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Intelligence Density and the Creative Class

Doofus writes "The Atlantic has an interesting review of some open-sourced work by Rob Pitingolo about the comparative educational attainment levels of various metropolitan areas. While people are now capable of being far more mobile than in generations past, many people remain within 100 miles or so of where they were born. For the technology-partition of the creative class, this is less likely to be the case, in my personal experience. Do we technical people put interesting work and the concentration of human educational capital ahead of other considerations when deciding on a move? Or is it more complicated? Is it more about the fact that the creative jobs are where the creative people are?"

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  1. qualifications lead to less choice by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The more specialised you are, the fewer job openings you have - that will use your speciality (yes, obviously you could get a lesser job, but isn't that a waste of your talents and so ultimately unsatisfactory?). That means you have to range further to find those rarer openings. So in that respect more educated people will have a tendency to be more mobile, though not always through choice. And not always viewing it as a good thing: having to move from country to country to chase the next step of career progression.

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  2. Creative class? Please join the real world by dirkdodgers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having a college degree makes you statistically more likely to have a job, and to be more highly compensated, but it's not at all clear to me that having a degree makes you part of a "creative class", whatever the fuck that is. Having a college degree also means you are statistically more likely to be white and to come from an affluent family. The transition from "educational attainment" to "smarter people" to "creative class" sounds great while sipping an $8 coffee and listening to indie rock, but in the real world it's pretty fucking condescending.

    Carpenters are creative.
    Mechanics are creative.
    Landscapers are creative.
    Welders are creative.
    Stonemasons are creative. ...

    Not all. Maybe not most. But probably not a great deal more or less than are coders, analysts, lawyers, doctors, accountants (maybe I'll give you that one!), and economists.

  3. His analysis of the "density of smart people" is.. by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...not very smart. First off, it's silly to equate "smart" to "educated." Smart children of illegal immigrants who pick strawberries don't tend to go to college. Dumb children of business executives tend to go to college and get a degree in something, e.g., education, that doesn't require mastering any speficic, difficult body of knowledge. A college education is a middle-class entitlement in the U.S., like Social Security and Medicare.

    The other silly thing about it is that first he tabulates the density of degree holders and finds out that degree holders are more dense where people are more dense. Wow, blinding insight. Then he tries to eliminate the effect of population density using a linear regression, which isn't the right tool for the job. If he wants to eliminate the effect of population density, he should just start with the percentage of the population that has a degree. His linear regression method produces results that obviously don't make much sense, e.g., that Oklahoma City has 544% more people with degrees than you'd expect. (See the note at the bottom of the chart.) Presumably this indicates that not only does every adult in Oklahoma City have a degree, but so do all their children, as do their dogs, cats, and major household appliances.

  4. Re:it's more complicated by pudge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I look for low density and a lack of diversity in restaurants. I am quite happy that you, and many other people, want something different than me, as it makes it easier to find what I am looking for.

  5. Re:Most of us... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A mammalian psychology thing.

    If your boss is a mammal, then you are in a better position than 90% of IT workers.

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  6. Re:Geeks by Sky+Cry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But less social also means it's harder to find friends in the new area, making moving much harder.

  7. Re:it's more complicated by oakgrove · · Score: 5, Informative
    At the risk of a faux pas replying to myself, here's the list normalized for overall population density:

    Rank City % Above Expected Concentration
    1 Oklahoma City 544%
    2 Nashville 167%
    3 Jacksonville 156%
    4 Salt Lake City 87%
    5 Kansas City 84%
    6 Seattle 78%
    7 Raleigh 73%
    8 San Francisco 61%
    9 New Orleans 54%
    10 Atlanta 50%
    11 Austin 48%
    12 Virginia Beach 46%
    13 Washington 45%
    14 Charlotte 43%
    15 Louisville 42%
    16 Portland 35%
    17 Birmingham 32%
    18 San Diego 31%
    19 Minneapolis 30%
    20 Orlando 28%
    21 Denver 27%
    22 Boston 22%
    23 St. Paul 13%
    24 Indianapolis 11%
    25 Richmond 9%
    26 Tampa 9%
    27 San Jose 8%
    28 Pittsburgh 6%
    29 Oakland 6%
    30 Columbus 5%
    31 Cincinnatti -3%
    32 New York City -10%
    33 Sacramento -11%
    34 Houston -11%
    35 Memphis -12%
    36 Dallas -12%
    37 Chicago -15%
    38 Los Angeles -17%
    39 Phoenix -23%
    40 Providence -23%
    41 San Antonio -25%
    42 St. Louis -25%
    43 Balitmore -30%
    44 Miami -32%
    45 Las Vegas -34%
    46 Riverside -37%
    47 Buffalo -38%
    48 Philadelphia -41%
    49 Milwaukee -43%
    50 Cleveland -61%
    51 Hartford -62%
    52 Detroit -68%

    I find this much more interesting than the face palm-esque pop. density ranking original list. Interesting how 7 of the top ten are southern cities.

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