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Microsoft Dynamics GP "Encrypted" Using Caesar Cipher

scribblej writes "Many large companies use Microsoft's Dynamics GP product for accounting, and many of these companies use it to store credit card numbers for billing customers. Turns out these numbers (and anything else in GP) are encrypted only by means of a simple substitution cipher. This includes the master system password, which can be easily selected and decrypted from the GP database by any user. Quoting: '[Y]ou DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ACCESS TO THE DYNAMICS DATABASE. What that means is if you create a base user in GP, that user can log into the SQL server and run a select statement on the table containing the "encrypted" GP System password. Not good.'" Update: 05/22 02:57 GMT by T : The original linked post has been revised in a few places; significantly, the following has been added as a correction: "By default, GP gives the user access to the DYNAMICS database but the user CANNOT login to the SQL server using SQL Enterprise Manager."

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  1. andnothingofvaluewaslost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The weakness of encryption is justified by the non-importance of the asset it protects.

    1. Re:andnothingofvaluewaslost by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From TFS:

      Many large companies use Microsoft's Dynamics GP product for accounting, and many of these companies use it to store credit card numbers for billing customers.

      Sorry, if you're actually going to say that a lot of consumer credit cards aren't valuable or important, you're going to have to provide just a teensy bit more justification.

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    2. Re:andnothingofvaluewaslost by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have the displeasure of working with Great Plains regularly, and this isn't surprising at all.

      A couple of points for the panic stricken:

      1. Great Plains uses SQL logins and it hashes the passwords of users created from within GP. Since 9.0, it salts this hash using the sql server name. A GP user other than sa can NOT login to SQL Enterprise Manager with their GP credentials. That encryption has NOT been broken (yet). (That WOULD be a real problem.)

      2. The ability to decrypt the System password is useless if you can't query the system password from the database. If your users have the ability to query any table in the database directly, then you have a bigger problem than weak encryption.

      3. GP overlays role and task based security on top of the SQL login mechanism. Having the decrypted System Password is less useful if your application user doesn't have the ability to reach the User Setup or Security Options menus. These menus should be turned off for everyone not in the GP PowerUser role.

      Is this great for GP? No. Neither is it the harbinger of the apocalypse.

      -ellie

  2. obligatory by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

    et tu brutus?

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    1. Re:obligatory by XanC · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need to use the vocative case there, not the nominative.

    2. Re:obligatory by Kilrah_il · · Score: 5, Funny

      And to make it clearer:

      [Brian is writing graffiti on the palace wall. The Centurion catches him in the act]
      Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
      Brian: It says, "Romans go home. "
      Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
      Brian: Er, "Romanus" !
      Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?
      Brian: Er, er, "Romani" !
      Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" !
      Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt".
      Centurion: So, "eunt" is...?
      Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go".
      Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...?
      [He twists Brian's ear]
      Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
      Centurion: Which is...?
      Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" !
      Centurion: How many Romans?
      Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" !
      Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it?
      Brian: Dative !
      [the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
      Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" !
      Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
      Brian: Er, "Domum" !
      Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
      Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
      Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

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    3. Re:obligatory by ari_j · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a good Latin lesson to help with this type of difficulty: Romanes Eunt Domus.

    4. Re:obligatory by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "You need to use the vocative case there, not the nominative."

      ie; "Brute." (pronounced "Brut-AY"
      Getting back to the main story, let me add "Doh!" That's a major back door. And Microsoft, wanting to be our gatekeepers in so many ways and even with this big security initiative they've been trying to get everyone to believe they are on, is just sort of sluffing it off with their usual sheepish "Well, its not likely to actually happen." nonsense.

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  3. But... by the_one_wesp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ohg vg'f jnl zber frpher gung jnl

    1. Re:But... by the_one_wesp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree with this being off topic. Perhaps, though, if /.ers are too hasty to recognize a quick rot13, that justifies why MS thinks they can do the same with their products... o.O

    2. Re:But... by jgreco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess the question is, how many people even know what rot13 is these days?

      I mean, really, my rot13 script's nearly 20 years old and I'll bet I use it less than once a year these days...

      % ls -l bin/script/rot13
      -rwx------ 1 jgreco user 64 Nov 11 1991 bin/script/rot13*
      %

    3. Re:But... by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ohg vg'f jnl zber frpher gung jnl

      But it's way more secure that way

      (mad cryptoquote skillz)

    4. Re:But... by Dancindan84 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, kids these days are using rot26 instead. Twice as secure.

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  4. I have a fix for this. by 2names · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should hire some of them "too smart for their own good" Googlers.

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  5. Incredible. by gorzek · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, this Microsoft product uses what amounts to the same "encryption" that the CVS pserver protocol uses. Hilarious.

    1. Re:Incredible. by gorzek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, that's what I mean. pserver is insecure and never pretends to be anything more than it is--a barebones security mechanism that won't thwart anyone with a genuine interest in stealing passwords. All it would do is keep someone from *accidentally* seeing somebody else's password if they were monitoring network traffic. That's about it.

      That Microsoft is using basically the same thing to secure a corporate accounting system that holds genuinely sensitive data is both terrifying and laughable.

  6. Re:::gasp:: by DavidR1991 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, but this isn't a security flaw due to an oversight or simple mistake. This is a massive downright idiotic flaw! How the HELL did this make it into a product?

  7. Most ERP systems do not have the data encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know if this is any news at all. Most ERP systems do not have the data in the database encrypted at all. You should never give any direct access to your ERP database to anybody. If absolutely necessary, just create a view in another DB schema and give a read access to it only to selected users (so they could access for example the inventory information useing excel/access).

    1. Re:Most ERP systems do not have the data encrypted by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The news here is they were claiming to be using encryption, but really were not. Regardless of whether or not encryption is needed in the first place, you don't mislead your customers like that.

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    2. Re:Most ERP systems do not have the data encrypted by Unordained · · Score: 3, Informative

      You should never give any direct access to your ERP database to anybody

      That's slight overkill. I would encourage you to create proper database users, and grant them select/update/insert/delete rights only as appropriate. If you need per-column permissions, create views that hide those columns, and if they need read/write access, provide instead-of triggers on those views to support their needs.

      The main reasons I would encourage you not to let users have direct access:

      1) Users don't know what they're seeing, they don't know which lookup tables to join to, or they don't understand how the data's organized. They'll write their own reports, come to the wrong conclusions, convince management of their erroneous beliefs, and you'll have to clean up the mess. "I got my data from the database" shouldn't be good enough.

      2) Most ERP products (really, most database-backed products) are not built to keep themselves truly logically consistent without the help of some outside application layer. There are lots of reasons for that: developers are taught that databases are just for storage, they don't want to learn procedural SQL, they're trying to be database-agnostic the only way they know how, ... Giving users write access means they can easily get all the data out of synch (I don't just mean foreign keys here, thank you) by performing only half of a complex operation the application layer would have guaranteed fully done.

    3. Re:Most ERP systems do not have the data encrypted by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes but this is GP we are talking about there really is no "Application Server" the clients all connect to the database! The users running the client therefore must have access to connect to the database and do DML queries on many objects. Any users that actually need to run the application and not some limited web front end you have built or something are SQL users. The only real workaround is to only allow database connections from selct hosts and have one of those hosts be a terminal server. The best part is the GP application has lots bugs when running under terminal services!

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  8. My encryption method... by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Funny

    I figure that the variation of Caesar Cipher, ROT13, was easy to decipher so for maximum security, I always run it through the ROT13 encoder twice before I send it. Hell, I'm encoding this message in that method now so it will have to take a bit of cunning for you to read this comment. So if you've managed to read this, congratulations, you are qualified to work in Microsoft's security department.

    1. Re:My encryption method... by Cylix · · Score: 3, Funny

      It took me a while, but I managed to decode your message.

      Confirm the following transmission, "Snape kills Dumbledore."

      The ramifications are going to be industry wide if this is true!

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  9. If a wordpress site dies and noone is around? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a text only cache of the page.

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  10. Full Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry... I didn't expect /. to pick this up, and didn't really warn Chris Kois that I'd submitted it. My fault.

    Below is the original article:

    I use the term "encryption" loosely in this article. As you read on, you'll realize why...

    I've been doing some work on a plugin for Microsoft Dynamics GP, which is an accounting system aimed at Medium sized to Large businesses. To give you an idea of what type of application this is: There are companies that pay somewhere around $10,000-$15,000 to consultants or VARS (Value Added Resellers) to implement a Microsoft Dynamics GP solution for their business. Many of the VARs have their own plugins and solutions for Microsoft Dynamics GP, usually written in .NET or Dexterity. The process of installing and maintaining GP is an industry all it's own and it's not cheap for a company to maintain this accounting system.

    I've been searching for the "encryption algorithm" or at least some way other way to "encrypt" data in GP in some other way than within Dexterity code. I was really hoping that there would be some .NET library that would do this for me, but I was never able to find anything that would help me do this. So, I became interested in what type of "encryption" this is. Somewhere (I can't remember where) I found something that indicated that the it's a symmetric key encryption algorithm. The message boards were not much help either. Anywhere I went, I basically saw this same type of statement, "the encryption algorithm is a closely guarded secret".

    Today, while doing some testing, I noticed something with data that we were saving to a field which utilizes the GP "encryption". The plugin I was testing puts data in an encrypted field (not that it needs to because it's not sensitive in nature), and I was testing with the same values each time. As I would expect, I saw the same data stored in the field in the database for each row in the table. However, I noticed that one of the entries was different, by 2 characters. That seemed very odd to me. After looking at it some more and conducting some more tests, it looks like I simply miskeyed my test data, but it prompted me to take another look at this.

    After trying a couple different combinations of test data, it became very obvious that changing only one character in the test data appeared to only alter 2 characters of the encrypted data. So I ran through a battery of tests, and came up with this:

    Yep, it's basically your run-of-the-mill Substitution cipher. The worst part, there's evidence all over the place that this was a VERY weak encryption algorithm for awhile, but nobody seemed to pay any attention to it when people were asking how they could reset passwords of users in the database (Post 1 - Post 2)

    I did some more searching, because there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW THIS... I found a good write up on the MSDN blogs that explains pretty well how the GP encryption was used (here).

    The article is evidence to support a theory that I have, which is after GP moved to SQL server authentication, the encryption method didn't seem to be needed any longer so they never replaced. I don't know if the word was released to developers and integrators that the "encryption algorithm" wasn't ideal for storage of sensitive information, but I don't know how many plugins or customizations use it either.

    EXCEPT.... Microsoft still uses it for their GP system password, which is the password needed to get to the Security Roles/Tasks and all the User Security related forms while in GP. What's even worse, if you create a new user, you have to give the user explicit rights to the company or companies you want the user to access, but you DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ACCESS TO THE DYNAMICS DATABASE. What that means is if you create a base user in GP, that user can log into the SQL server and run a select statement on the table containing the "encrypted" GP System password... Not good...

    I created a

    1. Re:Full Article by mpolino · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm a Microsoft MVP for Dynamics GP and this line "What that means is if you create a base user in GP, that user can log into the SQL server and run a select statement on the table containing the "encrypted" GP System password... " is completely false. GP users can't log in to SQL using their GP passwords. The article doesn't state a version being used. On some older versions it was possible to chose to allow a user to access SQL with their GP login. This is not possible on any of the supported versions of Dynamics GP. Additionally, the System password referred to has always been a second line of defense. Security has to be given to a particular window in the application before GP even asks for the System password. Relying on the System password alone for security has never been a best practice. There are a number of other areas where the writer confuses different types of passwords and security in Dynamics GP making it clear that he's never actually used the application to understand how differnt passwords and settings interact to provide security. Mark

    2. Re:Full Article by svallarian · · Score: 3, Informative

      About your AD comment, it's been brought up, but AD isn't the be-all-end-all of security.

      From:
      http://blogs.msdn.com/developingfordynamicsgp/archive/2009/12/09/do-we-really-want-windows-authentication-for-microsoft-dynamics-gp.aspx

      "One major drawback to switching authentication modes is audit trails. AX and SL have made the move from SQL auth to Windows Auth. In doing so, they destroyed the audit trail at the database level. All DB updates are made by one user making it a massive challenge to determine who made a change to financial data. Many of the AX and SL companies we work with get dinged for this in each audit."

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  11. My guess is ITAR, the market and standards by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that long ago, competent security was a criminal offense to export. It still is, unless the code is Open Source (and we all know how Microsoft loves Open Source). The practical difference between a Caesar cipher and DES is that the Caesar cipher is faster so more transactions can be performed. You could do more leaving things in plain-text, but regulations usually require encryption of some sort for this kind of data. However, those same regulations don't usually stipulate any particular strength of encryption, so Caesar becomes ideal. The high throughput will sell better and the absence of security means it evades export controls. You end up with the largest possible market.

    If there was a recognized, official (or even semi-official) standard API and ABI for cryptography libraries, ITAR would be less of an issue. You could swap out any crypto library in any product and swap in an alternative. You could then use any crypto library (and therefore any crypto algorithm) you liked.

    If standards better-mandated what level of security was required, weak algorithms would never be used. No corporation would dare risk the penalties and so no vendor would dare supply soft crypto.

    The market's preference for high throughput is perfectly reasonable, but it is often unwilling to invest in security - which is why there are so many issues of this kind. If corporations were more willing to invest in securing their systems, say by using hardware crypto engines to get the high throughput they needed, they would be able to use essentially bullet-proof algorithms without harming the amount of data they could manage.

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  12. PCI-DSS by realxmp · · Score: 4, Informative

    And storing credit card details in this way is in direct violation of the PCI-DSS which as a merchant the companies will have attested that they are in compliance with. If they get caught or worse leak data then there are severe financial penalties.

    1. Re:PCI-DSS by blincoln · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't believe that PCI mandates "good" encryption, just encryption.

      As of 1.1 (the only document I have handy), the requirement is "Strong cryptography, such as Triple-DES 128-bit or AES 256-bit". I'm sure it only got more stringent after that.

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  13. Microsoft's latest encryption by theskunkmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

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  14. Re:::gasp:: by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft Dynamics GP used to be Great Plains Software. It was purchased by Microsoft in 2001.

    The security is a relic of the program originally created by Great Plains Software. Although Microsoft should have fixed this, it was never Microsoft's idea in the first place.

    MS is working on integrating GP with Active Directory.

    I'm all for MS Bashing, but seriously...

    Who do people blame for Flash? Adobe...but it was Macromedia (or SmartSketch if you want to go way back) that unleashed the plague upon the human race...

  15. Re:::gasp:: by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether the folks at Microsoft wrote this themselves, or whether they instead paid $1.1 billion for this software 9 years ago it is still pretty much the same thing. Either way this makes the folks at Microsoft look like amateurs. This is precisely the sort of thing that only closed source proprietary software can get away with.

  16. Re:Not a substitution cipher by dave562 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoever coded the "encryption" routine really dropped the ball. SQL Server supports AES encryption on individual fields. The first result of a Google search for "sql server field encryption" points to an MSDN article with code examples of how to use AES-256 encryption.

    How do these things keep happening? There have to be mistakes on so many levels. Whoever developed the spec obviously was clueless. The person who coded the spec was probably clueless, and/or didn't have the authority to do things the right way. The tools to make these applications secure are available. You'd think that a Microsoft coder using a Microsoft database could use the Microsoft solution properly.

    The more I deal with corporate America and the people who find themselves in charge of projects, the more I believe that competence really is a Bell curve with the center of the curve being INCOMPETENT, the far left is DISABLED. How do these people sleep at night? The only thing that I can figure is that they really are ignorant. If I do something half assed, it bugs me. It keeps me up at night. So either these people just don't give a rats ass and are working in a culture that lacks accountability, or they are completely ignorant and are working in a culture that lacks accountability. A friend of mine once told me, "Most people don't do the right thing because it is the right thing. They do the right thing because they fear the consequences of getting caught doing the wrong thing." Every where I look in society, there are fewer and fewer consequences.