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Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx Benchmarked and Reviewed
tc6669 writes "Tom's Hardware just posted an interesting review of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. It includes an expanded set of OS benchmarks that they also performed on the previous LTS release (8.04), to see just how much the mainstream Linux distro has progressed in two years."
Better than the previous version: Ubuntu 10.03 Irrational Lynx
For a moment I thought it's a GUIfied lynx. :P
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
They totally changed the theme, lots of bugs closed, many apps have been changed, in short you have no idea what you are talking about.
is what matters to me... has anybody done reviewed that? all the reviews I've seen have been fresh installs...
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I never read Tom's any more, but maybe I'll start. I appreciate that they tracked down the cause of a performance regression between Hardy and Lucid. The only other site that routinely benchmarks Linux distributions is Phoronix, and those guys are prone to just throwing weird results out there with no explanation. The number of inexplicable, unrepeatable benchmark results posted over at Phoronix is huge and ever-growing. This benchmark from Tom's is much more useful.
I have four Guest Instances of 10.04 running alongside 9.10 under VirtualBox 3.2, no problems to report. You can see the difference especially in responsiveness vs. 9.10 in terms of app startup, system shutdown/startup and the GUI is definitely more polished. I did like the old "Human" motif better with 9.10 but for what I'm using it for, it's been solid.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
I'll wait until Linux Mint makes a release based on ubuntu:
I've been recommending it to friends as a nicer, friendlier, greener (yes, it's also Irish) Ubuntu that is not shy about providing support for proprietary video drivers and Adobe flash out of the box.
mint green > aubergine
I still run Debian testing on my primary box, though.
I did an upgrade and had almost no problems. I did have to re-config grub2 to dual-boot into Windows-7.
.gnome and .gnome2 folders. Holy cow, did that make a difference. The windows became so much more responsive and features that I didn't have, appeared (I can't remember what they are off the top of my head). So if you are having any problems with GNOME, delete those folders and enjoy. Keep in mind that you'll need to reset all GNOME-related settings such as the desktop picture, panels, and such.
After a couple of weeks, I did something that made my bottom panel disappear. I couldn't get it back, so I deleted my
Given the recent work on the integrated Intel graphics drivers it would have been nice to see some benchmarks. My impression is that it is better, but it would be nice to have some numbers.
i like how they just fucked with it until the unigine tropics benchmark finally made sense.
like the average person is going to know anything of the nvidia driver version and tweaking the compiz fusion config.
THL phish sticks
On my laptop the headphone jack sense was broken in 9.04 (jaunty) in various ways -- the internal speakers wouldn't mute when the headphones were plugged in or sometimes the internal speakers would go from muted to on after listening with headphones for ~10-20 minutes. IIRC from the help forums, there was a problem with how the developers built the package. I couldn't be bothered to try compiling the sound system myself since I could get by not needing realiable sound. Anyway, I'm looking forward to trying a live CD version of Lynx.
As I understand it, the final verdict of the review is that it really hasn't improved that much...
The last paragraphs of the review said:
The bottom line is that this operating system installed flawlessly on all five of our test systems. It also performed quite well, showing both significant and incremental improvements in most areas over the previous Long Term Support release. The stacked feature set, unparalleled ease-of-use, rock-solid stability, and heavy coat of polish make Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx the most approachable Linux OS to date.
So, it is without an ounce of trepidation that we are unseating the now one year-old Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope and calling Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx the desktop Linux distro king.
But it's a little bit in-between.
I do a fresh install, but maintain my /home partition as-is. I make my regular username my default root-accessible (via gksu/sudo) one, but then once I've installed, I create a new user named after the release (hardy, jaunty, lucid, etc.). Then, I log into my default account. Using the icons on my desktop, I then install my non-standard apps (audacity, gimp, vlc, easytag, nicotine, etc.).
Once I've basically got my computer up to where I was before, then I log into my version-specific account which creates a fresh profile, and I start to check out the differences - themes, feature updates, new defaults - for all my apps I regularly use. If I see anything I like, I hop over to my default profile and adjust. If I see anything I don't, then I just don't bother changing my current settings.
Has worked fantastic for my last 3 upgrades (please note that I never go with mid-release upgrades.... while the .04 series almost always include a ton of improvements, I find more often than not the .10 upgrades will break at least one thing).
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For the last several releases, Ubuntu has dealt very poorly with Intel video cards. Now to be fair, this isn't entirely their fault; they were impacted by the switch to DRI2, GEM, Modesetting, etc. However they haven't handled it gracefully. I have three systems -- HTPC (Dell Studio Hybrid), laptop (Lenovo SL400), and a netbook (Acer Aspire One) -- that use the i915 driver, and both 9.04 and 9.10 were horrible (no 3D acceleration, poor 2D performance, etc.). In fact 9.10 (and possibly 9.04) required me to pass a kernel parameter to disable modesetting (i915.modeset=0) to even get to a GUI to install.
I realize there were workarounds and hacks, to get reasonable performance from the Intel cards with the previous two releases, but nothing I found seemed simple or fully addressed the issue. This was largely due to some of the fixes requiring newer kernels and since Ubuntu isn't a rolling release distro, that would make fixing things much more difficult. My personal laptop (T400, also with a i915 video card) runs Gentoo, and I had fixed all the Intel video issues several months earlier.
Fortunately 10.04 seems to have gotten everything back to working well again, and hopefully all the changes will be worth it in the future.
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
#1 feature that has me blown away: full iPod Touch/iPhone support in Rhythmbox, without jailbreaking. Seriously, this was the one thing that kept me from buying an iPod touch for so long... I eventually decided to just bite the bullet and find _SOME_ fix that works... ultimately going with just using iTunes within Virtualbox. But then I hooked up my iTouch after upgrading to Lucid and was about to go launch Virtualbox and test that was still working fine... but saw my iTouch, with its designated name, listed in Rhythmbox....
I'm sitting there going, "No.... they didn't...." so I try to drag one of the songs in my library over to my iPod.... and boosh! They did!
Only problem I found though was that when I moved a couple tracks over that had "Unknown" as album title, it actually made everything else with "Unknown" as the album title inaccessible on the iPod. seems though this only has to do with stuff that was added via iTunes... so if I remove the song and then re-add it in rhythmbox, it's perfectly fine.
It's a bit of a weird bug, but easily worked past, and now means that I no longer need to keep going into Windows/iTunes to load stuff onto my iPod. Great jerb!
Also, while I'm not a _huge_ fan of the new default theme (window control buttons on the right pls) I did end up picking one of the new themes that suited my tastes, and I honestly am not looking back at all. I keep saying this every time I upgrade, but best linux yet.
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In general, and for me, Canonical has released the best version yet. Hopefully it will continue to just get better.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
I've noticed it to be running a little faster than 9.10 did, on my Lenovo IdeaPad S10... so... looks good :) And this is with all the bells and whistles turned on.
What do you mean? Sound magically works again, and stopped fading out into static after 10 seconds of use.
On the downside, there is now no obvious way to get a panel volume control applet. (sigh) At least I'm ahead on average!
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
Then also try deleting your .gconf .gconfd .metacity folders.
Since the only major performance improvement is from going EXT3 - EXT4, there's no point in even trying an "in place" upgrade. It's a gaping hole in Ubuntu's release and something you'd'a hoped someone would have considered. I wonder why they forget about us 8.04 users?
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Violation of freedom of speech: deleting posts, which didn't happen. Exercising your freedom of ignoring other people's speech: browsing at +2.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
Netbook Remix has been running like a dream since I upgrade to 10.4lts on my EEE 1000 40G.
Ubuntu 32bit 10.4 has been running like a champ on my fun Atom desktop PC.
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I will give 10.04 another shot at some point in the future, this time with a fresh install rather than an upgrade, but I ran into so many bugs, crashes, and lack of compatibility that I switched back to 9.04. I am a huge fan of Ubuntu, and I hope this was just an upgrade glitch, but for now, 10.04 is on my back burner.
Other big bugs exist.
GUI browsing of SMB networks is still borked out of the box. Cups fails when doing an upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 you haveto force a --reinstall of cups to fix it.
Several other things as well.
It's better, but still has some serious show stoppers for non linux guru people. My wife likes it as her only OS but only because I fixed SMB browsing and the Cups problem.
Dont get me wrong, I think it's far more stable than Windows 7, but it's not perfect and there are big enough "oopsies" that they need to fix them and release 10.04.1 right away.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
It's noticeably slower on my old laptop (512mb ram). Was originally a 9.04 -> 9.10 and now 10.04. I recommend at least 1 gig if you're going to try this.
Glad to help!
My last bit of advice is to watch the video on YouTube from gotbletu. He has tons of Ubuntu how-to videos. He's slightly profane, but very informative.
It beats the hell out of XP and that's good enough for me. Thank you, Ubuntu, you've made two aging/underpowered machines suddenly useful again.
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
I use Kubuntu 10.04 which is the KDE version of Ubuntu 10.04. I installed it last week and it seems to be working perfectly. I chose the alternate install version of the AMD 64 version of Kubuntu 10.04. As most of you probably already know, Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop environment, whereas Kubuntu uses the KDE desktop environment. With Linux you get several choices in desktop environments.
Being somewhat nervous about upgrading, I kept my old version of Kubuntu 9.10 and installed a fresh clean copy of Kubuntu 10.04 onto a different partition. That way I knew that I could always go back to my older version, if I needed to.
I am one of the few people who insists on using different wallpaper for each of my virtual desktops. After installing Kubuntu 10.04, I had trouble figuring out how to get it to allow me to use different wallpaper for each of my virtual desktops. The way to enable doing that had changed since Kubuntu 9.10. I eventually found how to do that by clicking "Settings," then "System Settings," then "Desktop," then "Multiple Desktops," then checking the box for "different activity for each desktop." After doing that, I went to each virtual desktop and right clicked on a blank portion of the screen and then selected the "Desktop Activity Settings." I chose my favorite wallpaper from there.
I don't care very much what default software they include with Kubuntu, since I know what programs I prefer and can quickly and easily download and install them for free from the official Ubuntu repositories. There are hundreds of free Linux programs available from the official repositories. I prefer to use Synaptic to download those programs, because it is an easy to use point and click front end for apt-get. I have not yet tried using KPackageKit instead, which comes already installed with Kubuntu. When I first installed Kubuntu 10.04, I used apt-get to download the Synaptic package manager, and then used Synaptic to install every other favorite free program of mine.
I have been happily using Linux on the desktop for about 10 years now, but, I am not a computer expert. Kubuntu 10.04 seems to perform quite well on my several year old AMD 64 X2 4200+ computer. Unlike the earlier Kubuntu 9.10, I have not yet found any bugs or other problems with Kubuntu 10.04.
OK that did the trick. It doesn't show up anymore in the "add to panel" menu which threw me.
Thanks.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
I totally agree, I was only responding to the parent who claimed no major bug fixes occurred.
- NVidia drivers seem to sometimes flicker the screen for some reason. But then I reboot and t goes away. Then the next day it is back. Not sure what is going on with that.
- iwl3945 driver does not resume properly after laptop suspend, about 50% of the time. If you encounter this, you have to do this sequence I have figured out with much experimenting
- rmmod iwl3945
- suspend again
- resume again
- modprobe iwl3945
This seems to reset the card enough to fix the issue.
There's a tool for this; it's called 'gnome-cleanup':
DESCRIPTION
gnome-cleanup erases all GNOME user preferences, returning
the user to the default look and feel. This can be used to
undo undesired preference settings, or to correct the desk-
top if the preferences become corrupt. The GNOME preference
files are automatically recreated the next time the user
logs into a GNOME session. By default this program erases
the configuration files for the user running the command.
In this case, it may not do exactly what you need, but in my experience it does the trick 99% of the time.
Ho hum another *buntu has turned up. It's version xy.z and it's called "Rancid Racoon" or something.
Cue: "but my feature n doesn't do m" style comments followed by "upstream are wankers" etc etc.
Later we get the "my filesystem was eaten by *buntu xy.z and I hate it"
Followed by "Well I've upgraded from *buntu 0.0000000000001 incrementally to xy.z and it all works beautifully".
Now substitute "*buntu" with any other pre packaged distro's name and this gets boring.
I'm a pretty hardcore Gentoo user and we don't get these sort of announcements. Frankly I'm glad of that. I'm quite happy adding just a bit at a time. I'll grant you that my boot times are not as good as the latest iteration of say *buntu but I'll address that once I care about it.
Dammit, why can't Gentoo and other source based distros get a regular "oooh, ahhhh" mention here! Out of the box I get a far more up to date Linux based experience than any other distro BY FAR.
It does take a while to compile but that is a fair price to pay.
*buntu is out of date already!
I've done a test install, but I noticed there's a problem with Open Office where if I enable the quickstarter, Ubuntu won't shutdown! I have to right click the quickstarter icon and get it quit that way, and *then* the OS will shutdown.
Also, no uber-important, but the same quickstarter icon has a white background. And before you say, "well that's because the new theme is dark", I currently use 9.10 with the New Wave theme which is also dark.
The bottom line is that this operating system installed flawlessly on all five of our test systems
Maybe they should have tried a few real-world scenarios. Maybe upgrading a system that was running 8.04 on a RAID-5 array. ...but that would have skewed their 'ubuntu is awesome' stats.
There's no place like
Violation of freedom of speech: deleting posts, which didn't happen. Exercising your freedom of ignoring other people's speech: browsing at +2.
Deleting posts != free speech violation.
You have the right to free speech. You don't have a right to post on Slashdot--a network owned by someone else, and more than you'd have the right to spray paint a message on your neighbors house. It wouldn't be a violation if he repainted his house. If you want free speech on the web, go buy your own domain name, load your own discussion or blog software onto your own server.
That's what I do. Of course my free speech will last up until approximately 5 requests a second, then my old POS server will catch on fire.
There's no place like
What do you mean? Sound magically works again, and stopped fading out into static after 10 seconds of use.
On the downside, there is now no obvious way to get a panel volume control applet. (sigh) At least I'm ahead on average!
Try siv (or maybe it's 'pysiv'). That's what I use--works well. Simple slider bar that floats on top of everything else so I can easily change the volume while watching videos.
There's no place like
So, install a brown theme, you dipstick. You need not even be a guru. System > preference > appearance > get more themes online If that is to difficult for you, then you're not even running a Linux distro, you're just a troll.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
is having the buttons on the left.
To fix that:
open console or press ALT-F2
type "gconf-editor"
go to "apps->metacity->general"
edit the key "button_layout" to "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
No longer get nerved by the changed layout.
The official volume applet now is actually a part of the indicator applet. Add that to the panel and the volume will show up. The gnome-volume-manager-applet is the old one.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
that's a neg.
I just get indicators for rhythmbox (no volume control there); display settings; battery meter; and a weird and useless envelope icon with some useless options, like "set up mail" and "set up broadcast account".
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
Page 11 was particularly interesting: 3D game graphics are 33% slower in Lucid due to Compiz.
Dont get me wrong, I think it's far more stable than Windows 7
well then you are wrong. they haven't been able to do sound properly which is perhaps the simplest thing to do. my sound card works without any driver in win7. but it does not in ubuntu. i would even say that windows 7 has a higher uptime than ubuntu now. there are so many crashes and nothing can come back after a crash. you HAVE to reboot forcefully. win7 otoh recovers itself even from a graphic card crash.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
sound is actually broken for me where it worked in 9.10(stupid random versioning). now there's stutters and if you play a song it never finishes. and then you can't even logout or shutdown, you have to open up a terminal and sudo halt. and what's up with the uac like thing that pops up randomly and asks for the password and DOES NOT TELL YOU WHICH PROGRAM YOU ARE GRANTING ACCESS TO!!
and there is no way to get rid of the stupid envelope icon without also removing volume, bluetooth, battery and stuff.
my anecdote is worth the same as your anecdote.(hint:zero)
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
The free (libre) derivative of Ubuntu should not be left unmentioned: gNewSense.
Even if you don't use gNewSense, their homepage can serve as a guide for hardware shopping. They only list devices that work without non-free firmware or drivers.
From their website:
gNewSense is derived from Ubuntu, and thus has most of the same functionality. There are a number of differences though.
I think it's clear they were talking about free speech on Slashdot, not the general constitutional right of free speech.
Slashdot makes a point of never deleting comments and even allowing anonymous free speech.
I've been using win7 fairly heavily for half a year with zero crash problems. At this point, any fatal crashes are unacceptable for a primary desktop machine. The bar is much, much higher than it was back in the bad old days of Win98 and MacOS 9.
I feel obliged to add that the best way to have a stable experience with Ubuntu (or Linux in general) is to match the hardware to it, and ensure proper support before buying/building your system. A little homework goes a long way.
three of the four wifi cards i have dont work with it. nvidia drivers are broken in the install kernel. it was rushed... not enough qa. its great if it works for you... big if.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
It's easier than that, just select the brown theme in Appearance. Don't have to download any extras.
On the topic of default themes: I find it highly interesting to see what people choose in terms of leaving the default, or perhaps going to an earlier appearance (this was common when WinXP came out).
The desire to change the window decor is not correlated directly to technical ability; rather, it's something about certain people being distracted/displeased by certain window decorations, and feeling the need to change them, period. What is that in people? Why can't we leave well enough alone?
broken for me where it worked in 9.10(stupid random versioning).
The versioning is anything but random. It corresponds directly to the year (2009) and the month (October, the 10th month). Every single Ubuntu release follows this convention. Releases are on a six month cycle. Thus 10.04 is the April 2010 release.
Dastardly Dick.
Then for the comming releases i suggest 'Malevolent Mutt' and 'Prevalent Pidgeon'
People, what a bunch of bastards
Which would be fine, if not for the constant hardware support regressions. Next time I get chance I'm going to spend another couple of hours trying to get my Canon ip2600 working again. Worked fine under the last Ubuntu.
Michael Reed, freelance tech writer.
Actually it's maverick meerkat.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I think canonical has said in the past they aren't focusing on the kernel but on things to make the os more user friendly
I'll second the iwl3945 issue, and it leaves my knetworkmanager applet telling me it's unmanaged. The ATI X1400 video driver seems to be buggy too... weird 16-bit-ish rendering on parts of the screen. It's all annoying enough that I'm typing this from Windows 7.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Okay. I'm fine with anyone liking Ubuntu (though I use Gentoo myself and my Ubuntu install is actually Kubuntu because I prefer KDE). But I have had fewer problems with Windows 7 than I've had with Ubuntu. Windows 7 has become my preferred operating system for vanilla tasks like word processing, etc. Excel, OneNote, Word. Like 'em all since the latest version of Office came out. Top stuff. I wouldn't want to develop on Windows and I don't. Linux is what I use for anything remotely likely coding - even web-design, and Linux is the backbone of my home network (i.e. my backup and media server). But Windows 7 has been excellent for me so far and most definitely *not* unstable.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
My upgrade to 10.04 broke stuff I've gotten used to working without issue.
Flash in Firefox broke
gxine broke
MythTV broke, but I'm fairly certain that was at best peripherally related (MythArchive Plugin killed the frontend)
Various other smaller but irritating issues
This is obvious stuff that should not have happened, certainly not in an LTS release. Forgivable - I have upgraded every six months for several years now with very little issue, but definitely screwy.
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An Invisible Entity of Vast Power whose existence must be taken on faith alone: Liberal Media
That feature is set on a device-by-device basis. If you set it not to auto-sync on the first time you hook up your device to iTunes, then you can actually pull music from ANYBODY's library, not just your own.
But yeah, I always used that feature, so the Rhythmbox interface works just perfectly for me.
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It's just that nobody's programmed it to be user-friendly yet.
Welcome to OSS. Don't like it, rewrite it.
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I'm very impressed with this release but I agree with Tom's Hardware about the location of the window min,max and close buttons. I downloaded and installed an "Ambiance-Right" theme to put the buttons back on the right side. Also, I don't know why TH made a big deal about the Ambiance theme and Skype...On Skype, just go into Options>General and change the Style to "GTK+". However, the theme makes tool-tips unreadable on Calibre
it suits me just fine.
To be honest, I'd be happy with just keeping the home drive as-is - it's never given me issues (except in Amarok where every upgrade or so it would reset my library... that's what I get for using KDE apps... back to rhythmbox for me!). The only issues I ever got was when I just repointed my repositories to the new distro and upgraded that way.
Only reason I go through the hassle of creating the new user is because I want to check out what neat new features have come in by default.
That's what I like about linux - is that I can make it as much of a hassle as I'm comfortable with. If I really want to turn my brain off, then I can reformat my home dir every time. But I configure a lot of shit to work very specifically for me, so I don't want to have to keep reconfiguring everything. Seems a lot easier for me just to keep my home drive kicking around.
Most windows apps wouldn't give me that option. If I wanted to move from XP to Win7 I'd have to completely copy over my Documents & Settings folder, and then start rearranging into the appropriate Win7 folders. Most of my shortcuts would stop working so I'd just have to make new ones. Just seems like a lot more of a headache for power users.
My approach isn't for everybody, but I'm not everybody. I'm the kind of guy who uses shell scripts to clean up his mp3 collection, and likes to install programs at the commandline because synaptic takes too freaking long. Sure, you don't NEED it to run linux effectively, but I'm a stickler for doing things the quick advanced way.
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A lot of changes happen for a reason. It takes about an hour to get used to this one. If you don't want to, it's trivial to revert to the previous setup.
there is also the envelope icon that takes up space on the top bar that you can't remove without also removing volume and bluetooth etc.
This is wrong. That's "indicator-applet". If you remove it from the panel, nothing else goes missing.
windows is more customizable than this.
Right. You call a system which offers several layers of customization (from top to bottom: GUI menus -> configuration files -> interpreted scripts -> recompilable source) less customizable than monolithic windows. Your world seems to be a strange but simple one.
gnome needs to die.
Ah, so you're just trolling?
kde is going in a much better direction
"There is only one right direction. That is to wherever I am. What other users might prefer is irrelevant.
they did not bother to give a single reason for this fucking change.
Mark Shuttleworth comments on the bug report and writes a blog.
shuttleworth and co have shown tremendous disregard for the community
the notification system is utter crap. for example [...] wtf! [...] it should give you [...]
"Bugs in my OS? Unheard of!"
i have stopped using ubuntu because of irrational, stupid
This part of the sentence is true.
Nah, just skimmed the conclusion.
Anecdote: actually, the plurality of conflicting anecdotes indicate a very unstable software platform.
For instance, I've run the exact same upgrade/install path on both my laptop and desktop. Nonetheless, the mechanics of icons are totally different on each. For instance, I get the stupid envelope icon on my desktop, but not on my laptop. Likewise, audio seems to work and not work at random for each person and each machine configuration. There are many more discrepancies; I've just given up keeping track...
So, no, these anecdotes are not worthless. For one, they are more-or-less exactly why I don't recommend ubuntu (or any linux) to any casual computer user.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
to elaborate, your sound problem is exactly the one I had on 9.10 on my desktop, but 10.04 fixed.
these are not unusual; anecdotes taken singularly may be worthless, but when the bug reports (as you can read on canonical's fora) show such a non-monotonic path of errors with such variability, there is something wrong.
WinXP had its problems for sure, but I've never heard of anyone whose sound stopped working with SP1, came back with SP2, &c. (unless they were using some weird 3rd party software).
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky