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Google's Plan To Save the News Through Reinvention

eldavojohn writes "It's no secret that Google doesn't create content, but rather helps people find it. And Google News is no different. So what does the company plan to do about complaints from the news industry that profits are dropping drastically? In a lengthy and comprehensive article, The Atlantic diagnoses the problem and looks at Google's plan to 'save' the symbiotic organism it is attached to, which older generations have traditionally branded 'the news.' The answer, of course, hinges on moving news from dead tree print to the information age via Google's many projects: Living Stories, Fast Flip, and YouTube Direct. But Google is also exploring the more traditional options of displaying ads and designing a paywall so users can easily migrate back to subscriptions like the newspapers of yore. You may also recall that last week the Internet was abuzz with the idiocy of suggestions the FTC had aggregated from inside the industry. Ars brings mention of other proposed plans, both good and bad, from the FTC's report on ideas that newspaper companies are kicking around."

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  1. Google Shouldn't by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Google should seriously just send a form letter to all news organizations. Do you want us to list your content? Yes / No?

    That will piss off these fuckers.

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    1. Re:Google Shouldn't by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like it. Old Murdoch will have to shit or get off the pot, then justify his actions to investors.

      Put up a paywall, or don't put up a paywall. Personally, I don't like Murdoch's kind of "news", and I don't read it for free - I sure as hell won't pay to read it.

      As has already been mentioned, the real "news" is being reported via the internet in many different ways already. If some old rich fools can't figure out how to make money off of what they have always done, and can't figure out a new way of doing it, then we are not obligated to KEEP THEM RICH!!

      When they get hungry, they can join the illegal aliens in ditch digging for their food.

      Oh, boo hoo, some prick born with a silver spoon up his ass might actually do some WORK? Oh, what is this world coming to?

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    2. Re:Google Shouldn't by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The truth is the old news model is dead. Years ago I used to get my news from the same three sources with only slight channel variation, the local newspaper, the local radio station and TV news. That is now gone forever. I have very little interest in only getting my news via those locked in sources any more.

      Generally I prefer to get the news from localised sources for international news, or news sources that align more closely with my interests at the time, or emailed updates from reputable sources, or even random stumbles. When it comes to getting more detail I much prefer to get a blog from a semi-professional journalists who is focusing in on a particular story.

      I very rarely go to a news site to read general news to see what is going on, in fact I haven't done it for years. Emailed news alerts, email news subscription and news as part of a internet portal are the becoming becoming the norm for access to the news.

      Oddly enough my only news lock in is a news lock out, an anti subscription to anything News Corp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation and Fox News, they would have to be one most corrupted multinational news source in the world and I specifically avoid them.

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    3. Re:Google Shouldn't by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      some prick born with a silver spoon up his ass might actually do some WORK?

      When pigs fly.

    4. Re:Google Shouldn't by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. What google news, by its aggregation, so eloquently proves is that 99% of the "top stories" content out there is completely redundant - most papers provide just a token tweaking of a newswire story. We don't need a hundred versions of that. I think a more serious threat than google is wikinews - the sum of many writers, combined with clear citations linked to the story and an edit history is already becoming my first choice of where to look on complex issues where I want the facts and current situation.

  2. Adwords it by Zerth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every article gets an Adword block, Google takes a smaller cut than usual, and the newspaper gets paid.

    Shortly after that, the better independent writers will probably start publishing to Google directly.

    1. Re:Adwords it by hitmark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      or run a blog with a cut from google each time their article shows up on news.google.com when a ad gets clicked.

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  3. Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article:

    One Google employee who asked not to be named mentioned another report on journalism's future and pointed out a section called "Focus on the User." "They just mean, 'Get money out of the user,'" he said. "Nowhere do they talk about how to create something people actually want to read and engage with and use." On the topic of engaging modern users, Google feels very confident right now, and the news business feels very nervous. Apart from anything else, that certainty gap makes Google important to the future of the news.

    So far I am completely unimpressed with Google's attempts at engaging the modern user. I use a lot of Google's products but none of them are really "engaging". Yeah, they're trying different engagement tactics such as copycatting the "like" feature and adding social commenting to Google Reader. They've tried and failed to engage people with Wave and Buzz. They have some input on Google News from "pros". Otherwise, it's just your typical aggregator. Not impressed.

    Now, the whole getting money out of the user thing is all the newspaper industry cares about. While some are coming around to the fact that community is what is most important, right now at least, to their bottom line they are so far behind the curve that they may never catch up. Blogs are great not only for the content they aggregate or create themselves and deliver for free, but the commenting that's permitted, encouraged and which flourishes far better than on any newspaper site.

    Once Google stops concerning itself with pandering to the pay-for desires of the other industries, perhaps the lessons and wars waged and won on the blogs will make themselves known to others. Until then the newspaper industry, even with Google backing them in some sort of lame attempt at winning a war they lost 10 years ago, will continue its slow death.

    1. Re:Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by Urza9814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So far I am completely unimpressed with Google's attempts at engaging the modern user. I use a lot of Google's products but none of them are really "engaging". Yeah, they're trying different engagement tactics such as copycatting the "like" feature and adding social commenting to Google Reader. They've tried and failed to engage people with Wave and Buzz. They have some input on Google News from "pros". Otherwise, it's just your typical aggregator. Not impressed.

      I don't think that most of Google's current products are _supposed_ to be engaging. Seems to me that they're supposed to be transparent. Google doesn't make content, they make content discovery and distribution. Ideally you wouldn't see their apps at all, you would only see the content.

    2. Re:Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      WD-40, known as "Water Displacement 40"... took years of development before it was perfected. The lightbulb, which took over a hundred years of researching thousands of filament materials before finding a good one. Duct tape, which started out as a way to seal ammo boxes during WWII somehow wound up finding its way into just about every major engineering undertaking in modern history, fashion, and a lot more.

      These are just one of the many technologies we now take for granted, and it was made possible by a combination of luck, research, and people finding applications for it that the designers hadn't intended. Google is an incubator of technologies -- they try a hundred different things to find one that works.

      There will always be a need for people to know what's going on in the world... And someone needs to produce that information, and then it needs to be packaged in a way that can be easily and quickly understood. People who want reliable information in a easy to use format will pay for it -- like intelligence agencies. People who don't need reliable information (which is most of us, most of the time) probably won't pay. Google is for the latter group.

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    3. Re:Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So far I am completely unimpressed with Google's attempts at engaging the modern user. I use a lot of Google's products but..."

      That's all 'Engaging' the user is about though. If you're using their products instead of their competitors, then they've done enough. I don't think Google is naive enough to think they can impress every single person with every single service they offer - with us 'old hands' especially, we've probably seen features elsewhere they haven't considered yet. That said, with the range they've got now they can easily get a lot of people roped into using two or three of their services - they're pretty consistent, and often better than anything 'Joe Bloggs' has seen.

      We're not really their core market, but the fringe. "The whole getting money out of the user thing is all" any business cares about, so it's natural that Google will go for the easy money before working on attracting the fringe users. Seems to work for them. :)

    4. Re:Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Google is an incubator of technologies -- they try a hundred different things to find one that works.

      So where's Google's 'WD40'?

      Perhaps I've missed something, but Google do advertising, web search, advertising, online email, online word processing, advertising, online maps, online photo storage, advertising and a few other odds and ends that are either old hat or just online versions of things people have done on PCs for years. If they're such a great technology incubator I'd be interested to know what great new technologies they've incubated; Google Earth is about the most innovative I can think of.

    5. Re:Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by ChatHuant · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google Earth is about the most innovative I can think of

      Google Earth wasn't new technology either; it's just a more webified version of the old Terraserver project at Microsoft, which had been operating for close to 8 years before Google launched Google Earth.

    6. Re:Newspapers need to team up with someone else... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative

      If they're such a great technology incubator I'd be interested to know what great new technologies they've incubated; Google Earth is about the most innovative I can think of.

      Well, I do believe Google Maps pretty well sparked the Web 2.0 trend, and was pretty loudly revered by all who saw it when it first came out.

      Google image search was a rather fundamental change, and GIS has become as much of a verb as Google. Others have since copied it, but before GIS, searching for images was vastly more painful.

      I'd suppose their back-end technology is pretty good as well. Containerized data centers, et al.

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  4. I'm allergic to kool aid! You can have mine! by gd23ka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The one reason people don't turn on the news anymore is because they can see
    the huge disparity between reality and the useless propaganda thrown into their
    faces - in between a bunch of commercials for diabetes drugs and anti-depressants
    and anybody who hasn't seen the scooter guy with that scooter you can get on
    Medicaid when the junk food and prescription drugs have worn you down to the point
    you can't walk anymore.

    Wrapping this pile of crap into a new Google News Fajita with extra kool-aid?
    Not going to work.

    Let me quote Zbigniew Brzezinski one of the globalist go-fers:

    "For the first time in all of human history mankind is politically awakened - that's a total new reality - it has not been so for most of human history.""

  5. Intelligent life? by swanzilla · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Idea FTA:

    Turn college students into journalists. "If the nation’s 200,000 journalism and mass communications students spent 10 percent of their time doing actual journalism," said one participant, "that would more than make up for all the traditional media jobs that have been lost in the past 10 years."

    You unintentionally stumbled upon a nice parallel there. Like the communications major looking for a nice engineer to marry, print media is out trolling for a sugar daddy.

  6. The problems is that the... by strangeattraction · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that the people that created the problem are trying to solve it. This rarely works. The system is in flux and will remain so until a clear path is recognized by the consumer. ie I'll pay for NYTIMEs $14/yr but not $14/month. Cable TV is having a similar problem. The consumer wants ale carte but the providers want to maintain the status quo and keep your eyeballs 24/7. Unfortunately it is out of their hands. The market is fragmenting their structure is not sustainable with todays infrastructure providing more choices. Eventually some model will dominate and that will become the new status quo.

    1. Re:The problems is that the... by 2obvious4u · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as cable goes, they really need to get ale carte. Full catalog of every show ever made, on demand, with live sports packages per team. Different price points for "add supported", "add free", "add supported ale cart", "add supported unlimited", and "add free unlimited". Oh and prepaid metered and sports package only.

      I do believe the hold up isn't coming from the ISP/Cable companies, but from the content producers. In the current model they sell packages, so you're paying for the shit programming nobody watches. If only the shows that people watched got funded there would be a lot less on TV. That could be both a good and bad thing.

  7. Pay for impressions, not clicks by gahgah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google could help small publishers by paying for the number of impressions on its Adwords platform, rather than by the much smaller number of "clicks" generated by Adwords on small news sites. The article never actually outlines any plan by Google to help save news organization. The unstated "plan" apparently is for Google to buy up all the news organization after they've gone bankrupt.

  8. Reinventing News by sveiki_neliels · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doesn't FOX News "reinvent" the news every day?

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  9. Re:It would take Superman... by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He's dead, Jim. But guys like Murdoch are the new Lex Luthor; the newspaper publishers are killing their own businesses and blaming the internet.

    When you buy a dead-tree paper, you're paying for the cost of printing; or at least you used to. The rest is paid by advertisers, and some papers even give printed versions away for free. But the real reason newspapers are dying is because publishers are charging too damned much for them! When I was a kid, the St Louis Post Dispatch, a big city reputable paper, cost a dime. With the advances in printing technology you'd think it would'nt have gone up at much or even at all, but it's a buck now.

    And a world-wide readership should bring in MORE ad money than a local readership. "Ad blockers" they scream? Well, people don't block ads because they hate advertising, they block ads because they hate intrusive advertising.

    Someone with more brains and less greed could certainly make money in the newspaper business. They're killing themselves with their own greed.

  10. Reverse Subscription by Wiarumas · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had an awesome deal to receive a pretty well respected newspaper for only a dollar a month. This included daily papers and the big awesome paper on Sundays. I planned on having a grand ROI by utilizing the coupons which far exceeded the cost of subscription (not because I needed it, but because I have a sick, OCD financial mind). Anyways, fast forward a few months and I could not keep up with throwing these things out. Every morning I would kick the paper inside my door, and everytime I took trash out, I would take them to the recycling bin. After a while though, I had BOXES of newspaper all around my door. It was a MOUND of papers overflowing in several boxes. I did not open or read a single one of them. I meant to cancel, but it was one of those things that you just forget about and it was only a dollar so it was put on the back burner. Eventually, I DID cancel and guess what? THEY KEPT COMING. I called and complaint to take care of it, but it was almost to the point where I wanted to tell them that I would pay to have them stop being delivered. Which brings me to my idea of reverse subscription. Spam everyone with free papers daily. Advertise that you will stop bringing them for a monthly fee.

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    1. Re:Reverse Subscription by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... Which brings me to my idea of reverse subscription. Spam everyone with free papers daily. Advertise that you will stop bringing them for a monthly fee.

      Heh. It'd be fun if a newspaper company tried that.

      My favorite comment on this issue is that nobody every bought a newspaper because they wanted the paper. This point seems to be missed by most people who write about this topic.

      Actually, we have long had a use for newspapers in our house. Because of my wife's allergies to furry critters, we have pet birds. They're small parrots, actually, and as usual we use newspaper to line their cages. After we finally cancelled our subscription to the local newpaper of note (the Boston Globe), we were at first worried about finding good cage lining. But the free advertising that we get in the mailbox is partly in newsprint format, and we find that sufficient for our cage-lining needs. So we never actually needed the paper, after all. So far, there's no size that ads on cheap paper will ever die out.

      As for news, it's getting to be pretty obvious that electronic distribution is far superior to print. Of course, you have to have the sense to understand that not all news is reliable, and to read every story with a certain degree of skepticism. This problem is really helped by the ease with which one can pick out keywords and feed them to a news-search site to get multiple versions of the story with different biases. You can't really do that with printed news, but it's fairly easy for anyone with minimal familiarity with web search sites.

      Needless to say, news.google.com is a useful resource here.

      Now if slashdot's search thingy worked better than it does ...

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  11. Decentralization of news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its pretty obvious that creation and distribution of news is becoming decentralized. Now that the average person can make a reputable blog in minutes (assuming that what they have to say is worthwhile) there is no need for megacorps to push a very expensive distribution model involving dead trees and armies of journalists. Average people are the journalists of tomorrow and thank the Holy Noodle Monster for that considering the recent decline in journalistic integrity. People can use Google or other tools to quickly find what they are interested in even though there is a huge amount of material, and they can read it on their phones on the go or at their computer in the comfort of their home. You can compare sources to others around the world, instantly, and see where biases lay (lie? damn English!). You can have dialogs with people of all walks of life about any given article. There is no way for dead-tree news to beat this, and there is no way consumers will be willing to pay subscriptions for generic news on the internet, so to all the paper- or subscription-based news companies out there, I bid you farewell with a smug smile on my face. ;)

    The middle man age is ending, mainly due to the Internet, and the leeches are screaming as we burn them off their food source. This applies to the music industry and probably to TV and Hollywood next as independent YouTube production is beginning to flourish. Long live the Internet, the all-purpose tool of the people and the bane of the oppressor. Don't ever let them take it from us.

  12. Re:more ads. by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Funny

    How to save the news? More laser mining on the readers. More Ads.

    There, fixed that for you.

  13. A Balance Of News Powers Is Needed by assertation · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wouldn't be happy if either traditional news sources or news from the web went away. They are both needed to balance out each others shortcomings.

    Web sources of the news has forced mainstream media to cover stories that otherwise would have been buried.

    Mainstream media provides a base of credibility against the web where anyone can write anything.

  14. Want me to read the news? Even subscribe? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then let me tell you why the news industry lost me. It wasn't paywalls. It wasn't paper or plastic or bits.

    It was:

    • Opinion dumping instead of fact reporting outside the editorial bailiwick
    • Ridiculous woo-woo "alternate" POVs
    • Ultra-light content - there are others besides IQ 90 people out there! Let me remind you of this actual news format: [headline, easily comprehended summary, detailed exposition that actually covers the issue at hand well]
    • Web-fail: No or minimal links to relevant data, reporting. It's the LINKS, stupid.
    • Absurdly low-resolution images, if there even were images (1024 is quite low these days... you make newsies use decent resolution cameras like the Canon 5DmkII, then you give us these freaking 300...600px thumbnails... thanks for nothing!)
    • On the other hand, if a news story doesn't allow comments... how can the public discuss it? You inform. We talk it over. That's the way it's supposed to work.
    • "Hover" crippled sites - If I don't click, DON'T raise menus, windows. My mouse moves to get from here to there, not to find out the definition of your "keyword(TM)" somewhere along the way. And contrary to the presumptions of your moron web site designers, we do know how to click our mice when we want something oh-so-sophisticated (like a... menu.)

    I would honestly rather read some resourceful person's blog where they have gone to the trouble to find interesting, reasonable resolution images; linked to supporting information for their factual claims; and don't try to put in crazy "alternative" ideas like the idiocy of creationism, scientifically unsubstantiated claims of vaccine/autism, cellphone/cancer, angels, auras, and so on down the line of malarkey, and where I may comment upon the subject matter, provoking others to respond, which in turn often digs up more information, etc.

    To watch Fox News is to watch the poster child for the failure of an entire industry. To watch CNN is to listen to Kindergarten level expositions on celebrity hi-jinks when wars are raging. The web sites these companies have created are true lowest-common-denominator designs that are painful to anyone who can think their way out of a paper bag. If you're going to aim your content at only half the country, maybe you should be aiming at the half that can think. Or is that too frightening?

    And the news industry wonders why its income has dropped. Sheesh.

    PS: Spell check and grammar check too... maybe an intern could do that while you FACT CHECK and EDIT OUT YOUR OPINION!

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    1. Re:Want me to read the news? Even subscribe? by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This and similar phrases always mean "point of view I strongly disagree with", regardless of who uses them. There has never been an exception, and all claims to the contrary are lies.

      Yes, I designate as woo-woo, and strongly disagree with, and dispute that there are relevant relevant objective facts underlying creationism, the presumption of the actuality of "god(s)", actual data that demonstrate causative links from vaccines to autism, aliens anally probing us (much as some folks might prefer otherwise), ghosts, anything whatsoever to do with astrology other than locating general regions of the sky (e.g. the comet will cross Sagittarius in early June), any "healing" or other health functions of simple possession of any crystal in the quartz family with the possible exception of using one to rap you on the head if you claim they are "generators", "healers", provide "energy", etc.; I call woo-woo on phrenology, the efficacy of copper bracelets, magnets in your shoes, Scientology, and almost anything that comes out of Glen Beck's mouth. And I'm just warming up.

      But the reason isn't disagreement, per se, it is that there is zero underlying science, much less data, for these things. If they come up with data, that'll be another matter entirely. Disagreement is a consequence of the lack of data and supporting theory (or even tenable hypotheses) underlying these things.

      There has never been an exception, and all claims to the contrary are lies.

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