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Geostationary GPS Satellite Galaxy 15 Out of Control

Bruce Perens writes "The Galaxy 15 commercial satellite has not responded to commands since solar flares fried its CPU in April, and it won't turn off. Intelsat controllers moved all commercial payloads to other birds except for WAAS, a system that adds accuracy to GPS for landing aircraft and finding wayward geocaches. Since the satellite runs in 'bent pipe' mode, amplifying wide bands of RF that are beamed up to it, it is likely to interfere with other satellites as it crosses their orbital slots on its way to an earth-sun Lagrange point, the natural final destination of a geostationary satellite without maneuvering power." (More below.) Bruce continues: "The only payload that is still deliberately active on the satellite is its WAAS repeater. An attempt to overload the satellite and shut it down on May 3 caused a Notice to Airmen regarding the unavailability of WAAS for an hour. Unsaid is what will happen to WAAS, and for how long, when the satellite eventually loses its sun-pointing capability, expected later this year, and stops repeating the GPS correction signal. Other satellites can be moved into Galaxy 15's orbital slot, but it is yet unannounced whether the candidates bear the WAAS payload."

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  1. Bastard by oldhack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nuke the rogue satellite in the orbit.

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  2. The only way by Evelas · · Score: 5, Funny

    but it's the only way to be sure!

  3. I know I've made some very poor decisions recently by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Funny

    After sending between 150,000 and 200,000 commands to the satellite to coax it back into service, Intelsat was forced to scrap its satellite-recovery efforts and to resort, on Monday, to a limited-duration effort to force the satellite to shut down its transponders. This was to be accomplished by sending a stronger series of signals designed to cause Galaxy 15's power system to malfunction and force a shutdown of the satellite's payload. That attempt, which Luxembourg-based, Washington-headquartered Intelsat had viewed as its last, best-understood option for Galaxy 15, was unsuccessful.
    The last message from the satellite was "I'm sorry, Intelsat. I'm afraid I can't do that."

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  4. Re:Where'd my cable channels go? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And nothing of value was lost.

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  5. Not necessarily... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 1998, Galaxy IV blew out, which controlled commercial communications for a metric assload of services (including my former employer's dealership communications network, FordStar). I (and every other remote admin) got a $50 bounty per dish that we hurriedly re-pointed to a different satellite. Cleaned the whole thing up across the global network (four continents) in less than three weeks.

    I'm fairly sure that cable TV, which has more sats on tap and relatively less dishes to re-position (and nobody has to crawl on top of a zillion roofs with a wrench and a compass in hand), could likely recover in very short order - probably hours.

    That said, there's always the danger of a chain reaction (after all, there's a LOT of satellites in geosync orbit) - if not at this time, then certainly in the coming future, as the numbers continue to increase.

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    1. Re:Not necessarily... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Thing is... that 1998 event left several lesser-known cable channels holding the back as bigger-money former Galaxy IV customers used their pre-empt rights on the other birds to keep themselves on the air. A natural supply/demand price increase situation arose from this.

      The SkyTel service never recovered. Customers of that service were migrated to cellular-based pagers.

    2. Re:Not necessarily... by shoehornjob · · Score: 5, Funny

      cellular-based pagers

      PAGERS???? What the hell is a pager?

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    3. Re:Not necessarily... by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a thing people used to wear on their belts after onions went out of fashion.

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  6. Re:Where'd my cable channels go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    no thats just comcast service as usual.

  7. Re:Target practice? by thms · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too high.

    The recent anti-sat missiles which China and the USA tested just took out satellites which were in low earth orbit, 400km max. This satellite is in a geosynchronous orbit, which is about 36,000 km high (and for reference, the moon is 380,000 km away, so a moon-earth Lagrange point would make a little more sense).

    And these anti-sat missiles don't even have to reach a 400 km orbit, an epileptic orbit which would intersect with earth again (but happens to intersect with another satellite first) is sufficient, that is why they could be launched from a warship. Not that taking down a geostationary sat would be impossible - since they don't zip overhead with 25,000 km/h it could actually be easier, but these weapons are not build for it and would need another booster base.

  8. Re:Title is wrong, not GPS by mpoulton · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a commercial communications satellite that hasnothing to do with the Global Positioning System

    It is not a GPS satellite, in that it is not part of the constellation of satellites that provide position reference. However, as TFA and the other links say, this satellite is one of only two that operate the Wide Area Augmentation System. WAAS uses ground-based GPS receiving stations with known positions to generate a correction signal which increases the accuracy of GPS position fixes to less than 25ft within North America and surrounding areas. Without WAAS, plain GPS can have error in the hundreds of feet. Without the accuracy provided by WAAS, GPS navigation cannot be used for instrument flight approaches - one of the most critical, important, and common uses of GPS today. If this satellite fails, the WAAS system will remain operational throughout most of its original coverage area - but will almost certainly fall outside the reliability limits required for instrument flight certification. It will be a very serious problem for many commercial users of GPS, and possibly for some military applications as well.

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  9. Re:Target practice? by Khyber · · Score: 5, Funny

    "epileptic orbit"

    I'd love to see an orbit do that!

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  10. A funnel by falken0905 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps they can launch and rendezvous a 100 ton steel 'funnel' and fit it over the satellite thus preventing it from spewing tons of satellite pollution toward earth. In fact, such a device has already been built and is currently not being used. Bonus, it's currently located not all that far from Cape Canaveral and transport ships are located nearby.

    1. Re:A funnel by glwtta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thank you for the detailed explanation of why we can't fix a malfunctioning satellite by capping it with a 100 ton steel funnel.

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  11. Light pressure by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Light doesn't just illuminate something. It has pressure. If you illuminate a satellite from the proper angle with less than the energy required to blow it apart, for long enough, you can change its orbit.

    1. Re:Light pressure by mmontour · · Score: 5, Informative

      Really... massless particles can create pressure now?

      Yes. Photons carry momentum despite having zero rest mass.

    2. Re:Light pressure by The+Hatchet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Light actually does have a pressure. It is incredibly small, but in enormous quantities (like the sun or lasers) it can be quite powerful. I believe something like Intensity / c is radiation pressure formula. Not sure though. But it definitely has pressure, without radiation pressure our creation of Bose Einstein condensates would totally fail. Photons may not have rest mass, but they have some momentum because matter is just a form of energy. E.^2=M.^2.*c.^4 Its not much, but enough of it has measurable effects. A good part of the time the pressure is converted to heat (like on earth, or in our metal cutting lasers).

      Uh, YES. Reality is a fantastic thing, i would suggest learning more about it, it is an enriching experience. Or you could just go on being a dumb-ass making the world a harder place to live in because people that know things have to sit around and explain things to you like a five year old, or just accept you people attempting to influence the world around you without understanding the possible consequences of your actions.

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    3. Re:Light pressure by frieko · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heh, you're wrong AND you're an asshole. Good job.

  12. Re:Target practice? by Thaddeaus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot?



    (I kid, I kid)

  13. Re:I know I've made some very poor decisions recen by Dragoniz3r · · Score: 5, Funny

    You underestimate the power of sudo.

  14. Re:Not Sun-Earth Lagrange points by jfields026 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It has something to do with the mass of the Earth. These points line up pretty well with the Rocky Mountains and the Himalayas. These areas are known as gravity wells and all Geo satellites try to drift there. As operational satellites drift, they are command back into their orbital slot by their operators. Some satellite operators will purposely position their satellites at the wells as there is less fuel required to keep them in their orbital. Dead satellites drift towards the closet well, slingshot past them, and then come back. Occasionally they will swing back and forth between the two wells. It takes several months to swing back and forth. The satellites also gain inclination over time (15 years) before they hit a certain orbital point and then their inclination drifts back down to zero, and repeat. The inclination drift is said to be due to the Moon, however, it's tied the the satellites Right Ascension of the Ascending Node (RAAN), something that's independent of the Moon. Regardless, over time these satellites that die on the "Geo-belt" only really cross the operational satellites twice a day because of their inclination. US law requires satellite operators to dispose of their GEO satellites into a graveyard orbit before they die, but you can't really do that when it stops responding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_orbit

  15. Re:Where'd my cable channels go? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you kidding? Imagine this happening during the last episode of Lost.. It would make the Rodney King riots look like a day at the beach...

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  16. Re:Double Bastard by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Duhh, nuke the debris with a second one. ;-)

  17. Re:Where'd my cable channels go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unless this is PART of the last episode of Lost...MAN they're good!