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Hands-On With Dell's Streak Android Device

adeelarshad82 writes "Dell Streak, the Android-based 5-inch tablet (which has also been called out as a smartphone) is set to ship starting in July, both from a US carrier and direct on Dell.com for $500. Even though Dell has not disclosed the name of the carrier, some experts believe that it will be AT&T because the Streak is a 3G GSM 850/1900 device and AT&T is the only major US carrier that supports those frequency bands. According to a hands-on, Streak is a sharp-looking device with a black front and candy-apple red back that unfortunately shows fingerprints easily. On the upside, Streak's curved body is comfortable to hold. Streak runs a customized version of Android 1.6, but Android aficionados will have to get used to the unusual button layout. Its 800x480-pixel screen makes images look tight, and web pages will benefit from the horizontal resolution. The 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, the same as in the HTC Incredible and Sprint EVO 4G, functions snappily. There's a 5-megapixel camera on the back, a VGA camera for video calling on the front, and a MicroSD memory card slot under the back cover."

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  1. This article is boss by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can someone please quantify "sharp" for me?

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    1. Re:This article is boss by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Y'know sharp like the edges of a Archos MP3 brick when the ipod came out. Holding one of these huge things to your head to talk will have everyone laughing like it was an episode of Bean. This will get the brown Zune prize for 2010.

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    2. Re:This article is boss by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Huge iPhone like device. Not something you want to hold up to your ear, bluetooth recommended just to hold down the Geek-factor.

      http://www.androidcentral.com/dell-streak-coming-att-later-summer

      Speculation about carrier based on the frequencies is at best guesswork, because new radios can be swapped into the design very easily. Most radio chipset manufacturers can give you a radio with the same pin-outs and die size for any flavor of cell system you want to talk to, and the programming interfaces are all standardized as well.

      It could be on sprint tomorrow if they wanted.

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    3. Re:This article is boss by subspacemsg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Huge iPhone like device. Not something you want to hold up to your ear, bluetooth recommended just to hold down the Geek-factor.

      http://www.androidcentral.com/dell-streak-coming-att-later-summer

      Speculation about carrier based on the frequencies is at best guesswork, because new radios can be swapped into the design very easily. Most radio chipset manufacturers can give you a radio with the same pin-outs and die size for any flavor of cell system you want to talk to, and the programming interfaces are all standardized as well.

      It could be on sprint tomorrow if they wanted.

      Bluetooth is holding down the Geek factor? lol

    4. Re:This article is boss by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well there's also this.

    5. Re:This article is boss by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, it's as sharp as the images are tight

      I think Michael Bolton from Office Space wrote this review.

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    6. Re:This article is boss by icebike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bluetooth is holding down the Geek factor? lol

      Sadly, bluetooth is becoming commonplace. Hands free driving laws pretty much mandate the technology. Maybe not in rural Iowa, but common enough everywhere else.

      Nobody is going to want to hold a slab the size of this phone to their head for very long.

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  2. Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on - how can anyone sell an Android 1.6 device with a straight face in this day and age?

    No wonder it's going to AT&T. AT&T hates Android and so far has only carried the worst and most crippled Android devices on the market.

    1. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by Talez · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is the problem with trying to faux-innovate by creating an "experience".

      For starters, Dell is shit at it. Second of all, you spend so long tailoring it to the firmware version you started it on that it's now obsolete and the default experience is a million times better anyway.

      IMHO Dell needs to differentiate themselves in two ways:

      1) By a "build your own smartphone" model using a couple of different form factors (tablet, slider, flip) with commodity snap in parts that are user customizable (screen tech/screen size/flash space/CPU+GPU combo/camera) that would allow them to deliver any phone in any segment at any price point.
      2) Keeping up with the latest version of Android and providing the latest default Android experience as soon as possible. Make a generic firmware, stuff it with all the drivers you might need for all of the hardware used in the different combinations and release it quick. Sell on volume, sell on having the latest and greatest Android features available to customers a week after the general release and laugh at HTC promising firmware updates at some undetermined point in the future.

      If you give people what they want and quickly you won't have to differentiate yourself with all of this experience wank. You can just sell them whatever they want and sell them by the truckload because you're DELL. When people just want a laptop they jump on Dell's website, price one up, it's cheap as chips and they buy it. Just do the same damn thing with smartphones already.

    2. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by Urza9814 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess "Release early, release often" is not a proper strategy here. I suspect Google managers are simply not mature enough (too young, in other words) to understand the business needs and do what is right.

      I disagree. I mean in a year or two I would imagine that development will naturally slow down a bit. But their options right now are to either release frequently and have some fragmentation, or release rarely and have people stuck on very old releases that don't have the features they want. Remember all the complaints about how long it took Apple to get MMS on the iPhone? Besides, as far as Google is concerned, implementing the latest version isn't really their problem.

    3. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by tftp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Releasing a product in commercial space requires stability. Sure, you can't have everything in the release 1.0, but every release must be a solid product. If you look back, each DOS release was fine; most Windows releases were OK (as Windows goes,) and IIRC even OS/2 releases were reasonably mature.

      The major point here is to avoid the upgrade treadmill. I can understand frequent upgrades if they are seamless. But in Android they are not. Each OEM has to customize a base Android system to their hardware, and a handheld thing can have 10-20 different hardware items to worry about - the CPU itself, the display controller, the touch controller, the battery charge controller, WiFi, Ethernet, BT, compass, GPS... so it's a lot of work to the OEM to upgrade from 1.x to 1.(x+1). If you make them do it often they just say "stuff it, we won't be upgrading anything" and then you are stuck. In my work I occasionally have to upgrade frameworks. Qt offers a great example, especially when 3.x to 4.x transition changed *everything* and required rewrite of major pieces of code. Such an upgrade is often out of consideration even - the library pieces then get checked in along with your sources, and that's that.

      So IMO regardless of what Google wants to do, what they are doing is not working. Google people just don't understand what their releases are doing to the industry. Imagine yourself an OEM that plans a gizmo. If you pick Android you start development one day and never end, until the product is EOLed. That is hardly a winning strategy. If I were such an OEM I'd rather pick a no-name OS that at least allows me to build a product and let it be. If my product doesn't report its OS version I'm OK. If my product reports that it's Android x.y then it's already bad news - there is already a newer release by Google, and who will buy my gizmo then? Business-wise, Google is on a losing path here.

      Besides, as far as Google is concerned, implementing the latest version isn't really their problem.

      I'm afraid you are right and Googlers indeed harbor that foolish idea. But that very fact *is* their problem. They have enough cash to play ostrich for a few years, but the reality couldn't care less about what Google thinks. Reality deals with things that exist.

    4. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by beguyld · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Very good summary.

      Quite likely the issue is that Google is a web company, and in that world new software is almost continuously rolled out.

      So the decision makers don't have any person real-world experience with commercial devices containing firmware; which is very difficult to upgrade once it leaves the factory. (at least major version changes, for the reason you noted)

      This actually makes me wonder if Meego will be a sleeper. Nokia IS a phone company, so they understand that world. Trolltech has been playing with real world customers in the embedded world for a long time.

      Intel is in a different world, but I expect they are providing more funding than SW development. They will have decision making clout. But Intel is a hardware company, run by hardware engineers. And those guys think that once something goes out the door it's frozen forever. Very different then the Google web-based, "let's try this for a few hours in Ohio, and we can always roll it back if it doesn't work" way of thinking.

      It's not so much about "thinking" but about one's own decades of personal experience, which affects how we see the world and what decisions we'll tend to make.

      There are of course many factors which go into mass market acceptance, so I would not want to make any bets just yet about a dominant phone/tablet OS 5 years from now. But it will be interesting to watch.

    5. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Informative

      By a "build your own smartphone" model using a couple of different form factors (tablet, slider, flip) with commodity snap in parts that are user customizable (screen tech/screen size/flash space/CPU+GPU combo/camera) that would allow them to deliver any phone in any segment at any price point.

      Ever notice how phones and tablets tend to have SoC's from 6-12 months ago? Like the Snapdragon here when they've already got Snapdragon II running or the Droid/Pre/iPhone/Pod/Pad's A8 when the A9 has been out for a while and they are already flogging the A10 at Computex? A device that small has to be drawn out months in advance so all the components can be fabricated and any glitches in the assembly process ironed out. This isn't like plugging a PCI card into a motherboard -- almost every component is a custom part and every cubic millimeter of the device is taken.

      Make a generic firmware, stuff it with all the drivers you might need for all of the hardware used in the different combinations and release it quick.

      I don't know about the Android ecosystem but I used to be into WinMo hacking (before the birth of Android and the death of my free time )and this was straight impossible. Even the bootstrap sequence varied from phone to phone, as did vital kernel settings, radio settings and really just about everything. I would not be at all surprised if this was simply impossible.

      Also, in the official world, you have to get validation from the OEM, the carriers and the regulatory agencies (if you touched the baseband) before pushing firmware. That alone takes time, plus they might bump it back to you if they don't like it.

    6. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by theridersofrohan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder where's that article about android fragmentation now? I remember comments claiming that talk of fragmentation is FUD!. How can you come up with an android 1.6 device in June 2010?

    7. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by tftp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I buy a device that is advertised as a computer, I expect that I control the software aspect of it, OS included.

      Sorry, a phone is not a general purpose computer. You can't control the software aspect of it without having access to the hardware aspect, and that is something you aren't going to get (from most OEMs, at least) - unless you want to buy a design from the OEM for some spare change like $100M or more. It's better to see the phone (or iPad) as a specialized device that also can run some simple and very limited software.

      This can change only after the phone undergoes the same standardization process as PCs did - and PCs did that only under MS's pressure to run DOS and Windows. There is no such pressure in the phone world; actually the opposite is happening - each OEM makes his phone in a slightly different way to carve a new niche in the market. This means that firmware of these devices is diverging fast.

    8. Re:Android 1.6? Is this a joke? by tftp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I take it reality gets to ignore that android phones have overtaken iphones in sales in the last quarter?

      You need to consider that phones that were sold in last quarter started in design a year ago. I don't think OEMs were cognizant of the rapid pace of Android development at that time. Android offered them a good entry path into a high-end smartphone market. However once OEMs discover the pain of endless upgrades that may change. Another problem is that it's not trivial to even upgrade an OS on a handset over the air; there is always a risk of bricking, and then you need JTAG to fix that, which means RTM. Large OEMs manufacture hundreds of thousands of handsets and ship them overseas for sales, there is no way for them to upgrade those when they are sitting in boxes on shelves. There are no gnomes inside the boxes to keep upgrading the handsets even if the OEM is willing to continually rebuild the firmware image to match the latest Android release.

      So this Dell product pinpoints when its development started - at some point when 1.6 was the latest release, which was between Sep. 16, 2009 and Oct. 26, 2009 (yes, that's only 40 days!) And now that the product is done, it's already obsolete. How can you, as an OEM, live with that? It's not a disaster yet - the thing just needs the new firmware image, but it's a powerful reminder that the OS maker can at any time torpedo your product by releasing a new version, and then you are back to square one. It's much, much worse if you just finished a manufacturing run and are now stuck with thousands of obsolete units that nobody will buy. How much will it cost you to open each box and individually upgrade each unit? Probably more than it will cost to plow the whole run into a landfill and order a new one.

      It's not a problem that is unique to phone OEMs; PC makers (the same Dell, for example) are aware of that too. But MS releases new versions rarely and on schedule, and everyone knows years in advance what's coming. The new release of Android will be available who knows when, and it will have who knows what new functions. "Roadmap? We don't need any stinking roadmap! We release when it's ready!"

  3. some experts *believe* that it will be AT&T... by PaulBu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... while this "expert" have even seen a SIM card with AT&T logo on one of the photos in slideshow! :)

    Paul B.

  4. Bad Form Factor by HandleMyBidness · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The picture in that article makes me think this is the exact wrong size for every use it's designed for, especially as a phone.

    1. Re:Bad Form Factor by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed. It reminds me of how I came to hate the Newton for its size (among other reason): too big to put in your pocket, too small to serve as a serious device for reading or writing.

      I own an HTC Hero (named "Dudley"; anybody get the joke?) with a 3.2" screen. For me, that's the perfect size — any bigger or smaller and it's a literal pain to use. (My left hand spasms if I even think about some of the other phones I've used.) If they're going to make a device bigger, it needs to be a lot bigger, so that there's enough screen real-estate for serious business.

      Unfortunately, you can't specify an arbitrary size for an LCD panel: you have to go with whatever the manufacturers find it worthwhile to set up production lines for. (That's why monitor makers switched to landscape layout at the same time as the switch to digital mandated it for TVs.) Maybe if thousands of people went to the window and yelled "I'm as mad as hell, and I want an 8x8 LCD!"

    2. Re:Bad Form Factor by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      The obvious way to improve it would be to move the microphone and speaker to the side, and maybe change the shape to be more like a taco and less like a phone book.

      Side Talkin' never went out of style.

    3. Re:Bad Form Factor by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can run C code with the NDK.

      Of course, when people talk about Android fragmentation, they don't know it, but they're really talking about the NDK. If you stick to Java your program is fairly easy to keep working across versions. If you use the NDK, it's graphics programming in the late '90s again with a ton of different GPUs and odd CPU quirks to deal with.

    4. Re:Bad Form Factor by MechaShiva · · Score: 2, Funny

      Be fair. It's less bulky than most tissue boxes so that's got to count for something, right?

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    5. Re:Bad Form Factor by beguyld · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So in other words, Android is a commercial success, but is poorly designed?

      I've been programming embedded devices (including Linux systems using OpenEmbedded, etc), desktop systems from PCI drivers to GUIs for 20 years, so I understand the issues, but I haven't studied the Android architecture yet.

      So I don't understand why this is such an issue. Sounds worse than a standard Linux distribution. Which again makes me wonder if Meego has a better chance long term because a lot of the KDE/Qt developers are involved. KDE just works on various size monitors, right?

      Just seems like Android is not so well designed, and rushed out by a server software company, assuming that Java is the answer to everything.

      I say that partially tongue in cheek, as I know Google uses a lot of other languages. Though they are fundamentally a server software company, not an embedded software company; which is bound to affect their gut instincts on architecture.

      Almost every developer I talk to says they would like to do Android development, as they are interested in the concept of programming for an open phone, but they aren't interested in using Java to do it. Pretty much the way I feel. I still might, but I'd rather just use Qt in C++, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Meego does in the future.

      Which partly asks the question: Can Intel get back market share in the phone/tablet market from the ARM hordes? I suspect the answer is that they have a chance for tablets, though phones will be more challenging. Maybe impossible with an x86 architecture, given the small batteries. But who knows...

  5. Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A phone with a pathetic screen resolution on a pathetic carrier with a dog-old version of Android.

    I mean, I want an Android tablet, but I'm simply not settling for this.

    1. Re:Just what we need by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no such thing as an Android Tablet. Google doesn't officially make an OS for tablets yet, they're holding off on ChromeOS for that. These are just hackjobs by manufacturers trying to get in on the iPad hype.

    2. Re:Just what we need by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > There is no such thing as an Android Tablet. Google doesn't officially make an OS for tablets yet,

      If someone puts Android on a tablet then at that point you can say that Google officially makes an OS for tablets. What Google intends to do, or where it expects an OS to run is neither here nor there.

    3. Re:Just what we need by Quarters · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've got it completely backwards. Google has said on numerous occasions that ChromeOS is for netbooks. They are pushing Android as their tablet OS.

    4. Re:Just what we need by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's too large for a phone, but too small for a tablet. I don't know what niche it's supposed to take, because I don't see any I'd want to use it in.

      Given that there are much more compelling Android offerings both in phone and in tablet space, I don't see why anyone would bother.

    5. Re:Just what we need by darjen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah, I would definitely wait before it actually has 2.2 installed before actually pulling the trigger. promises alone aren't enough for me to spend $500 on any device.

    6. Re:Just what we need by Kitkoan · · Score: 3, Informative
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    7. Re:Just what we need by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's the difference between a tablet and a netbook apart from a physical keyboard? Why do they need completely different operating systems?

      Never having used either of these OSs, my impression of Android is pretty favourable - it's like a open iPhone OS - whereas my impression of Chrome is that it's some ridiculous attempt to enable a vision of cloud computing (using Google's services) and pushing that service-as-a-platform idea down people's throats, than having a good operating system that is principally about doing what people want their device to do and doing it well.

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  6. Different ways to look at things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What are the earmarks of a true tablet? Is it size? I think a 5-inch screen is too small to be called a tablet. It's large enough to watch movies and fill the Android interface with app icons, but you still have to type with your thumbs. In my opinion, tablets are supposed to fill in for laptops when you don't want the bulk of a screen and physical keyboard. The iPad fits that model.

    I look at it another way: The iPad is so big that it doesn't fit in my pocket, so I need to carry it in a case, so I may as well carry a laptop and get a proper keyboard and the myriad of missing iPad features that we've all been over. And I still have to carry a phone, too.

    I don't know about the Streak yet, but it does seem to me that it would still be pocket-sized and would give me a larger screen than my phone. For someone who needs a phone, but uses it more for texting and surfing, it could be very suitable.

    1. Re:Different ways to look at things by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the video in this article Dell executive Ron Garriques says that fitting it into a pocket was "really the whole design point".

  7. Does it come with... by dustin_0099 · · Score: 5, Funny

    a free Xbox 1 controller?

  8. Re:Tablet or Phone? by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If there is a difference, people will have to buy both.

  9. May as well... by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The iPad is so big that it doesn't fit in my pocket, so I need to carry it in a case, so I may as well carry a laptop

    That's where you lost me.

    Because a laptop doesn't need a case. It needs a bags, with accessories and so on.

    The iPad has long enough battery life you don't need to pack power cords "just in case", and really have nothing else to bring with it. It's still much more portable than a laptop and easier to drag around an office or into meetings.

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    1. Re:May as well... by Nerdfest · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are a few 10" netBooks with 10 hour battery life. I have a 9" Acer with an 8+ hour life. I carry it in a sleeve to meetings, etc, for notes.

    2. Re:May as well... by Ixokai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Define "10 hour battery life" for me-- is that claimed, or based on "moderate usage", or? And how moderate is moderate, if that's it?

      Because I've never seen a laptop which got anywhere near the claimed battery life with what I consider "moderate" usage... and most die out from 2 to 4 hours of continual usage. Let alone if you're doing something intense, i.e. watching a video. I may be wrong: I've never used a netbook, and maybe these netbook makers finally managed (since I stopped using laptops a few years ago) to get battery life to actually useful levels.

      The iPad's 10 hour battery life is 10 full hours of real continual usage. Really, its like 11 hours of real work if you aren't on the 3G the whole time and aren't streaming over WIFI, but about 10 even if you are. And about 9 if you're on the 3G. Even if you're spending all that time doing intense stuff, like watching a video. Or playing games.

      It does make a difference in the usability of the device.

    3. Re:May as well... by dave562 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And further add to the discussion, as long as it requires having some sort of "bag" that bag probably has room for other common things that people carry around like writing implements, paper, books, etc. Making the statement that you don't need a case for an iPad is kind of like saying you don't need a briefcase for your papers. Sure, you could walk around with a couple of file folders tucked under your arm, but a briefcase is a lot more convenient. (If you're some sort of hipster who is morally opposed to the idea of a briefcase and the connotation it has with "the man", feel free to substitute messenger bag, or other metro-sexual approved fashion accessory.)

    4. Re:May as well... by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bag, case, whatever. Let's abstract this down to what the problem is: The iPad means I still have to use a hand to carry it, whether holding it, having it under my arm, in a bag, case, whatever. It's the same problem in that sense as a laptop.

      You are seriously stretching the similarity here. The iPad is significantly more portable than a notebook (even a thin 13" notebook, like a MacBook Pro). Even if you ignore the process of disconnecting the cords and putting it into a bag or sleeve as well as carrying any accessories (like power adapter), and just focus on transporting it, the experience is not even remotely comperable.

      The only notebooks I would consider anything close to similar to carrying an iPad is either a MacBook Air, or one of the thinner netbooks.

      The differences are then down to weight. I can carry my laptop just fine. In the bag. With a power charger. So weight isn't a problem.

      Except then you're now toting a bag around. Having commuted with notebooks, netbooks, iPads, and iPhones, I can tell you there's a very noticeable difference between each of them. The difference between an iPhone and an iPad is comparable in magnitude to the difference between an iPad and a small (13") notebook.

  10. Comparison with the EVO by pwnies · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just got the EVO today, and while it isn't as large as the Dell Streak, it is significantly larger than most smartphones in its class. One of the things I noticed was that although it's a joy to type on, it isn't so nice holding it up to your ear. It feels bulky holding it up against your head - however I can still use a headset and keep the device in my pocket. The significantly larger size of Dell means that a.) I wont be able to keep it up to my head without it feeling awkward, and b.) I wont be able to keep it in my pocket and use a headset. I can't see a reason to want a device of this size. It's at the perfectly wrong size, in fact.

  11. What's the correct form factor for this niche? by Nemilar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen a few devices of this size (the Archos 7 comes to mind; and I've seen them on the internet, not in person, mind you) and I think it's interesting to watch the industry try to figure out the correct form factor for this new niche that is emerging. Obviously it is going to be something larger than a cellphone and smaller than a laptop -- but what, exactly?

    This Dell Streak, I think, is the exact wrong size. It's quite a bit larger than a phone, and it doesn't look like something that you want to carry around all day in your pant pocket. One of the reason cellphones have become so popular is because they are so small (and light-weight). Remember that for several years, the major thing about cellphones is that they were getting smaller and smaller? Compare a phone from, say, 2000, with a phone from today. Why would anyone want to reverse direction on that? It's too large for a phone.

    On the opposite end, it looks too small to do any actual work. A netbook-sized screen is good for emails and browsing, but it's not very useful for doing serious business. And this thing is much smaller than a netbook. I don't think that's the aim, of course -- I think it's more aimed to the niche that the iPod targets; gaming, "always-on" style internet access, etc.. But I have to wonder if the device is too small for these things, as well. I think it might very well be.

    But the overwhelming thing we seem to be seeing is that there are plethora of devices being released, each being in some significant way different from the next; companies are trying to find out what consumers want in a device like this. Maybe Apple has proven it with the iPad, given its popularity; they did that with the iPod, and now the market is full of MP3 players which are essentially iPod clones. But remember when MP3 players were first coming to market, there were many different form factors, many different storage devices (Sony had that thing with the mini CDs, for example), until it became clear what consumers want. The same thing should/will happen here; and I believe it's quite possible it's already happened with the iPad, and anyone making anything substantially different will wind up falling behind.

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    1. Re:What's the correct form factor for this niche? by Nemilar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely agree about the slide out keyboard. I had a BB Curve a while ago, and I loved the hard keys. I moved to the BB storm because I desired a touch screen (I feel like a touch screen enables a smartphone to be anything, since it can turn the UI into anything), which was nice, but I greatly missed the hardkeys when typing out a necessarily long email while on the go. I moved to the Palm Pre Plus largely for this feature, and I absolutely love it.

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  12. One question before I run out and buy it by bedouin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I sync it with my Dell DJ?

  13. Why Android? by Weezul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An N900 running Maemo is way more fun.. and MeeGo will be more fun in the future.

    In fact, I see tremendous value in pushing the screen real-estate for phones, sure some people won't buy the bigger phone, but you might hit that optimal size for many people.

    That said, you'll never break into a larger screen size using only a virtual keyboard. Anyone who'll buy the oversized phone will require the real keyboard for more computer like functionality, like writing emails.

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    1. Re:Why Android? by beguyld · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That said, you'll never break into a larger screen size using only a virtual keyboard. Anyone who'll buy the oversized phone will require the real keyboard for more computer like functionality, like writing emails.

      Yeah, the iPad hasn't sold at all...

      There seem to be two camps. One who is happy with the 95% of what the iPad can do. And the other who is all pissed off that it isn't a full laptop. Maybe this is a new device category? (and there are ways to use a keyboard with an iPad, when needed; and that should work for similar Android/otherOS tablets as well)

  14. Ok then by Boarder2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks ugly.
    Old customized version of Android. (have to wait for Dell to update it)
    Too big to comfortably fit in your pocket.
    Too small to use for an extended period of time.

    And people wonder why Apple is doing well.

  15. no physical keyboard by Weezul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you want a device that size, chances are you'll also what the physical keyboard, well otherwise your probably writing kanji.

    I'm also curious why people are attracted to Android. I've found that my N900 definitely has limitations, especially no printing. Yeah, I could always install cups and ghostscript just like Linux, but I'd need to micromanage the ghostscript driver installation, well plus the apps don't offer print buttons. How does printing work on Android?

    I'm also not terribly happy with x11vnc on the N900. It'd rock if my phone's screen would just pop up on my desktop, but x11vnc is unbearably slow over wifi, making only usb networking pleasent for sharing screens. I'm obviously very happy the N900 has pdflatex svn, git, and rsync, but I've only actually used rsync. Android must have an rsync implementation, but what about svn and git?

    Afaik, the N900's email program also lacks gpg integration. :(

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    1. Re:no physical keyboard by KlaymenDK · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm also curious why people are attracted to Android.

      Free and cross-platform development environment. Everything else requires either a Windows license, a Mac, or a considerable sign-up fee.

    2. Re:no physical keyboard by Weezul · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could install cups and ghostscript on an N900 too, or just use an ssh script, but you've got no integration with the native apps for email, web, etc. Android doesn't offer that either.

      x11vnc is for interacting with the phone from the computer, which lets you carry out more involved tasks more quickly. It sadly doesn't hardly work over wifi, only usb networking.

      Subversion (svn) and CVS are centralized version control programs, while Mercurial (hg) and Git are distributed ones.

      TeX is the only typesetting system in the world suitable for preparing professional quality documents with any significant amount of mathematics. You'd never actually write a (La)TeX document on an Android device of course, but you might modify one.

      All these programs are not exactly trivial to reimplement in Java, although you could port them to the Android NDK, which might cost you portability among Android devices. I'd imagine Android remote desktop apps all sacrifice portability by using the NDK for speed, btw.

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  16. FAIL by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hate to do this, but:
    1. Too big to be a good phone, too small and slow to be anything else.
    2. Resolution is no good for a "tablet."
    3. AT&T blows.
    4. Many people still hate touch-screen keyboards.
    5. Android 1.6. Are you serious? No, really. You are serious? Oh. Wow. And it's a non-standard version. M'kay.

    Haven't seen one yet, don't need to. The Streak will be another big brown streak for AT&T and Dell. FAIL

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  17. "Too large for a phone"? by jaffray · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Too large for a phone" is a matter of opinion. This is exactly the size of phone I've been waiting for. I want as large a screen as possible, without making it impossible to hold it to my ear for my (very occasional) voice calls, or conveniently carry it in a holster or (less often) a pocket.

    For me, a phone being tiny is of little value. Give me vast amounts of screen space, a large physical keyboard with hard keys with spacing and some travel distance, and a huge battery that won't run out even if I spend all day using it heavily in areas with poor signal. The Dell Streak isn't what I want, having only the screen space but not the physical keyboard and an unknown battery (and an obsolete OS), but the size? Perfect.

    "Not useful for serious business"? Depends on your business. Much of my business is coordinating employees via email and text message, keeping records in spreadsheets and simple text documents, and occasionally consulting and searching through previous emails and web-based resources. A smartphone with a 5" screen, a reasonable array of apps, and a keyboard that lets me do 50wpm, is just fine for this.

    Even my T-Mobile Sidekick was adequate for most of my business needs, despite the dubious browser and poor screen, thanks to the ultra-quick app switching and utterly fabulous hard keyboard unmatched by any other device. If Microsoft hadn't bought the platform, stripped it of development resources, and left it to die, I might still be using it.

    Sure, this large a phone isn't for everyone. But that's one of the lovely things about an open OS - you have choices in hardware. I'd rather use iPhone OS, it's a far smoother user experience, but where am I going to find an iPhone with a 4-5" screen? or a physical keyboard? or running on a carrier other than AT&T?

    1. Re:"Too large for a phone"? by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd rather use iPhone OS, it's a far smoother user experience, but where am I going to find an iPhone with a 4-5" screen? or a physical keyboard? or running on a carrier other than AT&T?

      China.

  18. Slashdot is pro-Apple by CrashandDie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Streak is a sharp-looking device with a black front and candy-apple red back that unfortunately shows fingerprints easily.

    Man, you can't have a single article about a mobile device on Slashdot without Apple being mentioned these days.