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2 In 3 Misunderstand Gas Mileage; Here's Why

thecarchik sends in this piece, which was published last March but remains timely: "OK, so here's a little test: Which saves more gasoline, going from 10 to 20 mpg, or going from 33 to 50 mpg? If you're like most Americans, you picked the second one. But, in fact, that's exactly backwards. Over any given mileage, replacing a 10-mpg vehicle with one that gets 20 mpg saves five times the gasoline that replacing a 33-mpg vehicle with one that gets 50 does. Last summer, Duke University's Fuqua School of Business released a study that shows how much damage comes from using MPG instead of consumption to measure how green a car is. Management professors Richard Larick and Jack Soll's experiments proved that consumers thought fuel consumption was cut at an even rate as mileage increased."

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  1. The question is still absurd... by alexandre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I get that the 1st one is a 100% increase while the other is only 50% but you still get a better deal and less pollution by buying the 50 mpg car (if the price is the same).

    So which saves more gasoline? the 2nd one ...

    1. Re:The question is still absurd... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It really depends on the comparison you are making. If you currently have a 10MPG vehicle, and you have a choice between 20MPG and 50MPG, clearly the 50MPG car is the winner. On the other hand, if you have two families, one driving a 33MPG compact, the other driving an old 10MPG station wagon, and you can choose to encourage the first to buy a 50MPG hybrid or encourage the second to buy a 20MPG SUV, which policy should you pursue?

      The point TFA is trying to make is that there are a lot of people out there who need a large vehicle, perhaps because they have a large family, or because they need to transport some sort of equipment around for their work, or whatever. Such vehicles are not going to get 50MPG (at least not with the current state of car manufacturing), but 20MPG is not unreasonable.

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    2. Re:The question is still absurd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I get that the 1st one is a 100% increase while the other is only 50% but you still get a better deal and less pollution by buying the 50 mpg car (if the price is the same).

      So which saves more gasoline? the 2nd one ...

      I think the point they are making is that a 100 mile trip takes:

      10 gallons for a 10 mpg car
      5 gallons for a 20 mpg car (saves 5 gallons over the 10 mpg car)
      3 gallons for a 33 mpg car
      2 gallons for a 50 mpg car. (saves 1 gallon over the 33 mpg car)

          So, creating incentives to get rid of the lowest mpg car saves the most fuel (five times as much).....as opposed to creating incentives to squeeze more mpg out of already efficient cars.

          That is their point. However, in context, if you create incentives to build 20 mpg cars...you actually create a DISINCENTIVE for people to adopt ultra high 33 or 50) mpg cars....effectively reducing the overall fuel savings.

          Changing units will not help Americans understand math...especially when those units are based on 100% gasoline, and not this Ethanol filled crap they sell us at the pump, which DESTROYS gas mileage.

          That, to me, is the biggest "misunderstanding" in the USA today: The addition of Ethanol significantly destroys fuel mileage, destroys engines and components (requiring new parts constructed of Petroleum), AND it makes the gasoline MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT WOULD BE WITHOUT THE ETHANOL ADDED (once you factor in all the tax money that is given to Ethanol producers...coming right out of our pockets). In short, ETHANOL DOES NOTHING TO REDUCE OUR PETROLEUM CONSUMPTION OR COSTS....it is simply a giveaway to the powerful corn lobby.....

          Also? The use of Ethanol in gasoline drives up the local and worldwide prices for meat (fed with corn), corn, sugar, milk, and a host of other agricultural products that we eat every day.

          If we want to help reduce our Petroleum consumption, step one is to BAN THE USE OF ETHANOL in GASOLINE.

    3. Re:The question is still absurd... by dakameleon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't exactly see your local plumber driving his supplies in an Escalade, though. GP's point is about SUVs etc owned by people who don't use that extra "utility", not actual utility vehicles used for actual utility.

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    4. Re:The question is still absurd... by electrosoccertux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      90-10 gasoline-ethanol mix produces about 93% of the energy of pure gasoline

      In other words, the last 10% only gives you 3% more power?

  2. Breaking! mlpm by drDugan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Breaking: In an astounding fit of partial international cooperation and scientific rationality, the US adopts a mostly metric measure of resource use: the milliliter per mile, or the mlpm

    For example:
    10MPG = 378 mlpm
    20MPG = 189 mlpm
    33MPG = 115 mlpm
    50MPG = 76 mlpm
    90MPG = 42 mlpm

    The unit is linear, easy to understand, with numbers everyone can grasp (40-400 ish), and most important, it slowly creeps the US mind toward the metric system, one small step at a time! What a breakthrough! When the cars fly, we can try for using km, not miles.

    Also, mlpm helps put the idea that gasoline is a great resource, to be used sparingly, by the milliliter, as opposed to "by the gallon" like 7eleven slurpies.

    Sadly, in all seriousness, from TFA "Consumption instead of mileage? Nah. Dumb idea. Never work. [sigh]" Probably have to agree with this. Not because it's a dumb idea, but because Americans with the social and business systems in place have shown repeatedly that they will hold onto current ideas so strongly even in the face of overwhelming and obvious evidence showing them to be wrong. Only the real American idol will effect real change in the US system, the dollar.

  3. GP100M by ceeam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always thought that measuring it Euro-way - in, for example, gallons per 100 miles - would me more practical and clear.

  4. MPG and GPM are both useful by JesseL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Though it may not be obvious why to someone in a metropolitan area or Europe.

    MPG is the more useful number when you need to figure out what the range of a vehicle is (and perhaps if you'll be able to reach the next station). In the western US it's not unheard of to find yourself 100 miles from any gas station.

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  5. Re:Solution? by selven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, changing the units will most definitely help. The units we should change to are the ones we already use here above the border: liters per 100 km. Going from 20 L/100k to 15 L/100k saves just as much as going from 10 L/100k to 5 L/100k. In most people's lives, the distance you need to travel is constant, not the amount of money you have to spend on fuel, so fuel per distance is much more logical anyway.

  6. Err..actually its the second one by 101010_or_0x2A · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you go from 10 to 20 mpg, youre still less than the 33 mpg lower limit in the second case, so the second option "saves more gas". If the question is "which is a bigger improvement in fuel economy", then the answer is the first one.

  7. Re:Solution? by CecilPL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Accord gets about 10L/100km, or 0.01m^3/100000m or 1e-7 m^2. This is equivalent to one tenth of a square millimetre.

    Which means a strip of gasoline down the centre of the lane, with a cross-sectional area of one tenth of a square millimetre, would be enough to power my car as it drives.

  8. Re:3 people in 2 don't know math. by mbeware · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But when I bought my last car, I looked squarely at the L/100km measurement. I did the math. And I realized that for what I'd save in the ticket price between buying a 2007 Chev. Aveo (which I did end up buying) over buying something like a Smart car or a hybrid, I could pay for the total gas I'd use over the entire lifetime of the car. The difference between 6L/100km and 3.8L/100km just isn't *that* significant, and certainly isn't significant enough to justify spending another $15,000 on a car that probably won't see 100,000km in its entire 5 year lifetime before I trade it in for a new one. The price of gas would have to be 7x what it currently is for that to have become an economical proposition.

    The choice for an Hybrid or a fuel efficient car should not only take in to account the cost of the fuel, but also the cost to the environment. If you add the cost of a "carbon fee" for the extra fuel you burn, for the energy required to bring that fuel to you, the damage to the environment to extract that fuel, you get quite a good deal...