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Recent Sales Hint That Tape For Storage Is Far From Dead

hightechchick writes "Staples' business-to-business sales of backup tape for storage are experiencing a bit of a revival. What's next, a return to dumb terminals and mainframes (a la cloud computing)?"

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  1. Not news. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What else is there? It's not like you can back up to a SAN, and then stick the SAN in a courier bag and send it to remote storage. Optical? Too small. The magical "cloud" doesn't stack up well for security compared to a physical safe. Flash is promising, but still not there in terms of reliablity.

    When they come up with a compact, reliable, portable storage medium I'll be the first one to toss tapes out the window. The idea of running backups to some credit-card sized SD cards is appealing.

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    1. Re:Not news. by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could not be more correct. It also needs to be as fast as LTO-5 or LTO-6 when that ships. That means 140MB/s or 270MB/s, and at least close to it for long periods of time. Those cheap SATA discs the kids keep suggesting don't come anywhere near that.

    2. Re:Not news. by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I (and many others) don't trust hard drives _at_all_ - let alone when you move them. This is learned behavior...

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    3. Re:Not news. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep yep. Too many moving parts. You can drop a tape, and 999 times out of 1000 it'll be fine. Hard drives? Hell, it could die of vibration damage in transit!

      Tapes are small, disposable, cheap, reliable. Hard drives are maybe 2 of those.

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    4. Re:Not news. by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're an idiot, Starscream.

      Tape is not legacy - it's the industry standard.
      Believe it or not, being old is not the same as being obsolete.
      In fact, in this industry, being old is a testament to how reliable something is.

      Compression? Deduplication? Seeding remote sites? What fantasy world do you live in?

      Tape is a storage medium.
      You can compress anything and store it on the tape.

      Deduplication is not a backup mechanism.

      Backups need to be made before going live and routinley afterward. Full backups.

      Tape is easy to restore from. You need full/incremental backups with tape exactly as you need them with a remote location. If it's attached to a machine it's a copy, NOT a backup. A backup must be remote, unpowered, and protected from Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Heart (thieves) etc.

      It's not difficult to know if data is safe. Just try to restore it. If you're not testing your restore process, you're an idiot, regardless of what method you're using. Tape is the most reliable storage format we have today.

      You can reuse tapes all the time. Such inefficiencies only matter if you're backing up data that's a fraction of a single tape. If this is the case, just buy more tapes. They're very cheap. If this is not the case, then you'll never run into the problem because each tape you write to will be part of a set of tapes corresponding to an individual backup job, and all but one of that set will be completely utilized.

      It's not a needless nightmare. It's a necessary nightmare. And it's not a nightmare. There's this thing called a label maker. Alternatively, labels and a Sharpie. Alternatively still, tape, paper, and a pen.

      No sir, it is you that deserves the beating.

    5. Re:Not news. by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah but accessing your drive contents only through iTunes would be pretty clunky.

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  2. What's Next? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll tell you whats next...

    A device that lets you type up a word document and it prints it out real time. Essentially it prints your keystrokes as soon as you press them. I also foresee it having an extremely long battery life.

  3. Mainframe and tape by tooyoung · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm guessing this story was posted by someone with absolutely no experience with enterprise-level businesses.

  4. Real link by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is the real link that is missing from the summary.

    I always wonder about tape backup.....it seems everyone I know who uses it has had it fail. Hard drives fail too, it's true, but the anecdotal evidence I have says if you are using tape backup, you better have multiple backups.

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    1. Re:Real link by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You check the tape at the end of writing it. Everyone does this. You also test your backups, if you are not testing them you do not have backups.

  5. A revival? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did it ever go away? As far as I knew it was always how you did long term backup. We just bought a new tape unit here since we needed more backup storage, and the development of new LTO formats continues apace. Disks are what you use for online storage, and for online backups, you have redundant disks. That is for sure our first line of defense. We have a RAID-6 system with hot spares. Ok, but what about if something bigger happens? I'm not just talking about facilities destruction, what happens if something goes apeshit in the storage system and screws up all the data (or maybe a malicious admin does)? If our backup is just a realtime hookup to another online system, we are screwed.

    Tapes though, the protect for a lot of things. We take regular backups, in rotation, so that even if the online system is messed up, there are backups to go to. Those backups can also easily be rotated to secure storage facilities. These are places that aren't easy to have an online system, even if you wanted. You are talking like a vault or something to keep it safe even in extreme situations.

    They are also great if we want to keep data for a long time. Tapes have good shelf life. Better than a HDD. This is largely because they are simpler. They are just, well, tapes. Retension them once a year, they can last decades.

    So I wasn't aware tapes had gone anywhere. We sure don't use them on individual machines, or use them as fast backups, but they are wonderful as an emergency backup. The protect against a number of issues that an online disk system can't. They can also easily give you the benefit of offsite backups for a much lesser cost. Costs a lot more to get a second high end storage system and house it in another building with fibre than to just walk some tapes over to a vault.

  6. Let's not forget Escrow by frooddude · · Score: 5, Informative

    The business I work for goes through tapes like they're used to make coffee. Primary use: legal escrow of source code.