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Intelligence Density and the Creative Class

Doofus writes "The Atlantic has an interesting review of some open-sourced work by Rob Pitingolo about the comparative educational attainment levels of various metropolitan areas. While people are now capable of being far more mobile than in generations past, many people remain within 100 miles or so of where they were born. For the technology-partition of the creative class, this is less likely to be the case, in my personal experience. Do we technical people put interesting work and the concentration of human educational capital ahead of other considerations when deciding on a move? Or is it more complicated? Is it more about the fact that the creative jobs are where the creative people are?"

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  1. it's more complicated by mikeraz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With employment being fungible for the vast majority where to live is driven by how one wants to live. I look for high density and diversity in restaurants. You want something else.

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    1. Re:it's more complicated by pudge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I look for low density and a lack of diversity in restaurants. I am quite happy that you, and many other people, want something different than me, as it makes it easier to find what I am looking for.

    2. Re:it's more complicated by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since every other social study says that people with degrees flock together, living even in the same neighborhoods. Usually these studies decry how "terribly unfair" this is. Still it explains perfectly well what's happening here.

      Ironically, this means that, as a university graduate, you're probably better of in one of the lesser density cities.

      And frankly I resent the direct correlation made : "smart" != "university graduate". One does not imply the other, in any direction.

    3. Re:it's more complicated by oakgrove · · Score: 5, Informative
      At the risk of a faux pas replying to myself, here's the list normalized for overall population density:

      Rank City % Above Expected Concentration
      1 Oklahoma City 544%
      2 Nashville 167%
      3 Jacksonville 156%
      4 Salt Lake City 87%
      5 Kansas City 84%
      6 Seattle 78%
      7 Raleigh 73%
      8 San Francisco 61%
      9 New Orleans 54%
      10 Atlanta 50%
      11 Austin 48%
      12 Virginia Beach 46%
      13 Washington 45%
      14 Charlotte 43%
      15 Louisville 42%
      16 Portland 35%
      17 Birmingham 32%
      18 San Diego 31%
      19 Minneapolis 30%
      20 Orlando 28%
      21 Denver 27%
      22 Boston 22%
      23 St. Paul 13%
      24 Indianapolis 11%
      25 Richmond 9%
      26 Tampa 9%
      27 San Jose 8%
      28 Pittsburgh 6%
      29 Oakland 6%
      30 Columbus 5%
      31 Cincinnatti -3%
      32 New York City -10%
      33 Sacramento -11%
      34 Houston -11%
      35 Memphis -12%
      36 Dallas -12%
      37 Chicago -15%
      38 Los Angeles -17%
      39 Phoenix -23%
      40 Providence -23%
      41 San Antonio -25%
      42 St. Louis -25%
      43 Balitmore -30%
      44 Miami -32%
      45 Las Vegas -34%
      46 Riverside -37%
      47 Buffalo -38%
      48 Philadelphia -41%
      49 Milwaukee -43%
      50 Cleveland -61%
      51 Hartford -62%
      52 Detroit -68%

      I find this much more interesting than the face palm-esque pop. density ranking original list. Interesting how 7 of the top ten are southern cities.

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  2. qualifications lead to less choice by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The more specialised you are, the fewer job openings you have - that will use your speciality (yes, obviously you could get a lesser job, but isn't that a waste of your talents and so ultimately unsatisfactory?). That means you have to range further to find those rarer openings. So in that respect more educated people will have a tendency to be more mobile, though not always through choice. And not always viewing it as a good thing: having to move from country to country to chase the next step of career progression.

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  3. Most of us... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of us go to where the jobs are. Google, Microsoft, Intel and Apple are all pretty large employers of creative people. If I can make $25K more per year if I move, chances are I'll move. So they end up having large concentrations of creative people because most people move where the jobs are. Good luck finding a high-paying, interesting tech job in rural America. Yes, you -can- "telecommute" but most of the time you get paid a lot less than if you go to the cube farm.

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    1. Re:Most of us... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A mammalian psychology thing.

      If your boss is a mammal, then you are in a better position than 90% of IT workers.

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  4. Not Enough Heat by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    To achieve maximum flamage, these numbers should be cross referenced by religious views, political affiliation, and choice of text editor :-D

  5. Geeks by 1000101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many people in the IT field are less social and have a smaller group of friends outside of work, so picking up and moving isn't as big of a change. Not everyone fits this, but I'm sure it impacts the results.

    1. Re:Geeks by Sky+Cry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But less social also means it's harder to find friends in the new area, making moving much harder.

  6. Creative class? Please join the real world by dirkdodgers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having a college degree makes you statistically more likely to have a job, and to be more highly compensated, but it's not at all clear to me that having a degree makes you part of a "creative class", whatever the fuck that is. Having a college degree also means you are statistically more likely to be white and to come from an affluent family. The transition from "educational attainment" to "smarter people" to "creative class" sounds great while sipping an $8 coffee and listening to indie rock, but in the real world it's pretty fucking condescending.

    Carpenters are creative.
    Mechanics are creative.
    Landscapers are creative.
    Welders are creative.
    Stonemasons are creative. ...

    Not all. Maybe not most. But probably not a great deal more or less than are coders, analysts, lawyers, doctors, accountants (maybe I'll give you that one!), and economists.

    1. Re:Creative class? Please join the real world by Doofus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Being "creative" is not the sole criterion for being a member of the Creative Class.

      Several key factors that differentiate members of the Creative Class and "people in any field that happen to be creative" include the generation of new knowledge, of one sort or another, or the generation of innovative solutions to difficult problems.

      This does not take away any sliver of the importance of the creativity demonstrated by the classes of work you noted, but the scope of their impact is completely different.

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  7. His analysis of the "density of smart people" is.. by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...not very smart. First off, it's silly to equate "smart" to "educated." Smart children of illegal immigrants who pick strawberries don't tend to go to college. Dumb children of business executives tend to go to college and get a degree in something, e.g., education, that doesn't require mastering any speficic, difficult body of knowledge. A college education is a middle-class entitlement in the U.S., like Social Security and Medicare.

    The other silly thing about it is that first he tabulates the density of degree holders and finds out that degree holders are more dense where people are more dense. Wow, blinding insight. Then he tries to eliminate the effect of population density using a linear regression, which isn't the right tool for the job. If he wants to eliminate the effect of population density, he should just start with the percentage of the population that has a degree. His linear regression method produces results that obviously don't make much sense, e.g., that Oklahoma City has 544% more people with degrees than you'd expect. (See the note at the bottom of the chart.) Presumably this indicates that not only does every adult in Oklahoma City have a degree, but so do all their children, as do their dogs, cats, and major household appliances.

  8. Well Said! by Will+Steinhelm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank you. Some of the most creative people I know are carpenters, furniture makers, and other craftsmen. Or are musicians, or painters, or chefs. Most of these people went to a community college at most. Using college degrees to indicate creativity shows a misunderstanding of creativity.

  9. Re:Why would you have to move? This isn't 1910. by MrMr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately they don't want to realize that the biggest cost saver would be outsourcing the management levels.

  10. Re:Family by couchslug · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Until there is a robot that can stay home with Mom and look after her, help her take her meds and buy her groceries, do light household and yard work, etc."

    FYI, when Mom and Dad move from "needing light assistance" to "incompetent, incontinent, and incoherent" they WILL go beyond the abilities of a single caregiver.

    Make as much money as you can, research elder care LONG before they (and, eventually, you) need it, research how to save THEIR assets as well as yours, and how to avoid probate. If you are able to read this, NOW is a good time, not when the shit hits the fan. Caring for mad. dying old folks is exhausting, stresses a marriage/relationship, and is expensive.

    Modern medical technology gives us the ability to suffer for many years. Get ready. You have been warned.

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  11. Techical people are not the most mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I disagree with the thesis of this post. In my experience, technical people are not the most mobile people in the work force. People involved in high level business positions, airline pilots, diplomats, or people into artsy careers (music, acting) are way more mobile than tech people when it comes to moving far away from where they were born. Stop thinking you are special just because you know how to use computers.