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Google Stops Selling Its Own Phone

Dave Knott notes that Google has announced it will close its online cell phone store and no longer sell the Nexus One smartphone directly to consumers. "While the global adoption of the Android platform has exceeded our expectations, the web store has not," wrote Andy Rubin, a Google vice president of engineering, on the official company blog. "It's remained a niche channel for early adopters, but it's clear that many customers like a hands-on experience before buying a phone, and they also want a wide range of service plans to chose from." From the Globe and Mail article: "At least one aspect of Google's attempt to disrupt the world of mobile communications — selling phones directly to customers — has failed. ... [T]he decision to design and sell the Nexus One was perhaps more potentially disruptive for carriers. ... Google plans to continue marketing the Nexus One through 'existing retail channels, essentially partnering with carriers around the world. The Nexus One web store, meanwhile, will essentially become a marketing portal 'to showcase a variety of Android phones available globally.'"

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  1. It never should have sold one in the first place by dougluce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Qualcomm, Motorola, and others learned this for them already. If you've got something amazing to provide to the cell phone value stream, keep away from competing with those you are helping.

  2. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by UNHOLYwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I give them credit for trying to have their cake and eat it too... but as we all know, the cake is a lie.

  3. Nice try by jlechem · · Score: 4, Informative

    But after looking at buying a Nexus One there were 2 primary options. Bend over and pay full price or bend over to T-Mobile and pay their price and lock in. And they only had two plans that were complete shit. I support as many new phones as possible but this wasn't priced well and the plan options they did offer just plain sucked.

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    1. Re:Nice try by yincrash · · Score: 4, Informative

      if you pay full price, you could get $20 / month off the t-mobile plans for people who are not on 2 year contracts, that worked out to be less than getting the 2 year plan over 2 years. i think they didn't advertise that well enough.

    2. Re:Nice try by jlechem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it's just me but I see paying over 500 dollars for a cell phone no matter how cool, bending over. I would never buy an iPhone for the same reason.

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    3. Re:Nice try by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't subsidized smart phone plans generally cost $90 or more? I bought the unlocked Nexus One for $530, and got an unlimited data/unlimited texting /500 minutes with unlimited nights and weekends plan with T-Mobile for $60 a month. At a savings of $30 a month i'll have covered the difference between the full cost and the subsidized cost in a year.

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    4. Re:Nice try by amorsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe it's just me but I see paying over 500 dollars for a cell phone no matter how cool, bending over.

      Hence why most cell phones are leased, not sold (although that word isn't used, of course).

      I still don't see the bending over bit. The cell phone costs a certain amount to produce, and the manufacturer asks that plus a reasonable profit. Sure there are cases where the manufacturing costs are less than half of the consumer price, but AFAIK Google One isn't one of those.

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    5. Re:Nice try by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      my iphone is $70 a month with all my taxes(I have an older plan that i talked the guy into letting me keep, so i just added data)

      So you save $10 a month over me, or $240 over two years. I paid $300 for my phone so $540 plus the contract rate.

      You saved how much over my iphone? none, zip, zilch. not to mention you didn't taxes onto your rate only the stated price. So we are equal and i got a phone that can actually use AT&T's 3G service and not stuck on dial up speeds of t-mobile.

      (note AT&T 3G's service is highly variable then again so is verizon's, and yes I have compared the two we did some wandering tests at my company over 600 sq miles of area In the end AT&T won roughly equal service area and speeds and AT&T came in at 40% less a year in savings.

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    6. Re:Nice try by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are sold on contract. That is not a lease. With a lease, the phone company could expect to get something of value back from the customer, not a well used, obsolete phone.

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    7. Re:Nice try by mrops · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats because you are looking for a phone.

      Nexus One is in the category I like calling "Also a phone".

      If you want a phone go look for a Nokia 6120 or something. Mind you 6120 is more than phone too.

      With data usage on these mobile devices becoming more and more common, these things are more of an internet tablet with voice capability (vs the other way round).

    8. Re:Nice try by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As other people have pointed out, i am not you. In fact, _most_ people are not you. I don't have access to some special $70 a month plan from AT&T. If i wanted an iPhone the comparable plan would cost me $90 a month. So _i_ am saving $30 a month over the subsidized alternative, and that math is the same for most other people looking into getting a new smartphone.

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  4. The carriers have won. by jacks+smirking+reven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They've got the majority of America buying into the subsidy/contract system. The advantages of dropping $500 upfront on a phone aren't obvious to the layman phone buyer. Not when they get get an iPhone for $199 (despite the savings over time of going off contract).

    People here know the advantages (and a few here probably bought the N1 from Google) but I think that mindset is going to be hard to change without a drastic drop in the initial cost of the hardware.

    1. Re:The carriers have won. by cervo · · Score: 2, Informative

      For ATT there are no savings. And you can't port the ATT phone to T-Mobile and still get 3G. And Verizon/Sprint use a different technology.

      For ATT you are always subsidizing a phone, there is no cheaper price for no contract. So by not having a phone you are throwing the subsidy dollars to waste. The only thing I can think of is finding the most subsidized phone, selling it on e-bay and then using the proceeds to buy the nexus one (in effect subsidizing one). T-Mobile does offer a discount for no contract so there it seems to make more economic sense to buy the Nexus unlocked and then save the money each month. After two years you will be ahead, and if you keep it longer then you make the phone an even better value.....

    2. Re:The carriers have won. by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I ran the country (and I really think I should), carriers would not be allowed to bundle the phones. They can sell them with a monthly payment, but it must be separate from the cost of the plan, and in no way affect it. Bundling phones and locking people into long term plans discourages competition in a huge way. I'd like to see the carriers fighting for my business on a monthly basis, not every 2 or 3 years.

    3. Re:The carriers have won. by teg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I ran the country (and I really think I should), carriers would not be allowed to bundle the phones.

      Norway has a mobile market that works a lot better than the US, and here are a couple of key reasons why:

      • One common standard - GSM. This ensures competition, because a phone is compatible with all mobile operators. Thus, you get plans with and without subsidies ("bring your own phone"). In the US, you have different standards which makes switching operators harder
      • After the carrier subsidy period is over, they are mandated by law to unlock your phone if you ask. The phone is yours, you paid for it.
      • For consumers, the maximum contract length is 12 months. For businesses, 24 months. This typically means that the monthly rate go down after this period, as you could unlock it and leave otherwise
      • There also has to be a possibility for the customer to terminate this contract earlier, by paying a prorated fee.
      • You have plenty of Mobile Virtual Network Operators, which increases the competition. As a condition of using a limited, public resource the mobile network operators have to accommodate them.

      Competition is good, but sometimes you need to regulate to ensure a free market.

    4. Re:The carriers have won. by mlts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another advantage of one standard for phones: No need to have so many radio bands allocated. GSM has one band. AT&T'3 3G has another, T-Mobile's has another, CDMA has theirs. WiMax has one, same with LTE, and iDen. Having one standard means that a lot of the bands can be freed up for other uses.

      You also have the ability for companies to share towers. This is what T-Mobile and AT&T did, pre-3G. This way, each phone company didn't have to have their own tower in each space for coverage, but could just lease from another provider.

  5. Obligatory Blade Runner Reference by morari · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google has announced that it will close its online cell phone store and no longer sell the Nexus One smart phone directly to consumers.

    This was not called execution. It was called retirement.

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  6. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bosh. I paid for my Nexus One outright, and I probably wouldn't have even looked at it if I had to stop in at one of the phone stores. Those places are sleazy.

    T-Mobile has month-by-month rates. A little more pricy, sure, but you are able to switch carriers at any time. Works for me.

    It's unfortunate that Google is throwing in the towel so quickly. They're spending fortunes on ads, right now, they must have the money to spare. I don't think they've considered what they're doing.

    But I do love my Android phone. It could stand minor hardware tweaking. The software resources are phenomenal.

  7. Re:While android is leading iphone by the_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cellphone vendors will also be far happier to use Android if Google is not competing with them.

  8. Re:While android is leading iphone by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, this is the real reason that Google is stopping sales. The carriers want to feel important. People will still end up using the phone on T-Mobile most of the time, so this will affect few people to any significant degree.

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  9. Someone needs a history lesson by cybereal · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure which revisionist idiot informed the general OSS/Google fanboy world that selling unlocked phones directly to consumers was somehow innovating. Nokia has been doing this for years. I bought my last Nokia phone, the E70, well before even the iPhone was out directly via Nokia's website. You can still buy many Nokia products this way, including the venerable N900.

    The prices may not always be the very best you can find but at least they are a trusted source.

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  10. Doesn't surprise me by alvinrod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Compared to the Droid, the sales weren't all that great and they do raise the excellent point that many people want to be able to hold it before they commit to the purchase. Also, there are several other Android phones (e.g. Droid Incredible) that have been described as better than the Nexus One and available on a wider range of carriers. By the end of the summer, the Nexus One won't be state of the art as far as Android phones go so there's no real reason for them to continue selling it.

    I imagine that they're working on a Nexus Two, so they'll eventually replace it with something else. Hopefully they get the customer service bugs worked out next time around, as that may be one of the potential reasons the device didn't sell as well as I expected it to sell.

    1. Re:Doesn't surprise me by donatzsky · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may want to read the announcement again.
      Actually they are going to keep selling it - just not directly, but through resellers. In fact it's scheduled to be released across Europe, through Vodafone, sometime soon.

      Rumour has it that the Nexus Two is going to be a slider, made by Motorola, in the style of the Milestone/Droid.

    2. Re:Doesn't surprise me by mlts · · Score: 2, Informative

      I will give a concrete example of this: Motorola's CLIQ. It has fastboot disabled, and its initial root was done by a RAMDLD exploit. About a month later, it had an OTA radio ROM update. What happened is, if you had a custom ROM on your Cliq and that update went through, you would end up with an inoperable device until you flashed a factory stock .SHX file onto your phone. Of course, guess what? The RAMDLD exploit was fixed, and the phone was made unrootable. Source: modmymoto.com's CLIQ forums.

      Unrootable, until an European carrier had their version of the CLIQ ROM which happened to ship with ro.secure set to 0. This meant you could flash a custom recovery module via adb, then reflash a custom ROM as part of the root process.

      Even HTC has had reports of this (IIRC). Some of their models, if you go to xda-developers, the ROM makers have noticed that some of the filesystems cannot be remounted read-write, even with root.

      The Milestone from Motorola also appears unflashable with a custom ROM: http://androidforums.com/motorola-milestone/44177-motorola-locks-milestone.html

      This is what we don't want. We don't want supposedly open devices which in reality are locked down in subtle ways. This is why that my next phone is going to be a phone that doesn't use hidden signatures, disabled fastboot ROM, or other items to prevent rooting or modding with custom ROMS.

  11. Re:Google never stopped selling it's own phone... by catbutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although you could say the same about the iPhone and Apple, since FoxConn manufactures that (and lots of other companies make the various components).

    Google had significant design and engineering input into Nexxus One -- probably not as much as Apple has over iPhone, but still. Many if not most American tech companies outsource their manufacturing. If Google determines the specs and puts its brand on Nexxus One, in many senses that makes it "it's own" phone.

  12. This is why by Gunegune · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Brick and Mortar" stores aren't going anywhere anytime soon. While there are many people who make almost all their purchases from online retailers, I find that most people would rather go to a B&M store for a purchase.

    All of my friends and relatives make their purchases at B&M stores because they don't have to wait or pay for shipping, they can physically "preview" their purchase, they can pay in cash instead of a paying with a credit/debit card, and it's far easier to make a return on an item. The only reason I've known them to make an online purchase is for a SIGNIFICANT discount (books, hardware, etc.), though, many B&M stores have become very competitive with online retailers.

    NOTE: I am referring to the purchase of physical items in my comment. Most of my friends make software purchases online (i.e. Steam).

  13. Methof of sale a failure, Android is not by lanner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I it may be that their method of sale/distribution did not succeeded, the phone itself, and Android as an OS, is great. I've never owned a better phone.

    There has been a lot of whining and griefing about the phone itself. I have no idea WTF all the complaints are about. I get great data and voice coverage (I hear TMobile isn't the best, but it satisfies me), and the only bug I've ever had is that the ringer sound will stop working about once a month -- I have to reboot.

  14. Not limited to Nexus One by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've never seen a nexus in the wild.

    It's not limited to Nexus One. I haven't seen a Maemo/MeeGo phone in the wild either. Today, to prove a point, I walked into three different local stores and asked to try a Nokia N900 phone. None of them had one. Is this commonplace for geek-friendly phones?

    1. Re:Not limited to Nexus One by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even in Finland there aren't too many Nokia N900s to be seen. I've seen iPhones all the time, and Nokia's lesser (Symbian-based) phones, but the company doesn't seem to know how or even if to market the N900. I played with one in a shop and liked it, and it's the only one of the current smartphones that would give me the hacking environment and freedom that I want, but with Maemo being phased out for something called MeeGo that might not even run on the N900, I'm too nervous that this phone is at something of a deadend support-wise. I'm holding out to see what Nokia's MeeGo device looks like.

  15. Even More Plus by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wait, what savings do you get over time from going off contract?

    Unlike AT&T, T-Mobile has a discount if you buy your phone up front.

  16. Try before buy by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can still buy many Nokia products this way, including the venerable N900.

    But where can I try an N900? I walked into three different stores today and none of them had one. Given the price of return shipping and restocking fees, I prefer to try the display, keypad/touch screen, and hand feel of a phone before I spend over $500 for one.

  17. The consumer had lost by notjustchalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is really too bad. Up here in Canada, we're stuck with disgusting 3 year contracts (the 2 year ones have hardly any discount) with egregious profiteering (world's highest text msg prices for instance) and a culture of neglect after you've bought a phone from our oligopoly of carriers. The N1, expensive as it was, really was the best option for a good, unlocked, and free (as in freedom) smartphone. Any Android you get up here will assuredly be abandoned by the carriers - after all, new firmware means less sales according to the carrier. It really meant that the only consistently upgrade friendly Android phone was the N1.

    Where I think Google failed was in not offering more choice like a certain fruit-labelled, obsessed-with-lock-in software maker. After all ~$500 for a phone, cheap though it may be over the long run, is a psychologically difficult barrier to overcome. I do believe, however, that having a few options that were cheaper (with appropriately pared down features) could have made it a more profitable venture. Sadly, I would have bought an N1 in the near future, but now it looks like I'll be sticking with my dumbphone.

    Furthermore, trusting people to make buying decisions on long term fiscal calculations (without any assistance), might have been ambitious in retrospect. Maybe putting a cost calculator on the N1 website might have helped?

  18. Not a failure in one aspect: Unlocked by Rog7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a high-profile unlocked phone, the Nexus One has seemed to have had an effect on carriers here in Canada.

    Bell, Telus and Rogers have all been friendly about just putting a SIM card into the Nexus One and using it. I don't know if it's been an official policy at these carriers or not, but previously getting an unlocked phone onto anything but prepaid has been a pain, I was often met with resistance at the stores ("Oh no, you can't do that").

    Now, even with other unlocked phones, the stores have been a lot more receptive about getting you on their network.

    It may not have sold in spectacular numbers and many consumers have no clue it exists, but the reps in the stores know this phone very well.

    1. Re:Not a failure in one aspect: Unlocked by Timmmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's GSM you don't need your network's approval to use an unlocked phone. At least, not in any sane country.

  19. Opening to other markets would have helped? by dindi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, maybe if most people would not have gotten the "not available in your country or region", most people would have ordered online. I wanted one, and I am happy I did not: I tried a colleague's Nexus one, and found to phone to be ... well .. not satisfactory...

    While Android is a cool thing, after an iPhone all HTC phones feel like cheap plasticky toys. And do not even get me started on the touch screen.

    I am in the search for a 850Mhz HSDPA Android phone for some time and haven't found a unit that even remotely challenges the iPhone's quality. Maybe when idroidproject advances a little I can have my 2G running Android....

  20. Re:While android is leading iphone by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    yes, this was the phone Google wanted HTC to make and most likely the phone they wanted others to make. Before the N1, all the other Android phones were underpowered ~600MHz ARM9 based instead of using any of the other ARM Cortex a8 chips which were available. It seemed to me that Google wanted to up the ante for what it meant to be an Android phone and from the number of kick butt Android phones on the market, the N1 did was it would appear it was supposed to do.

    Apple will have to leapfrog what the N1 and others put out there and it's all good. It would have been nice if customers took to purchasing the N1 off contract to put pressure on the carriers to provide more options but we can't have it all at once.

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  21. Re:While android is leading iphone by beakerMeep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With T-mobile you can get a cheaper plan if you buy the phone outright, but your point holds true with the AT&T version of the phone I think.

    If you buy the phone outright, you pay $50/month, if you buy it subsidized with a 2 year contract it's $80/month.

    $80*24 = $1920 Buy phone outright: $529 Buy subsidized phone: $179 So if you spend $350 more now, you save $1920 later for a net gain of $1570.

    It's the dirty little secret of the wireless industry. They are subsidizing the phone by loaning you $350 for which you you pay them back over 5 times as much over 2 years. It's usury, and it should be illegal.

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  22. Re:While android is leading iphone by beakerMeep · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whoops math fail. Forgot to account for the difference. It should read 30*24 = 720, so you are paying $350 up front for $720 in savings.

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  23. Re:The 'unlocked' price was too high... by Totenglocke · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, due to the reduced monthly fee with T-Mobile if you bought the phone unlocked, after 2 years savings the phone would cost around $55 - so about $145 LESS than if you bought the phone subsidized by a 2-year contract. The real reason for the "failure" you speak of is that the overwhelming majority of Americans suck at math.

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  24. Re:dew neh by ctd1500 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Really? You checked?
    They are kind of new, they came along with all of the "Project Dark" talk that was going around back in October. Even More Plus plans, no contract, and $20 cheaper than the corresponding standard Even More contract plans.

    Have you actually called tmobile lately to get the rates, plans you mention? I couldn't find a way to downgrade then either online, or via customer service operator.

    I just switched from a contract plan to a contract-free plan a few days ago. Unfortunately there was an error on the my.t-mobile site so I had to call them, but it still only took about 10 minutes to get everything switched over.