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New Sony OLED Display Can Roll Into Cylinder

Anarki2004 writes "Sony recently debuted its latest in OLED technology: a 4.1-inch screen that's only 80 microns thick. The super-flexible display can roll up into a cylinder just 4mm in diameter while still showing moving images at 432×240 resolution. Instead of brittle integrated circuit chips, the screen has an on-panel gate-driven circuit — a world first, according to Sony. That innovation would allow everything but the power supply to roll and flex in applications."

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  1. Everything but the power supply ... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    That innovation would allow everything but the power supply to roll and flex in applications."

    Good thing, too - you wouldn't want to roll up the power supply, shove it in your pocket, and have it burst into flames. After all, "It's a SONY!"

    1. Re:Everything but the power supply ... by frozentier · · Score: 1

      I'm working on a portable power supply right now. I'm going to call it a "battery".

    2. Re:Everything but the power supply ... by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      ... and if you make it round, you can wrap the screen around it ... Quick, patent round batteries! Oh, wait a sec ...

      What the heck, do it anyway - the USPTO doesn't give a **** about prior art - they're like Mikey, they'll eat anything you stick in front of them! After all, they patented the comb-over., the cry-no-more that gags a baby, human car wash, pet petter, boob tube and insect balls

    3. Re:Everything but the power supply ... by hack++slash · · Score: 2, Funny

      My friend told me about this device that powered things without a battery, all you had to do was turn a handle. I thought to myself, that's got to be some sort of wind up.

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    4. Re:Everything but the power supply ... by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the problem is that while they could make circuits in the screen, they certainly can't duplicate chipmaking control, efficiency and accuracy on the flexible substrate. So yes, you could have your next phone rollable, if you would accept a 6 Mhz cpu with 2 Mb ram.

  2. So the real remaining job by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is to make flexible/foldable power supplies..

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    1. Re:So the real remaining job by spazdor · · Score: 1

      I think power technology is gonna be the easy part here. Big thick (think fancy home-audio ribbon cables) copper ring around the outer perimeter of the device, with 50 or 100 turns of spiral around the outside. Suddenly every movement through the device's Z-axis generates magnetic flux. Mobile devices might self-charge if they consume little enough and the EM environment is noisy enough. The recharging 'docking station' could just be a little induction coil that you leave the device on top of or near.

      As for actual on-device power storage, I think that embedding capacitors onto a layered, laminar surface is gonna be trivial. Most capacitors just are layered laminar surfaces. For higher-capacity chemical power storage, though, you're gonna have to go "off-sheet."

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    2. Re:So the real remaining job by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      For higher-capacity chemical power storage...

      I can just go for a swim

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    3. Re:So the real remaining job by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 2, Informative

      OK - http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20004170-54.html . It may mean that you have to hold it up to the sun to use it.

    4. Re:So the real remaining job by mrops · · Score: 1

      is to make flexible/foldable power supplies..

      ..and to remove DRM

    5. Re:So the real remaining job by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Now there's a "layered laminar surface". Eugh.

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  3. Until... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Funny

    The super-flexible display can roll up into a cylinder

    Until Sony disables that feature in the firmware.

    1. Re:Until... by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought this screen was firmware. Would that mean they'd turn it into hardware?

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    2. Re:Until... by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually I think the screen qualifies as a flimsy. :p

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    3. Re:Until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No doubt. As momentarily cool as thin OLEDs are, I can honestly say I would rather not have this tech than have SONY in the marketplace.

    4. Re:Until... by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think they'll disable the feature entirely, but they'll probably require you to buy some kind of expensive, proprietary cylinder that you wrap the screen around.

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  4. That's nice and all by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But when are they going to be able to make 40" TV's that are affordable with OLED? (Hell, I thought a few years ago the shtick was that they could print them out so cheaply you would just make a new OLED every so often if anything went wrong with the screen.)

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  5. those stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'd have a hard time paying for a screen with
    that many dead pixels.

    1. Re:those stripes by illumastorm · · Score: 5, Informative

      Those stripes are probably an artifact from the screen being rolled up. That should be ironed out if/when the screen goes into production.

    2. Re:those stripes by aynoknman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those stripes are probably an artifact from the screen being rolled up. That should be ironed out if/when the screen goes into production.

      So long as you don't have to iron out the screen after you roll it up.

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    3. Re:those stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I saw similar stripes in early HD displays and then in early OLED displays when i would see prototype footage. I think it's more likely that they are minor problems with the way the screen lights up pixels on a grid. And it should certainly be fixed before production.

    4. Re:those stripes by lowestuid · · Score: 1

      I have a hard time accepting the claim "it can be rolled around" when it clearly damaged the display doing that. Most of the stripes showed up AFTER they rolled it a couple times.

  6. Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really can it be rolled around a pencil?

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    1. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by Get+on+the+boat · · Score: 3, Funny

      This one is vastly improved from 80m. That's several orders of magnitude.

    2. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by mister_playboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      80m.

      Slashdot ate your mu?

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    3. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're saying it's an OLED story?

    4. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know I have no problem with /. rejecting my original submissions .. until you get to things like this dupe which happened within the last week. That really pisses me off.

      Gratuitous rejected submission links

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    5. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Slashdot ate your mu?

      It's OK, it tasted like chicken.

      /.

    6. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure I saw that second one on /. I think the main problem is the Slashdot search feature sucks funky monkey balls.

    7. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by hellop2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. He's referencing this dupe from last week.

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    8. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      [May 17, 2005]
      Universal Display Expands Capabilities for Flexible Displays with Novel OLED Deposition Equipment from Tokki Corporation and Hitachi High-Technologies
      EWING, N.J. --(Business Wire)-- May 17, 2005 --

      Universal Display Furthers 'Flexible OLED Initiative' and Expands Prototype Capacity with Full-Color OLED Deposition System for OLED Displays on Plastic, Metallic Foil, and Glass Substrates

      [...]

      Universal Display Corporation is a world leader in developing and commercializing innovative OLED technologies and materials for use in the electronic flat panel display and other markets. Universal Display is working with a network of world-class organizations including Princeton University, the University of Southern California, AIXTRON AG, AU Optronics Corporation, DuPont Displays, Inc., PPG Industries, Inc., Samsung SDI Co., Seiko Epson Corporation, Sony Corporation, Tohoku Pioneer Corporation and Toyota Industries Corporation. Universal Display currently has rights in more than 625 issued and pending patents worldwide.

      New news, same as the old news

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    9. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure I saw that second one on /. I think the main problem is the Slashdot search feature sucks funky monkey balls.

      You're right I just found it - under idle. I take it all back, slashdot is wonderful. But I know I tried to search for anything to do with Volvo before submitting and didn't come up with anything. Now I also see how my search failed - epic UI failure IMHO

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    10. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by strack · · Score: 1

      you should write a letter to the editor about it. cause the rest of us dont fucking care. we really, really, dont.

    11. Re:Really? Like maybe a Pencil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the goal that by 2020 "no one should be killed or injured in a Volvo car"

      They could stop selling Volvo cars?

  7. tag story as dupe by Somegeek · · Score: 1

    what he said

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    1. Re:tag story as dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tag story as dupe

      It's not a dupe. Slashdot rolled time in a circle.

    2. Re:tag story as dupe by skids · · Score: 1

      No typos please. Tagging as "dube" might result in stoners using it for rolling paper. My guess is it's not very healthy to smoke.

  8. Dual screen by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK so I imagine that the technology doesn't really fit well with touchscreen designs. That's fine though: I want a device like the HTC Evo with a nice sized touchscreen in the portrait orientation but a roll-out OLED in the landscape which would become a widescreen for video. I'm thinking like 3.5" normal 'portrait' screen and a 8" roll-out widescreen... if they can figure out a way to keep it pretty sturdy when rolled out. That'll be a challenge IMHO.

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    1. Re:Dual screen by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      if they can figure out a way to keep it pretty sturdy when rolled out. That'll be a challenge IMHO.

      Not much of a challenge at all. I can think of three ways, with varying costs, weights, and effectiveness. I'm sure the engineers involved will do better.

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    2. Re:Dual screen by angelbar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Earth: Final Conflict ?

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    3. Re:Dual screen by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      Really? I can't think of many. The length of the screen would prohibit the use of simple rails that slide out of the body of the phone... they'd be much longer than the phone's width. I imagine that some kind of one-way-bendable rail that can roll up with the screen could work but that would be a pretty delicate thing and if you tweaked it at all you might be pretty pissed when your screen doesn't roll back up..

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    4. Re:Dual screen by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Really? I can't think of many. The length of the screen would prohibit the use of simple rails that slide out of the body of the phone... they'd be much longer than the phone's width

      Three off the top of my head:

      1. something like a telescoping radio or tv antenna
      2. something like a folding ruler or cane?
      3. something like a tazer AGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!
    5. Re:Dual screen by OnePumpChump · · Score: 1

      The actual prop must have had a workable rail, even if it didn't have a real screen.

    6. Re:Dual screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earth: Final Conflict ?

      The Global that is:

      http://macbigot.com/media/Global300x200.jpg

    7. Re:Dual screen by kryliss · · Score: 1

      That's where I remember seeing them on TV.

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  9. After 10 years.... by theNetImp · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    You think slashdot would put a "primary_link" field into the database to try to wed out duplicate entries. Put in an entry, if the primary link has the same URL as another article with a primary link then they'd get a warning showing them of possible duplicates...

    1. Re:After 10 years.... by dsavi · · Score: 2, Informative

      The source URL of the article already has to be unique, however, a source URL isn't always required. To quote it: Main url of submission (optional but if provided must be unique).

    2. Re:After 10 years.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe slash could implement crowd based plonking of submitter and editors to save the majority the trouble of registering just to filter out lazy work and lazy workers.

      Stonelion plonk ;-!

    3. Re:After 10 years.... by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      What is to keep someone from throwing an ?x=fubar on the end of the url to make it appear unique?

  10. "theater in the round" ? by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The super-flexible display can roll up into a cylinder

    That'll come in mighty handy for my new "theater in the round" living room design.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_in_the_round

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    1. Re:"theater in the round" ? by Miseph · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmmm... that gives me a neat idea for and IMAX film... stage a play in the round, with the audience semi-illuminated, and give the cameras to one of the actors. Obviously, it would have to be somebody in every scene. The movie audience now gets to experience what it is like to be on stage being watched by an audience. Very avant garde.

      It could be really awesome, or really boring, or both. The first would make bank, the second would win some film festival awards, and the 3rd would make it Oscar material... it can't lose!

      Oh, right, copyright Miseph 2010-eternity (end period is an estimate based on current copyright trends).

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  11. So what? by valnar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only person who doesn't care how thin they make these display technologies? In regards to HDTV's, I want it clear, accurate, without lag and cheap. Thin doesn't really matter.

    1. Re:So what? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Thin doesn't really matter.

      It does once you get out of your mom's basement

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    2. Re:So what? by valnar · · Score: 0

      ??

    3. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your body.

  12. Applications by alfredos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ultimate cheating device for exams: One AAA battery and some memory inside the pencil, the display wrapped up and a single switch at the top as the input device.

    Book with video: Batteries in the hardcover and the screen like a first page where video references can be looked up.

    Even just a good old mobile phone display that doesn't crack under deformation is quite nice an application for this.

  13. Dupe from last week by glitch23 · · Score: 1

    It seems Slashdot is back into the duping business again. I hadn't noticed any for a while but here we go again.

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  14. ClickJacking by drainbramage · · Score: 1

    Will never mean the same...

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  15. Vibrators & Dildos with instant feedback & by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

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  16. Imagine when it gets cheap by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

    We'll see things like bank pens with animation; the battery would just be another flexible plastic layer.

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  17. Dude, you ruined my day by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bah, just when I was thinking that if it's this thin and flexible, they could put it on a condom and give you the choice of what to display on it (like, say, a $100 bill or a credit card for wives who won't touch anything else of their husband's)... you just have to come and give me the mental image of it bursting into flames.

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  18. Was that not one of the selling points of OLED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember when OLED was still in the labs, and every showoff video was touting the fact that they were flexible

    So give sony a cookie, its only taken them 10 years to catch up to the future

  19. Red Planet - device by sherriw · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the Portable PCs they had in the movie Red Planet: http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/red-planet-map-display.jpg

  20. One more thing I'm not going to buy by erroneus · · Score: 1

    ... it's Sony right? I'm not buying it and I might consider not buying it from anyone else who is required to pay Sony royalties on the invention as well. If Sony was the only company that could make TVs, I would not own a TV. I really hate Sony that much.

    1. Re:One more thing I'm not going to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you hate a faceless multinational company. How very... unique.

    2. Re:One more thing I'm not going to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm right along side wit you there bubba. SONY doesn't belong in an open market.

  21. Invisibility Suit by hviniciusg · · Score: 1

    Finally we can make an invisibility suit whit this stuff. Just imagine clothes made from this stuff then you could plug some micro cameras on the front and back and then display it on the suite front and back side, you would not be totally invisible but, given the right research and time we could get a pretty good one.
    Just imagine soldiers in the sand whit this suit, or in the snow of forest. The perfect camouflage

    1. Re:Invisibility Suit by dfcamara · · Score: 1

      Nope, for an invisibility suit you'll need different images for different points of view (observers).

    2. Re:Invisibility Suit by hviniciusg · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you could get an excelent camouflage

  22. Roll-Out Phone by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd love to have 3x9" phone with a long edge that could pull out a scrolled up display to a full 8.5x11".

    Even cooler would be if the scroll could "telescope" out like a radio antenna before scolling, so a few 3" segments could snap out to 8.5", and scroll out to 11". That extensible scroll could contain an 8.5x11" screen in a 3x3 package. Perhaps even a 0.5" thick package, if the scroll can roll really tight.

    A real pocket sized phone with a real fullsized display on demand. Cool!

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  23. OLED isn't coming anytime soon by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    I'm fed up with all the baseless hype Sony keep generating around OLED. Sony have been showing various "in the lab" examples of flexible OLED screens for years. Decades even. OLED TV has become the "Duke Nukem Forever" of TV tech.

    I'll only pay attention to any more new OLED stories when someone makes home-sized (52 inch+) OLED TVs at affordable prices (i.e. same price as LCDs) actually available for purchase.

  24. EFC by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 1

    I was wondering if I was the only one who remembers (or will admit to having watched) Earth Final Conflict. The only good thing that really came from that show was the communication devices - they pulled the screen from a cellphone sized object to make a reasonably large full-video screen (like pull-down blinds).

    The power supply doesn't need to by flexible to solve the old problem of balancing phone/device screen size with overall size when you're not using it.