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Military Develops "Green" Cleaners For Terrorist Attack Sites
An anonymous reader writes "Chemists with the US military have developed a set of ultra-strength cleaners to be used in the aftermath of a terrorist attack. The formulas are reportedly tough enough to get rid of nerve gas, mustard gas, radioactive isotopes, and anthrax. But they are also non-toxic, based on ingredients found in foods, cosmetics, and other consumer products."
Made by Bechtel/(insert cozy contractor here) for only 2600$ a pint
Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you
Because we can totally trust what they put in them?
Italians have been fouling up our air and water for too long. Finally the generals are emerging from their fat complacency about the Italian eco-islamocommunist terror threat. Now I will post this because an Italian stole my shoe and is using it to create a vacuum in the scanner of Greek chickens on sky.
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They tested it on CowboyNeal's underpants.
The formulas are reportedly tough enough to get rid of nerve gas, mustard gas, radioactive isotopes, and anthrax.
Summary makes it sound like this wonder neutralizes the components instead simply physically removing them. Are radioactive isotopes harder to remove than your generic chocolate stain?
Does it work on oil spills or only terrorist induced disasters?
One ring to bind them - should probably have more fiber and less rings in their diet.
Whenever I hear a product called "Green-" I always translate that to mean "inferior".
Any product that is designed to be "green" rather than the best is probably GOING to be inferior because there was some compromise made in order to make it "green".
I make it a point to avoid PC parts from "green" product lines because to me, "green" means SLOW.
If we suffer a WMD terrorist attack, I want the BEST products to be used to deal with it, who cares if it's "green"?
Isn't a massive terrorist attack causing widespread destruction likely to cause FAR more pollution than anything we'd have to do to clean up AFTER IT?
Corporatism != Free Market
Looking for chemical agents that could defeat the biological and chemical weapons that might be used by the terrorists?
No surprise they decided to use stuff found in fast-food and cosmetics. I just don't know what the 'green' reference is about?
If the chemical that's most effective at removing nuclear fallout is a little toxic, I'm going to be okay with that.
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Clean for the nWext dicks produced
The government needs to make sure they can clean up the situation promptly. Eminent domain works out very nicely when there isn't anyone there to challenge it.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
NBC decontamination training is standard in the military, and nearly everyone gets to play. Alternate decon solutions that aren't themselves composed of nasty chemicals would be quite useful considering tens of thousands of gallons would be needed for even a small site. The product would need to kill germs and remove chemical agents while helping break them down (they degrade anyway). Other than washing off radioactive contamination there isn't much to be done, but that still would require effective detergent to break loose ground-in crud.
Have some Very Cool Soviet Decon vehicle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBI43LKuW00
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I am always reminded of that fine BBC documentary* about the, for lack of better words, ZOMG TERRORISTS scare that takes it's sweet time to dissipate. Probably because there is too much money to be made. Such as selling this kind of junk.
* Available on Google video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727
I know some editors class too many things that should be Idle as something else, but this seems to be the opposite; a legitimate article that is being filed as Idle. How exactly is this not considered news? It's a new application for existing chemicals that helps deal with terrorism without restricting rights, which is a hell of lot better than most of the anti-terrorism procedures we've been putting into place.
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"I'm not a quack, I'm a mad scientist! There's a difference." - Dr. Cockroach
Sounds like an Ad for CLR to me...?
Do they work on Oil Slicks?
Ok, so the primary ingredients are peroxide and sodium bicarbonate. Fine.
Am I the only one thinking I almost don't care how bad it is, as long as the end result is I'm alive?
Favorite line in the ad copy. . .
"Bacillus anthracis (B. anthracis; "anthrax" in the public lexicon) is the most notorious biological warfare agent (BWA), having been used with lethal consequences in the 2001 anthrax-letter attacks"
Didn't that anthrax come from your own labs, you idiots? Yes, I believe it did.
Terrorism isn't just state funded, it's an invention of the state itself. A small ember of genuine rebellion sought out and fanned into full flame by the careful ministrations of the American and Israeli secret services. And when that isn't good enough, covertly taken over and managed entirely from the top. "Terrorists" make such a great excuse for selling. . .
Peroxide!
"Get your whites whiter! It's made out of Food! Just like a McDonald's meal is made from meat, bread and milk! SOOOO good for you!"
Ugh.
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Use this to finally clean your parent's basement.
...for the Japanese Miracle.
Can I get this in a spray bottle for cleaning my kitchen and bathroom?
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That may be helpful for BP then ...
I thought plain vanilla bleach took care of all biological and most chemical agents just fine? And as far as radioactive isotopes go, use whatever would remove the non-radioactive isotope of the element in question.
Maybe we can use this crap to take care of real problems, like untra huge oil spills.
Vinegar. EOL
they call it Coca col.. I mean.. coca cleaner and it costs lots.
... Harvey Keitel for those real problem messes.
Have gnu, will travel.
but is it strong enough for getting rid of all the oil spilled into the gulf of mexico???
Decon Green has been around since 2003. It's just hydrogen peroxide, soap, propylene glycol and baking soda. It's for decontaminating surfaces, like equipment, suits, etc.
As I was told by an EPA inspector, once your Green/non-toxic/bio-degradable product comes in contact with the "toxic" contaminant, it TOO becomes a toxic contaminant and must be disposed of with the proper protocols. Even a neutralizing agent would need to be tested - what does the combination become - an inert mass or does it turn into some hybrid toxin we are currently unaware of - like the chocolate bar in the peanut butter....
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But they are also non-toxic, based on ingredients found in foods, cosmetics, and other consumer products.
If it's killing Anthrax just how non-toxic can it be, hmm? From the original All-Weather Hydrogen Peroxide-Based Decontamination of CBRN Contaminants paper:
A hydrogen peroxide-based decontaminant, Decon Green, is efficacious for the decontamination of chemical agents VX (S-2-(diisopropylamino)ethyl O-ethyl methylphosphonothioate), GD (Soman, pinacolyl methylphosphonofluoridate), and HD (mustard, bis(2-chloroethyl) sulfide); the biological agent anthrax (Bacillus anthracis); and radiological isotopes 137Cs and 60Co; thus demonstrating the ability of this decontamination approach to ameliorate the aftermath of all three types of weapons of mass destruction (WMD). ... Decon Green is an EPA-registered sporicide.
Hydrogen peroxide is considered hazardous because of its highly reactive oxidation ability. It varies around the world a little, but generally in concentrations over 3% it should be accompanied by a Material Safety Data Sheet. In the presence of grease it can even become explosive.
To put its oxidation ability into context... Germany was using hydrogen peroxide to fuel rocket planes towards the end of WW-II. Anyone who had the fuel spilt on them MELTED - and that was just liquid fuel that wasn't burning at the time.
I'd like the person who said this was non-toxic to stand in a bucket of the stuff, without wearing a bio hazard suit, to demonstrate just how non-toxic it is.
What are the odds the supplier of this product manufactured the products it will be used to clean up?