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Visually Demonstrating Chrome's Rendering Speed

eldavojohn writes "Recent betas of Google's Chrome browser are getting seriously fast. Couple that with better hardware, on average, and it's getting down to speeds that are difficult to demonstrate in a way users can appreciate. Which is why Google felt that some Rube Goldberg-ish demonstrations with slo-mo are in order. Gone are the days of boring millisecond response time metrics."

140 comments

  1. Thanks, Chrome! by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your sub-millisecond rendering time enabled me to get FP!

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    1. Re:Thanks, Chrome! by twistedsymphony · · Score: 3, Funny

      too bad you're the only post.... wait... DAMNIT!

    2. Re:Thanks, Chrome! by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Too bad the entire video is a complete lie.

      The implication is that Chrome can actually load the web pages indicated in the video as fast as the various "fast things" the video shows.

      HOWEVER

      If you boost it up to 720p fullscreen and look closely at the video, you will see that the "web pages" are loading from....

      "file://C:/Users/Kevin/Desktop/(very large string of characters)"

      (You can see it really clearly at 0:47)

      Yeah. Loading from local file. ANY browser will load a LOCAL FILE that fast! It's a complete fake-out and lie by Google.

      How many of you swallowed it whole?

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    3. Re:Thanks, Chrome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was more graphically intensive than JavaScript intensive.

  2. Making of Video by Mr.Zuka · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you are interested in the behind the scene info.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oarMXGq3gI

    1. Re:Making of Video by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1

      I use it on my netbook and it's a huge speed improvement over IE or FF, but it still lacks RSS and that annoys me. I do love that it can kill the non-responsive Flash app without crashing, FF all it does is crash... a lot.

    2. Re:Making of Video by Rei · · Score: 1

      Chrome still has some occasional bugs that lead to annoying "Oh Snap!" errors, but all in all, it's blazingly fast. I develop a web app with some pretty intensive javascript functionality and a good bit of rendering on the DOM. Chrome can actually make full-screen javascript-driven DOM animations almost movie-smooth.

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    3. Re:Making of Video by hitmark · · Score: 1

      there is a rss extension available, tho i have not tested it much.

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  3. I think by zerospeaks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that was the coolest commercial I have ever seen.

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    1. Re:I think by xouumalperxe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Their previous chrome features ad was also pretty awesome. And, of course, there's always Honda's Cog.

    2. Re:I think by thepike · · Score: 1

      I agree. I've been using Firefox for a while, and didn't plan to switch over, but this commercial has changed that.

      I am now officially a sheep. Touche, Google.

    3. Re:I think by zerospeaks · · Score: 1

      NOO!! We can't switch over, we need to keep the market share low so that they will continue to make awesome commercials for our enjoyment.

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    4. Re:I think by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that was the coolest commercial I have ever seen.

      Let me just say this to the guy at Google who:

      • used his 20% time
      • got work to buy him:
        • a tesla coil
        • a high-speed camera
        • parts to build a potato gun
        • a frier
      • spent work time building, testing, and playing with all this
      • and generated real Company value from the effort

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      Somebody please post a scan of this most legendary PO of all time.

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    5. Re:I think by atisss · · Score: 1

      Too bad I can't watch any of those commercials natively in Chrome, because of f'n H.264 which isn't supported natively on Linux + neither Chrome nor Firefox

    6. Re:I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is the answer why Steve Jobs loves H.264.

  4. You can bash Google all you want by acid06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But this is seriously cool stuff.

    This is marketing which probably only really appeals to geeks. Most companies these days are much more worries about the "casual" audience at large.
    Google remains true to its origins and is proud of it.

    So, yeah, you can say this is all a plan to become the big brother, bring profit to their shareholders or whatever. To me it's just plain neat and I'm glad we have Google around to make sure the other players are kept in check.

    1. Re:You can bash Google all you want by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm glad we have Google around to make sure the other players are kept in check.

      And vice versa.

    2. Re:You can bash Google all you want by Interoperable · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's great marketing but I'd be interested to see a side-by-side comparison of Chrome and a few other browsers rendering in slow motion for comparison. Chrome is the fastest, but only by about 30%. Still stands out as a great ad campaign though.

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    3. Re:You can bash Google all you want by steelfood · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think anybody can appreciate the explosions in the potato and lightning tests. After all, Michael Bay is very popular for a reason.

      Geeks likely understand it at a different level, but it's still entertaining for the layman.

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    4. Re:You can bash Google all you want by sznupi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Notice how the benchmark you linked to tests only JS; not performance in actual usage, which "a side-by-side comparison of Chrome and a few other browsers rendering in slow motion for comparison" would be about. Also, that 30% number is in relation just to previous version of Chrome.

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    5. Re:You can bash Google all you want by dancingmilk · · Score: 1

      "Only by about 30%"?

      That is in relation to the previous Chrome version but even still, 30% is a significant increase in speed over the competition. 30% increase in browsing speed is more than enough reason to change browsers.

    6. Re:You can bash Google all you want by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Actually, people don't really know what a millisecond is or how it involves their browsing experience. People that are stuck on IE are used to waiting multiple seconds to have pages load.

      Show this ad on national television (not even the superbowl or so) and people will be downloading Chrome in bunches.

      It's an awesome ad not just for geeks but for just about anybody. Being able to compare browsing speeds with 'natural' processes we would describe as instantaneous is just mindblowing.

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    7. Re:You can bash Google all you want by electrosoccertux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Set up 20 pages as your homepage in Firefox.

      Now open those same 20 pages in chrome and set them as the pages shown when you open a new instance of Chome.

      Now close both of them.
      Now open Firefox. See how it lags your system and can only max out one of your processors?
      Now open Chrome. See how it pegs all 4 of your cores to 100% for about 2 seconds, and then is done rendering?

      Firefox is so slow at opening my homepages, that it hangs the Windows 7 UI. And before you ask, yes, I have about 20 pages set to my homepage and visit them all multiple times/day-- market news blogs, forums, websites, etc-- most of which an RSS feed is not sufficient.

    8. Re:You can bash Google all you want by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I found amusing is the spudgun community responded to this quicker than Slashdot. Their thread is here;
      http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/googles-clear-spudgun-in-720p-high-speed-cool-footage-t20946.html

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    9. Re:You can bash Google all you want by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      I've given up on firefox. I can't even scroll some days with 5-10 tabs open. I have NoScript so it's not JavaScript slowing it down. But just pressing the down arrow doesn't work, I hold it down for a few seconds and it starts to work again. I disabled everything but Firebug - when something isn't working right in firefox I usually tweak the page, and I don't want to have to restart FF. So firebug is indispensible, if it's the cause then I guess I can't use FF. IE's developer toolbar doesn't slow it down, but I know older versions of FF/FB would warn for example that Gmail or similar sites would be slow.

      If Chrome has a very quick noscript-like plugin and developer toolbar then I'm switching. Otherwise it might be time for IE8.

    10. Re:You can bash Google all you want by steelfood · · Score: 1

      What I said wasn't exactly meant to be funny, but OK.

      I just think it's genius how Google can cater to the layman while still remaining true to their geeky, technical, dangerous-experiment-in-the-basement heart. If that idea amuses people, who am I to complain.

      The ad doesn't just make Chrome look fast; it makes science and engineering look incredibly cool.

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  5. Slashvertisement at it's best by El+Lobo · · Score: 1

    Masked under a cool CSI-like facade... Next....

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  6. And yet... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    And yet the AJAX on Slashdot still makes Chrome chug.

    1. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and FF 3.6.3 can't even show/hide the posts, the slider is broken..

      I hate the new layout

    2. Re:And yet... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Not really. And it's actually much, much faster than it was with Konqueror.

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    3. Re:And yet... by asukasoryu · · Score: 1

      I've got 3.6.3 and my slider works just fine. You must be special.

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    4. Re:And yet... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Yes, really. A page with over 300 pages can make a core2quad chug even in chrome.

    5. Re:And yet... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      300+ replies, I mean.

    6. Re:And yet... by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      Mine can ::shrug::

    7. Re:And yet... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Then don't use it. I've had slashdot blocked with noscript for at least a year and it's been performing quite nicely for me.

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    8. Re:And yet... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Makes my Core2Duo chug for about 5 seconds. Then it's fine -- scrolling is fast, less than a second to bring up a reply box, etc.

      That quad isn't going to help much, unless you've got other tabs that are using tons of CPU -- I doubt very much that Slashdot is multi-threaded.

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    9. Re:And yet... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      I have 14 mod points, but I have to open a new tab, enable slashdot and fsdn for noscript, refresh your comment, click and wait for moderation to happen, disable slashdot and fsdn and close the tab. So instead of modding you up I'll just say yeah, noscript lets it run really well.

      I noticed that when I accidentally left it enabled, I'd do CTRL+W to close the page and the left hand slider thingie says "Loading..." for several seconds and then the window goes away. I can turn off keyboard navigation, but I'd rather just report it. Oh right so I have to use bugzilla, forget that. I'll just assume slashdot does not test on the most common operating system around, using the most common geek navigation around (keyboard shortcuts). NoScript, don't leave home without it.

      I'd allow both sites for scripting, but when I close my window I don't want whatever the W button does to happen, I want CTRL+W. Wnat me to see advertising? Fix your site. I'm not reporting a bug using bugzilla in order to enable you to enable me to see advertising that I won't buy anything from.

      *sigh*

    10. Re:And yet... by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      isnt there a setting in your user prefs to turn off the new interface? I dunno, i'm still on the old interface and i have noscript allowing slashdot

  7. Good stuff! by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ok Google, I've resisted getting Chrome up until this point but you've sold me. Until it gets some form of Adblock Plus like functionality it likely will not replace Firefox as my general purpose browser but as a backup browser I am going to give it a try now.

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    1. Re:Good stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok Google, I've resisted getting Chrome up until this point but you've sold me. Until it gets some form of Adblock Plus like functionality it likely will not replace Firefox as my general purpose browser but as a backup browser I am going to give it a try now.

      It already has that entension, and many others. It's also theme-able. You're behind the times! :P

    2. Re:Good stuff! by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      I am indeed! I just installed that extension in Chrome and thought to myself, I better let /. know that I'm not a total noob and missed it!

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    3. Re:Good stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      knock yourself out

      https://chrome.google.com/extensions/search?itemlang=&q=adblock

    4. Re:Good stuff! by dancingmilk · · Score: 1

      The Adblock extension for Chrome only hides ads, it doesn't block them. Chrome does *NOT* have Adblock PLUS functionality.

      Nevertheless, I still use it because, well, Chrome is awesome.

    5. Re:Good stuff! by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      Yep, I've been using Chrome now for a bit with it's Adblock and because of the way it just hides the ads rather than blocking them outright the overall speed of using Chrome vs my normal Firefox setup is about the same.

      On pages where there are few ads to block I can defiantly see that Chrome is faster however, sadly, those pages are few on the modern web.

      As an aside my OP got modded down to 0 as Troll?! Weird!

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    6. Re:Good stuff! by dancingmilk · · Score: 1

      Probably a mod-troll modding you down because this is a somewhat common topic here. The mods assume that if it was posted once, somewhere, sometime, that it is now a stupid and/or redundant question.

      Overall in general browsing I find Chrome to have an edge over FF right now, but I do a lot of manual ad blocking outside of my browser (hosts, corporate proxy & FW) so most ads never make it to me even if I open up IE *shudder*.

    7. Re:Good stuff! by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      Well notice my UID, I am not exactly a /. noobie. The moderation on my OP imo makes no sense but shrug. Happens every now and then and I don't care but I did find it odd.

      And I used to use a hosts file too but I've been lazy since moving to Win7 and have not put one back in place since for the most part FF's Adblock Plus took care of it all anyway. I still thou like having two unique browsers thou as I run 2 monitors so it's nice being able to open up each one and have them go where I want. So Chrome is going to sit on my 2nd monitor for now which will give me plenty of opportunity to judge it's overall functionality in direct comparison to FF.

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    8. Re:Good stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can this be troll? Too bad I've used up my points. There are too many Google moderators today.

  8. Cool, but... by kiehlster · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see these tests run around 6pm, not at 3am, which is the typical time of day when a genius such as this would be performing such diabolical experiments.

    1. Re:Cool, but... by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      I'm a diabolical genius and 3am is my usual maintenance window, you insensitive clod!

  9. Why does it render from bottom to top? by TheSunborn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone who can explain why the screen in the first example renders from bottom to top?

    I would expect it to start rendering at the top.

    1. Re:Why does it render from bottom to top? by gotpoetry · · Score: 1

      For filiming purposes, the monitor was flipped on its side and the video card set to display at 180 degrees. It only appears to render bottom to top.

    2. Re:Why does it render from bottom to top? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      See the video description for an FAQ (also n.b. this is measuring page rendering, not page downloading - 2 of the 3 sites were loaded locally):

      "Why does allrecipes.com in the potato gun sequence appear at once, and not the text first and images second? And why does it appear to render from bottom of the screen to the top?"

      Chrome sends the rendered page to the video card buffer all at once, which is why allrecipes.com appears at once, and not with the text first and images second. Chrome actually paints the page from top to bottom, but to eliminate a shadow from the driver board, we had to flip the monitor upside down and set the system preferences in Windows to rotate everything 180 degrees, resulting in the page appearing to render from bottom to top.

      Equipment used:

      - Computer: MacBook Pro laptop with Windows installed
      - Monitor - 24" Asus: We had to replace the standard fluorescent backlight with very large tungsten fixtures to funnel in more light to capture the screen. In addition, we flipped the monitor 180 degrees to eliminate a shadow from the driver board and set the system preferences on the computer to rotate 180 degrees. No special software was used in this process.
      - Camera: Phantom v640 High Speed Camera at 1920 x 1080, films up to 2700 fps

    3. Re:Why does it render from bottom to top? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the description, the monitor is actually flipped upside down in order to eliminate some shadow.

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    4. Re:Why does it render from bottom to top? by RalphSleigh · · Score: 1

      Says in the video description, the mac is upside down and the screen rotated by the video driver.

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    5. Re:Why does it render from bottom to top? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      explanation from the video description

      Equipment used:

      - Computer: MacBook Pro laptop with Windows installed
      - Monitor - 24" Asus: We had to replace the standard fluorescent backlight with very large tungsten fixtures to funnel in more light to capture the screen. In addition, we flipped the monitor 180 degrees to eliminate a shadow from the driver board and set the system preferences on the computer to rotate 180 degrees. No special software was used in this process.
      - Camera: Phantom v640 High Speed Camera at 1920 x 1080, films up to 2700 fps

      "Why does allrecipes.com in the potato gun sequence appear at once, and not the text first and images second? And why does it appear to render from bottom of the screen to the top?"

      Chrome sends the rendered page to the video card buffer all at once, which is why allrecipes.com appears at once, and not with the text first and images second. Chrome actually paints the page from top to bottom, but to eliminate a shadow from the driver board, we had to flip the monitor upside down and set the system preferences in Windows to rotate everything 180 degrees, resulting in the page appearing to render from bottom to top.

      "Why does the top one third of the page appear first on the weather.com page load?"

      Sometimes only half the buffer gets filled before the video card sends its buffer over to the LCD panel. This is because Chrome on Windows uses GDI to draw, which does not do v-sync.

      "The screen wipes are so smooth - how was that achieved?"

      The screen wipes up in a gradated wipe because LCD pixels take around 10ms to flip and gradually change color.

      More filming details below:

      Chrome Browser vs. Potato:
      We used a version of the web page allrecipes.com that is accessible when logged in. About four hours into the Potato Gun shoot we decided to use a locally loaded version of the web page to enable more precise synchronization with the potato gun. We finally got the shot we were hoping for after 51 takes.

      Chrome Browser vs. Sound:
      We loaded an artist page from Pandora.com, a streaming internet radio service directly off the web on a 15Mbps internet connection.

      Chrome Browser vs. Lightning:
      We used a locally loaded version of weather.com that was legally approved for use in this video (and all the standard website permissions procedures that goes into making videos!)

      While we had a super fast 15Mbps internet connection in the studio, any live internet connection introduces quite a bit of variability. To run speed tests on page rendering times, saving locally and loading from the local disk can help reduce this variability.

      For behind-the-scenes footage of how this video was made:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oarMX...

    6. Re:Why does it render from bottom to top? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously didn't RTFA, but the rendering scan is actually from the way the LCD pixels get drawn by the video driver.

  10. file://... by Zarjazz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Cool video but probably not as impressive when you don't load from the page cache and add network latency and overloaded webservers to the mix.

    1. Re:file://... by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Yep, gotta read that fine print:
      "While we had a super fast 15Mbps internet connection in the studio, any live internet connection introduces quite a bit of variability. To run speed tests on page rendering times, saving locally and loading from the local disk can help reduce this variability."

      So all the examples are loading from the hard drive. While the commercial is cool, I still think they cheated.

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    2. Re:file://... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but this is about it's rendering speed only, not how fast it can download a page.

    3. Re:file://... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool video but probably not as impressive when you don't load from the page cache and add network latency and overloaded webservers to the mix.

      Which is why the title reads "rendering speed" not "loading" or "network" speed. If you have dialup, you could have a browser coded by Jesus Christ himself and it's going to be slow as dirt. How on Earth could someone justify moderating you Insightful?

      Oh, nice double negative as well. Really clarified your message.

    4. Re:file://... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      But still the browser really dedicated to overall snappiness (and for quite some time now) will yet again be forgotten.

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    5. Re:file://... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Cheated? Chrome can't do anything about how crappy your Internet connection is. They're just showing off how fast it can be.

    6. Re:file://... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...you could have a browser coded by Jesus Christ himself and it's going to be slow as dirt."

      Not only that, but it would take three days to recover from a crash.

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    7. Re:file://... by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      Opera is dedicated to compliance to the fscking standards, secondly new innovative features and at third place is speed. Chrome is about minimalism and mostly speed. In-sane-speed.

      Chrome is way faster from an end user perspective. Opera is kinda slow in that regard...

      It's hazardously addicting. Once you're used to the speed of Chrome you cannot go back. I have a social networking page with embedded YouTube vids, 1024*768 res background, multiple levels of transparancy, images, java, a complete IM and whatever it does. It completely destroys IE performance in a way that it is unusable. Firefox can load it but it is extremely slow. Opera is better, but you'll still notice massive lag all the time. With Chrome it feels like it is an app running locally. This network site is not known outside of my country so no Facebook, MySpace or all that other crap...

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    8. Re:file://... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      when you want to measure a certain value, you try your best to isolate it. It's hard to "see" how fast a page is rendered when you start to add a ton of other variables that could slow down the response.

    9. Re:file://... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      I have clocked months using Chrome as my main browser (also quite recently, around 2009/2010 date change)...a common thing for me really, I go through most browsers over the year and check their progress; in my case its performance was unbearable in the end. But then for me it's "overall snappiness", and also when generously using such features as...tabs.

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    10. Re:file://... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But notice when one tab crashed the other two stayed functional.

    11. Re:file://... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I'm amazed at how many people blame their computer for their Internet speeds. Several years ago, someone I knew had a good computer, but was on dialup. They brought the computer to me. I plugged it into my network, played with it a little, and then asked them to demonstrate the problem. "Oh, you fixed it!". I hadn't done anything. I tried to explain that their bottleneck was their dialup speeds. They didn't quite understand. They took it home, and called to say it's still slow.

          I finally got them to go buy connectivity from their cable company. The basic package was the same cost as their dialup. They were amazed. Then their kid tried uploading over it, and it took an hour to upload some video they shot. "My computer is slow doing this...." They brought it back to me, and again I demonstrated it wasn't the computer. I tried to explain the speed of the package they got, and that there were other packages if they wanted to spend more money. Of course they didn't want to spend more money, so they just told the kids "it's because the computer is too slow." {sigh}

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    12. Re:file://... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      If Jesus Christ himself wrote a browser, it would all be in Old Aramaic. That'd make reading any of the text a bitch. :) I don't know about you, but I don't know how to read Old Aramaic.

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    13. Re:file://... by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      Too soon.

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    14. Re:file://... by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

      Rendering a previously visited page from disk is very fast in any modern browser; but no one actually browses that way.

      The marketing value of this ad is in how fast the pages load...but in real life they'd never load that fast due to the network. And Google knows it.

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  11. Too bad they kind of cheated on the fetch speeds by Tsaot · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9840543&postcount=11 All the pages loaded from a local source (as seen in the image linked), so this is a render demo only. I will admit that the render speeds are lightning fast and I've come to prefer Chrome over FF for my casual browsing. However, If I'm doing research of any kind, I know I'm going to have some 50+ tabs and until Chrome has a tree style tab plugin, FF has the job.

  12. Proper adblock by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    Most days, I love me some Chrome. But a proper ad blocking solution is an absolute must on Windows.

    Google makes money off advertising. I get that. But many ads on the internet pose legitimate security risks.

    Give me a Chrome with a proper ad block (that stops the ad from loading, not just hiding it) and I'll use Chrome every day. I'd even subscribe to a filter that blocks other ads, and allows Google ads through.

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    1. Re:Proper adblock by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      Either run the latest IE on Vista/7 which is sandboxed, or switch to Linux/BSD/Haiku/ReactOS.

      Adblock isn't the solution. Maybe some slick virtualisation of a minimal Linux distro like CrunchBang! Linux would help?

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    2. Re:Proper adblock by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 0

      As has been pointed out to others, Chrome has had adblock for some time now.

      I expect you'll be using Chrome daily now? ;)

    3. Re:Proper adblock by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      ReactOS is designed to run Windows code. Windows malware should run just fine on it. How is that secure? Likewise, people have proven you can run Windows malware on Wine. Which is why you should avoid running IE in Wine unless you absolutely need to.

      Linux/BSD/openSolaris is the solution and I highly recommend it. openSUSE is my distro of choice. I keep Windows on my gaming rig largely for gaming.

      The sandboxed IE is anything but secure, especially since plugins aren't sandboxed.

      All those Flash ads that IE isn't sandboxing can install software in the background without telling you.

      Friends never let friends use IE.

      If you want to be secure browsing the web in Windows I recommend a HOSTS file, Spybot Search and Destroy (immunization feature), Firefox + Adblock Plus, and Microsoft Security Essentials.

      Combined you're pretty safe.

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    4. Re:Proper adblock by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      No, Chrome fully renders ads, even with adblock. Malicious code in the ads still runs. It just hides the ad from you.

      That is why I said a:

      "Give me a Chrome with a proper ad block (that stops the ad from loading, not just hiding it)"

      I do bounce back and forth between Chrome and Firefox most days on my Windows box, but hidden ads in Chrome have trigged my anti-virus a few times. And that is with my running a HOSTS file which blocks most ads to begin with.

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    5. Re:Proper adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it's not very good.
      Try enter a domain filter like say *doubleclick*.

    6. Re:Proper adblock by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Er... Adblock in Chrome uses the same filter list as Adblock in Firefox, so if one misses things, then so does the other...

    7. Re:Proper adblock by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      No, Chrome fully renders ads, even with adblock.

      So... how would I go about verifying that?

    8. Re:Proper adblock by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Looks like there's a revision committed 8 hours ago to do what you want, which should go into the next release.

    9. Re:Proper adblock by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Look at the network packets. If the browser is fetching the ads, you'll see network traffic from the various ad sites.

      For people with slow network connections (like me), Firefox with noscript+adblock can be significantly faster than Chrome in many/most cases.

      Downloading the ads but not displaying them will still interfere with the other network downloads.

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    10. Re:Proper adblock by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link!

      Outstanding. Last I had read, it wasn't possible for a Chrome extension to accomplish this without changing Chrome's core code.

      I don't know if they have worked around this, or if something has changed.

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    11. Re:Proper adblock by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Seriously, WTF?!

      How will virtualisation block ads?

    12. Re:Proper adblock by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's a workaround of some sort; they note that the way they do it can slow some sites down.

    13. Re:Proper adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, I mean, try entering it, in the gui. No worky. The filter works fine in firefox.

    14. Re:Proper adblock by chammy · · Score: 1

      But it's still loading the ads - all it does is hide them. The whole point of his post was that Chrome adblock still loads them.

    15. Re:Proper adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the parent says, this is different to the Firefox plugins in that it does download and render everything on the page and only then will the plugin block the ads.

    16. Re:Proper adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was Chrome not able to render all of the text in that guy's post?

      Give me a Chrome with a proper ad block (that stops the ad from loading, not just hiding it)

    17. Re:Proper adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why would you jump through such hoops? installing abp is simple..

    18. Re:Proper adblock by cynyr · · Score: 1

      https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom the only problem is that it happens after the page render, not before so if a third party ad is slow so is the whole page. There is no support currently for addons to get access to the page before render.

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    19. Re:Proper adblock by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      OP: "But many ads on the internet pose legitimate security risks."

      Please read next time?

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    20. Re:Proper adblock by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      There only has to be one website that you'll cross that won't be blocked from hazzardous content from your abp blacklist and you're infected.

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  13. Adblock for chome by Tsaot · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Adblock for chome by IICV · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. It just hides ads, it doesn't prevent them from getting downloaded. Since those stupid overloaded ad servers that slow down page loads are like 50% of what I hate about ads, it's not quite as useful.

    2. Re:Adblock for chome by cynyr · · Score: 1

      Only problem is that it doesn't happen pre render yet. so you still have to wait for the flash ad from a third party site to load before your page loads completely.

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  14. Chrome is cheating... by stazeii · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Chrome is caching ALL content, even stuff that says "no-cache". While "no-cache" is somewhat broken, things like the horrible "Blackboard" web apps don't really work in Chrome because it's caching things that shouldn't be cached. If Google intends to do this, and encourage this with other browsers, they need to start teaching designers how to properly use caching headers so that Chrome doesn't break usability with it's aggressiveness.

    1. Re:Chrome is cheating... by Flipao · · Score: 1

      Well you can always fork it and make a tinfoil hat version of Chrome, that's the beauty of Open Source.

    2. Re:Chrome is cheating... by dancingmilk · · Score: 1

      We already have a tinfoil hat version of Chrome, its called Iron

    3. Re:Chrome is cheating... by dancingmilk · · Score: 1

      My bad, that link is in German. English Linky!

    4. Re:Chrome is cheating... by martas · · Score: 2, Informative

      umm, blackboard works just fine in my chrome...

  15. Re:Too bad they kind of cheated on the fetch speed by gotpoetry · · Score: 4, Informative
    Two of the three were from local source. The Pandora example was not.

    From TFYTV:

    Chrome Browser vs. Sound: We loaded an artist page from Pandora.com, a streaming internet radio service directly off the web on a 15Mbps internet connection.

    The other two examples were indeed from a local disk copy.

  16. slim edge of the wedge by butterflysrage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how many of us here have installed for friends or family because of features that likely appeal mostly or only to geeks? The vast majority of my extended family uses firefox right now because I put in on there and hid IE on them until they got used to it.

    Market to the geeks, and the plebs will follow. If for nothing else than they don't want to seem out of the loop

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    1. Re:slim edge of the wedge by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      how many of us here have installed for friends or family because of features that likely appeal mostly or only to geeks? The vast majority of my extended family uses firefox right now because I put in on there and hid IE on them until they got used to it.

      Market to the geeks, and the plebs will follow. If for nothing else than they don't want to seem out of the loop

      That's a great point. Grandma texts me. Pretty cool.

    2. Re:slim edge of the wedge by westlake · · Score: 1

      Market to the geeks, and the plebs will follow. If for nothing else than they don't want to seem out of the loop

      This explains why the iPad has been such a failure.

      Why Linux owns the lion's share of the desktop.

      Oh wait....

      The vast majority of my extended family uses firefox right now because I put in on there and hid IE on them until they got used to it.

      Tell me how this makes the geek any less arrogant and manipulative than Steve Jobs.

    3. Re:slim edge of the wedge by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

      tell me where I claimed to be less arrogant or manipulative then anyone?

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    4. Re:slim edge of the wedge by tumnasgt · · Score: 1

      iPad a failure? 1 million units sold (can't remember the source, so not sure how reliable the number is) is hardly a failure. Sure, it has little appeal to people that want to be able to tweak it, but that doesn't mean it is a bad product.
      Personally, I won't consider an iPad or similar until there is a way to have IMs showing at the same time as a web browser, not just application switching.

    5. Re:slim edge of the wedge by Gaffod · · Score: 0

      Your example behavior is horrendously rude; you should not force or trick people into using software over your personal political beliefs.

      That said, I agree that if geeks like Chrome, they will try to get everyone else to use it, and since they are geeks, after all, people will be inclined to listen.

  17. Chrome vs. Firefox+NoScript by nlewis · · Score: 1

    I just checked Chrome out for the first time, and yes it does render pages quickly. But it's no faster (to my naked eye, at least) than Firefox with the NoScript extension running. And since Firefox+NoScript is also blocking scripts, Flash applets, etc. from running, it seems to me that it would be safer than Chrome anyway. YMMV, but I think I'll stick with my Firefox a bit longer.

    1. Re:Chrome vs. Firefox+NoScript by SpeZek · · Score: 1

      So, what you're saying, is that Chrome loads pages full of crap that slows FF to a crawl just as fast as FF loads a completely stripped down page.

      Right.

    2. Re:Chrome vs. Firefox+NoScript by nlewis · · Score: 1

      Point / counterpoint. However, I still like the fact that Firefox+NoScript doesn't download "pages full of crap" *at all*. Give me Chrome+NoScript and I'd be one happy camper. :-)

    3. Re:Chrome vs. Firefox+NoScript by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Most LCD monitors can't refresh that fast anyway (60Hz), so when you're rendering a locally stored and cached page, you'll start to hit that limit (about 16 milliseconds).

      That's why the potato gun is further to the left from the screen (otherwise the spud would go past before Chrome is done), and they used paint on a speaker which I think is moving slower than sound (which travels about 5.6 metres in 16 milliseconds ). If you really want to see sound waves travel through air there are various methods:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbomsOPSSII&feature=related
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSFwH0BVd3Q

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  18. Undoing comment moderation by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a rig where they cause multiple computers running one browser each loading the page in the same way versus each of the objects. Or see if lightning could cook a potato before a historic browser finishes rendering.

  19. Wow, an ad with pre-conditioning by gringer · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised to see an ad where they introduce the product or brand before the actual video, which is the opposite way from which things are normally done. If my psychology learnings are correct, this is actually more likely to get a strong association (through Pavlovian conditioning) than doing things the 'normal' way. I've often wondered why advertisers don't typically show their product in the first few seconds of the ad. Any ideas?

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    1. Re:Wow, an ad with pre-conditioning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe they want to "trick" you into thinking its not an ad and get you interested in it, so that you'll be paying more attention when they do finally show you the product?

    2. Re:Wow, an ad with pre-conditioning by cynyr · · Score: 1

      it's not as good of a hook, and they are worried that people will just leave/change channels, etc.

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  20. Other browsers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are we going to see this done with firefox, or any other competitive browser for that matter?

  21. Useful here at Slashdot by clintp · · Score: 1

    I don't know about you, but Slashdot comment pages are slooow for me to load under Firefox 3.6. The initial story block loads quick, the sidebars fill in, and then there's the painful wait for the rest of the page to pop. Large comment sections can take long enough that I get bored and try flipping to another tab -- which doesn't work under Firefox and gives the "app is busy" cursor and shades the window as "not updating".

    The latest Chrome: much faster. Zip, zip, done. 600 Comment article gives the busy-cursor for 3 seconds. And during those three seconds I can change tabs. FF 3.6? 8 seconds and the whole window goes to sleep. Same goes for opening a "Reply" section here.

    That being said, I don't like Chrome for other reasons and probably won't use it. But it's nice to have something to aim for.

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    1. Re:Useful here at Slashdot by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      FF 3.6.4 here on OSX 10.4 and 3 seconds is about all it usually takes, although you're apt to see the spinning beach ball in the meantime.

    2. Re:Useful here at Slashdot by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      With Firefox it isn't just the one window that sleeps - it's every Firefox window. Suppose you have two Firefox windows open (say, one on each monitor), each with its own set of tabs. You load up a Slashdot article, and both Firefox windows will freeze. (Turns out Firefox only runs one process, regardless of how many windows you have open.)

    3. Re:Useful here at Slashdot by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I'm using a browser that progressively renders the page as it is downloaded, interactive all the way through to the best of my abilities to check (scrolled way down while it was loading)

      ..under 2 seconds.. all download time.. none of this 'busy' shit you are getting with Chrome or Firefox.

      "Fastest browser on earth", or so claims it developers. Opera. Give it a chance.

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    4. Re:Useful here at Slashdot by cynyr · · Score: 1

      thats my big complaint, i wouldn't mind 30 second render times for slashdot, but the fact that i can't do anything else(like look for something else in google reader), really makes firefox feel really really slow.

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  22. Hahaha by naam00 · · Score: 1

    Google Error
    Server Error
    The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. Please try again in 30 seconds.

    ... when using Safari. I am sure that's on purpose.

    1. Re:Hahaha by ray-auch · · Score: 1

      Nope, it's in all browsers.

      Google got ./ed ? Neat.

    2. Re:Hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube to slow to serve up the video showing how fast Chrome is?

      The ironing is delicious!

  23. Opera rendering engine is far and away the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run demos from IE9's testdrive site. You will see that Opera (without hardware acceleration) destroys all other browsers and keeps up with IE9 (with its hardware acceleration). Truly Astonishing... http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/

  24. Rendering Speed Matters Why Exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many people are using 10+ year old machines? Why does Chrome's rendering speed matter? My machine is over 3 years old and I can't tell the difference in speed. Any decent system will typically be rendering faster than the net will give you the data regardless of browser. Browser wars are last millennium.

  25. Re:Too bad they kind of cheated on the fetch speed by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

    These speed tests were filmed at actual web page rendering times.

    First line of the description of the video. Granted they could've put it in the title instead of just 'speed', but I think they're being pretty straightforward in stating that this is just a rendering test.

  26. Microsoft has their demo too by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Earlier this week, I attended Web 2.0, a conference in San Francisco. One of the big exhibitors is Microsoft. At their booth was a beautiful woman demonstrating a preview of IE9. At the time, she was demonstrating the graphics performance of IE9, highlighting the fact that they used the graphics controller directly to render the spinning graphics (which looked like a Windows-NT-3GL-screen-saver) much faster than Firefox and slightly faster than Chrome. She mentioned that it was “HTML5 rendering” and pointed to the site where you or I could prove it to ourselves -- http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/. As she stood their beaming, I innocently asked if I could try, and she foolishly agreed to let me browse http://html5test.com/ which gave IE9 a score of 19/160 (BTW, that is what IE8 shows too). Then I tried it with Firefox and got 101/160, and Chrome 118/160. The beautiful woman was taken aback, obviously never having seen this site or acting as such. After learning what the site was about then generally questioning its motives, she dismissed the tests out of hand, saying they were basically irrelevant when compared to Microsoft’s. A gentleman standing next to me replied something like, “browser compatibility has been the biggest issue in developing applications, and now that most other browsers seem to have converged on a common standard, you dismiss it as irrelevant. You demonstrate a new version that will not be out for a year but does not feature any movement toward compatibility with anything but yourself.” The beautiful woman went into damage control, replying that what was being demonstrated was a preview, not even beta, and implied that many things may be added by the time it ships. I hope so, but I doubt it. BTW, others at the kiosk demonstrating Windows Mobile 7 were saying that will ship by the end of the year with IE8 and , of course, Silverlight.

    1. Re:Microsoft has their demo too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You repeated "the beautiful woman" several times, but where is the ugly woman?

    2. Re:Microsoft has their demo too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why count only your arbitrary test? Why not look at Microsoft's test cases? If you go to http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/ you'll see that IE9 passes all 192 of Microsoft's test cases, while Chrome 4.1 only passes 116. Next to IE, Opera 10.52 does the best with 127, while Safari 4.05 does the worst getting only 92 of them right.

      Are you saying that the html5test cases (like Theora support or Web Workers) are legitimate, while Microsoft's case (like ":indeterminate and input type=radio") aren't? The html5test doesn't even tell you if features work, it just tests for their presence. Similarly, the Acid3 test is just a bunch of corner cases. You can completely pass the test and still be horribly broken.

      dom

    3. Re:Microsoft has their demo too by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      What's funny to me is that my iPhone gets 113/160 and at least 7 points were lost because of video/ audio codecs. The rest was web workers and forms.

      I actually agree w the MS rep though. HTML 5 is not yet a standard and there are a lot of things (like web workers and forms) that haven't really been fully thought out.

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  27. Privoxy for the 1000th time by Markos · · Score: 1

    Hate to sound like a broken record, but yes Privoxy works great blocking ads on chrome. Yes, it does block the ads before the it reaches the browser.

  28. ten seconds is not fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the country. The YouTube video just showed the "waiting" circle for ten seconds at a time. But at least I got a connection today. I dread cloud computing.

  29. Spice by antdude · · Score: 1

    Wow, your comment sounded like those Spice TV ads. LOL.

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    1. Re:Spice by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      lol, I suppose you're right.

    2. Re:Spice by antdude · · Score: 1

      :D

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  30. Google Chrome is awesome, it has everything....... by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    Except the Google toolbar...... WTF. Seriously, do they get how many people are sticking with FF, or even [shudder] IE, just because of that?

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  31. Now ... by farlukar · · Score: 1

    If only pages would load as fast as they can be rendered.

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