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London's Mayor Promises London-Wide Wireless For 2012 Olympics

Pax681 writes "[London Mayor] Boris Johnson declared that London will have all bus stops and lamp posts Wi-Fi enabled by 2012 for the Olympics. In an article on Tech Eye, Boris waxes lyrical (or as lyrical as he can get) about how it would be done at a Google Zeitgeist event in Hertfordshire. These would be public Wi-Fi hotpots; as such, would these break the new law on open access points? Would they be just the thing for people to use to infringe with impunity and anonymously bypass the chances of running foul of the Digital Economy Act?"

130 comments

  1. Cash prize of £500 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For whoever can download the Al Queda Operators Manual while at the table next to the Mayor.

    You may also get a congratulatory beating.

    1. Re:Cash prize of £500 by danny_lehman · · Score: 1

      if Dr.Who has taught us anything, it's that wireless transmissions are in fact aliens made of pink lightning that suck your faces off through the television.
      It's clear that this technology is Years beyond our current understanding of science, :. there must be an alien creature manipulating the timeline!

    2. Re:Cash prize of £500 by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ". there must be an alien creature manipulating the timeline!"

      Have you SEEN Boris Johnson?

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    3. Re:Cash prize of £500 by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      Have you SEEN Boris Johnson?

      Nah..Boris is human through and through.. His hair on the other hand....

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    4. Re:Cash prize of £500 by eosp · · Score: 1

      I am Boris Johnson...and I am HUNGRY! HUNGRY!

    5. Re:Cash prize of £500 by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're hoping the terrorists will be stupid enough to use it to plan the attack.

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  2. Someone needs to by OrwellianLurker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone needs to pirate the Olympics on this wireless.

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  3. Has Boris thought.... by bothemeson · · Score: 3, Informative

    how many lamp-posts there are in London? He's a well-meaning right-wing buffoon.

    1. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's neither a buffoon nor particularly well meaning.

      Doesn't stop him being vaguely likable..

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    2. Re:Has Boris thought.... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      So that's 1 WAP and 3 CCD cameras on every lamp-post in London, then?

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    3. Re:Has Boris thought.... by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Laws don't apply to government. "No open access hotspots" unless of course a politician does it.

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    4. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Has Boris thought....

      Doesn't seem likely.

      He also promised to get rid of Bendy Buses, improve rail and cycle services at no cost to the taxpayer (lolwut?) and (most likely) something about a badger in every pot.

      I think we all know that he's an entertainer, not an executive, and was voted for on that basis.

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    5. Re:Has Boris thought.... by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cool, so I take it that pretty soon one can do Video VOIP conference calls around a lamp post...

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    6. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Spad · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mobile phone manufacturers are worried.

      In the near future, to make a call in London you'll only need to say, in clear voice:

      "I WISH TO CALL MY FRIEND MIKE"

      And the nearest lamppost will set the call.

      At first it will be a bit strange to speak to a lamppost and hear it reply in your friend's voice.

    8. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least the badger has now gone from Downing St...

    9. Re:Has Boris thought.... by value_added · · Score: 4, Funny

      He also promised to get rid of Bendy Buses, improve rail and cycle services at no cost to the taxpayer (lolwut?) and (most likely) something about a badger in every pot.

      Not being English, I read the above and guessed that a "bendy bus" was some sort of English desert. I was disappointed to learn that it has nothing in common with spotted dick, trifle, brakewell tart, or even a roly-poly, but rather it's just a frigging bus. Or more specifically, an articulated bus.

      The badger reference I'm still working on.

    10. Re:Has Boris thought.... by gazbo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Had I lived in London I would have voted for him solely for his appearances on Have I Got News For You. And I am not in any way ashamed of this fact.

    11. Re:Has Boris thought.... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ye have only had those articulated "bendy" buses 8 years. Seems like a huge waste of money to just dump them. According to wikipedia: "Research by London TravelWatch has indicated that such a withdrawal could prove costly to TfL. A study conducted in September 2008 found that replacing articulated vehicles on routes 38, 507, and 521, whilst maintaining overall route capacity, would cost an additional £12.6 million per annum."

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    12. Re:Has Boris thought.... by __Reason__ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      how many lamp-posts there are in London?

      There's approximately 20,500 bus stops in Greater London - I have a database (NaPTAN) of them. I'd estimate there's as least 50 lamp posts for every bus stop. So, thats over 1,000,000 WiFI access points to be rolled out by 2012! Wow!

    13. Re:Has Boris thought.... by mrrudge · · Score: 1
    14. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's bakewell tart. Don't make Mr. Kipling angry.

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    15. Re:Has Boris thought.... by delinear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The obvious answer is that the hotspots will be declared legal but anyone who uses them will be branded criminals, in that way Boris gets to keep his promise, the copyright holders get their own way and everyone's happy. Well, everyone apart from the public, but they don't really matter since they're just a machine for generating cash.

    16. Re:Has Boris thought.... by delinear · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ditto - in fact, having seen time and again what a mess "serious" politicians have made of running things, I think from now on we should all vote based on the candidate's comedic value. The country will still be screwed, but at least we'll get some laughs.

    17. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "At first it will be a bit strange to speak to a lamppost and hear it reply in your friend's voice."

      You clearly have not seen the drunks in Middlesbrough Town Centre on a Fri..well..Fri-Thurs night - they sure as hell try.

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    18. Re:Has Boris thought.... by delinear · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're not thinking like a politician. Why fit WiFi to 1,000,000 lamp posts when you can initiate a "take back the night skies" policy, reduce the number of lamp posts tenfold and easily keep your WiFi promise into the bargain.

    19. Re:Has Boris thought.... by joss · · Score: 4, Funny

      > At first it will be a bit strange to speak to a lamppost and hear it reply in your friend's voice.

      I've been doing it for years. It's one of the wonders of ciderspace.

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    20. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...about using a real subject next time, rather than a sentence fragment?

    21. Re:Has Boris thought.... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      He's a well-meaning right-wing buffoon.

      A right-wing buffoon wouldn't be providing public wi-fi, he'd be building them with public money and then giving them to private enterprise to charge the public to access what they already paid for. He's a left-wing buffoon.

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    22. Re:Has Boris thought.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So the good news is that everyone has wireless. The bad news is that the only thing on the internet is sporting events and reruns of Bleak House.

      Unless you buy the premium package.

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    23. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... loudspeakers are in place, mics are gonna be placed around town probably soon... the technology is in, we could as well use it for the people instead of against them for a change.

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    24. Re:Has Boris thought.... by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A bendy bus is something you find in in places like France, where the roads are much wider and can cope with them. In England they might work in places like Milton Keynes or Swindon, but not London.

    25. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Interoperable · · Score: 1

      That's one way to keep people from using the wireless for lewd things. London will be able to associate a face with every packet sent.

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    26. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Help me here, please, what's wrong with the busses? I've been to London twice, and so far I can't say that I found anything wrong with their public transport. Well, aside of the price tag.

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    27. Re:Has Boris thought.... by LizardKing · · Score: 1

      Many of the bendy buses on the 521 route have gone already, replaced by ordinary single deckers. The extra capacity of the 521 wasn't much used on that route anyway.

    28. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In other words, the giant douche was more visually appealing than the turd sandwich?

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    29. Re:Has Boris thought.... by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 1
      he is a buffoon but he is not well-meaning.

      rather, he is well mean!

    30. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might think that, but there's a lot of 'em driving around Bath.

    31. Re:Has Boris thought.... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      They were brought in by Labour, so are automatically evil in the eyes of Boris and his paymasters.

      They also annoy drivers of Chelsea Tractors (SUVs) because they are physically large articulated busses that require plenty of room and considerate driving from other motorists.

      I thought they were pretty good - a huge improvement on the routemaster for space and access, and they were comfortable and quiet to ride.

    32. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I was under the same impression. We have them too in my country, and nobody really complains about that. Granted, we also don't drive SUVs and our people treasure their cars enough that they keep their distance from our (quite reckless) bus drivers.

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    33. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Help me here, please, what's wrong with the busses?

      They don't fit in the streets very well. They are unreliable, spending roughly a quarter of their life in the workshop - assuming they haven't gone on fire. On a long, straight bit of road (not many of them on a typical London bus route) they return a stunning 3mpg! Thanks to their antiquated engine designs, they burn slightly less fuel and emit only slightly more unpleasant fumes when they're on fire than when they're on the road. The only way to get them above 1.5mpg on a normal route is to tow them with a recovery truck.

    34. Re:Has Boris thought.... by dkf · · Score: 1

      In other words, the giant douche was more visually appealing than the turd sandwich?

      Well, at least he wasn't a tub of lard.

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    35. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah your forgetting it's an English class thing. If your so poor you have to take a bus you shouldnt be allowed in Chelsea.

    36. Re:Has Boris thought.... by N1EY · · Score: 1

      I think that only Irish bus drivers are worse than British Bus Drivers. They give no quarter to bicyclists. Bicyclists can not also pass those long buses when they are stopped. In general they are just too long. I am not one of those daring cyclists. Top Gear even tried to demonstrate that articulated buses are dynamicly unstable through turns at moderate speeds. ;)

    37. Re:Has Boris thought.... by locofungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nothing wrong with London's public transport. The problem is very large vehicles in London (centre). The roads are generally too narrow, too bendy and have too many junctions for very long vehicles.

      Many junctions have had their stop lines moved right back (20-30m from the junction) to allow the buses to turn into them. It's all too common for a car driver to be unable to see the point of stopping so far back so they stop a cars length or two in front of the line. Then one of these buses comes around the corner and everybody is stuck. (over the years this has got to be a lesser and lesser problem as more and more car drivers have directly experienced the problems it causes but it's never gone away completely)

      Or when the buses are going along a main road with two lanes they should wait until their exit is clear before entering a box junction (yellow hatched area where you are not allowed to enter unless your exit is clear and are not allowed to stop on unless you are turning right and are prevented from oncoming traffic). But cars in the other lane will "overtake" the bus and then pull across into the buses lane meaning that the 18m gap that the bus needs in front of it never happens. So the buses just block the junctions. (and pedestrian crossing are blocked even more often - it's not at all uncommon for once of these buses to end up slap bang across a pedestrian crossing for the entire green man phase - which tends to be fairly short anyway even when you've got a direct route across the road)

      These buses have a surprisingly brisk acceleration - and there is a significant proportion of bus drivers who will just pull away when there is a car or cyclist overtaking. Typically for a car it's not too much problem but many cyclists cannot then get past them but end up stranded in the middle of the road with a bus that is now going slightly faster than they are but has 15m of vehicle behind them preventing them from getting back in.

      For the people who use them, these buses are very good. But, unfortunately, they do not work well on the road infrastructure in central London.

      Tim.

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    38. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Apatharch · · Score: 1

      For those who didn't read the article (i.e. most Slashdotters), the phrase "This will most likely require some sort of payment..." seems to imply some form of access control and thus user tracking, so it wouldn't run afoul of the DE bill anyway.

    39. Re:Has Boris thought.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They've just finished moving all of the roads in the centre of Swansea to accommodate the bendy busses. I've no idea who thought this was a good idea; it's quite rare for me to see one more than half full, and the old double-decker busses seemed to have the same capacity and not require the roads to be moved...

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    40. Re:Has Boris thought.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I don't think political ideology really meshes well with Boris world view. His policies seem to come from seeming like a good idea at the time. The only party that he really belongs in is the one with copious quantities of champagne.

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    41. Re:Has Boris thought.... by andywebs · · Score: 1

      Or just widely publicize that all the passwords are London.

    42. Re:Has Boris thought.... by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      I agree hes not an idot (he puts on act to atract totty) - and he did introduce the London Living Wage which is more than Labor did

    43. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public doesn't imply free; given his affiliations, it's quite likely that it will be paid for with public money, then leased out to his pals as a low rate to charge the public for using. But it's available to the public, and therefore counts...

    44. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, here comes the genius part. They can uninstall all those cameras now. They'll just use people's laptop cams. Bonus: they can watch cute schoolboys getting high on Mike & Ikes in extreme closeup.

    45. Re:Has Boris thought.... by d34dluk3 · · Score: 1

      On this note, Colbert for President in 2012!

    46. Re:Has Boris thought.... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      On a long, straight bit of road (not many of them on a typical London bus route) they return a stunning 3mpg!

      They must be quite archaic. A local manufacturer here started producing a (bending) bus model with approximately 6-7 mpg (inter-city traffic in winter, according to the first info from a local tech news site).

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    47. Re:Has Boris thought.... by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Laws don't apply to government. "No open access hotspots" unless of course a politician does it.

      Or you could just think about it for five minutes and come to the conclusion that the contradictions could be resolved by not using open WiFi but instead using secured WiFi with a registration system so that any access to the system could be associated with a verified ID. Pretty straightforward really. Just show your passport or driver's license to someone at the airport, your hotel, or whatever the DMV is called in England, and they give you a WiFi login.

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    48. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great vacation idea - fun to contact friends and family in the U.S. from London while on vacation! How convenient.

    49. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My best friend is a lamppost. It works out well for my dog when there's a fire-hydrant nearby.

    50. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's normally the CCTV shouting at the drunks in Middlesbrough!

    51. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will it keep people from using lampposts for lewd things?

    52. Re:Has Boris thought.... by Nikker · · Score: 1

      I know this could be considered tin foil talk and all but that is what I was thinking as well. With a country that is as much into security theater as the west in their position I would likely put a passive radio for each active into each ap. This way I could monitor a huge amount of data just incase some terrorist sends a tweet saying "we set them up the bomb".

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    53. Re:Has Boris thought.... by bmsleight · · Score: 1

      "stop lines moved right back (20-30m from the junction)"

      "entering a box junction"

      "entire green man phase"

      I spy another Traffic Engineer.

    54. Re:Has Boris thought.... by refitman · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find that it was Ken Livingston that introduced the living wage. Boris just increased it.

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    55. Re:Has Boris thought.... by MacWiz · · Score: 1

      I think from now on we should all vote based on the candidate's comedic value. The country will still be screwed, but at least we'll get some laughs.

      That's how Bush got elected. But we misunderestimated his stategery.

    56. Re:Has Boris thought.... by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      ah did he - still a surprising thing for a Tory to do - though I suspect that Borris is more an old school one nation tory

    57. Re:Has Boris thought.... by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      Nah, you will probably still get beat by the Bobbies for having a camera in public. The only upside would be that you can stream the beating in realtime to UStream

  4. Not all officials are bad by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, one branch of the government (central) is a bunch of nazi control freaks, and another (local) is reasonable?

    But too bad, it's the central one who gets to issue laws, and sadly, in this case it looks like the local initiative will be ruled illegal.

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    1. Re:Not all officials are bad by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      to be fair, the nazi control freak central government was kicked out at the election we had a fortnight ago. Give the new ones a chance - they'll have their faults for sure, but they won't be quite as control freak as the last lot. More nazi, perhaps.

    2. Re:Not all officials are bad by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      >>>Give the new ones a chance - they'll have their faults for sure, but they won't be quite as control freak as the last lot.

      That's what we said over here in the American Union, and yet the "new lot" happily renewed the Patriot Act rather than let it expire, and they just passed legislation to start collecting DNA

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    3. Re:Not all officials are bad by jecblackpepper · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least the new lot in UK have explicitly said that they are going to repeal some of the civil liberty infringing laws, including ensuring the removal of innocent people's DNA from the DNA database. Of course they've only be in power a couple of weeks haven't even yet placed their programme for government before parliament, but I'm at least hopeful that they will do some (all) of the things they've promised on civil liberties.

    4. Re:Not all officials are bad by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      That burns because you elected a liberal who is behaving like a Nazi. We elected the Conservatives (plus their little helpers) so we expect them to behave like Nazis and so aren't as shocked and upset by it.

    5. Re:Not all officials are bad by commodore64_love · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why do people keep called the National Socialist German Workers Party (Natzis) conservatives? They were best buds with the 1920s Communists, who were leftists. The Nazis did eventually have a "family squabble" with the communists, but they were still leftists (supported strong central government) (and centralized markets).

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    6. Re:Not all officials are bad by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Except that, so far, the Conservatives have been sounding quite reasonable. Before the election, every time Cameron opened his mouth I respected him slightly less. Since the election, he keeps saying things I agree with. It's unnerving.

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    7. Re:Not all officials are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

      Seriously, do you know anything at all or just post whatever shit you think of at the time? 99% of your posts are wrong, the other 1% are such utter drivel that they're neither right nor wrong since they're incomprehensible.

      Next time, before you let loose your trail of turds on the internet, read up just the tiniest fraction about what you're trying to talk about. That way you won't appear to be such a raging wankmoster of shit.

    8. Re:Not all officials are bad by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      They weren't conservative however they, like most current "conservatives" in America, where right-wing as all fucking hell.

      Conservative/Liberal and Left/Right are fairly orthogonal traits.

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    9. Re:Not all officials are bad by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      This is spot on. They were socialists who didn't like the Communists. Pro-Union, as long as you didn't try to leave the union, progressive by 1930s definitions (pro-eugenics, pro-abortion for undesirables, anti-abortion for the ruling ethnic group, living wage).

      The Nazis and Italian Fascists were not "right" they are leftists.

    10. Re:Not all officials are bad by Improv · · Score: 1

      I think you're confused about history - the Nazis were primarily recruited out of the Freikorps and found the socialists (SPD and leftwards) profoundly threatening to German society. They sold themselves to the German public as being the best hope against socialism. They never were "best buds" or even remotely friendly. Philosophically, the Nazis were reading Herder while the SDP were reading Voltaire (well, not exactly Voltaire, but you get the picture).

      I don't think "liberal" or "conservative" apply very easily to political philosophies so alien to modern ones -- we'd be making a huge mistake considering either the Nazis to be close to Republicans or the SPD to the Democrats - Fascism and Socialism have always been minority philosophies in the US.

      I don't think even your definition of the left versus the right is adequate - left and right are relational and more traditionally represent the forces of novelty versus tradition on any issue. If we move back to the time of the founding fathers, the Federalists were considered right-wing (conservative) and the Democratic-Republicans left-wing (liberal) despite the issues you mention hardly even being on the radar - they were considered such because the Federalists wanted a government that was more in line with European traditions while the D-R wanted to experiment with new social forms that emerged from contemporary philosophy. It took quite some time before we even settled on democracy and market systems.

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    11. Re:Not all officials are bad by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      Any attempt to classify all political views along a simple left-right access will get some things badly wrong, because things just aren't that simple.

      Here's one example of trying to open things up:
      http://www.politicalcompass.org/

      although of course you can add as many dimensions as there are different things to hold political views about.

    12. Re:Not all officials are bad by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      They were best buds with the 1920s Communists, who were leftists. The Nazis did eventually have a "family squabble" with the communists

      Freikorps - what later became the core of Nazi party, supplying it with most of rank-and-file - were vehement enemies of communists, in 1920 and beyond. Indeed, they were the ones who are primarily responsible for suppressing the communist revolution of 1918-19 in Germany!

      As well, NSDAP before Hitler was very different (and extremely insignificant) compared to NSDAO under Hitler, and he was always strongly anti-communist (in his mind, marxism was a plot for jewish world domination).

    13. Re:Not all officials are bad by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Why do people keep called the National Socialist German Workers Party (Natzis) conservatives?

      Oh, and to answer the actual question: because a lot of their values were conservative, especially compared to liberalism (in all senses) of Weimar Germany, which was ahead of many european countries in that. This includes things such as family values.

      Of course, for that, you'll have to understand that politics and political labels aren't all just about economic policies, and there is much more to them.

    14. Re:Not all officials are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty simple: Cameron will be forced to govern moderately and with lots of consensus-building until it looks like he should arrange for a general election he is likely to win. If he does the former properly, he'll pick up enough MPs to have a solid majority Tory-only government; the latter will require some finesse or perhaps throwing a cat in among the LibDem pigeons forcing them to be the "bad guys" walking out of the coalition.

      The major risk is that Tories are very good at finding and shooting their own feet, especially during election campaigns.

      Canada has a strangely similar recent history: the Liberals were in power for a long time, their top finance minister reallllly wanted to be Prime Minister and forced his predecessor out. Unlike Brown, Martin went through with the snap election after becoming Prime Minister, and won himself a minority (down from a huge majority). The subsequent election installed the Conservatives (a Tory is a Tory is a Tory is a Tory) with a slim minority and no hope for a strategic coalition, so Harper was forced to govern moderately and do tactical deals with the various opposition parties (and dare the others to force an election he likely would win).

      Tories in Canada are also good at aiming at their feet and blowing them off, so the election that should have gained a large Tory majority ended up returning almost identical results -- another Tory minority. If an election were held today, the same numbers would probably come up.

      It is possible we'll see something like this in the UK too, with the LibDems and Labour being afraid of a Tory majority (the LibDems will surely lose a lot of votes next time, the Conservatives if they aren't stupid in office will surely pick up some votes, and Labour may be busy infighting in the wake of a leadership struggle or otherwise not a strong contender for government) and so the coalition may last a while, until Cameron finds a way to pull the plug, or until the coalition expires. At that point, surely the election would be the Tories' to lose (assuming that FPTP is still in place, and the Conservative party doesn't split again). However one could reasonably expect the Tories to be worried about another hung parliament with the Conservatives just a few seats shy of an outright majority.

      Finally, the "liberal Conservatives" (Harper, Cameron) are just wearing masks. Lots of stuff will leak out around the edges. Creepy reactionary axe-grinding stuff. You won't be unnerved for too long, I wager.

  5. Poppycock! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

    What a load of Wiff-Waff!

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  6. How long will Digital Britain last? by Landak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To the joy of nerds everywhere in the UK, it seems like the Digital Britain bill might not last very long with the current Government.

    Whether or not Cameron and the conservatives can splinter away from Murdoch enough to let this happen remains to be seen, but I am currently naive enough to be genuinely optimistic about the results of having liberals in power for the first time in over a century.

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    1. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Rogerborg · · Score: 0

      Please note: anyone who seeks and obtains the power to tell others what to do is axiomatically not a liberal. While Clegg was off waffling about Freedom Acts and devolving power, Cameron was actually busy eviscerating the 1922 committee and centralising power to his cabal. Stalin in a cycle helmet.

      Remember also that the real power in the land always was, and always will be, Sir Humphrey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO, MA (Oxon).

      So while Clegg blubbers FREEEEEDOM for the 6 months their coallition will hang together, Cameron will get on with the real business of Government: manoeuvring Old Boys into long term positions of power.

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    2. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don’t seem to know how politicians work:
      1. Do a couple of speeches or something in front of whoever you want to take over.
      2. “Promise” some things, anything, doesn’t matter if it’s even physically possible, let alone sensible, that those people really want.
      3. Link whatever you (or rather your “shareholders”) want as a precondition to that promise.
      4. Use the people to get that precondition trough in parliament.
      5. Forget about the original “promise”.
      6. Find a “scandal” (something those people really do not want) to get them to hate the opposition again, be distracted and forget about what you did.
      7. Rinse, repeat.

      Real professionals make up the things, that those people think they want, themselves. E.g. by inventing non-existing dangers with the use of their media outlets. This also makes it much easier to void the “promise”, since you don’t need to fix something that never existed in the first place. Your “promise” already was fulfilled from the start.

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    3. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by mrrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm currently sitting in a park in London, using free wifi. It's 25C and there are very nearly naked people tanning themselves all around.

      If the alternative is your unsubstantiated pessimism then I'll probably stay here, thanks.

    4. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      And why the heck is your webcam still not on and streaming live pics?

      So very typical. Using what's provided for free but not giving back to the community.

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    5. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the results of having liberals in power for the first time in over a century.

      Depends what you mean by "in power". They were an uninfluential part of a ruling coalition in WWII.

    6. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 4, Funny

      The primary problem with naked people in Britain is that they're usually British people.

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    7. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If that was true, no public works project in the last 100 year would ever have gotten done.

      Here is a clue: It's a little more complex then you think.

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    8. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary problem with naked people in Britain is that they're usually British people.

      It's the same problem in Italy, where the women are hotter.

    9. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'm currently sitting in a park in London, using free wifi. It's 25C and there are very nearly naked people tanning themselves all around..

      Dammit, when did the augmented reality technology make such advances? I must have missed something. Where do I buy the glasses?

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    10. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mots people would settle for just moving Wales.

    11. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In London? No - theyr'e usually not British :P

    12. Re:How long will Digital Britain last? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Protip: It is generally assumed that a little half-joking “algorithm” does not describe the physics of a complex interaction dynamic in real life in every detail of its entirety. ;)

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  7. Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought open WiFi was illegal in the EU?

    1. Re:Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? by tapanitarvainen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought open WiFi was illegal in the EU?

      Certainly not. There are several cities in EU with city-wide open WiFi, including Oulu in Finland (http://www.panoulu.net/).

    2. Re:Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Not the EU per se, but there has been a verdict (IIRC /. reported it) in Germany where a person was convicted because he didn't seal his AP and it was used for copyright infringment.

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    3. Re:Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      including Oulu in Finland

      But are there any non-fictional places offering it?

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  8. Wireless London - a step forward? by ScaledLizard · · Score: 1

    I agree that wires can be dangerous to your health when you stumble over them, but are they really ready to run all systems from battery and recharge using induction?

    Sorry, couldn't refuse...

    1. Re:Wireless London - a step forward? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Also in the news, after promising WiFi net access, he followed up promising WiFi power.

      Asked how he wants to do it he replied "Huh? Why not? My advisor told me there's other computer thingamajigs that are powered via their network, why shouldn't that work with the WiFi ... computer stuff?"

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  9. Telstra Australia had a similar plan by qwerty8ytrewq · · Score: 1

    I recall Telstra Australia coming up with a plan to put WIFI in all the old payphone booths, instead of junking them beacuse everyone was going to mobiles (but may now swing back, thaks to cancer concerns). I don't know if it took off or not. Any other readers know?

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    1. Re:Telstra Australia had a similar plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In Sweden many Telia (old Televerket= state monopoly) phonebooths had wifi installed. You need an account to use them, so while it's "public" it's not like anyone can use them at any time for free. I have the service included in my iPhone plan (at a cost of 0 SEK), but I've never bothered to connect to one.

  10. Spy camera infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have to build out the wireless network to feed back the images from the new security camera on every lamppost anyway..

  11. Great idea Boris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not install the first ones around the Highbury and Kings Cross areas...

  12. He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone in England thinks he is a buffoon, who still somehow manages to earn a very high salary indeed as an editor, get his government pay and somehow won the election for Major from Ken Livingston (who himself was an outsider, a left wing socialist who ran against his own party candidate when right wing "labour" Tony Blair was still somewhat popular).

    Search for "boris hignfy" on youtube, seriously funny stuff. The guy gets away with gaffs that people have torn Bush and Blair apart for. NO journalist even dares to jump on any slight mis pronunciation or botched fact Boris makes. It is BRILLIANT. He has given himself a license to say what he wants to say and not have to worry about weighing every word on a silver platter. Nobody will ruin his career because he "claimed to have invented the internet" or he mixed up the date the US declared independence.

    Watch his appearances on the show and then realize he makes more money then you ever will.

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    1. Re:He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      he mixed up the date the US declared independence.

      I dunno, but to us Euros the date of American independence is not as important as for the US. Europe lost many colonies including Guinea-Boisseau.
      We cannot keep track of every single colony running away...

    2. Re:He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It seems to be a trend that we vote people into public offices that appear dumb or inept. Maybe the train of though is "he's just as much a douche as the other guy, but we might at least get a good laugh out of him once in a while".

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    3. Re:He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself, I was born, and am living in England and I don't think he's a buffoon. Please do your research properly next time!

  13. Berners-Lee invented the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTA "Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the internet, was a Londoner and “so we claim paternity of the internet”.

    ugh...It's embarrassing to be a Londoner with a Mayor that spouts out this kind of inaccurate tripe. Besides, everyone knows Al Gore invented the internet.

    1. Re:Berners-Lee invented the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

      Note, Al Gore never said he invented it. His actual claim, although badly phrased, was that he was instrumental in supporting the creation of the internet.

  14. Re:MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    Nah, parent was just being a smartass; not that I'm wrong, mind you.

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  15. Monitoring use by dexmachina · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would they be just the thing for people to use to infringe with impunity and anonymously bypass the chances of running foul of the Digital Economy Act?

    Not necessarily... there are ways of having public WiFi without letting everyone use it anonymously. Singapore has pretty much full coverage, but to use the public hotspots you need to create an account, and your account has to be tied to a cell phone number (with a confirmation text that you have to respond to). Now I'm sure a clever person could find ways around the system, but it's still just another barrier. I wouldn't be suprised if London did something similar- from TFA:

    Not only will this allow people walking the streets to access the wi-fi connections, but it will also allow local homes access too. This will most likely require some sort of payment, however, but may be significantly cheaper than current packages offered through internet service providers.

    If it's going to be payment system, then there has to be some sort of personal account that people can create (and the ability to individually monitor people can then be spun as an added bonus).

    1. Re:Monitoring use by Winckle · · Score: 1

      Interesting idea with the mobile phone thing. Are there any measures in place to stop people using pre-paid burner phones?

    2. Re:Monitoring use by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      yes, buying them requires presenting your national id.

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  16. Every lamp post to be a hot spot by bdwoolman · · Score: 1

    And every phone box to be a TARDIS.

    See you in the future Borya.

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  17. Better idea by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2, Funny

    Instead of investing money on this, they should have gotten better Olympic mascots. I mean, have you seen those weird assed things? What generic anime did they them out of? Wenlock and Mandeville, more like Angry and Creepy. They look like something you'd see pestering Scooby Doo.

    1. Re:Better idea by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Wenlock and Mandeville, more like Angry and Creepy. They look like something you'd see pestering Scooby Doo.

      They're tonties.

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  18. borris for prime minister by Pvt_Ryan · · Score: 1

    hell i'd actually vote for him. he cant do worse than brown and he is crazy enough that i like him.

  19. waxes lyrical? by coofercat · · Score: 1

    Boris 'waxing lyrical' goes something like this:

    Er, well, yes, you see it's about, oh she's locked me out, er, so yes, you see you can't, oh sorry I seem to have spilled, er, so as I was saying, yes, please could you pass me the, yes, it's all about how much, oh, this cloth is soaked, yes, it's about how much you can really, oh thank you, I'll just clean that up...

    (etc).

    In short, he's the ultimate politician: Talk lots, say nothing.

    As for free wifi - well, one wonders how this is really going to work. When we say 'free', so we mean 'after obtrusive registration', or 'free when you buy xyz' or what? When I think of 'free wireless', I think of an open hotspot I just tune to and get on the Intarwebs immediately. I suspect this won't be quite as easy as that.

    However, now I've been reminded open wifi is 'illegal', I'll go home and set one up immediately. I've even got a big aerial for maximum range and signal quality. I just need to work out QoS so I don't get flooded out of my own broadband connection.

  20. Here is how to do it by geekoid · · Score: 1

    1) Get your works people to design set up and instal wireless devices. Make it an access point with no hoops to jump through. Call it good.
    Here is how NOT to do it:
    Partner with smoen hoping to leverage it to make money through people connecting.

    That is what royally screwed Portland wi-fi. They partenerd witha company that want to sell an addition tier of faster service, wanted you to jump through there website, and generally made it too hard for most people to get onto.

    Thanks Matt Lamp for funking that up. It was good to see your ass going out the door.

    Had Portland designed the infrastructure and then did it themselves Portland would have open access.

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  21. 007 by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    "Free" London Wifi eh?

    I am sure there will be no spying or monitoring, and that all privacy will be maintained. They certainly won't use that connection to infiltrate your computer to search for illegal files such as movies and music!

    Though if they play the bond music every time you connect it might be worth it. That shit makes everything more exciting...

  22. He had a good head start in life by fantomas · · Score: 1

    Easy to come out on top when you've been to Eton and Oxford, been a member of the same exclusive private drinking club as the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequor, and have nobility as your ancestors.

    If social networking is as useful as it is supposed to be for getting you £250K jobs, this man is well connected...

    1. Re:He had a good head start in life by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      You get to be Mayor of London by being voted for by a majority of its population. Having gone to Eton and Oxford with David Cameron might be considered a liability in that situation.

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  23. Should be easy ... by esten · · Score: 1

    Just put a wireless router with every security camera best coverage ever.

  24. along with 4 cameras on every street corner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 for each direction of the intersection.

  25. Boris is what is known as a national treasure.... by Budenny · · Score: 2, Informative

    Boris is what is known as a national treasure in the UK. That is, someone whose utterances should be greeted with an amused smile of appreciation, but is sometimes, maybe a lot of the time, very much on target and right. But usually not conventionally right, right in a sort of coming out of left field way. Boris is as likely to be heard making comparisons to ancient history, complete with Latin or Greek quotations in the original, as to opine on Wifi. Don't take this stuff too seriously. On some things, like the subway, Boris will be crisp, matter of fact, to the point, and obviously correct when you think about it. On other things, like these here lamposts, all Londoners will know this is Boris being a national treasure, and smile indulgently. There is a code for when to take Boris seriously, which is most of the time, and when to take Boris as joking, which is some of the time, and when to take Boris as being a national treasure, as in the present instance. In this case all Londoners know that he is not to be taken all that seriously. There will be some wifi, and there will be some lamposts. But no, the whole of London will not be blanketed with open relays, and Boris, as soon as someone explains that to him, will see immediately that it is not on.

    How you have to see Boris, he is Mayor Koch, but in London. That is, he is like Koch was a real New Yorker, Boris is a real Londoner. The code is different, but its the same animal. Like Koch, he will get elected over and over again. He's what the Londoners think of as one of us. Though, of course, he is not at all one of us in any real sense. But he is a real Londoner, and people look through differences of class and education, and see that. As they looked through Koch's differences from them and knew they were looking at a real New Yorker.