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Decency Group Says "$#*!" Is Indecent
The Parents Television Council says the "$#*!" in the title of the upcoming CBS show $#*! my dad says is indecent. From the article: "'CBS intentionally chose to insert an expletive into the actual name of a show, and, despite its claim that the word will be bleeped, it is just CBS's latest demonstration of its contempt for families and the public,' declared PTC President Tim Winter. 'There are an infinite number of alternatives that CBS could have chosen, but its desire to shock and offend is crystal clear in this decision.'" By this logic Qbert was the filthiest game ever made.
Fuck the fucking fuckers!
no matter what you do some bed-wetting crybaby is going to bitch about it, so just ignore them and continue with what you want to do.
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
CSI shows chest cavaties that have been ripped open. Law and Order discussed horrible sex crimes. But heaven forbid you say a naughty word!
Didn't South Park already cover this?
Living With a Nerd
Kids should never be exposed to the symbols $#*!. They should have &^@%ed those symbols out.
Are these people so repressed that even the suggestion of a "naughty word" is enough to get them complaining ?
Have they really got nothing better to do with their time ?
I thought the Puritan movement died out in the 17th century, obviously I was wrong.
How have they missed the fact that "Shit My Dad Says" is the title of the source material? Complaining that CBS chose to "insert" the word into the title makes them look like the people who were horrified that New Line Cinema decided to use an obvious 9/11 reference in the sequel to "Fellowship of the Ring"..."The Two Towers."
(All that said, I could have sworn I read somewhere that CBS had retitled the TV show as "Stuff My Dad Says," but I guess I misremembered.)
completely agree. I know you can't please everyone, but people today just seem to go looking for things to complain about.
Not that I agree, but I understand where they are coming from.
If the 'F' word is banned in your school and the kids all of a sudden decide to say the word 'Squash' in lieu of the naughty word, eventually they become synonymous. Saying "Squash you, Mr. Teacher" is still potentially going to get you in trouble if the teacher knows what "Squash" means in that context.
So, the question really is, is the putting together of the letters F-U-C-K naughty, or the meaning and/or implied meaning of the word the naughty bit?
If it's the latter, then _any_ substitution of the word still implies the word and carries the negative connotation along with it.
Again, I don't agree with it and frankly, I think all words should be allowed. It's all part of the language and any negative feelings you have to a word are _your_ problem.
Yeah cause you never hear people say "shit" or much worse in about any situation I have ever been in during my life. I heard it at my Catholic primary school. This is what happens when "Christians*" live in little gated communities and become completely out of touch with reality and the wider community.
* I am a Christian. Most of the people that whine about this stuff aren't really Christians. They just believe in ritual and "decency", they seem to miss that Jesus was mocking this kind of Pharisaical behaviour. Well actually they generally miss most of what Jesus said or at least fail to apply it.
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is that the crankiest, dumbest, lamest voices are also the loudest voices, on any issue
this PTC group consists of a handful of assholes who have self-appointed themselves as spokespeople for the rest of us, for our common decency, when the only thing they represent is a small shrill fringe of intrusive overcontrollling twatstains
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Fine, then remove $#*! and put back the word "Shit". If they're going to be offended anyway, might as well make it count.
bah.
And all you do is complain about it on Slashdot, which is why your opinion goes unheard.
Meanwhile, they get out their letter writing campaigns, their phone calls to senators, whatever it takes. Which is why they end getting listened to.
Frankly, I don't think the people at the FCC really care. If it were up to them alone, we would have swearing and nudity all over TV by now. But there are people who really do care, and they make a concerted effort to have their opinion heard. That is why they are listened to.
And really, that's kind of how it should be. If a small group of people really really cares about something, and the rest of us don't care too much, it's basic social wisdom to compromise in favor of the people who really do care. That's true in all human relationships, not just at the national level.
Qxe4
What do the decency groups know about indecency?
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Are these decent? I'm sorry, you can't wash out the filth out of my brain ... you can try, but I see the a-style logo and I see what I see, because of the filth in *my* brain.
If you see the same ... well *giggle*
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
I block channels with religious programming, because I don't care to see it. If you are too sensitive to allow yourself to be exposed to implied vulgarity, feel free to block the channels that offend your delicate sensibilities.
Here's the gaff; YOU AREN'T CBS's CUSTOMER. Advertisers are. CBS is quite expert at attracting viewers. If you don't like their content, by all means DON'T WATCH IT.
This really isn't a difficult concept.
-Peter
"The PTC will wage an unrelenting campaign against every network advertiser that chooses to support this program; and in this instance, we will wage an unrelenting campaign against every local advertiser sponsoring the program at the affiliate station level," Winter warns.
And I will boycott any company that caves into these power hungry anti American pansies: against Free Speech = Anti American = Traitor.
And, I will put any company that tells these repressed sissies on the front of my purchasing list.
The PTC are a bunch of #^&@@*# and $&@((*$## swallowing ^$**##!
But PTC, because of the minority of people like you who can't take "harsh" words, I have stopped watching TV because it has become so infantilized to the point of being boring, vapid, and just a waste of time. Which is interesting because of those programs that are geared towards stupid people are perfectly fine to the PTC. The PTC likes stupid stuff and I guess that makes them stupid?
Never mind. I've wasted too much time thinking about those *&*@^# people at the PTC..
That's right Winter! I called you a *&^&*#$###! What are going to do about it you (*^(*(*@(*#**#####!!!
RIP America
July 4, 1776 - September 11, 2001
What's really offensive is that, in this day and age, we can't just say "shit" when we mean "shit". Queen Victoria may not be amused, but the Victorian age has been over for a long, long time.
Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
I do not think that adults who still talk to invisible friends have any right to make decisions for the rest of us.
You're part of the problem, you know. You've now set expectations such that "boys will be boys" and that the girls should just expect boys to behave like gutter trash and learn to live with it.
If you held "boys" to as high a standard for their behaviors as you seem to set for "girls" then you might be working to get the world to this neo-Victorian attitude that you seem to want to live with.
Personally, I think the Victorians were a bunch of overly-repressed fuckers whose hypocrisy is almost unmatched in the history of the world, and I'd hate to see us revert back to it. Even the hypocrisy of 1950's USA is tame in comparison. I actually think we're better off as a culture if we're more open about shit. When you liberally sprinkle your fucking vocabulary with shit that other people think is taboo, eventually the words lose all their goddamn power to shock and offend and they become nothing more than motherfucking words - which is what they should be. The word "shit" as in the title of the show "Shit my Dad Says" is a word that means nothing more than fecal matter unless you've got a goddamn stick rammed so far up your ass it makes you walk funny.
But whatever - it's a free country. If you want to fight for neo-Victorian attitudes I say fucking go for it. Balls out, as they say.
What, girls can never be devious or sexually adventurous without the prodding of a boy? Are you living in 1955?
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
Please, give the puritan crap a rest. Women are just as filthy as men, perhaps more so.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
You know, you're an asshole. I don't think I've ever started a post on Slashdot that way, and I really don't go in for name-calling, but you get the prize for driving me to it. You seem to have issues with males (I can't tell from your name whether you are one or not, but it's irrelevant), and you should be working through that yourself, not poisoning children's minds to share in your gender issues. No, BOYS will not drag girls into the gutter, some will, some won't. Just as some girls will be manipulative little monsters, and others won't. Shame on you for actively trying to damage these girls' outlook with regards to the other half of the population.
Great, another do-gooder who isn't affected by something, but feels compelled to "protect" everyone else. You appear to have mastered the use of the "off button" on your television, so instead of cheering for censorship, why not just help some other easily offended prats find it too, and quit telling others what they can and can't see on TV.
Some bring out the best in others, some the worst. Some bring out far more.
Since apparently they think $#*! is a word in the language, I guess there are an infinite number of alternatives: $, $%, $$%, $#%, ... I just it just depends on how many of them would be offensive ;-)
(Filter error: please use fewer 'junk' characters. I guess slashdot does find them offensive.)
The snow doesn't give a soft white damn whom it touches. -- ee cummings
CBS President: So let me get this straight - you're condemning the show for having "$#*!" in the title?
Head of PTC: Absolutely. It's clearly indecent!
CBS: And you've sent press releases to every news organization and major blog across the country affirming that this is your position?
PTC. That's right. And what are you going to do about it?
CBS: (stifles a giggle) What am I going to do? Cartwheels all the way back to the office!
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Prisencolinensinainciusol. Ol Rait!
I have a very close female friend who's out of sorts because she's always been told that her being sexually adventurous is bad, and that she shouldn't like sex. It tears her up inside, and she feels that she needs to hide that side of her from her friends and family. She feels that since she likes sex, she should feel like a whore.
It's assholes like you that did that to her. She's broken inside, and hell if I know if it's fixable.
Fuck society.
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
Just call the show "2 Girls 1 Cup". No one could say that name is indecent.
accommodating them will only result in them seeking out more material to be offended at and widening their criteria for offensiveness.
Do you not understand that this is how everyone acts after a compromise? If not, you have utterly failed to understand how politics works. Abortion advocates and opponents both fight to push the law their way. They are not happy with the compromise that was achieved by Roe VS Wade. Neither side is. They will continue to push until things are the way they want.
It is that way with everything. Did free silver advocates stop when the silver buyback program was announced? No, the kept pushing for 16:1 for the next 50 years. Did the proponents of single-payer healthcare rest after medicare was announced? No, they kept pushing, as did their opponents. Find any issue that is controversial, and you will find that people keep pushing. Are you going to offer counseling to all of them? Because that will end up giving counseling to pretty much everyone, including you, who are pushing for your own personal viewpoint, and have essentially declared yourself as not willing to compromise.
On second thought, maybe it would help if everyone got counseling.
Qxe4
Where the person is wrong is that sex somehow deserves to be in the gutter.
And yet, you are speaking of a relationship "degrading" to sex from the supposedly ideal "platonic". How is that cognitive dissonance working out lately?
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
The idea that you teach in a religious school is frightening. You do realize that your lesson, as you described it, to those girls was in actuality:
1. Boys are inherently evil
2. Boys should be expected to try to make you evil too.
3. Girls are not inherently evil, but "catch" their evil from boys.
4. Girls should tolerate evil in order to interact with boys, but only up to their "tolerance" level.
ugh. Thanks for spreading your sick worldview and corrupting young minds.
If that isn't what you actually communicated to those children, then you were highly ineffective in communicating that in your post. Ineffective to such a degree that I would challenge your qualifications to "teach" much of anything.
Frankly, I don't care one way or the other about CBS or the use of language. Cursing is offensive only in that it is language intended to harm the reciever. For those who cry "it's just words", I counter that you are incredibly ignorant.
Words are a form of communication. Cursing, in earnest, at another person is an attempt to inflict emotional harm using verbal abuse. It is not appropriate to use it in jest, but people often do inappropriate things. I will not stand for someone else attempting to injure myself or my family, or innocent people for that matter, either emotionally or physically. So....beware who you curse at. Curse at me or at a child near me, and you will probably get a firm warning from me. Do it again and you are very likely to get a punch in the face, even if you think its harmless or funny.
Same as if you were yelling at some small child that they were fat, stupid, ugly, dirty, etc. I'm willing to stand in front of a jury for that...again.
They have no less right to be listened to than you do. That's why we have processes and judges set up to figure out what will eventually end up happening. If you want to change things, go through the processes, just like they do. As someone around here commonly says, soapbox, ballotbox, ammo box. But the ammo box is only necessary when someone hijacks the process.
Qxe4
Freedoms, such as the right of free speech, should never be put to a vote or otherwise abridged.
This is a naive view. If you feel that freedom of speech should never be abridged, take it up with the supreme court, who disagrees with you.
Essentially you have the right to say whatever you want, but not wherever you want. And that makes sense.
Qxe4
$#*! ain't my god, and I feel very sorry for you if $#*! is your God. (The Bible Defines Swearing as Taking the Name of the Lord your God in Vain.)
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
That's a nice, clinical description, which in the real world falls apart pretty quickly. Plenty of guys go out, spend the night flirting and have no intention of actually trying to have sex with anyone, and I've seen plenty of girls at my local bar who are looking to get laid and leave with a different guy every weekend. Those girls aren't poor innocent waifs who have been taken advantage of, they're adults who choose to have sex when they want to. There's also nothing wrong with what they're doing. Women are just as grown-up and competent as men when it comes to sex, and are perfectly capable of deciding whether they want to sleep with someone or not.
No they are not correct. Is it okay make them aware that some guys will lie and do what it takes to get them into bed? Sure. Is it okay to teach them that guys only want one thing, and it's in their pants? No, it is not. That's how you create a girl with problems with self confidence, and trust issues.
I have plenty of friends who are women, and there's absolutely nothing sexual about our relationships. They don't have to play gatekeeper to my uncontrollable desires, and I don't have to worry about them innocently falling prey to my sneaky male charms. That's the real world for ya, we really are more than just a collection of base instincts.
Some bring out the best in others, some the worst. Some bring out far more.
Oh yeah?
Why is 'crap' not a bad word, then? Please explain the distinction between 'shit' and 'crap' for all of us. Likewise, the distinction between 'whiz', 'piss', and 'pee'.
And what the hell does toilet training have to do with anything? You're just trying to exclude 'childish' words like 'poop', but that's a rather idiotic slang distinction and doesn't have much to do with anything.
Likewise, the word 'sex', itself, is fairly new slang. The first recorded instance of it referring to intercourse is barely 80 years old, before that, it referred entirely to the distinction between male and female. It's from 'sexual intercourse', which actually meant 'intercourse with the parts of the body that differ between men and women'. Which poses some interesting etymological issues when speaking of 'gay sex', as that would be the opposite of sex, but whatever.
And yet nowadays we have judges talking about 'sex acts' and whatnot. (Which would technically mean 'acts that differ between the sex'.) Language changes. Slang changes to language, languages becomes outdated. Words become offensive, or acceptable.
And you really need to just accept that we just made up the damn distinctions. There seems to be a medical and legal exception, in that no matter what the word is, no one can actually complain if you're using those terms in that sense, but the rest of the distinction, the entire
Incidentally, bastard is a legal term. It's not used that often in the modern era because a) not a lot of law rely anymore on whether or not someone is born in wedlock (Inheritance law based on that actually was ruled unconstitutional in the US.), and b) it is gender specific. However, it is still a legal term, especially in places that do hereditary titles. (And note that's the least offensive term..the other term is, believe it or not, 'whoreson'.)
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
It is fixable, with therapy, lots of time and loving support from understanding friends and lovers.
She may have to move and re-create her life somewhere else.
Sex=shame is one of the most fucked up things invented in order to control women and take their power away.
A sexually empowered woman is a power to behold and scares many men shitless.
Sex=shame is one of the most fucked up things invented in order to control women and take their power away.
I think it has more to do with the higher responsibility women have with sex. Men can't get pregnant.
A sexually empowered woman is a power to behold and scares many men shitless.
A very fat woman as well. And more so in fact.
Damn rookie...let me fix that for you.
for deity in God Jehovah Allah Shen Bhagwan Vishnu Krishna Yahweh Elohim Jesus Satan Lucifer Zeus "L. Ron Hubbard"
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$#*! $deity
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The Wikipedia article cannot be titled properly, due to technical limitations in the wikitext;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleep_My_Dad_Says
Tolkien referenced the 'two towers' long before 9/11, so he clearly knew about the plot. Any fool can plainly see that he was behind the whole thing.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
(The Bible Defines Swearing as Taking the Name of the Lord your God in Vain.)
Taking the Lord's name in vain means swearing to God that something is true when you know it's not, or swearing to God that you'll do something and not doing it, or otherwise invoking God while swearing and oath, and then breaking the oath. There are a lot of misinformed Christians who are under the impression that it has something to do with using His name while uttering profanity, but that's merely because most Christians know diddly-squat about the Bible and what it actually says. The rule against taking the Lord's name in vain is basically ancient contract-law, and has never had anything to do with "swearing" in the sense of using profanity, only "swearing" in the sense of "swearing an oath".
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
Absolutely.
I'm willing to bet eternity that all religion is fascism wrapped in fairy stories.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You willing to risk spending the only life you get waiting around for the next one?
Bet? I'll do you one better. If the christian God as portrayed with his silly games is indeed the ruler of the hypothetical heaven, I can't imagine what could be worse than having to spend eternity basking in his arrogance.
Seriously, I'll settle for the fire and pitchforks...
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
If someone wanted to give me a million dollars, I would care a lot. If they did so by taking ten cents from every taxpayer and wasting most of the proceeds, you probably wouldn't care enough to write a letter to complain. Yet such proposals aren't "basic social wisdom", they're a reduction in total utility. They're also one of the practical defects with unlimited democracy.
Our own democracy was originally designed to have limited and decentralized powers to mitigate the consequences of such defects. The fact that we now have to debate over the definition of "decent" at the national level is part of the problem.
Also, the civilized world tends to believe a person is innocent until proven guilty. There are no crimes Lucifer can be proven to be guilty of. Actually, he can't be proven to be exist let alone guilty of anything.
...If only there was this way to, you know, make sure that the content blasted onto a TV that I dislike isn't displayed on the screen or pumped through the speakers... A switch or knob, perhaps.... Hmmm,