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Chinese Internet Addiction Boot Camp Prison Break
UgLyPuNk writes "A group of inmates at the Huai'an Internet Addiction Treatment Centre decided they'd had enough of the 'monotonous work and intensive training.' Working together, they tied their duty supervisor to his bed and made a run for it. The 14 patients, aged from 15 to 22, hailed a taxi to take them to a nearby town — but were uncovered when the driver took them to the police station instead, suspicious of the identically dressed young men who were unable to pay the fare."
First I escaped Slashdot Addiction Camp, and now this! What a perfect day.
which is totally what she said
Instead of playing WoW, are they just living it now?
but shouldn't 14 people in a single cab still be considered somewhat suspicious on it's own?
Who's the tank and who's the buffer?
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Lat time I read about it was how some "patients" were beaten to death. One wonders what will happen to escapees ...
-- Technology for the sake of technology is as pathetic as eschewing technology because it's technology.
Meanwhile, at home, mom and dad are watching their favorite dramas on television.
Expect the chinese government to spin this into a positive light for their work camp by "teaching teamwork and on-the-fly improvisational skills".
So, people claim that these kids ain't addicted or have a problem. But they assault their supervisor and have one most of the most ill out escape plans in history. Really, what was their destination going to be? Home? Their parents send them there. No money. Well HOW ABOUT WALKING THEN? No, lets hail a cab (more likely a bus service with 14 people but I guess Americans never heard of public transport) with no money in camouflage gear...
The Three Stooges could not have done it better.
This does for the proof that there is no such thing as game addiction what "I will beat up anyone who says games make me violent" does for the "video games don't cause violence" crowd. Or Jeremy Clarkson does for any issue. He is such a twat that anything he stands for is automatically a lost cause because if he is for it, it has got to be wrong. If you don't know who Jeremy Clarkson is, he is part of a program that tours Vietnam on a motorcycle with american songs blaring in the background. It is a blessing he wasn't born in America, or he would have thought driving through Vietnam on an motor painted in the American flag with Bruce Springsteen blaring from speakers was a good idea.
Anyway, back op topic. Spoiled kids escape from military school. Cry me a river. Beat them harder next time. If you game for 28 hours straight, you have a problem. Constipation for one.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
What's the age of [whateveritscalled] in China? i.e. Why do over 16/18 (?) year olds need to "escape"? Pressure from the government, or parents, or honour, or something else?
So, in China, you can pay a private firm to kidnap, lock up and abuse an adult, and if they escape, then the police will return them to the kidnappers?
So, do you just get to pick any adult, and is there a menu for the particular abuse that you want them to be subjected to? The mind boggles at the possibilities.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
I wanted to mod you up, but there's no option for "drug induced rambling."
This sounds like a great basis for an MMO! Addiction Camp Online or maybe World of Addiction Camp. It'll have a lot of grinding. You'll have to put some serious hours into it. But it'll all pay off when your character breaks free of his/her internet addiction and starts living a social, outdoorsy life. And you can do it all from the comfort of your bedroom!
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I wonder what their sentence will be? I hear in the addiction boot camps they use to get shock treatment [1]. So I kind of wonder what will be the punishment for this act? [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/14/china-electric-shock-internet-addiction
Sorry, but 22 can be a child as can 28, well dependent or child take your choice.
Like any law we have here, it opens doors for new expansion to other laws basing some of their rules on previous. Recently health care laws were changed to designate that adults up to 28 are dependents to their parents if so chosen. How is this different than the story in China? Someone is paying to put these children/adults/dependents into these camps to get them back on the road to a productive life. Reading the article the government seems to support their usage but I cannot tell if they pay the costs.
Your really reading far too much into the story. China already locks up who it wants so your scenario exists in the standard method - government oppression. This story is about parents or guardians voluntarily placing dependents into the care of a business whose job is to correct behavior. We have those in the US too. No need to tin foil hat this.
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So, in China, you can pay a private firm to kidnap, lock up and abuse an adult ...
Huh, you know, it's funny, until your post I have never associated this with Park Chan-Wook's OldBoy (South Korean film).
That's where they differ -- even the demented revenge plot of Oldboy couldn't dream that up.
My work here is dung.
being obsessed (addicted) to computers & the internet is not so bad, i can think of a lot worse things to be addicted to, heroin for example, hey as long as they take a break and go for a walk once in a while i see no problem with spending hours in front of a computer playing your favorite game or trolling some forum.
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I imagine a boot camp with scenes reminiscent of the conditioning in "A Clockwork Orange".
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14 patients?
Was that a taxi or a clown car?
"The last thing I want to do is deal with a bunch of people who want something."
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Cool...a real life escape game!
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one laptop/Ipads are now useful use one of these maybe
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- tie YOU to one tree and beat him with a lap top OR the ipad for a week
and considering the reality of china, where the state treats everyone like a slave, i can understand why so many in china would be addicted to video games. i would be too if i lived in china
there exists in china the lives of the rich in the coastal cities, who are able to afford some degree of freedom
but for the rest of the country, the majority, you have some sort of nightmare where the worst excesses of communist authoritarianism combine with completely unbridled capitalist rapaciousness, to produce a distinctly modern chinese breed of hell on earth for the poor in china. the state has no problem abusing you and propagandizing you, and the corporations have no problem working you like a mule, and will bribe the corrupt state authorities to get away with it
it really is not surprising that some workers are committing suicide in flocks:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-08/foxconn-says-personal-issues-not-wages-led-workers-to-suicide.html
modern china is a brutal corporatist authoritarian nightmare, the worst of communism and capitalism, mushed together as a hybrid schizophrenic hell
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I think a great movie could be made out of it. Starting with the depiction of a hard urban life of the Chinese youth, showing constraining traditionalism and society oppression. Then escaping from this life to the fantasy on-line world, and as a result, personal degradation (lack of sleep and nutrition, locking themselves in, moving away from relatives and society). Then arrest scene and life in camp. Reestablishing social bindings with other prisoners through uniting against guards and camp administration. Meeting persons, you only communicated with in MMORPG. A famous WoW 'celebrity' appears as a bony autistic teenager, who got beaten by his father. First love with a WoW-addicted girl. Secret brainstorming of an escape plan. The escape, as a first step towards adultery and freedom. The new life.
Ah, sweet nerd dreams...
Where is the next story Im starting to get the seizures!!!
Am i missing something here?
I may be off topic, but is not the whole point of this to get them OFF the internet...
you would think after treatment, just stay off the internet, then you get out, no?
If the treatment is for 1 month, bide your time, then leave for good behavior then
almost become like a secret agent, using the internet only when you really need to...at a friends house etc...
not to alarm your parents....I think it is more about disciplinary action...i do feel badly for the kids though if there
is abuse going on...if they are given a fair chance though to not use the internet and then they will be cured (per se)
then I guess it is their own fault, no?
"Treatment centres came under scrutiny last year, after a 15 year old boy was admitted to a training camp and was beaten to death mere hours later. Boot camp instructors involved in that incident have now been sentenced to up to 10 years jail, but it is not known if anything else has really changed to prevent it from happening again."
Of course it's not enough, they're Chinese... 10 yrs in prison sounds good enough deterrent to me, but obviously not to FA author...
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Uh, legal adulthood? I live in a civilised country, not China or the US, so I'm not sure why you think pointing out equally nobbed up US laws would be a compelling argument.
You're really reading far too little into the story. The (alleged) motivations behind the kidnappers is a strawman - would you support Scientology's right to kidnap, hold and abuse adults in order to "correct behaviour"? What matters is that victims are being held against their will by private individuals, with no recourse to help from the State.
Is that worse than the abuses carried out by the Chinese State? No, but it's a new type of abuse, and cold comfort to these new victims.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
... the story omits that they were immediately and summarily executed upon recapture. For the good of society, of course.
Now mothers across the US not only have the "Starving kids in China" analogy in their arsenal, but now they have "Kids are escaping detention centers in China for internet 1/10 as fast as yours!!!"
Is that the name of a new TV show ?
You forgot that it also takes the willpower of a human.
"Sacrifice for the good of The State" - The State
That was one hell of a big taxi.
You laid out the problem perfectly while blowing completely past it:
If the legal age of adulthood is 18, and the legal age for dependants gets increased above 18, and the parents want them to be dependants (so they can exert control) and the 18 year old wants to be an adult... What happens?
Essentially, all it would take to get out of this prison would to be to claim your adulthood.
However, its in China, and not in America. But if they had similar laws, that would be a problem.
Yeah, I think you're missing a few key points.
"Recently health care laws were changed to designate that adults up to 28 are dependents to their parents if so chosen."
At a minimum, you're playing fast and loose with the definition of "dependent" and glossing over the fact that a person cannot be coerced into dependent status at that age.
did Victorian England have legions of party workers censoring every little post on internet forums and tracking those who were too uppity? did Victorian England have absolute authority and control over the media?
the industrial revolution gave birth to communism and capitalism in its modern forms. China has adopted the modern forms of communism and capitalism, and then went through the industrial revolution. Combine that with a throughly Chinese obsession with learned bureaucratic efficiency (it's not hard to understand the derivation of the term "mandarin": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_(bureaucrat)), and the absolute power wielded by the grumpy old technocrats in Beijing, and you have the makings of a slave state unlike any that has existed in the history of the world.
China is special, and not in a good way. It takes the worst excesses of Communist and Capitalist philosophies to derive a brutal machine of production. Which is fine if you are rich and live in Shanghai. Not so good if you are a poor slave, which is what the majority of Chinese are becoming. Denied the right to express themselves or speak openly, denied a justice system which has their best interests in mind, and ruled over by alternately corrupt local bosses and ideologues concerned about building a modern colossus, regardless of the human and environmental costs, and you have the life of the modern Chinese slave.
Its not pretty and the machine is growing in power every day. Worry about that. China needs human rights, or soon we won't have human rights.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Now that's a yellow cab!
What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
Pft. 28 hours only? Amateur.
Who the hell added "crime" as a tag ?
And why is "internet use" even considered as something that needs to be cured ?
Will book reading be next ?
That title is a front. It is a camp for political dissadents. It is one tool of many for rounding people up. There is nothing funny about this. US should look to it's own 'No Fly' list if it wants to see the future. Oops.. guess I have to post Anonymous now..
If you thought boomer's children were being coddled, wait until you see what happens in China. With the one-child policy in place three decades now, each child has six adult relatives to pamper them. Therefore many rarley learn important life skills like cooking, laundry and dating.
Saying that "Parents can choose to leave their kids on their Health Care plan until they are 28" is nowhere near the same as saying that kids are legal dependents of their parents until they are 28. An 18 year old is legally an adult in all ways that matter. They are not allowed to drink and gamble in some jurisdictions, but those are considered additional privileges above and beyond majority (stupid in my opinion, but legally and logically defensible). At the age of 18 you can choose to do whatever you like, though there may be consequences to those choices. If you're 18 and your parents tell you to go to rehab, you can say "no" and they can't make you. They can stop supporting you, tell you that you can longer live in their house, or cut off your health insurance, but they can't employ any sort of physical or legal force to make you go.
That is the definition of legal adulthood. You are freed of any requirement to obey your parents, they are freed of any financial responsibility for you. Now, having said that, many people, probably a large majority of people, continue to provide some level of support to their young adult children out of love and affection. Many, probably a large majority, of these young adult children chose to accept that support and continue to respect their parents advice or even obey their orders. Usually out of a combination of reciprocal love and affection and a mercenary desire to not lose the extra support. One should not confuse this voluntary symbiotic relationship with a legal status of required dependency.
The *only* people in the US who are both over 18 years of age *and* in a legally required dependent status are people that have been declared mentally incompetent in a court of law.
I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
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Recently health care laws were changed to designate that adults up to 28 are dependents to their parents if so chosen.
I'm pretty sure you can't just chose to have a 28-year-old be your dependent. There's usually some sort of requirement that they actually be dependent on you, such as living in your household. The reason that you can have a dependent that's over 18 (and therefore legally an adult) is that most college students, and many recent graduates, do not yet have enough income to establish their own household.
I wonder what will the North American style of Rehab routine should be, just in case. Apparently, the routine is not interesting for these kids and they make a break for it.
In some terms, we suck on to something (may be more than one thing, and different depth[level] of sucking on to them) in these modern day life. So, what is the best routine?
Currently, what I am sucking onto:
Work, cash, travel, technology(programmer that I am).
so unimportant, you can have all of the financial growth you want, but people's quality of life won't improve (except if you are rich)
the giant irony is that the communist party (in name only) is recreating the social conditions which led the revolution which created it in the first place. if the average guy on the street has no rights, i don't care how hypercapitalist you are, all of that pursuit of profit just means there will be a few more rich in shanghai
either china delivers on real improvement in people's lives, by focusing on their RIGHTS, or they are fomenting social instability. social stability is NOT guaranteed by a deathgrip on the media and the internet. why the grumpy old technocrats don't understand that is beyond me. they need to relax social and political controls, for the sake of a better china
so the issue is that for all their wisdom and learned intelligence, the grumpy old technocrats suffer from the simple human weakness of fear of letting go. and china will suffer for it, mark my words
all china is experiencing now is the worst excesses of the gilded age in the west, without any of the social and political growth that the west went through in the gilded ages as well, because the government of china won't let it. oh that growth will come, but it will come in explosive social upheaval that threatens the stability of the entire country, just because the government suffers from the weakness and folly that it thinks it has to control everything
the chinese worker is not going to live in meek slavelike deference forever while the rich cavort in shanghai. its a social injustice that china really should be more aware of than us in the west, because it was the same social injustice which led to the communist revolution a short time ago, all well within the span of lives of people still alive today. a worker's collectivist upheaval against a bourgeoise communist party seems like a hilarious absurdity, but that's where we are headed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/business/global/09labor.html
UNLESS the government starts delivering on human rights. NOW
i'm reminded of another union force that toppled a communist regime, in poland, not too long ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
the interbalance in the game between military strength, economic strength, strategic resources, domestic tranquility, and scientific research is compelling and "can also be a unique tool for understanding the world" as you say
that being said, i was a fucking addict. its hard to say the same thing about books and magazines. the timesuck represented by the "just one more turn" impulse, and watching the sun rise when you thought it was evening: that's addiction, and its dangerous, and its real
stop making excuses for bad behavior
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Where is the work addiction camp? foxconn factory? no wait that is slave camp.
The law does require health insurance companies to treat children under 28 as dependents. Just like the federally set alcohol age and the new credit card law require retailers and banks to view people under the age of 21 as mentally incompetent. So while 18 maybe the standard of legal majority for most things (certainly not "whatever you like"--you have to wait another lifetime before you can run for president), the government can move the border of "adulthood" at its pleasure, and even pre-teens can be "tried as adults".
22 year old = reeducation camp? Does posting some stuff on line that china does not like make you end up in a camp like this.
assuming you are posting from china, try criticizing it for once
oh you wouldn't dare would you? what would happen to you if you criticized the regime politically from within china?
but ignore me, i'm obviously just a propagandized westerner
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You are either deliberately or ignorantly misunderstanding what makes someone an adult in our society. The health care law provides parents and children the options of continuing a voluntary dependency past the age of 18. If the parents chose not to pay for a (adult) child's health care, or the (adult) child chooses not to accept the parent's health care (either because they have better or simply want to be "independent") they may do so. This may result in the (adult) child being fined when the mandatory coverage clause kicks in, but it remains the option at both the parent and the child level. The kid is an adult: their parent are not forced to cover them, and they are not forced to accept the coverage. The only one being forced into anything is the insurance company, who is simply required to keep the option open. This is more along the lines of a consumer protection law than anything to do with a legal status of adulthood.
Gambling, drinking, and credit cards are by our current laws considered privileges rather than rights, and the state retains the ability to regulate them. Again, this has nothing to do with legal adulthood. Especially in the case of alcohol and gambling, jurisdictions are often completely arbitrary in how they regulate these privileges. In some places both practices are completely banned, in others purchase or practice may only be performed at certain times, in certain locales, in certain quantities, or may be regulated based on type.
In Alabama we have dry counties, wet cities within the dry counties, wet counties, dry cities within the wet counties, we can only purchase liquor at certain stores, beer until recently could only have 6% or less of alcohol (though wine and liquor were fine) and can still not be sold in containers larger than 16 oz., and there is a heated debate as to whether bingo is "gambling" or not. Age limits are simply another way of regulating the "privileges". The federal age limit is in fact not even a directly enforceable law. It's simply tied to highway funding. Louisiana ignored until the late 90's when they finally couldn't afford to do without the funding any more. When I went to college in New Orleans from 92-96 we drank, legally, from Freshman year.
I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
Im in Nantong right now, and i had to use my own squid proxy at home to access this storry, the rest of /. is available, but someone noticed this story, and added a rule to the greate firewall of china.
At least if bad things happens in the US, I as an Norwegian can access the information about the issue without circumventing censorship.
Legal adulthood is meaningless. Most of the 20-something chavs aren't mentally or emotionally adults anyway...
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Rln2AZN ? WTF, that make no sense!
The equally nobbed up laws the parent GP was referring to was a recent change that allowed parents to add there children to their insurance plans up to the age of 28. So I can add my daughter in Grad school to my family insurance plan. That is very different from having any legal authority over her at the age of 28, so I am not sure how the GP thinks that is applicable in anyway.
Well as you mention the courts can still detain you indefinately under the guise of being an involuntary mental health patient. While internet addiction isn't seen as a reason (yet), things like suicidal thoughts are generally enough for your age of majority to mean jack shit. The State knows better than you, an adult, and can dictate your life if it so chooses, and in that regard we in the west are little better than China.
Yes, the courts can declare you mentally incompetent. Typically you have to have broken a law for the state to involuntarily commit you to mental hospital, so I think that's a bit of a red herring. Typically when someone is declared mentally incompetent, the courts simply establish a guardian relationship where someone (usually a close family member) takes on the role of a parent to the incompetent person in an either temporary or permanent capacity. What other solution do you offer to this problem? Some people are, either through injury, illness, or birth defect made temporarily or permanently unable to make rational decisions. Do we just make all adults completely responsible for themselves regardless of mental health, brain injury, or severe mental deficiency?
I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.