be established.

  34. USB by el+chief · · Score: 1

    You don't necessarily need a USB wifi dongle. Aircrack on BackTrack works just fine with my Broadcom 4318 (aka Dell 1370) miniPCI card