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Telecom Plan To Take Over the Internet Isn't Real

wiredog writes "The Telcos' Secret Anti-Net Neutrality Strategy is actually a student project. The 'No Net Brutality' campaign idea was one of the four finalists created as an assignment for a two-and-a-half week 'think tank MBA' program. The other finalists were a project promoting free speech in Venezuela, one supporting education reform in Poland, and one dealing with sales tax rates in Washington, DC. ('No Net Brutality' came in third. The Polish reform idea won.)"

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  1. Um by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a BUNCH of really interesting, truly nerdy stories in the firehouse...why does crap like this always find a way through?

    1. Re:Um by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What they really want is to find the actual conspiracy theory, and stop it.

      But there are too many, so it's ideal camouflage.

  2. Of course it wasn't real. by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was a kdawson story. Duh.

    Seriously though, if you thought that was real, your BS detector is broken.

    That it not to say that it could not have been real, but you should not have believed it without independent verification.

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    1. Re:Of course it wasn't real. by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously though, if you thought that was real, your BS detector is broken.

      Actually, the fact that I thought it was real just shows how sad and pathetic the state of affairs in our country has become.

      Stuff like this happens all the time, so to sit there and say "You're stupid for buying this" is either incredibly egotistical or incredibly hind-sighted, one or both.

      IOW, well played, sir, well played.

      It has been 1 minute since I last posted. I'll go play in traffic now since I can't make my post right now. Thanks, bye /., bye cruel, cruel /.

      Is this the part of the show where I make a NOCARRIER joke?

      No? Da...NOCARRIER

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  3. ThinkProgress responds by Sarcileptic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Think Progress has updated their site, standing behind the news that "No Net Brutality" was influenced by industry/lobbyists.

    1. Re:ThinkProgress responds by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really surprising. It IS ThinkProgress after all.

      I vote for them as "Most ironically named website of all time."

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    2. Re:ThinkProgress responds by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The contest in question was *funded* by lobbyists.

  4. Good Slogan... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fake or not, it leads to a decent enough slogan which we really haven't had yet:

    Support Net Neutrality - Not Net Brutality.

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  5. Response by azurex120 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Think Progress posted their own response to CNET's claims. Don't know Whose true http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/11/netneutrality-grover-afp/

  6. Doesn't anyone remember when this started? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doesn't anyone remember when this first started? We had everyone from the ACLU to the Christian Coalition jumping up and down and saying that the plan by major ISPs and telcos to hijack big web pages unless they were paid not to was flat-out intolerable. We were united.

    Then came the lobbyists.

    They started with the question, "What are you going to do about it?" And then we got split into market-based solutions (boycotts) and regulation, with neither side seeing eye-to-eye. Next, they tried to redefine "Net Neutrality." When we made it, what we meant by it was, "Don't hijack our web pages!" But they said "Neutrality? They want some kind of Communist equality! We can't use QoS any more or make our networks better!" And now, most people think in terms of their version of "Net Neutrality." They assume it's like the Fairness Doctrine and that it means the government would regulate the content of web pages or some other crap.

    Doesn't anyone else remember when this started? Before the lobbyists split this into a conservative/liberal issue? Back when we all agreed that having ISPs hijack popular websites unless bribed not to was a terrible thing?

    Because I do. And I feel like the only one.

    1. Re:Doesn't anyone remember when this started? by brkello · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This post is better than the article. Slashdot should just directly link to this post. Net Neutrality is something all Slashdot should just agree on.

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    2. Re:Doesn't anyone remember when this started? by dgreer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I completely remember this debate. And my feelings haven't changed from that day to this: If you let the Government get involved in this issue, in ANY way, you will live to regret it.

      What TWC and Verizon (the instigators of that roe as I recall) wanted to do was to charge large content providers (Google, Time, CNN, etc.) to have "priority" throughput on their networks. If they didn't pay, they'd be given a lower QoS and therefore, because of the number of requests to their servers, they would effectively be throttled.

      What I pointed out all those years ago (with many years experience RUNNING an ISP) was that if you get the government involved, it will give them an avenue to moderate the Internet for political reasons. Further more, all the "kiddies" at that time were bitching about how Torrent, etc. was being throttled by Joe's Wireless company or some such, and they just couldn't understand the difference between what TWC/Verizon were doing and what Joe was doing trying to maintain a basic QoS on his limited bandwidth network.

      In the end, it appears that two things have happened: The kiddies have drowned out the voices of people who actually have a clue, and the politicians have heard their cries and have come running.

      "We're from the government, and we're here to help." -shiver-

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    3. Re:Doesn't anyone remember when this started? by Manchot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was something all Slashdot agreed on until the Obama administration started pushing for it.

    4. Re:Doesn't anyone remember when this started? by syrinx · · Score: 2, Funny

      I completely remember this debate. And my feelings haven't changed from that day to this: If you let the Government get involved in this issue, in ANY way, you will live to regret it.

      What TWC and Verizon (the instigators of that roe as I recall) wanted to do was to charge large content providers (Google, Time, CNN, etc.) to have "priority" throughput on their networks. If they didn't pay, they'd be given a lower QoS and therefore, because of the number of requests to their servers, they would effectively be throttled.

      What I pointed out all those years ago (with many years experience RUNNING an ISP) was that if you get the government involved, it will give them an avenue to moderate the Internet for political reasons. Further more, all the "kiddies" at that time were bitching about how Torrent, etc. was being throttled by Joe's Wireless company or some such, and they just couldn't understand the difference between what TWC/Verizon were doing and what Joe was doing trying to maintain a basic QoS on his limited bandwidth network.

      In the end, it appears that two things have happened: The kiddies have drowned out the voices of people who actually have a clue, and the politicians have heard their cries and have come running.

      "We're from the government, and we're here to help." -shiver-

      Yes, *this*.

      (Quoting your entire post since someone seems to have modded you down for contradicting the groupthink.)

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  7. Yeah right... by Faw · · Score: 2, Informative

    that's exactly what THEY(1) want us to believe.

    (1) Replace with favorite conspiracy group (Illuminati, aliens, The Man,...)

  8. Oh, Declan, you reactionary libertarian whore by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "Think Tank MBA" contest is not affiliated with any school or MBA program, but is run by a right-wing advocacy organization. The contestant in question is not even a student, but is an employee of another right-wing advocacy organization.

    To think, I used to read that moron's old blog. I guess I've grown up since then.

    1. Re:Oh, Declan, you reactionary libertarian whore by ScrumHalf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really wishing I had mod points right now. Seriously, this is the truth of the matter, and it is missing in the story post. Then again, I hope this story of this hoax is a hoax of a hoax doesn't run tomorrow and generate them even more traffic.

  9. Re:Nice cover story. by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, this powerpoint wasn't really from us, therefore it is not possible that we independently going to carry out that beautifully crafted plan to achieve the goal of getting rid of net neutrality. In fact, that's not even our goal, never has been. And you know it was never our goal because we didn't make that powerpoint presentation.

    Incidentally, can we borrow this fake powerpoint presentation for our next secret strategy meeting? You know, as an example of powerpoint presentations that DO NOT reflect our plans?

  10. I suggest a renaming by simonbp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To "The Center for American Progress in Never Admitting That We Made a Silly Mistake Because Everything Bad Is The Fault of Lobbyists Who Are Not Us".

    I'd make one heck of business card...

  11. Re:Nice cover story. by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Informative

    So this was a grassroots Astro-Astroturfing?

    Wow mindblowing.

    This was a "weather balloon". The *IAA posse is still behind this. If I was going to try something like this I would have students try it first.

    BTW, netbrutatlity.com was registered by freedomworks.org, which sure doesn't look like a student project.

  12. Whew... by divisionbyzero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As I said yesterday the content was laughably stupid. I actually was thinking that Think Progress had created it.

  13. Gullible? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, the fact that I thought it was real just shows how sad and pathetic the state of affairs in our country has become.

    No, it shows how gullible you and other 20-somethings are to believe whatever you read on the Web. Critical thinking is no longer in vogue, the "truth" is whatever the Slashdot Group Think and Twitter / Digg / Whatever pipe to you. Blogs have to be more accurate than "real" news sources, right?

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  14. Re:Nice cover story. by joocemann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nothing to see here, move along.

    Yeah... wait.. no? I totally didn't go to www.nonetbrutality.com and I totally didn't see that this was 'just a powerpoint project'.

    I'm curious why a project like this would be so involved that the student would pay for a domain name and hosting, and then (yes, i'm telling you to go to the site right now) do everything as legitimately as possible without mention of it being a project.

    I'm not saying it was/was-not done by the telecoms. But the site is real, and its intentions/purposes appear real as well.

  15. Re:Sounds feasible by Eskarel · · Score: 2, Funny

    To get into most MBA programs you have to have worked for at least 3 years after you got your undergrad degree, generally doing something that's not flipping burgers. Given the program is generally 2 years and these guys are graduating and that the average US college student graduates at the age of 22, that would put these guys at 27 or so. Not exactly your typical beer and video games before anything crowd.