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Google Outlines Feature Set For Android 2.2

evdotorrey writes "Google announced new features and improvements for Android 2.2. New features include Flash and HTML 5 support, faster browser performance using the V8 engine, Microsoft Exchange support, a Portable Hotspot feature that makes your phone a Wi-Fi hotspot, and many more exciting features." An anonymous reader adds some more on the new release, codenamed Froyo: "Google claims the operating system will be from two to five times faster thanks to advances made in the compilers and the Dalvik virtual machine it uses, and how it is ported to new processors and platforms. On the enterprise front the new operating system comes with full support for Microsoft Exchange, including access to the global address book and the ability to translate native security features to mobile handsets. APIs have also been added to allow controls such as the automatic wiping of missing handsets and other remote management features. Google is also making its voice translation and search APIs open to developers, and showed off an application developed for the handset that allowed real time translation from English to French."

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  1. Anonymous Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even though I've seen these features a hundred times, I can't help but take another peek at what the future without apple in my pocket may hold.

    1. Re:Anonymous Cow by beav007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just bought an HTC Desire, which is running Android 2.1. It's absolutely fantastic to use.

      I have but one complaint. The RSS reader is a PITA to put a feed into unless it's a predefined/preapproved feed.

      Dear Google;

      Please, can we have an icon/button somewhere on the browser that shows that there are RSS feeds associated with that web page, and an integrated way to subscribe to them?

      Thanks

      -beav007

    2. Re:Anonymous Cow by a.ameri · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try NewsRob. It syncs with Google Reader and is just a pleasure to use.

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    3. Re:Anonymous Cow by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even though I've seen these features a hundred times, I can't help but take another peek at what the future without apple in my pocket may hold.

      Every time I to look into my future I find the screen blocked by the sheer amount of cash I have by not having apple in my pocket.

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    4. Re:Anonymous Cow by Hannes2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just use the Google Reader mobile webapp, which really works like a charm.

    5. Re:Anonymous Cow by ElKry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A crappy browser that makes you look at crappy Flash?

      Independently of how arguable the "crappy browser" part is (I haven't found a better or faster browser for a mobile device yet - maybe my needs are minimal on a minimalistic device?), no one is making you look at anything - you can disable Flash on Android 2.2 and continue your flashless experience, which I will probably do as soon as it's officially rolled out.

    6. Re:Anonymous Cow by bFusion · · Score: 2, Funny

      I kind of feel this is obligatory :)

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/5/28/

    7. Re:Anonymous Cow by jmpeax · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a Desire too - it is an HTC app. The fastest way to do what the GP wants is to copy the RSS URL from the browser and then paste it into the RSS reader app. Integrated RSS support would be nice though!

    8. Re:Anonymous Cow by suggsjc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I haven't found a better or faster browser for a mobile device yet

      Tried microB (the default browser) on the N900?

      FWIW, I'm also really liking Opeara Mobile 10 (on the n900) as well. I particularly like it in portrait mode as it scales very well horizontally and you are able to see a considerable amount vertically.

      I don't think either one is "perfect" as I use both depending on what I'm trying to do. I'm finding Opera a little faster to render at the expense of a little stability (and no flash, which I'm ok with). MicroB is rock solid and renders everything just like on a desktop browser (including flash), and I can use it to access all of my online banking.

      Conclusion, we aren't there yet, but getting closer. I doubt there will ever be (or should be) "one true" browser as competition is good and everyone is going to have personal needs/preferences. Also, froyo looks interesting...but I think the carriers are going to make it or break it (at least for the non-custom rom crowd).

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  2. Vendor / carrier upgrades by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love everything about Android except one thing: Vendor/carrier OS upgrades.

    As someone who wants to switch from iPhone to the HTC Evo 4G in June, I have one message to Sprint/HTC/whoever is responsible: Please make Android 2.2 available as soon as a stable build is out. If it takes months after stable 2.2 is released, I'm gonna be a very vocally dissatisfied customer.

    So please vendors / carriers, do us this courtesy and we'll all love you and happily part with obscene quantities of money for quality service.

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    1. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by Tukz · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can, if you install a generic Android.

      Vendor or carrier specific firmware isn't anything new.
      Symbian has done it for YEARS.

      The carriers custom fit the firmware, either removing certain things or add carrier specific applications.
      It's no different with Android phones.

      Which mean what when a new Android is released, the vendors and/or carriers have to custom fit the new version to their own and then release it to their customers. As you can probably imagine, this can take quite a while.

      Ever since I started with Symbian many years ago, I've reinstalled with generic firmware as fast as possible.
      If HTC is as slow as I've heard, I'm gonna do the same when I get my HTC Desire next month.

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    2. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by RMH101 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The OS is a little different. If you buy a Google handset (G1, G2, Nexus One) then you get the update pushed OTA as it's released. If you buy another vendor's version, you have to wait whilst they customise the latest OS for their handset. Specifically, HTC sell Android handsets with their "Sense" UI. Historically they've been somewhat slow to release updates - HTC need to compile a new build, and they take their sweet time to do this. Whilst you can flash alternate ROMs (waves to XDA-Developers.com) to devices - e.g. Cyanogen - you need to be reasonably tech-savvy to do so, and if anything goes wrong you've lost your warranty. Couple this with some vendors taking extra steps to make it deliberately difficult to install third-party ROMs (I'm looking at you, HTC Desire!) and the upshot is that to upgrade safely/easily - wait for the vendor to release an update. To be on the bleeding edge you can take a (small) risk and install third party ROMs.

    3. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I got a HTC Hero.
      It still runs Android 1.5 But in the US they got it upgraded to 2.1 a few days ago. And here in Europe we will get the 2.1 Update sometime next month.

      So android 1.6, 2.0, 2.1 and now 2.2 has been released in the time it takes HTC to upgrade from 1.5 to 2.1
      So it will still be a release behind.

      Sure I got a 1.5 phone, but the way that they update softwre today, and develepers develop to the newes OS and not old OS (New API, features etc.)
      Then the OS realy need to be upgraded basic when it's released

    4. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by sznupi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can't you just debrand the phone? It was awlays quite straightforward with Symbian devices. As far as "skyrocketing you into another price bracket"...OTOH you can choose more affordable models and get cheaper plan/prepaid (yeah, I know, US specifics)

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    5. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by RMH101 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some phones are designated Google Experience devices. They carry the logo. The Nexus One is an example. In the UK I can walk into a Vodafone retail store and buy one now. It's being sold thru a phone company, but it's still a Google device.
      This is differentiated from an Android handset which runs a non-Google vendor-modified OS such as HTC Sense.

    6. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The first thing I did with my Touch Diamond 2 was install a custom ROM. Stock / Vendor ROMs are almost always out of date before shipping, and updates from the vendor are few and far between. I don't expect this to be any different on Android phones.

      There's a good community at xda-developers for Android phones. Check them out.

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    7. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by ducomputergeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      But the real question is how long until carriers start treating Android phones like any phone before it only authorizing their firmware to operate on their network and going to their "Market place"? I see that day coming soon rather than later as most carriers in the US don't want to be turned into dumb pipes. Talking with friends in Australia, it appears this has already happened down there with Android phones. They have to purchase apps through the carrier store, it blocks the Google Market Place.

      The carriers great metric is "Revenue per customer". That is what they want to maximize. They saw how AT&T got pretty much blind sided by the success Apple has had with the iTunes App Store. They would rather see that 30% commission on each app sold than Google or independent developers.

      I've already heard some complaints from friends with different Droid phones not being able to run the same apps. One person downloads an App that works great on a HTC, but a person with a Motorola can't down download the same app due to incompatible hardware.

      As a developer, we're already charging 4x's the amount to develop for Android vs iPhone. Why? Because with Android we have test against 4 software versions and a number of different handsets and that adds a lot of time/cost in the QA phase. Not to mention keeping up with all the hardware is getting to be expensive for a small shop.

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    8. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by Totenglocke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a heads up since you want to buy an Evo - I was considering breaking my contract with AT&T and ditching my iPhone 3GS for an Evo until I found out that there's a $10 / month fine on any Sprint customer who has an Evo. Even in 3G only areas too - you can use the same Android 2.1 on it that you can on the Samsung Moment that Sprint has, run the same apps, and use the same amount of bandwidth, but you pay another $240 over the two year contract. Sprint's BS justification for this is that it has a bigger screen and processor, therefore you'll download way more than the 5 GB limit they have on their normal 3G data plan. Needless to say, people are pretty pissed off about this.

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    9. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some already do. If you've got one through AT&T it's fully locked down. That was my only gripe about my backflip. Motorola had their locked down phone in the Milestone. One of the main reasons why I bought my Nexus one was that it would be getting all the updates promptly up until some point in the future when it's discontinued. It's really the only phone that guarantees you that it will be getting prompt updates for things that Google thinks are important.

      I'd expect most other phones to take quite a bit of time as each carrier has to customize quite a bit before releasing it for the OTA update.

    10. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sure, they are, right here in the US. They have announced that they plan to phase out direct distribution in favor of retail distribution through carriers. Unfortunately, they communicated this so fucking poorly that half the people who read articles based on the press release thought the Nexus One was discontinued and that it was some sort of failure, or even that Google was getting out of the phone business entirely, just when Android is really starting to take off.

      In fact, Nexus One is the best GSM smartphone on the market in the US right now. All the iPhone owners who see mine (my wife included) are jealous of how much it can do, and how easily it can do it. Google is obviously bad at PR - or else they would have simply said "We are responding to customer demand to see the phone first and are going to be distributing it through retail stores and carriers in the US".

      There was really no need to phase out the online store at all - just accept it as a minor channel that is not going to change the game that the carriers play. Only the ubergeeks are going to shell out the big bucks for unlocked, unsubsidized phones.

      Epic PR fail for Google.

    11. Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades by 3dr · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, Google announced they would stop selling N1's through their web site once they had retail channels in line.

      You can still order an N1 through the site: http://www.google.com/phone

      (Looking for ways to scare up the cash for an N1.)

  3. Wifi tethering by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what will be the effects of millions of people carrying wifi hotspots.

    If I put my happy optimistic hat, I can imagine a next generation that forgets about ownership of connection and creates a giant web of constant wifi access to the web.

    A world where every little gadget can access the web as you approach, by using your phone.

    1. Re:Wifi tethering by LingNoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's already happening, check out OLSR being ported to the android. With this your android can connect to an OLSR mesh network.

    2. Re:Wifi tethering by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have real, functional Wifi tethering on my 2.1 Droid, complete with basic or absolute access control, notification of new connections, et cetera. It works well.

      Even though I have all access control and encryption disabled, so that anyone within earshot could use it freely, I leave it turned off unless I'm using it myself. This, despite the fact that I also carry an iPod Touch (which certainly benefits from having an always-on connection), and could easily lock the connection down to just the iPod and my laptop if I chose to do so.

      Why? The answer is very practical: I don't care if anyone benefits from using my bandwidth, but as long as it impacts my battery life, I'm not game. Not even for myself.

      That said, there's technical reasons why your idea won't work. A sea of miscellaneous open APs, moving about in cars and sidewalks (while you might also be doing the same) sounds like a good idea, until you realize that hopping from one to another kills any existing TCP connections, trashes any UDP sessions, and would be generally unreliable.

      I currently pay $30 per month for unlimited data on my phone. And even in a world of free, cellular-backed mobile access points: I'd be very happy to continue paying that every month, just so I don't have to fuck with restarting connections (or wait while software takes care of it for me) every few dozen feet.

      We'd need some new protocols, or better-tailored support from existing ones, before your idea would become useful for the sorts of things that people actually use this stuff for.

  4. Put your tinfoil hat on by oldhack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have we audited the Android code enough to know that it's not phoning the mothership sending god-knows-what? Do we know there is no other "oops we didn't mean to"? It's one thing to have gov't spooks snooping on you, wholly another to have a private corporation piling dossier on you.

    Paranoid? Pretty damn well justified when we are talking about Google, I say. Ask them about their data collection policy.

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    1. Re:Put your tinfoil hat on by mjwx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have we audited the Android code enough to know that it's not phoning the mothership sending god-knows-what?

      I'd say so. I pretty much know what my Android phone is sending back by casual observation, my contacts are synced with Gmail, it asks if I want to participate in X program (no) or send my location to google (no).

      But hey, if you don't believe me do an audit yourself. The thing about secret plots is that the more people you involve in them the harder they are to keep secret.

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    2. Re:Put your tinfoil hat on by Spad · · Score: 3, Informative

      And this is different from any other Phone, or indeed software of any kind because..?

  5. Re:DRM protected apps on SD card? by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Informative

    No DRM. Not having root access in stock Android carrier/HTC will sufficiently prevent casual copying of paid apps to another device. After market ROMs or a ROOT access package will most certainly have this restriction lifted. You are not DRM-locked into not being able to copy/backup your paid apps, but you will void your warranty to do so.

    If there is, it will be rather easily removed with superuser permissions.

    By far the best feature of Android is the thriving community of after-market OS builds. It's like upgrading your phone for free. I'm not affiliated, but right now feel obliged to shameless endorse CyanogenMod's G1/G2/Nexus One custom ROMs http://www.cyanogenmod.com./

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  6. TFA!!!!! by adolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    First, I read the comments. There were three. I modded them all up, because they all seemed useful within the confines of Slashdot's moderation parameters. I frequently have mod points, apparently because people think my moderation is fair. However, by posting this (I refuse to jump through hoops to post as AC), those moderations were undone. Sorry.

    The reason is simple: After moderating, I read TFA. Therein, I see that about every third sentence ends with an exclamation point! This artificial excitement really annoying!

    For instance:

    With Android 2.2, the Chrome web browser will have full Adobe Flash Player 10.1 support to allow you to view flash-based websites, play flash games, and more! This is something that not even the iPhone is capable of doing!

    See what I mean! It's a very loud article!

    It's like there aren't any there any others to pick from!

    That said, I might be qualified to be an Android fanboi! For instance, today at work, I used my phone to help me align and plumb two antenna systems! The day before that, it helped me cook a stew! And on Monday of this week, it even walked my dog!

    But this quantity of exclamatory remarks is unsettling! Please, timothy, given your lineage here, I expect better editing!

    Sincerely!

    adolf!

    1. Re:TFA!!!!! by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Second time this week I've wanted to post a sound instead of plain words.

      Metal Gear's ' ! ' sound.

    2. Re:TFA!!!!! by Hinhule · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by RMH101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've just switched from iPhone to Android. I'd jailbroken my phone to add the features Apple didn't seem to want to give me, I'd call myself a power user of the iPHone (if there is such a thing) and I just got tired of fighting Apple. Every update they push, arbitrary app restrictions (google voice?) - in the end it was an Engadget podcast that persuaded me to switch. Do I want a future of everything coming thru Apple and iTunes (with Apple nickle-and-diming me to death on each transaction), or do I want a connected handset produced by a vendor who has a vested interest in it integrating nicely with as many third-party services (twitter/facebook/flickr etc) as possible? When Apple bought the mobile advertising network it was the last straw.
    I now have 2.1 on an HTC Desire and couldn't be happier. All of a sudden you're not treated like an evil hacker for wanting apps that "think different" - it's encouraged.
    Case in point: forgot to copy a new album over to my phone. I realised I could wirelessly connect to my LAN, browse the content, copy an album over to my handset. Job done.

  8. Re:Which phone? by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Strictly speaking AMOLED...is TFT; "TFT LCD" in the latter case would be more precise. ;)

    People forget that such choice is (or was...(*)) mostly about answering the question "do I want a screan looking great inside but weak in sunlight (OLED) or do I want a high chance of a screen which is merely good inside and...good in sunlight? (if that's transfelctive LCD)".

    (*) Admittedly, in recent times various types of touchscreens, often put on top, and neglecting transflective LCDs make it even more murky

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  9. Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? by Qubit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay, sure, Google cuts some deal with Adobe to suck up the Adobe Flash Player code and bake it into builds of Chrome. Or Chromium (whichever one is their proprietary version of the browser).

    But why would they describe that support as existing in Android? I thought that Android was Google's FOSS-licensed, linux-kernel-based OS.

    When Google, HTC, and other people release a phone running Android, they invariably pile all kinds of proprietary stuff on top. Other options would be nice, but they don't seem too interested in that.

    Maybe it's just this particular news site being imprecise, but I'm concerned that Google is trying to peg Flash support via this browser to all Android phones. I mean, it's great for people who want to run the software, but it's shifting Android away from a FOSS project to Yet Another Proprietary Stack.

    C'mon Google, you're chock full of smart engineers who want an open web, so please make sure that Android stays an open stack.

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    1. Re:Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? by D+H+NG · · Score: 5, Informative

      FYI, Flash support won't be built into Froyo. You download the Flash plug-in from the Marketplace as you would any other app.

    2. Re:Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are other options. You can run Android just fine without any of the Google-branded proprietary apps (Google Maps, Google Earth, Gmail, etc.). They are kind of cool, whiz-bang things but you don't need em.

      Their mail client is Open Source, and there's a fantastic fork called K9mail that is the most used app on my iPhone. The browser is based on Webkit and there's nothing that forces you to download/use/enable the Flash plugin. You can even download Mozilla Fennec (the alpha build at this point, but hey) if you prefer. There are customized versions of the Contacts and Phone apps out there.

      As a matter of fact, there are community-built ROMs out there that don't have the Google stuff built in. Or you can easily enough remove them from your phone if they bother you.

      If you want complete freedom and choice, buy the Nexus One, there are ton of custom ROMs for it. Don't buy the carrier-subsidized locked-down phones. Despite the fact that Google is shifting to a retail distribution model, the Google branded phones aren't going away. The Nexus One is currently the best GSM smartphone on the market in the US (Desire isn't available here, EVO 4G isn't GSM). Get it now, build your own ROMs or use other people's ROMs, hack-away, be happy.

  10. Re:No love got the G1 by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm still waiting for 2.0 for my G1. Why should I care about 2.2?

    Yes I know I can root my phone and shoehorn a modded OS on there. I really don't want to hear about your 1337 hax. I want a supported update.

    I won't badger you about aftermarket ROMs and how awesome I think they are (because I do), but I will say some major mods are actually well supported with frequent updates. Carefully done , you can back up your stock rom, test drive the aftermarket ROM and if need be roll back to the stock software. I also understand that re-flashing the official firmware is sufficient to retain your warranty should you need to make a claim.

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  11. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just switched from iPhone to Android and I find that Android devices are just too wide, too big for me. The iPhone was slim. Smoooooth. Shiny. I could place it upright on a chair and just sit on it.

    But what of the Androids? They're ridiculously fat and require a concoction of KY Jelly and Preparation H to "work for me." They're so rough and unrefined -- they're the "lumberjack bears" of portable phones. Rough, I like. But I still have to go out and be able to sit down without wincing. The roughness of the operating system is fine, I'll deal with that...but please, please make something that fits in my ass! Work with me, ladies!

  12. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Informative

    My HTC desire fits in my iPhone silicone skin. It's almost exactly the same size down to the last mm. YMMV.

  13. A speed boost for Android? Before the next iPhone? by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess you could say that the new compiler arrived... just in time?

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  14. Nope, no Froyo for the G1 by Namarrgon · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's just not enough room in the flash rom. Sorry.

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  15. First things first by robinvanleeuwen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well great,

    the new android is almost on the shelves, but nowhere i read if they are gonna support setting
    a proxy for WiFi. Up until now you are unable to make use of a proxy. As far as i can tell this feature
    was there in 1.x (with or without the use of 3th-party apps) , but in 2.x it is not possible to set a proxy for
    WiFi.

    Despite the 344-and-growing comments on http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1273 ,
    in which the feature was first reported missing on Nov. 12 2008 (Two thousand and eight!!!, we're in 2010 now)
    They have failed to respond or shed some light on this. And looking at:

    Status: New
    Owner: ----
    Type-Enhancement
    Priority-Medium
    Component-Device
    Subcomponent-Wifi

    It doens't give me a lot of convidence that they are really looking into it.

    Don't get me wrong, WiFi thetering is great and all but compared to making use of a proxy for WiFi,
    if you are dependend on a (corporate) proxy due to missing signal from your provider, slow connections
    (3G or even G),are at the whim of corporate policy or you have to pay extra for data per mb to you provider,
    it's pretty insignificant to have WiFi thetering if you are unable to use the internet on droid at all...

    So my 2ct's are first things first, you can't not support proxy for WiFi and push your OS as someting that
    can be used in an corporate enviroment...

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  16. Official dev blog link by trawg · · Score: 5, Informative

    The official Android developers blog post is probably more interesting than blogspam

  17. No custom ROMs for Motorola Milestone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can, if you install a generic Android.

    Not on Motorola Milestone (the european version of Droid). Motorola has locked its bootloader so you can't install a generic Android image, unless you sign it with Motorola's keys.

    There's an online petition about that issue:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/freeblms/petition.html

    1. Re:No custom ROMs for Motorola Milestone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Really? The last time I said something like that, people pointed me to sites explaining in detail how to root a Milestone.

      Yes, it can be rooted, but it doesn't mean that you will be able to boot a custom kernel. The bootloader is locked with keys which are buried somewhere in the hardware, thus any unsigned kernel will be prevented from booting.

  18. Re:LOL, What An Idiot by GORby_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Coming from nowhere, reaching the 3rd spot in a few years isn't something I would call bad by any means, especially when you're selling your phones at a premium, compared to some of other companies' offerings.

    My guess is that the Android user base will be larger than that of the iPhone/iPad/iwhatever in the near future, in part due to the larger number of available devices and the variety that brings. However, I think iPhoneOS will remain popular, and a larger part of Android's growth will come from other smarphone operating systems...

  19. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone integrates with third party services quite nicely - twitter, facebook, flikr, etc, and the new advertising service is *optional*. It doesn't do anything that the app store doesn't have already, it just means that if an app developer wants an easy way to include advertising, they can no do so - with the bulk of the heavy lifting (ad serving and ad selection) handled by Apple (for a cut). You can still produce free apps, or roll your own ad distribution like apps in the store already have (like Shazam lite for one).

    For all the crying about how Apple limit developers, you think that a new feature that makes development easier if you were going to use ads in the first place might at least be *understood* by slashdot, if not praised. (it is an ad service after all).

    So Apple are "nickel and diming you to death" - compared to Android? The apps on the Android marketplace cost money too. Why is it different on there? There are free apps on both platforms, and ad-suppoted apps on both platforms. Why is it "nickel and diming" on iPhone and not on Android?

  20. Re:LOL, What An Idiot by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don;t think you're far off. Android has the benefit of being available on multiple platforms and manufacturers - that is going to increase the installed base. It is also its weakness (although not a crippling one) in that you have a varied handset base that you need to manage. The benefit of the iPhone is the very small set of hardware that iPhone OS runs on. Advantages and disadvantages to both systems, but that's just how it is.

    Android is clearly doing extremely well, and good for it - if there is one thing that is going to drive iPhone development, it's a serious competitor (and vice versa). Everyone is going to be better off.

    Apple's iPhone base is something like 100 million phones - I think it has well and truly "arrived" enough to always be a big player now, the same as Android - neither one is going to kill the other, they'll just both keep improving.

  21. Re:Gone back to cooking ROMs - BAD!!! by Tim9431 · · Score: 4, Informative

    2.1 for the hero came out yesterday. Its on HTC website...now the eternal wait for 2.2 begins.

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  22. Article sucks by rubypossum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    on Google's giant hairy man-breasted teat. To quote from TFA:

    >> Android 2.2 will be the first mobile operating system that will have native flash support.

    Excuse me, you mean that Android will finally get Flash, following in the footsteps of the non-corporate bastardized Maemo for Nokia N900 smart phone which has had native flash support for months, if not a year. Obviously this Google fanboi didn't want to pass the word along. After all, somebody might go out and buy a phone you can get flash on TODAY. Instead of in some indefinite time in the future, for a phone that's locked down to the bastards at Sprint. Ehhhh.

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  23. Comparing their latest Chrome to a year old Safari by tyrione · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the many improvements that Android 2.2 will bring is better performance when running applications. They have made improvements to how applications are compiled that allows apps to run more efficiently, which ultimately allows the applications to run faster and smoother than ever before. Android's web browser Chrome, has also been improved with a 2-3x javascript performance boost using the V8 engine which allows web apps to load a lot faster with Android 2.2. During the live demonstration using Sun's standard Spider javascript test, Chrome on Android 2.2 out performed the same phone running Android 2.1 and even outperformed the Apple iPad running Safari!

    I sure hope it outperforms Safari on iPad seeing as it's not remotely near the WebKit nightly that's been in development for nearly a year.

  24. Re:Something doesn't sit right with me. by Tukz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's not Androids fault, that's the vendors.

    Android is the OS, which is quite open indeed.
    What vendors do with the firmware on their own phones, is entirely up to them.

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  25. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple aren't interested in integration: they want you consuming your media through them, they want you to use their services (Mobile Me? Yeah, that was *great*, wasn't it?) whereas Google have a vested interest in users being ultra-connected to any and all third party services.
    Let me ask you: do you think we'll see a) a decrease or b) an increase in the number of ads on iPhone now there's a central mechanism for delivering them, and Apple take a cut?
    App prices are one thing, but to use the iPhone I need iTunes. I need an iTunes account. If I want accessories that work I need Apple ones (put an ID chip in the video out cable? So that instead of a simple $5 cable I now need a $40 Apple version?). If I rent a movie, it expires if I've not watched it for a bit.
    Apple's vision of the future is you slumped on the couch consuming music, tv and video on your iPad, and paying a small premium every single time.

  26. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by ruiner13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When Apple bought the mobile advertising network it was the last straw.

    wait, so apple got an ad firm and that's your excuse to go to GOOGLE of all companies? I don't think you thought that one through...

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  27. Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Consider how consumers react to ads - if you unnecessarily include ads, you annoy your customers, they leave. You lose out.

    If you were already using ads, all you have done is change suppliers - transparent to the consumer.

    If you have a paid add and you also include ads, people are going to moan that they are being double dipped.

    It's AOL in the UK all over again back in the early days of the internet - used to cost £10 per month for service, but local calls here are not free so you were paying twice for the service and the call. As soon as the freephone numbers (supported by ads) came along, people went for it like flies on shit. They also went for the free service, but subsidised by the local call cost (and no adverts). You very rarely get something for nothing. It's all about perceived value though - adverts already exist on the app store, and are pretty "self regulating". The addition of Apple's ad system just makes it easier for developers to do what they are already doing.

  28. Re:LOL, What An Idiot by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Informative

    In other countries the iPhone is already on multiple carriers - here in the UK you can get it on Orange, O2 and Vodafone.