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Decency Group Says "$#*!" Is Indecent
The Parents Television Council says the "$#*!" in the title of the upcoming CBS show $#*! my dad says is indecent. From the article: "'CBS intentionally chose to insert an expletive into the actual name of a show, and, despite its claim that the word will be bleeped, it is just CBS's latest demonstration of its contempt for families and the public,' declared PTC President Tim Winter. 'There are an infinite number of alternatives that CBS could have chosen, but its desire to shock and offend is crystal clear in this decision.'" By this logic Qbert was the filthiest game ever made.
First $#*!
no matter what you do some bed-wetting crybaby is going to bitch about it, so just ignore them and continue with what you want to do.
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
CSI shows chest cavaties that have been ripped open. Law and Order discussed horrible sex crimes. But heaven forbid you say a naughty word!
Didn't South Park already cover this?
Living With a Nerd
Are these people so repressed that even the suggestion of a "naughty word" is enough to get them complaining ?
Have they really got nothing better to do with their time ?
I thought the Puritan movement died out in the 17th century, obviously I was wrong.
How have they missed the fact that "Shit My Dad Says" is the title of the source material? Complaining that CBS chose to "insert" the word into the title makes them look like the people who were horrified that New Line Cinema decided to use an obvious 9/11 reference in the sequel to "Fellowship of the Ring"..."The Two Towers."
(All that said, I could have sworn I read somewhere that CBS had retitled the TV show as "Stuff My Dad Says," but I guess I misremembered.)
completely agree. I know you can't please everyone, but people today just seem to go looking for things to complain about.
Not that I agree, but I understand where they are coming from.
If the 'F' word is banned in your school and the kids all of a sudden decide to say the word 'Squash' in lieu of the naughty word, eventually they become synonymous. Saying "Squash you, Mr. Teacher" is still potentially going to get you in trouble if the teacher knows what "Squash" means in that context.
So, the question really is, is the putting together of the letters F-U-C-K naughty, or the meaning and/or implied meaning of the word the naughty bit?
If it's the latter, then _any_ substitution of the word still implies the word and carries the negative connotation along with it.
Again, I don't agree with it and frankly, I think all words should be allowed. It's all part of the language and any negative feelings you have to a word are _your_ problem.
Yeah cause you never hear people say "shit" or much worse in about any situation I have ever been in during my life. I heard it at my Catholic primary school. This is what happens when "Christians*" live in little gated communities and become completely out of touch with reality and the wider community.
* I am a Christian. Most of the people that whine about this stuff aren't really Christians. They just believe in ritual and "decency", they seem to miss that Jesus was mocking this kind of Pharisaical behaviour. Well actually they generally miss most of what Jesus said or at least fail to apply it.
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Fine, then remove $#*! and put back the word "Shit". If they're going to be offended anyway, might as well make it count.
bah.
And all you do is complain about it on Slashdot, which is why your opinion goes unheard.
Meanwhile, they get out their letter writing campaigns, their phone calls to senators, whatever it takes. Which is why they end getting listened to.
Frankly, I don't think the people at the FCC really care. If it were up to them alone, we would have swearing and nudity all over TV by now. But there are people who really do care, and they make a concerted effort to have their opinion heard. That is why they are listened to.
And really, that's kind of how it should be. If a small group of people really really cares about something, and the rest of us don't care too much, it's basic social wisdom to compromise in favor of the people who really do care. That's true in all human relationships, not just at the national level.
Qxe4
I block channels with religious programming, because I don't care to see it. If you are too sensitive to allow yourself to be exposed to implied vulgarity, feel free to block the channels that offend your delicate sensibilities.
Here's the gaff; YOU AREN'T CBS's CUSTOMER. Advertisers are. CBS is quite expert at attracting viewers. If you don't like their content, by all means DON'T WATCH IT.
This really isn't a difficult concept.
-Peter
What's really offensive is that, in this day and age, we can't just say "shit" when we mean "shit". Queen Victoria may not be amused, but the Victorian age has been over for a long, long time.
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I do not think that adults who still talk to invisible friends have any right to make decisions for the rest of us.
You're part of the problem, you know. You've now set expectations such that "boys will be boys" and that the girls should just expect boys to behave like gutter trash and learn to live with it.
If you held "boys" to as high a standard for their behaviors as you seem to set for "girls" then you might be working to get the world to this neo-Victorian attitude that you seem to want to live with.
Personally, I think the Victorians were a bunch of overly-repressed fuckers whose hypocrisy is almost unmatched in the history of the world, and I'd hate to see us revert back to it. Even the hypocrisy of 1950's USA is tame in comparison. I actually think we're better off as a culture if we're more open about shit. When you liberally sprinkle your fucking vocabulary with shit that other people think is taboo, eventually the words lose all their goddamn power to shock and offend and they become nothing more than motherfucking words - which is what they should be. The word "shit" as in the title of the show "Shit my Dad Says" is a word that means nothing more than fecal matter unless you've got a goddamn stick rammed so far up your ass it makes you walk funny.
But whatever - it's a free country. If you want to fight for neo-Victorian attitudes I say fucking go for it. Balls out, as they say.
What, girls can never be devious or sexually adventurous without the prodding of a boy? Are you living in 1955?
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
Please, give the puritan crap a rest. Women are just as filthy as men, perhaps more so.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
$ is probably the most violent symbol of all.
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You know, you're an asshole. I don't think I've ever started a post on Slashdot that way, and I really don't go in for name-calling, but you get the prize for driving me to it. You seem to have issues with males (I can't tell from your name whether you are one or not, but it's irrelevant), and you should be working through that yourself, not poisoning children's minds to share in your gender issues. No, BOYS will not drag girls into the gutter, some will, some won't. Just as some girls will be manipulative little monsters, and others won't. Shame on you for actively trying to damage these girls' outlook with regards to the other half of the population.
Great, another do-gooder who isn't affected by something, but feels compelled to "protect" everyone else. You appear to have mastered the use of the "off button" on your television, so instead of cheering for censorship, why not just help some other easily offended prats find it too, and quit telling others what they can and can't see on TV.
Some bring out the best in others, some the worst. Some bring out far more.
I find the bleeping indecent.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
I have a very close female friend who's out of sorts because she's always been told that her being sexually adventurous is bad, and that she shouldn't like sex. It tears her up inside, and she feels that she needs to hide that side of her from her friends and family. She feels that since she likes sex, she should feel like a whore.
It's assholes like you that did that to her. She's broken inside, and hell if I know if it's fixable.
Fuck society.
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Indeed - but since when is violence on TV not ok for the children?
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
accommodating them will only result in them seeking out more material to be offended at and widening their criteria for offensiveness.
Do you not understand that this is how everyone acts after a compromise? If not, you have utterly failed to understand how politics works. Abortion advocates and opponents both fight to push the law their way. They are not happy with the compromise that was achieved by Roe VS Wade. Neither side is. They will continue to push until things are the way they want.
It is that way with everything. Did free silver advocates stop when the silver buyback program was announced? No, the kept pushing for 16:1 for the next 50 years. Did the proponents of single-payer healthcare rest after medicare was announced? No, they kept pushing, as did their opponents. Find any issue that is controversial, and you will find that people keep pushing. Are you going to offer counseling to all of them? Because that will end up giving counseling to pretty much everyone, including you, who are pushing for your own personal viewpoint, and have essentially declared yourself as not willing to compromise.
On second thought, maybe it would help if everyone got counseling.
Qxe4
Where the person is wrong is that sex somehow deserves to be in the gutter.
And yet, you are speaking of a relationship "degrading" to sex from the supposedly ideal "platonic". How is that cognitive dissonance working out lately?
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
The idea that you teach in a religious school is frightening. You do realize that your lesson, as you described it, to those girls was in actuality:
1. Boys are inherently evil
2. Boys should be expected to try to make you evil too.
3. Girls are not inherently evil, but "catch" their evil from boys.
4. Girls should tolerate evil in order to interact with boys, but only up to their "tolerance" level.
ugh. Thanks for spreading your sick worldview and corrupting young minds.
If that isn't what you actually communicated to those children, then you were highly ineffective in communicating that in your post. Ineffective to such a degree that I would challenge your qualifications to "teach" much of anything.
Frankly, I don't care one way or the other about CBS or the use of language. Cursing is offensive only in that it is language intended to harm the reciever. For those who cry "it's just words", I counter that you are incredibly ignorant.
Words are a form of communication. Cursing, in earnest, at another person is an attempt to inflict emotional harm using verbal abuse. It is not appropriate to use it in jest, but people often do inappropriate things. I will not stand for someone else attempting to injure myself or my family, or innocent people for that matter, either emotionally or physically. So....beware who you curse at. Curse at me or at a child near me, and you will probably get a firm warning from me. Do it again and you are very likely to get a punch in the face, even if you think its harmless or funny.
Same as if you were yelling at some small child that they were fat, stupid, ugly, dirty, etc. I'm willing to stand in front of a jury for that...again.
Freedoms, such as the right of free speech, should never be put to a vote or otherwise abridged.
This is a naive view. If you feel that freedom of speech should never be abridged, take it up with the supreme court, who disagrees with you.
Essentially you have the right to say whatever you want, but not wherever you want. And that makes sense.
Qxe4
That's a nice, clinical description, which in the real world falls apart pretty quickly. Plenty of guys go out, spend the night flirting and have no intention of actually trying to have sex with anyone, and I've seen plenty of girls at my local bar who are looking to get laid and leave with a different guy every weekend. Those girls aren't poor innocent waifs who have been taken advantage of, they're adults who choose to have sex when they want to. There's also nothing wrong with what they're doing. Women are just as grown-up and competent as men when it comes to sex, and are perfectly capable of deciding whether they want to sleep with someone or not.
No they are not correct. Is it okay make them aware that some guys will lie and do what it takes to get them into bed? Sure. Is it okay to teach them that guys only want one thing, and it's in their pants? No, it is not. That's how you create a girl with problems with self confidence, and trust issues.
I have plenty of friends who are women, and there's absolutely nothing sexual about our relationships. They don't have to play gatekeeper to my uncontrollable desires, and I don't have to worry about them innocently falling prey to my sneaky male charms. That's the real world for ya, we really are more than just a collection of base instincts.
Some bring out the best in others, some the worst. Some bring out far more.
The "Parents Television Council" represents only their own bizarre agenda and its pretty insulting when they claim to represent all parents. But then they probably consider those who disagree with them as "not real parents" kind of like the wingnuts label anyone who disagrees with them "not real Americans".
THIS.
I don't know if you were being serious or not, but when someone hears, say, the word "fuck" in real life, most stable-minded individuals would not think a thing of it. It's just a word.
However, when you instead bleep it out, you are stating that that word is not just another word, it is something indecent and taboo that much be censored. In short, it's not the word "fuck" that is the issue, it's people who think the word "fuck" is the issue who are the real issue.
PS: I want to skullfuck the bastard who designed idle's CSS, particularly the retarded comment field. Seriously, just why...
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
If someone wanted to give me a million dollars, I would care a lot. If they did so by taking ten cents from every taxpayer and wasting most of the proceeds, you probably wouldn't care enough to write a letter to complain. Yet such proposals aren't "basic social wisdom", they're a reduction in total utility. They're also one of the practical defects with unlimited democracy.
Our own democracy was originally designed to have limited and decentralized powers to mitigate the consequences of such defects. The fact that we now have to debate over the definition of "decent" at the national level is part of the problem.
...If only there was this way to, you know, make sure that the content blasted onto a TV that I dislike isn't displayed on the screen or pumped through the speakers... A switch or knob, perhaps.... Hmmm,