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Linux Users Donate Twice As Much As Windows Users, On Average

sammyF70 writes "The Wolfire/Humble Indie Bundle real time statistics have been updated to show the average amount donated per platform. It looks like Linux users donate twice as much, on average, as Windows users. You can see some graphs on the Wolfire blog."

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  1. I wonder ... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is counting Window's Users "donations" to Microsoft, McAfee ....

    Windows users already pay through the nose, so they don't have anything leftover to donate.

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    1. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who pays for Symantec/McAfee? Most people "think" they're protected but don't realize their free one-year trial expired two years ago. That pop-up that appears at boot caused by the AV program warning that it's inactive and that the subscription needs to be reactivated? Hah, you've got to be kidding if you think many people let that thing stay up long enough to read any more words than "McAfee" or "Symantec" before closing it to get it the hell out of the way. And some others pirate the anti-virus software. Don't even wanna think about what kind of nasty stuff can be found in pirated copies of anti-virus software...

      Actually, I'd rather get a machine infected by genuine malware than destroy a system by installing one of the above-mentioned anti-virus programs, legally or illegally. But I'd take common sense, a hardware firewall and NO AV over either any day.

    2. Re:I wonder ... by westlake · · Score: 1

      Windows users already pay through the nose, so they don't have anything leftover to donate.

      The economies of scale in building for a platform with a 90% market share are enormous.

      WalMart - the world's largest and most aggressive deep discount retailer - has never been able to significantly undercut the OEM Windows system on price or features.

      The naive user running MSE with automatic updates enabled was left unscathed by Cornflicker and Alureon.
           

    3. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. How many users here have actually bought the package? This is the page after you have bought the pack http://img408.yfrog.com/img408/5660/humbleos.png Many Windows users will not bother with the form, but Linux users do to fill the graph. That's because it's not real stats.

    4. Re:I wonder ... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Hell, I didn't know about it, so I've never bought it!! I'm not a real game player, I mostly just play the free games that come through the repositories. I've heard of Goo, but never played it. The others, I've not even heard of!!

      I may give them a try, and see what I think of them.

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    5. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was all me!

      I bought one set for $50 (using Linux) then set up a script to buy a thousand copies for $0.01 on my Windows Virtual Box.

    6. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe Windows users are not used to the idea of paying for games.

    7. Re:I wonder ... by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is why I highly recommend Comodo Internet Security as it is free for personal use, so no subscriptions to run out, low resource ( according to process explorer it is using a whole 15Mb and 0% CPU while running both the firewall and AV) and most importantly IT WORKS. I have relatives that are "clicky clicky" happy and will pick up more viruses than a Bangkok Whore, and Comodo has kept their machines squeaky clean.

      Now as for TFA, I'd have some questions before I'd believe their "results", for example-What percentage of those that donate don't list their OS? Does their game equally appeal to Windows users? How many Windows users have downloaded the game? does their product mainly appeal to those looking for free stuff?

      I know that this is the first time I've ever heard of this bunch, and looking at their "games list" here I don't see anything that would really appeal to a Windows user. Lets be honest here folks, it isn't like Windows users are hurting for quality top notch games. From Good Old Games to Steam, from the Amazon bargain bin to the latest AAA titles, it isn't like Windows users have to scour the backwoods of the Internet for games. My guess is since there is less Linux games it is simply easier to get noticed on that platform, whereas we Windows gamers frankly have games coming out our ears and don't really look much at the indy stuff unless it makes a big splash like World of Goo.

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    8. Re:I wonder ... by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      That is why I highly recommend Comodo Internet Security as it is free for personal use, so no subscriptions to run out, low resource ( according to process explorer it is using a whole 15Mb and 0% CPU while running both the firewall and AV) and most importantly IT WORKS.

      Comodo is snake oil. The concept of use is when you install new software put it in training mode. Except training mode isn't per application, it's systemwide and if any process does something you blocked before, it now gets whitelisted. There is a known problem that with full screen games that if comodo tries to popup at all the computer locks up on quitting the game. Comodo's response, mark the game trusted or put it in training mode.

      https://forums.comodo.com/frequently-asked-questions-faq-for-comodo-firewall/a-note-to-gamers-t20008.0.html
      http://www.google.com/search?q=comodo+black+screen

      So if you have a program that you don't explicitly trust that uses fullscreen mode there's no way to handle it securely with comodo. Worse if you run a program while comodo is protecting you, that program can go to fullscreen mode and crash computer from a user account. Some protection that is...

    9. Re:I wonder ... by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      Comodo Internet Security is also free for business use. That is also why I recommend it!

    10. Re:I wonder ... by hairyfeet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I have to call bullshit, because I have been running CIS for two years now, game all the fucking time, and honestly? I've never turned Comodo off or done jack shit to it and it works just fine. If there is some game that is calling hooks deep enough for CIS to raise an alarm I'd be wondering WTF is that game doing, because CoD, every MoH, F.E.A.R plus expansions, Far Cry, a ton of games from GOG, more games from the Amazon bargain bin than I can count and...nothing, zip zilch nada squat.

      And you don't need "training mode" for squat. I have NEVER used training mode, it is frankly pointless unless you have a bunch of weird apps calling on crazy ports or .DLLs. If you really want this game, here is what you do...put in on the Whitelist. Tada! That's it! Just that simple. If you trust that game you can put it on the whitelist and comodo won't say another word.

      Finally it isn't snake oil dude, as I have sen its results with my own two peepers. I have relatives that can infect an XP box as quick as you can say "Bangkok Whore" and have customers that surf sites and click on links from emails that would make any IT guy cry. Since switching from AVG to Comodo, you know how many bugs I have had to clean off their PCs? None. Zip, nada squat. Just make sure you put it on a clean PC and choose stateful, along with a heuristics level of medium and you are golden.

      But if you'll look at your own link it was written by some guest and NOT the Comodo team, so I would trust his bullshit about as much as I would those "speed up your games!" hacks. I've been gaming hard with comodo running 24/7 and never saw a black screen, blue screen, any screen but the game screen, and I've played most of the biggies. I just wonder how many of those "black Screen + Comodo" that you linked to are using dodgy NO-CD/DVD cracks and fucking their games up. Many of those frankly ain't worth a shit and will make a game VERY unstable.

      I have handed out CIS to a good 200+ folks, among then folks from all walks including many gamers, and I have NEVER had a bit of trouble or a single complaint about CIS, which is more than I can say for AVG, Avast, Norton, hell I've seen and tried them all, and for me and my customers and relatives Comodo Internet Security just works. BTW this is being typed from a machine that has been up for nearly 2 years with CIS going, only reboots for windows updates. Not a single problem with Comodo.

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    11. Re:I wonder ... by sartin · · Score: 1

      If this is counting Window's Users "donations" to Microsoft, McAfee ....

      That reasoning doesn't cover why Mac users are donating 40% more than Windows users (per TFA).

    12. Re:I wonder ... by Drinking+Bleach · · Score: 1

      It defaults to reporting as a purchase for Windows only, so it seems to be covered.

    13. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just FYI, some current versions of Comodo crash Hedgewars.

      Not sure 'sactly what it thinks it is blocking, but after completely removing it, crashes in net play go away.

      If you browse in past, Comodo has done similar things with other apps.

      Still get plenty of Comodo users on the Hedgewars forum saying the game is dying on them. Has become the first question we ask of Windows users.

      Linux is fairly well behaved, apart from, well, pulseaudio.

    14. Re:I wonder ... by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 1

      I would argue that Windows users are donating more than enough: Gates Foundation. Just a thought...
      Yes, I use both Linux and Windows.

    15. Re:I wonder ... by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      The black screen bug doesn't effect you since it is limited to 64bit windows 7. So I'll inform you it effects basically every use of directx for fullscreen, If CIS attempts to make a popup. It's well-documented in the forums with hundreds of threads and they all get a response linking to that thread "Just put in it in trusted mode". The link may have been written by a guest, but it was also stickied and that's the intended solution they link to all over the place. I don't fault them for not working properly on 64bit win7, updating takes time (CIS still hasn't fixed this bug). I fault them for a response that leads to gaping security hole. This and their controversy over selling unverified SSL certificates and I've lost faith in them.

      Comodo is a good start for people to do a simple baseline of security (and it's at least that, signature based AV are worse then useless). It's a good concept with some massive holes by design. Training mode will make massive whitelists (on unrelated apps) that skirt around your blacklists, it's just an insane implementation. It shows a design philosophy of usability over security policy.

      "a trusted system is one which can break your security policy"

    16. Re:I wonder ... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Uhhh dude WTF do you think I'm on? I'm on Windows 7 HP x64, have been since Oct, and before that XP x64. I did a whole...it was either one or two reboots during install, and it was all good.Of course I wasn't stupid enough to leave the AV on while doing a fricking OS upgrade, but still. So again I have to call bullshit, as I've been gaming all fucking day and haven't seen shit, haven't seen shit since OCt, and didn't see shit on XP x64 before that.

      Now maybe if some dumbass used compatibility mode to install the 32 bit Comodo on x64, which is possible, then I can see it. But I've got a dozen customers on x64, and 4 members of my family, all running Windows 7, so if there was a serious bug I'd know about it. There ain't one dude. I have to wonder if maybe they have some dodgy hardware or something, because I'd be happy to tell you of any glitches I've had with comodo, and the only one I've found is Comodo Time Machine and dual boots. Even then it don't screw anything, it just won't install.

      Maybe they have a corrupted install, a bad HDD, another app interfering, who knows? But I've been running Comodo myself for 2 years now, typi ng this on W7 HP x64 with a quad AMD and 8Gb of RAM, and all is just sunshine and puppies dude.

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    17. Re:I wonder ... by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      Good for you, you must be running a lot more permissively then I'm willing to. But the problem isn't the bug, it's CIS response to the widespread problem. I wouldn't trust a home router that said just turn on upnp because there was bugs with port forwarding.

    18. Re:I wonder ... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      WTF do you mean "running permissively" dude? Scanner is on access, heuristics is set to medium. Any higher on heuristics and with any product you'd be dealing with more false positives than you could count. So exactly WTF am I supposed to turn higher than that, because I'll be happy to and post screenshots. I still think it is a piece of third party crapware interfering with Comodo and causing problems, same as I would have trouble with customers and AVG+MSN Messenger.

      But you tell me what you want changed and I'll be happy to be the testbed. Defense+ is set to clean PC mode, because it, like every other Comodo install I currently take care of, was installed on a new clean OS install. The only higher I can go is paranoid, which I have 3 of my family members that are "clicky clicky" happy set to, again no problems.

      Now I'm not saying these folks aren't having a serious problem, hell they probably are. But building, repairing, and selling PC for 15 years I have come to find often when you are damned sure it is A causing a problem often B will be the culprit. Considering how many messengers, and browser toolbars, and other crap folks will happily install onto their PC even with the AV screaming "DON'T!" I'd want to see a list of what these folks are running before blaming ANY AV, including Comodo. An Antivirus is an extremely complex and powerful piece of software. You can't just go around dumping crapware and trialware and turns of absolute garbage on it and expect it to be hearts and flowers.

      One final thing...If you are using paranoid mode in comodo, well then you're an idiot. Sorry, no offense, but you are. In fact I secretly call paranoid mode "idiot mode" because the ONLY ones I've need to use paranoid mode on are the ones that will run email attachments, go to dodgy porn sites and run "codecs" trying to see teh boobies, in other words total idiots. I have two teen boys, and just by teaching them 3 rules, no codecs or "downloaders", no IE, and no email attachments, I've never needed paranoid mode for them. So if this turns out to all be over paranoid mode, well then to quote that old comedian, here's your sign. Paranoid mode is for those that are really too stupid to have a PC, but you can't take it away from them.

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    19. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    20. Re:I wonder ... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      That's because it's not real stats.

      I downloaded the Windows version, paid $30 for it, and reported as using Mac and Linux.

      And that's before I even saw this discussion on Slashdot.

  2. Not surprising... by maugle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Linux has fewer games than Windows, so games would be more highly valued by Linux users than Windows users.

    1. Re:Not surprising... by Jurily · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Windows donations still account for more than half.

    2. Re:Not surprising... by Iskender · · Score: 1

      I'm posting just to agree completely. I'm an Ubuntu user who doesn't dual-boot. I'd love to play some nice games. Everything else works nicely, but man I'd love to play some stuff without emulators that never seem to work anyway.

      To be fair, I haven't upgraded my computer in years, so maybe I should blame the victim a bit too...

    3. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this.

      Games for windows outnumbers the linux games by at least 100 to 1.

      A new linux game is big news. A new windows game better be a killer hit to even be noticed.

    4. Re:Not surprising... by tonycheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Second theory: a much higher percentage of Windows users paid 1 cent for the games. Kids are less likely to have a more expensive Mac and Linux is much more likely to be installed on an adult's machine. (Might be a stupid theory, feel free to poke holes).
      Similarly, we can't forget that the total raised includes donations to EFF and some other charities. It would make sense to me that Linux users are more likely to donate to EFF?

    5. Re:Not surprising... by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Still, very nearly 50% of the money contributed is coming from OS X and Linux. Whether it's because those users are more affluent, more inclined to buy games, or just happy to support any development on their platform, the numbers show there's a substantial market to be tapped. Studies like this are exactly the thing marketing departments want to see.

      And it couldn't have come at a better time: Steam's imminent release on OS X and Linux is about to make cross-platform development substantially easier. While it's hardly the Year of Gaming Linux, it would be nice to remember 2010 as the year we started chipping away at Microsoft's PC gaming monopoly.

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    6. Re:Not surprising... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what's the Windows marketshare on the desktop? Probably at least 100 times that of Linux. So, if charity were equal, you'd expect Windows users to cover at least 85% of donations.

      That's not even counting people who buy while at work, on their office-supplied Windows machine, while intending to use the games on Mac or Linux. Or those who primarily use Linux or Mac, but dual-boot Windows to play games.

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    7. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Windows donations still account for more than half.

      Realize that the vast majority of people who use a computer are running the Windows OS. The fact that half of the donations are attributed to OS X and Linux shows a much larger patronage.

    8. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's the Windows marketshare on the desktop? Probably at least 100 times that of Linux.

      Yeah, that's right. So... If Linux marketshare is say, 2.7% of the market, then Windows probably has 270% of the market! That's just how awesome it is!

    9. Re:Not surprising... by night_flyer · · Score: 1

      and how many in that market share play games?

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    10. Re:Not surprising... by RMingin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, as someone who actually BOUGHT the bundle in TFA, I'd like to make note that the OS reporting is voluntary, not linked to the OS running at purchase time, and done when you get the email, not when you're typing in your Paypal/CC info. I registered as Linux, as that's what I have on the most machines, and most care to use, but I probably spend most of my clock time on Windows, either at work (where Windows is mandated), or at home playing the ~50% of games I want to play that aren't available under Linux, or at least not cleanly/easily.

      I'm looking forward to this hypothetical Linux Steam client, as it'll let me do more of my gaming on my OS of choice.

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    11. Re:Not surprising... by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I bought the games to encourage the development... I didn't donate as much as some probably, but don't play games much...

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    12. Re:Not surprising... by bheekling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many in the Linux/OSX marketshare play games?

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    13. Re:Not surprising... by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      My random guess is because Windows users have a greater amount of games to choose from, they're less likely to consider donating alot of money to a single game making group.

    14. Re:Not surprising... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Actually, as someone who actually BOUGHT the bundle in TFA, I'd like to make note that the OS reporting is voluntary, not linked to the OS running at purchase time, and done when you get the email, not when you're typing in your Paypal/CC info.

      That's interesting. I bought the bundle too, but after about three days, haven't clicked on the email link yet (I already bought most of those games anyway). Seeing as I never saw any "what platform do you use" option, I assumed those stats must have come from browser user-agent IDs.

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    15. Re:Not surprising... by Boldoran · · Score: 1

      While it would be nice to conclude that Linux / Mac users are just nice people I don't think this is the only possible conclusion. I suspect many Linux users are a bit older (as in old enough to have a job) which leads to them having some money. Whereas your average kid with no money will tiyically have acces to the Family Computer running Windows.

    16. Re:Not surprising... by westlake · · Score: 1

      Linux has fewer games than Windows, so games would be more highly valued by Linux users than Windows users.

      The Windows gamer also has choices like Gog.com. Classic MSDOS and Windows games. All genres. Ready to Run under Windows 7. $6 to $10. Bundles $10-$15.

    17. Re:Not surprising... by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 1

      The evidence for Steam on Linux is very thin, at best.

    18. Re:Not surprising... by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Those DOS games mostly run fine under DOSBox, and if someone really wants to run them then FreeDOS runs fine under a VM and games that old are nothing to run on a recent machine. The really classic Windows games should do okay under Wine for the most part, as they're all under 9x or XP. Many of the older Windows games actually run better under Wine than on Windows 7 (unless you use XP mode, but that's virtualizing an OS again).

    19. Re:Not surprising... by egladil · · Score: 1

      The option to register your purchase as Windows, OS X and/or Linux is on the download page so if you haven't clicked the link yet it's not surprising you haven't seen it.

    20. Re:Not surprising... by Mista2 · · Score: 1

      I paid a little more than the average as I downloaded the bundle for all OS's and intended ot install on 4 machines, 1 Windows, a Mac Mini and 2 Linux.

    21. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly the same here (on Debian, though).

      I work on software for a living, so I don't really feel the need to tweak things as a hobby: as a result I currently choose laptops with Intel graphics.

      That combination (linux + Intel graphics) seems to be reliable as hell and doesn't require any administration, but I do miss the occasional game. Things like World of Goo work fine of course but anything demanding is probably out of the question.

    22. Re:Not surprising... by night_flyer · · Score: 1

      probably more that the corporate share which run primarily windows

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    23. Re:Not surprising... by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the "Windows" DOS games on Gog.com are pretty much all just bundles of the original DOS game plus a copy of DOSBox anyway. So they work exactly as well on Linux as on Windows; you just need to (apt-get|yum) install dosbox first.

      And I can vouch for many of the Windows games running fine in Wine. The Fallout games are perfect on Linux, for example.

    24. Re:Not surprising... by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 1

      The Windows donations still account for more than half.

      According to their real time stats, Linux donations are double the Windows donations

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    25. Re:Not surprising... by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      It's interesting you mention the Fallout games. Does that include as far back as Fallout 1? I ask because Windows 7, no matter what compatibility settings I try, does not present proper colors for Fallout 1 without XP Mode.

    26. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, my impression was that the OS purchased on was the default until/unless the purchaser changes it when downloading. I purchased under Linux and when I went to the download page Linux was already ticked.

  3. Of course by interkin3tic · · Score: 0

    Those who use windows have less money due to having to pay for geeksquad for cleaning the scumware and viruses off their computers or buying new ones. Which reminds me, my computer is passing that 20 minute boot up time, probably need to buy a new one...

    (...Kidding guys, don't flood me with suggestions)

    1. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I've been using Windows since 3.11, and I've never used the Geek Squad or a similar service.

      If you're competent enough to properly maintain a Linux box, you're competent enough to keep a Windows machine clean.

    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way. My impression on slashdot is once these users fire up a Windoze machine it endlessly cycle bluescreens. But not after being infected by virus's & trojans.

  4. Bah. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Informative

    I bought world of Goo through Steam for my windows machine and paid more than the average Linux user contributes more for the whole indie bundle. When folks 'contribute' through different sources, these number don't mean much.

    1. Re:Bah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your personal, single, anecdotal experince obviously completely shatters the average of 59955 sales. Really? Why do you think anyone would care about individual peak values. It's the total income that matters, nothing else, when selling software.

    2. Re:Bah. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Your personal, single, anecdotal experince obviously completely shatters the average of 59955 sales.

      I don't see any mention of sales, much less a number, in TFA. They seem to be talking only about the "donation" part of it. Can you provide a reference for your claims?

    3. Re:Bah. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      And how much of that did the devs actually get?
      Who cares if retail gross is higher, if retail net is lower.

    4. Re:Bah. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      You kind of missed the entire point about there being many means of contributing besides that one specific indie distributor. One VERY popular one is steam which is windows only. So stats provided only from that indie distributor don't reflect total contributions by a long shot. Do you really think I'm the only windows user who purchased it through Steam? Really? Seriously? Considering total income, rather than what was generated by that one indie distributor was my point. You missed the point by a mile Mr. Coward.

    5. Re:Bah. by TheCycoONE · · Score: 1

      http://www.wolfire.com/humble They keep a running tally of the number of sales on the front page... it's 61606 as I post.

    6. Re:Bah. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Er, it says "number of contributions", not "number of sales".

      Also, that page is only for the bundle. GG...P point was that those games were already available for purchase on Windows separately for quite a while, and specifically via Steam, where indie games generally sell rather well - so a lot of people on Windows already own them and paid for them.

      What would be interesting is if they aggregated all Steam sales statistics from all the games in the bundle together with donations.

    7. Re:Bah. by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      At the moment, we have about 53,500 donations -- far more than we expected! But where did they come from? Our breakdown for number of donations per platform is: 65% Windows, 21% Mac, and 14% Linux. However, when we look at the amount donated per platform, we see something different. Our breakdown for total donation size per platform is 52% Windows, 25% Mac, and 23% Linux.

      I think what we can infer is that the "sales" figure here is the "53,500 donations" figure, since all contributions in exchange for the bundle were chosen by the user. "Number of contributions" = "Number of sales" in this experiment. Maybe some windows users have already bought WoG on Steam...I myself downloaded it from 2dboy directly in their paywhatyouwant sale for both Windows and Linux. I also bought the Penumbra "trilogy" a while ago. But what the hell does that matter? The point of this news story is that when all users are given a choice about how much to pay for this bundle, Linux and Mac users tended to donate more than Windows users. So what if the OP paid much more for the game via Steam? If he wasn't able to choose to pay less or more, and I doubt he could, it's irrelevant.

      I'll be generous, if the OP's point was that more of the Windows users already own one of the games, and altered their donation appropriately (why not say that?), then I would counter that with the fact that WoG and Penumbra have been available for sale to Linux users for a long time as well, as has Lugaru (the others I hadn't seen before the wolfire sale). In fact, I would say that given the smaller number of games available for Linux, and the fact that WoG and Penumbra had a huge amount of success with pay what you want sales advertised on /., that a large number of Linux d'loaders would also have duplicate games within the bundle. Like me. I dropped my donation slightly as I already own WoG and Penumbra. Now what? We trade anecdotal evidence back and forth?

    8. Re:Bah. by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      Think you're missing the point. Did you have a choice as to what you paid through Steam? Or was it a fixed price? Did your money go direct to the developers? The point of this story/price experiment/analysis is that when given the choice of what to pay, and knowing that their donations were going either direct to the developers, or to a charity, Linux & Mac users donate more than Windows users.

    9. Re:Bah. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      Think you're missing the point.

      No, I don't think I am.

      I also had the choice to buying the game cheaper elsewhere, with profits going to the developers. My decision was instead to buy through Steam. I like the Steam distribution model. I trust the Valve folks to Vet stuff more than some indie site, and Valve has a reputation of being decent with developers that want to use their distribution system.

      If you are weeding out users who have already bought the game earlier (and paid more when it was offered for more), and folks who prefer other distribution models, don't have explicit trust in an unvetted developer/distributor, etc, then there are many variables you aren't accounting for in this 'experiment'.

      Then of course when you consider that Linux folks also have less games available to them (A LOT less unless you want to mess with WINE and I've tried and given that up, far to much grief for many things for my taste) then that makes the lower number of games that run well under Linux more valuable to them than to a Windows user. Another confound for this 'experiment' Sorry, I'm a scientist, and this has too many uncontrolled variables you can't just get some easy take-home message like 'windows users don't want to pay/donate as much as Linux folks' unless you don't really care about that being the truth of the matter.

  5. And again, the world is a little nicer. by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps because when you feel like you've already got a bargain (infinite value for money on average), you're happy to chuck a few quid in. And can I just say, what a nice, simple, well laid out and advert-realistic that website from TFA is? When we all so often get complete wastes of cycles and eyeballs, that's a really nice website, and we should say so as loudly as we complain about bad ones.

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    1. Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      And can I just say, what a nice, simple, well laid out and advert-realistic that website from TFA is?

      It looks practically the same as all the other blog-type websites I've ever looked at.
      But then I use adblock and noscript. Kinda funny how those two can take some many crummy websites and not only remove all the suck, but actually make things look decent.

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    2. Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. by sznupi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I like this new world, new kind of culture (yes, the elders would yell "the world is falling down!" anyway), ideas - for which people will pay, if they are worth anything. It's perhaps related to how, apparently, heavy p2p users actually buy a lot of music...only it's not so often from the major labels anymore (but often with "useless" nice physical addons, quite common in indie world).

      Two different spheres, but in a way with converging ideas. Hey, RIAA would like us to believe that p2p users are thieves. And why would those hippie Linux users, wanting everything for free and loathing closed source software, pay more in this case?... (and when not being watched)

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    3. Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      donation paying is really the ultimate free market. I think if more things were priced by how much people valued them rather then prices regulated by government and corporate monopolys we'd all be a lot better off.

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    4. Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Windows user, I used to be forced to pay for anything and everything. After paying I would find out that whatever wasn't worth a shit. This led me to piracy. I even used pirated versions of Windows when I had a perfectly good license for their Professional editions just for the spite of it.

      Then when the DRM scare came, I decided the Microsoft gang and their friends got my last penny.

      Your chances for getting my money are:
      BSD > GPL > GPL with freeware assets > freeware with source(so that it can be recompiled for newer systems) > freeware > good commercial software

      That is, unless your "freeware" is a driver for your undocumented piece of shitware, and paying for the dead piece of silicon that I cannot use on my main OS is my "donation".

    5. Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 0

      Sure sounds good. Lets see you get payed by what your boss would like to donate to you.
      Make sure you let him know any amount is ok from 1 cent to a million dollars.
      Hope you can get foodstamps.

    6. Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      Both myself and my boss are well aware that I'm paid less than I'm worth, and also less than he *wants* to pay me, the constraints of the market don't allow higher wages. Yay capitalism. Which is kind of the point the parent had.

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  6. Donate to who, and for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why would your typical windows user have heard of these people? Why would they donate?

    In short, why do I care?

  7. Must be all that disposable income by pathological+liar · · Score: 0

    ... from not buying Windows, antivirus software, an office suite, ...

  8. As this was mentioned the other day, by 4lex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wondered, will people care enough to start making fake donations, i.e. pay 1c, then download the windows version, to make the other camp look bad?

    You've got to take these things with a grain of salt anyway. I know I only paid $10 for the bundle because I wasn't sure it was going to work at all on my oldish hardware. I'm likely to "buy" it again for a higher price as a thumbs-up once I give all games a good try and am convinced I like them.

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  9. Hi, I'm a Linux by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    PC: And I'm a PC

    Linux: Whatcha doing, PC?

    PC: Playing games.

    Linux: Cool, which ones?

    PC: All of them.

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    1. Re:Hi, I'm a Linux by xlsior · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or more typical:


      Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac

      PC: And I'm a PC

      Mac: Whatcha doing, PC?

      PC: Playing games.

      Mac: Cool, can I play too?

      PC: No.

    2. Re:Hi, I'm a Linux by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

      PC: "I've got a date with a hot chick tonight! We're going clubbing, what about you, Steve?"

      Mac: "I've got a date with a hot guy tonight. We're going to see Rent."

      PC: "Steve, you ol' tiger, you! What about you, Poindexter?"

      Linux: "Aww..."

    3. Re:Hi, I'm a Linux by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      You joke of course, but with Steam for OSX coming out in, say, 5 days - Mac computers will have several extremely popular games.

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    4. Re:Hi, I'm a Linux by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Linux: Whatcha doing, PC?

      PC: Playing games.

      Xbox, PS3, Wii in chorus: LOL WUT?

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    5. Re:Hi, I'm a Linux by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Xbox, PS3, Wii in chorus: LOL WUT?

      they also say "roffle" out loud when they laugh, don't mind them, they're just a little retarded. Due to the structure of their brains, games are the only thing they can think of for more than five seconds. PS3 had a side gig for a while, but it was just too hard, and it interfered with playing games. Plus, it was never really very good at it anyway, due to having one hand tied behind its back.

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  10. Re:Define major by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA: "...select games that support all three major desktop platforms: Mac, Windows, and Linux"

    That's adorable.

    Yeah, it's funny that they mentioned Mac/Windows at all. I mean, honestly, who uses those?

  11. Yawn by ledow · · Score: 1, Troll

    3 days in a row, three slashvertisements for this Humble/Indie Bundle... who's getting their percentage?

    1. Re:Yawn by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      EFF?

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    2. Re:Yawn by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      Just to make it clear. I'm not affiliated in any way (apart from having bought the Humble Bundle myself) with any of the developers or organizations involved. It's seldom enough that one gets insight into sales that I thought it might be of interest to some of the slashdot readers. oh .. and did you know? Apple released a tablet!

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    3. Re:Yawn by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      If you so chose the whole 100% of the donation for the bundle could go to Child's Play, a gamer-run charity that donates toys and games to children's wards in hospitals, or the EFF, a non-profit digital civil-liberties group. That answers your question.

  12. Windows user twice as wealthy as Linux users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows user twice as wealthy as Linux users, on average.

  13. Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have fun trying to virtualize any games from the last decade.

  14. Re:I Really Hope You Are 10 Years Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that mean you are 10 years old yourself?

  15. A: Because it breaks the flow of a message by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: Why is starting a comment in the Subject: line incredibly rude?

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    1. Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message by spun · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Your comment illustrates the problems with top posting, not starting the comment in the subject line. Which in this instance does not notably break the flow because everyone is already familiar with the flow of the commercials. While you could certainly critique starting the comment in the subject line, you'd have to find a different way to do it. But then again, all of us from the Usenet era know this quote, so we can follow your analogy, flawed as it is.

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    2. Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While you could certainly critique starting the comment in the subject line, you'd have to find a different way to do it.

      For one thing, it breaks the quote button.

    3. Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bother you, I do, when, by your personal preferences, post, I do not..

    4. Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      I suppose that's true... if one has a 1 second attention span.

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  16. Have fun eating my Cock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll even tar and chicken-feather(recent proprietary compression AlGore-rythm) it before feeding it to your stdin.

    Seriously, if you don't know what QEMU can do, in conjuction with even a non-native WINE on a embedded architecture as would a Cell Phone or PDA, then there's nothing anyone can do to help you. Especially since you have mod-points, nobody is going to see what could've helped you because you mod-down anything contrary to your opinion.

    So since you don't like this comment, eat a dick you inverted prick. Suck it downtown, Charlie Brown.

    1. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by spun · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Let's be more specific then: have fun running any game from the last ten years at anything better than 10 seconds per frame. It's not about not liking your comment, get over your fucking persecution complex. It's about you being an idiot who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah, in theory you are right. In practice, well, let's just say the grown-ups here can tell you've never even tried what you espouse. This isn't even a Windows vs. Linux thing. I'm a Linux sysadmin, I was using it when you were still shitting yourself, sport. I use Linux for nearly everything. Everything except games. Some of us like our games a bit more complex than minesweeper and solitaire.

      Fucking recent Linux converts piss me off. "Blahblahblah windows sux, linux rox, it can do anything!" yeah, yeah, we know, we were all sixteen and just discovering open source once, too.

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    2. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      Why "Windows has better games" and "Windows sux" are not mutually exclusive tough.

      I have a windows system named "gameboy", guess what I use it for...

      And the abundance of games is not even a virtue of Windows per se, but of it's ubiquity.

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    3. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by druke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's be more specific then: have fun running any game from the last ten years at anything better than 10 seconds per frame..

      Okay Mr. Expert, I call bullshit. Games that run beautifully (some needing more work than others based on hardware and lack of support channels, but that's not saying it cannot be done):

      • World of Warcraft (I don't play it personally, but I know many that do)
      • Team Fortress 2, my mic even works without extra setup thanks to pulse audio (that's right, praise to PA!)
      • Eve-Online
      • Dragon Age
      • I said Tf2 already, but really anything that runs in the Source engine.

      In fact.. I can't think of a game that I actually want to play, that doesn't run on linux (given enough work). I'm not saying that it is super easy to make all these work, but a high and mighty sys admin should see this as child's play; and only be, slightly, complicated to the neophyte convert. So once again, no better that 10 fps... Bullshit. Go eat a dick, and come back when you've shaved that neckbeard.

      To everyone else: gaming is far from perfect but it is not this absolute paradigm shift that certain people make it out to be. All it takes is -minimal- support from developers (more if the studio is deeply tied to .net and super direct3d stuff), and BAM shit starts to fall into place. (see WoW, EvE, and the source engine stuff).

      After typing out this long post, I see that this is initially in reply to 'virtual' environments, the posts being modded down, and your's being 5: insightful (thereby not being hidden). I agree, virtual environments for gaming ,while it can work, is a shitty idea. It's similar to fixing a leaky faucet by installing a new faucet. Bandaiding the issue, while ignoring the larger problem. If you're post was specific to virtual environments, I'm sorry, disregard all the negative things I said about you, I didn't fully read the hidden comments.

      As more games move to working on mac and windows, we'll see a larger shift in games that work well in linux (not because mac apps are easy to run in linux, that's not actually true; It's easier to run windows applications than it is mac applications applications. The reasons are slightly more complicated; Just take my opinion, as a guy on the internet, and regard it as fact.). Steam is the first big -potential- example, The fact of the matter is that the industry thinks linux support is super hard, when it's not as hard as they think it is. (it's comparable to the average man running 2-3 miles every day, it's really not hard at all, you just have to get up and do it). And with companies now actually considering mac versions, linux versions look much much easier.

    4. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I'm up to that challenge. Ten seconds per frame. You are not the sysadmin you claim to be. Get off your dead ass, download all of the virtualization softwares, and TEST THEM!! Really put them through their paces.

      I'll grant that you lose a bit of performance in virtual machines. I'll grant that *some* games just won't virtualize. But, many games will load and run, and they do MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than you claim. And, it's very likely that the developers of VBox, VMWare, and Parallels are working on the problems with some of the games. Hell, I can't really say that they are, but it's quite likely, IMO.

      A LOT of games run very nicely. They are just applications, after all.

      Just put them through their paces, and stop making ignorant comments. And, next year, take another look. The VM's are really getting better. VBox today is NOT the VBox of one year ago. Given another ~5 years, GP's post may very well be accurate, in that ALL games can be virtualized inside of Linux.

      I think it's sweet that I can already run a Windows machine to browse all the malware sites, and collect all the real trash available, to play with at my leisure, then just reset the VM to a snapshot. Awesome!! Talk about real gaming, LMAO

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    5. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In fact.. I can't think of a game that I actually want to play, that doesn't run on linux (given enough work).

      for those of us who don't want to have to maintain and operate four different versions of Wine to poorly play games, there's Windows.

      Look, I like Linux. I brought Linux home to fuck my sister. I'm using Linux to write this comment right now. But basically none of the games I want to play play properly on Linux. Games which are listed as having "Gold" compatibility on the Wine site don't work at all. Mechwarrior IV that just came out fails with some memory exception. I got Startopia to launch in Wine 1.0 but never in an earlier or later version. Civ 2 has never worked, likewise Alpha Centauri. Battlezone would sometimes launch halfway and sometimes not at all but I never got graphics. Dungeon Siege errors and quits. In truth, I've tried dozens of games, and the vast majority of even the old games fail. If you truly believe that more PC games work on Wine than don't work, you have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.

      +

      I said Tf2 already, but really anything that runs in the Source engine.

      Unless it has additional restrictive DRM which doesn't work on Linux. All that CD check stuff tends to break Wine with memory exceptions. You have to strip out the CD checks before games will work, and in most cases, they still don't, not least because of incompetent, amateurish cracks.

      As more games move to working on mac and windows, we'll see a larger shift in games that work well in linux

      People keep saying that, but it hasn't happened. The Wii was supposed to do it too; there's plenty of non-Wiimote games on the Wii that would have been easy to port. Also, any incompetent PS2 or PS3 port (which underuses the EE or the Cell, respectively) should be an easy port, but we've got basically zero games like that. Making it easy to bring a title to Linux doesn't bring it there; it has to look profitable, too.

      (not because mac apps are easy to run in linux, that's not actually true; It's easier to run windows applications than it is mac applications applications. The reasons are slightly more complicated; Just take my opinion, as a guy on the internet, and regard it as fact.).

      You're a stupid ass. This is slashdot, we can understand that OSX is POSIX, and that Objective-C and OpenGL are readily available on Linux (not to mention OpenStep.) Few slashdot users want to be talked down to, especially by someone like yourself, who is unqualified.

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    6. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact of the matter is that the industry thinks linux support is super hard, when it's not as hard as they think it is. (it's comparable to the average man running 2-3 miles every day, it's really not hard at all, you just have to get up and do it).

      So Linux gaming support is comparable to the avarege american man willing to run 2-3 miles a day? God, we're more screwed than I previously thought.

    7. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      I said Tf2 already, but really anything that runs in the Source engine.

      Unless it has additional restrictive DRM which doesn't work on Linux. All that CD check stuff tends to break Wine with memory exceptions. You have to strip out the CD checks before games will work, and in most cases, they still don't, not least because of incompetent, amateurish cracks.

      I can't even name a Source engine game that has additional DRM besides Steam.

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    8. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by druke · · Score: 1

      [paraphrase]You're wrong because I can name off n bad experiences[/paraphrase]

      I'll actually meet you on MW4, but it is a general trend for games coming of of MS's game studio to not work on wine. As for all your other games, sorry you've had bad experiences Dungeon Seige has a platinum rating, Alpa Centari a garbage rating, and civ 2 a silver rating. The point is, my parent said it was impossible to do any games better than 10 fps, and I called BS on that. I went further to say that many mainstream games work great. To which you grudgingly reply "oh yea? well... civ 2 doesn't work". I'll leave that there.

      [paraphrase]CD check drm doesn't work well.[/paraphrase]

      the is simply not true for all games; some yes, most, not at all. TF2/source games, not at all. This issue simply doesn't hold water.

      [paraphrase]Hah.. you're so wrong about mac stuff being hard, it's all unix and psoix and c workds and opengl works and yadda yadda yadda[/paraphrase]

      Okay smart ass, then you tell me how to run this itunes.dmg installer. I glossed over the topic of it being slightly complicated (I admitted it in the post). But if you want to break it down, yes you can compile anything on linux, man if you're willing this much effort into compiling obj-c mac stuff on linux, yet you complain about wine difficulties? Sorry but your counter argument right here tells me you don't know what you're talking about, great that you laid the acronym penis measurement on me, maybe if I had more in my op I'd not have been so wrong?

      [paraphrase]On a final note: shut up guy on the internet, you don't know what you're talking about.[/paraphrase]

      There is always this chance when you take up arguments with random people online. I could not know what the fuck I'm talking about, in fact everything before, imagine I made it up. Personally I think it's more likely you don't actually know as much as you seem to think you do.

      [predicts]I'm a system admin for unix, veteran of n years, shut up kid[/predicts]

      I'm sorry, but that gives you no authority on running modern games on linux with wine... None at all. Okay, you have about the same authority on the subject as random guy on the internet. I personally have a beef with self proclaimed 'unix sys admins' because my father in law is one... and I have to deal with his handycap (he thinks he knows what he's talking about) all the time; thus making me an expert on unix sys admins.

    9. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by druke · · Score: 1

      Actualyl looking back, I shouldn't have said every day, I should have said 2-3 miles, 2-3 times a week. Every day is actually a bit rough (unless you plan on running 5ks and such and competing).

    10. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      As for all your other games, sorry you've had bad experiences Dungeon Seige has a platinum rating, Alpa Centari a garbage rating, and civ 2 a silver rating.

      I can look in the database too. But since I can't get Dungeon Siege to work on wine 1.0, 1.1, or 1.2, with all options turned off or with all options turned on, and further have never got civ 2 to work more than to open and then crash when I try to move or something similar, I trust that database about as much as I trust you. I read the reports and they say they take out the CD check and it works. I try the same version, and the same patch, and it fails. Shrug.

      blah blah blah huaglghalghah blah blah blah

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    11. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by spun · · Score: 1

      Well I'm the admin for a very large VMware system, 30 IBM Blades running Vsphere. I've taken all the classes and used VMWare for some heavy duty applications, mostly Linux based. I can explain all about virtualization performance to you, if you'd like.

      Here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about. You can't virtualize a 3D card. What shows up for the VM client system is a generic card without 3D acceleration. Games are not just applications, in order to get decent performance, they need to access the hardware at a lower level than most applications.

      Sure, the 'ten seconds per frame' was hyperbole, but only slight. When most people talk video games these days, we're talking 3D heavy games, not Tetris. If you've gotten any games with 3D graphics working quickly in a VM, I'd love to hear which ones and what frame rates you are getting.

      Trying to explain virtualization to me is like trying to teach your grandma to suck eggs. Simple fact, unless you are a programmer working on virtualization systems (and you aren't) then I know far, far more about them than you.

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    12. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by spun · · Score: 1

      Well I'm glad you got that vitriol of your chest before you realized you weren't responding to what I was saying. We aren't talking about WINE, which as we know is Not an Emulator. Mr. Dumbfuck was claiming QEMU would run games virtualized at full speed.

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    13. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Well, FFS, no, the latest and greatest games don't run in VM's - and if they do, you won't get near the performance that you'll get on hardware. I jumped on that "hyperbole" as it deserved. Anyone who believes that you CAN'T_PLAY_ANY_GAMES in a VM is full of shit - and you obviously know that.

      But, I think you'll grant that GEEKS and GAMERS are two separate groups, who overlap somewhat. The things that geeks use computers for run well in a VM. The things that gamers use computers for pretty much suck. All the REST of the computing world hardly has any idea what a VM is all about, so we can pretty much leave them out of the discussion.

      I'm the geeky type, and everything that I've ever wanted to do in a VM ran anywhere from alright to great. Those games that I really want to play, all play decently. I may fire up a few of the more advanced games, and see which run, and which don't. My kids have piles of games, some of them fairly new, so I have fodder to feed the machine. Maybe I'll find that I'm overly optimistic about what the system will do, maybe I'll find that you haven't done all the homework that you claim.

      I'll try to remember to post back when I'm done playing around. ;^)

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    14. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by spun · · Score: 1

      I don't think you needed to jump on that hyperbole, as I doubt anyone with half a brain failed to recognize it as a humorous reversal of the normal 'frames per second,' as when we say that Hummers get 10 gallons to the mile.

      I'm asking you, how do you get 3D acceleration from a VM? You don't. If your games run fine without 3D acceleration, they aren't the same games I run. I'm currently playing Fallout 3 Game of the Year edition at 1920 by 1080 resolution, it looks beautiful and the frame rate is high.

      I'd be interested to hear the results of your investigation. Having tried games with 3D acceleration under VMs, I can say, they have to use software rendering because a virtual machine can not grant direct access to the 3D hardware, and that drops your frame rates down to 1-2 frames per second for even the simplest games.

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    15. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I'll be perfectly honest - I'm not sure if I'm getting 3D acceleration or not. Those few games that I've bothered to install "ran alright". Virtual Box has (now it has, I guess it's been there for something like 6 months, maybe a bit longer) a setting to enable 3D acceleration when you create the machine. It was "experimental", that tag has been taken away now.

      So - I need to sort the kid's games, find one that specifies that it needs 3D accel, install it, and see what happens. I have to many brands in the fire to start that experiment today - and may not find time til this weekend. But, I WILL do some experimenting, and try to quantify and qualify the results.

      I don't even know when slashdot archives these discussions - maybe this one will still be open when I get it done.

      One thing that WILL NOT work on my hardware with Vbox, is that Bumptop that was discussed recently. It throws up an error related to video, and won't even try to start.

      Whatever - I'm making a note to experiment, and find out which games work, which work well, and which don't work at all.

      Talk to you later!!

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    16. Re:Have fun eating my Cock. by mcvos · · Score: 1

      In fact.. I can't think of a game that I actually want to play, that doesn't run on linux (given enough work).

      Medieval Total War 2. I've looked at the lists of games on winehq, Cedega, PlaysOnLinux, etc. Nobody got it actually working.

      I'm not saying that it is super easy to make all these work,

      That's a problem for me. I want to spend my spare time playing games, not configuring them.

      I'd love to be able to play all my games on Linux or Mac, but for the time being I've given up on it. Too much work, too much uncertainty.

  17. Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    spun: Hi, I'm a spun
    Anonymous Coward: And I'm an AC. Say, spun, whatcha doing?
    spun: Making a joke
    Anonymous Coward: Cool, can I make one?
    spun: Evidently not.

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  18. Laws of Mathmatics. by lunchlady55 · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, two times zero is still zero... /jk, keep donating folks.

  19. Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    QQ more, n00b, you got pwned.

  20. Not a Slashvertisement! by masmullin · · Score: 1

    It's not an ad. It's a discussion of the indie game house's revenues. Sure it brings people to Wolfire's site, but if the company is providing useful contributions to the game business discussion, they deserve the attention.

    NOTE: A slashvertizement would be something like "Wolfire releases new game!"

  21. My best guess by Nakor+BlueRider · · Score: 1

    Macs are generally owned by people better off financially (PCs also have the better off folks in their market of course, but probably a much greater percentage of poorer folks than Macs), so that explains their position. Perhaps Windows and Linux both have a contingent of geeks who care, but Windows has far, far more non-geeks/non-gamers than Linux, and that's where the difference there comes in? (Or maybe it's from saving the hundreds of dollars on OS and other proprietary software, but a lot of that gets pirated anyway, so that still may only apply to the less geeky half of the populace.)

    1. Re:My best guess by kramulous · · Score: 1

      Macs are generally owned by people better off financially

      Not sure I agree with that statement. I see a lot of students sporting macs. These students live at home, don't have jobs (well, not one that is required to pay for a roof, food, utilities, etc) and still have their iphones and macs. Financial irresponsibility comes to mind as well.

      I know a few that have fulltime jobs, and get the latest revision of macs (at least one every two years) but still live at home because "the baby boomer generation has priced them out of the housing market" and they need to "save money" to buy a house. Note: I don't live in the US.

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    2. Re:My best guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Macs are generally owned by people better off financially

      Not sure I agree with that statement. I see a lot of students sporting macs. These students live at home, don't have jobs (well, not one that is required to pay for a roof, food, utilities, etc) and still have their iphones and macs. Financial irresponsibility comes to mind as well.

      At a guess, I'd expect you to find that students simply have relatively high discretionary incomes. Their income is also, in general, far below its potential, so irresponsibility isn't actually as extreme as it appears at face value.

  22. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot fixed the fucking "reply" button. Stop tinkering with the live version of the website, you idiots!

    edit: I even had to click "preview" twice to be able to submit... Slashdot really is run by incompetent morons.

  23. Seriously by justinlee37 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I use Windows Vista and earlier today I got a virus while looking for porn torrents. The virus disabled taskmanager and the ability to run any other executables and flooded the screen with popups advertising fake virus software. It was easy enough to run HijackThis (after renaming it to iexplore.exe to fool the virus) to identify and delete the viral executable; I had the problem fixed in under 30 minutes.

    Windows isn't that bad when you actually know what you're doing. Problem is, most people don't. Do you think those people would do any better on Linux? I doubt it.

  24. Where are the Mac users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I forgot just like the PS3 they have nogaems.

    Also Mac users spent all their paycheck on some smug, effete computer with an exorbitant logo tax.

  25. I was cheap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just 2$. After having a look at the games, none of them really interested me. Maybe I'll never get around to play any of these games. But I really like to support this kind of stuff, even if it is with just 2 lousy dollars. Hope we are going to see more of this in the future.

  26. No need to buy Windows, Norton, or Office by tepples · · Score: 1

    Buying Windows? The trialware preinstalled on a typical home PC subsidizes that. (Otherwise, how would an Acer Aspire Revo with Windows cost as much as a retail box of Windows?) Buying Antivirus? You can use Avast on a home PC for $0. Office suite? Most people using one on a home PC* don't need Microsoft Access, so OOo will suffice.

    *If you work from home, Microsoft Office is a business expense that you can deduct if your boss doesn't already reimburse it.

  27. Not completely explained by BoppreH · · Score: 1

    After the purchase, I was asked which platforms I use. I ticked the Windows and Linux checkboxes.

    How does this get translated to the graphs? Do they count my donation twice, one for Windows and other for Linux?

  28. My View by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm from the Windows piece of the pie and I paid $10 which beats the Windows and Mac averages (if only by a little on Mac) ... the thing for me is though that I fit in a category of people that is uncountable by their statistics. That category being, well, someone who doesn't really want the games and never would have bought them for even $5 in a store as a bundle. Why did I do it you ask? Simply because I support developers such as these, people who realize that DRM is bad and that honest customers will pay for game should the real product be superior to the pirated product, as it should be. As someone who hates to see the Ubisofts and other evil overlords of game publication, I donated the $10 and specifically chose the "Developers Only" option (donating to charity is something that can easily be done outside of this offer) because I feel they DESERVE it.

    As for the Linux crowd, I presume the higher donation totals is due to many factors like less games than Windows, pirating itself being a rather Windows centric crowd, and I'd even toss in the purely speculative assumption that the average intelligence and income of a Linux user is higher (lets face it other developers and geeks/nerds primarily).

  29. Seeing as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Ubuntu has about twice the share of all other linux based desktops, combined, it would be nice to give it its own statistical category like mac. You don't just throw mac and 'linux' together as 'unix'. I'm tired of developers thinking they have to target multiple linux desktops with their coding and packaging. If you put out one single file, it should be a .deb.

    1. Re:Seeing as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm tired of developers thinking they have to target multiple linux desktops with their coding and packaging.

      I'm tired of developers thinking they have to target multiple operating systems with their coding and packaging. If you put out one single file, it should be a .exe.

  30. For goodness sake, don't point out facts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all know games will run on Linux acceptably well with either WINE, Transgaming WineX/Cedega, or Codeweaver's Wine. Don't point that out, because they have a quota to say enough false about Linux for one day. Talk about something else. Talk about him eating my cock, feeding my pecker directly into his STDin and filling his gullet with my black worm jizz. Go on, drink it! Drink it down, send in MC Hammer on your way out.

  31. My wife and I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Goofy survey to start with. And easily skewed.

    Including my wife and I alone in the survey (Windows and iMac users at home - FreeBSD for work) would have probably tilted the scale the other direction.

    Pointless survey and article unless you are a fan boy or flamer.

    1. Re:My wife and I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would you have "tilted" the survey? They ask you which operating system you intend to play the games on after you order.

  32. If it is accurate by h00manist · · Score: 1

    If correct, these stats could be interesting, and worth investigating more. They could also be a bundle of meaningless misleading numbers, as many are. However, I would say the developers themselves will, in their sales history numbers, have much more data, which will show more relevant results.

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  33. Skewed Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the top ten donations list in the little stats box. According to that, somebody paid $1000 and two more people paid $500. If all three of those were Linux users, I can see why their average would be higher. Especially since the rest of the donations are under $300, and probably very few are even over $100.

  34. What? by merockstar · · Score: 1

    Donate to what? What on earth are you people talking about? I'm so confused. Why would any clear thinking individual ever donate money to Microsoft? I even went and read TFA, and I STILL have no idea what we're donating to... Now maybe I've been living under a tech rock or something, but can we get some context please?

    1. Re:What? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Somebody found an obscure and meaningless way to show Linux is better than Windows. The context is Slashdot where anything pro-Linux and anti-Windows is automatically "stuff that matters", even if it doesn't.

    2. Re:What? by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 0

      I fully agree. It seems every time I start thinking about trying out Linux I see some stupid Linux fan-boy masturbatory rant on how Linux rocks and windows users lick donkey cock.
      This whole thing is meaningless. Its set up very poorly and there are holes big enough to park a truck in it.
      Anytime I hear about Linux its as if the majority of the Linux user base gathered up and asked "How can we be perceived as total elitist douche bags today ?"

      1. Proclaim Linux the greatest OS of all time in response to an article (even if the article is about planting tomatoes)

      2. Talk crap about Windows and insult Windows users in response to an article (even if windows was never even mentioned in the article)

      3. If anyone points out anything wrong with Linux treat them like they are as stupid as bat-shit (even though they may be right or even if its just because they dont understand Linux.)

      4. Make sure to point out how great the Linux community is at helping each other (throw in a smirky or completely insulting comment about windows users in general) Make sure not to give out any real help if asked for it

      5. ??????

      6. Profit.

  35. No seriously by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 3, Funny

    why is it rude?

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  36. Depends ... by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    In a sense it's no so much regular donating (as in simply giving money for a good cause) as appreciating something which is given to you for free and paying an amount you see fit.

    For example I like to download free audio book episodes through www.podiobooks.com. They have a feature where you can donate money in relation to a specific show.
    The majority of that money goes to the author/creator of said show and the rest to the site which provides the service. That way you can give money to the people who decided to share what they created for free and at the same time support the upkeep of the free service which made it posssible for the creators to share it with you.

  37. Also seen with 2D Boy / World of Goo by Trelane · · Score: 1

    This was also seen (perhaps inspired by?) 2D Boy and World of Goo. The wrapup page is http://2dboy.com/page/4/

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  38. Another Wolfire marketing gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wolfire makes it to Slashdot AGAIN with a poorly disguised PR campaign...

  39. Windows has drained their wallets by apexwm · · Score: 1

    Windows users are forced to buy and re-buy software. No wonder they don't have anything left! Thankfully us Linux users can keep our wallets tucked away, far from Steve Ballmer.