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MA High School Forces All Students To Buy MacBooks

An anonymous reader sends in this excerpt from the Salem News: "A new program at Beverly High will equip every student with a new laptop computer to prepare kids for a high-tech future. But there's a catch. The money for the $900 Apple MacBooks will come out of parents' pockets. 'You're kidding me,' parent Jenn Parisella said when she found out she'd have to buy her sophomore daughter, Sky, a new computer. 'She has a laptop. Why would I buy her another laptop?' Sky has a Dell. Come September 2011, every student will need an Apple. They'll bring it to class and use it for homework. Superintendent James Hayes sees the technology as an essential move to prepare kids for the future. The School Committee approved the move last year, and Hayes said he's getting the news out now so families can prepare. 'We have one platform,' Hayes said. 'And that's going to be the Mac.'"

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  1. Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by raddan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Students who don't participate will be able to borrow a school-provided laptop during the day, but they won't be able to take it home, Hayes said.

    Which essentially means that the program is voluntary. The school is hoping to be able to save money by not having to provide computer labs.

    1. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by easterberry · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes. Completely voluntary. Until the first homework assignment comes around and the kids who don't participate have to stay late and work through lunch.

    2. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by morphotomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      High schools have a strange sense of "voluntary."

    3. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by masmullin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry teacher. I'm not rich enough to do my homework.

    4. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 5, Informative

      They did this in Fullerton, CA. There is a story and a video clip here: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-school-laptop-program/ If you didn't pay $1,500 for an Apple laptop, your kid would get shipped off to another school on the other side of town. The ACLU got involved, but settled for a weak compromise - if you submit your personal financial information to the school district, they may decide that you can get public assistance. Otherwise, you are forced to pay for the laptop.

  2. What are they going to do? by dward90 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Suppose I were the parent of an underprivileged child. Suppose I live paycheck-to-paycheck, and don't have room in my budget for this. What the hell is the school going to do when I refuse to adhere to this absurdity? Fail my child? This wreaks of something illegal.

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    1. Re:What are they going to do? by dward90 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that they make it slightly less of a challenge doesn't make it acceptable. They directly sponsor the most expensive vendor in the market and encourage parents to spend unreasonable amounts of money on unnecessary equipment. What are they going to do when high school students lose, destroy, and otherwise render unusable $900 equipment that they do not own? They're going to charge parents. Their only goal is to externalize costs, not help students.

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    2. Re:What are they going to do? by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, having had some experience with the Maine Laptop Initiative, their MacBooks did experience downtime due to system problems, and of course inevitable hardware failures.

      School administrators that I worked with (I did Novell support for a few schools, and integrating their MacBooks into NetWare was nontrivial, but went pretty well) complained the most about having to re-image drives. They spent quite a bit of time optimizing that process, but there are only a few ways to re-image a MacBook, and none are fast enough. I could not get ZenWorks to do it, despite some heroic work by Novell engineers as a pet project. Oh well...

      We were required to re-image the machines to a base system image after many repairs, most specifically hard drives and system boards. Data backup and restoration was the responsibility of the student and local administrators. It's their policy, we just had to follow the rules.

      Our little business did well providing non-warranty repairs until both Apple and Apple dealers realized they were being cut out of the loop in a big way. I left before Apple got hard and cut off parts access. That was the end. But we saved some schools a little money along the way.

      The MLTI has many lessons for other systems. Worth looking into before your school board leaps off the cliff.

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  3. Sounds more like parents will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A new program at Beverly High will equip every student with a new laptop computer

    Odd, from reading the summary, it sounds more like the parents will do that, while the 'program' will just require it.

  4. My two cents by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it really necessarily to require every student to have a laptop in order to learn? Are they saying it's nearly impossible to correctly teach students without this technology?

    And sure, while technology makes things easier to do, it almost feels like they're blaming the lack of technology for not being able to properly teach the students. But, that's my opinion.

    1. Re:My two cents by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's crap. Today's kids can't read or write worth a damn. They'd be better off just eliminating computers from classrooms altogether, and concentrating on teaching the basics. I never needed a computer, or anything besides a calculator, for high school or any of the basic college classes (obviously, computer programming classes were a different matter).

    2. Re:My two cents by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hitler didn't have a laptop in school either, and look how he turned out. Clearly these laptops are necessary.

    3. Re:My two cents by samkass · · Score: 5, Funny

      Albert Einstein didn't have a laptop in school.
      Ben Franklin didn't have a laptop in school.
      Stephen Hawking didn't have a laptop in school.
      Thomas Edison didn't have a laptop in school.
      Nikola Tesla didn't have a laptop in school.
      Even Bill Gates didn't have a laptop in school.

      ...and near as I can tell, not one of them could code worth a crap! :)

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  5. Wrong To The Root by b4upoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Public schools should never require parents to pay for expensive items or programs. This is dead wrong. Many parents no longer have a job nor savings. How will their children get by in school? Further why in the sam hell would anyone push Macs on the kids? There are alternatives such as Linux that could save these families a fortune on PCs.

  6. Linux Netbooks by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably a far better idea to get them all netbooks. They're cheaper and they will draw less irk from parents. Besides, what can a Mac do that Linux can't when it comes to schoolwork? And I'm not going to even mention using Windows and how much a joy that could be.

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  7. Before anyone gets in a huff... by Jorkapp · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTFA:

    "Parents can pay for the computers upfront or lease them from the district, with the option to buy after three years. The payments should work out to about $20 to $25 per month, Hayes said. The cost also includes free tech support.

    "We realize for some families that will be a stretch," he said. In those cases, the district will provide financial assistance.

    Students who don't participate will be able to borrow a school-provided laptop during the day, but they won't be able to take it home, Hayes said."

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    IMO, $20-25/mo is a fair plan. That should be well within the finances of most families, and as they noted, they will provide financial assistance.

    That said, using a unified platform is not a bad idea, but why make students buy heavily marked up hardware? Why not Netbooks with Linux?

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    1. Re:Before anyone gets in a huff... by mjperson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I assume you've never sent a kid to school. They constantly come home with lists of required purchases. Tossing a laptop onto the list is a larger scale, but no different in spirit than requiring: 5 spiral bound notebooks, 2 sewn binding composition books, a hand-held pencil sharpener, 10 number 2 pencils, etc...

  8. Laptops in High School? Meh by bieber · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first three years I was in high school, the school had this ridiculous program going on where they issued every student an iBook. Teachers tried to make us use them, but seriously, how useful is a laptop in high school math? Admittedly, it was nice for language and social studies classes to have something to type/browse Wikipedia on, but the hassle of carrying them around, dealing with the constant breakage, and etc. far outweighed the benefits to the students. And when you look at the $2 mil that the school district spent on the program, the whole thing just seemed like a really bad joke.

  9. God I love these "You must run xxx OS" edicts by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My daughters school added the requirement that she have a laptop for school. The school here said that it must run Windows and have Microsoft Office on it.

    I gave her a new Toshiba with Fedora Core and open office. She is happy with it, then I get a note from the school that It must be Windows because they had software to install that required windows. I told then that if they would let me know what the software does I would be more than happy to find a similar package for Linux or to set it up in a restricted virtual environment.

    Never hear another thing from them. IMHO if the school wants to require an OS or Specific software packages then they need to pony up the money for the laptop and set it up the way they want it.

  10. Please.. by Galestar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Direct your hate mail this way: jim.hayes@beverlyschools.org

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  11. Re:WTF by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Damn right. I'm glad that my school was forward-thinking enough to teach me Windows 3.11 and Microsoft Works and Word 2. All that other time that they spent teaching me the concepts underlying the systems was completely wasted, because when I got out into the real world I found that everyone used Window 3.11 and Word 2.

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  12. Re:iNelson by FurryOne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too bad you never learned that it was Mark Twain who said it.

  13. Re:iNelson by EventHorizon_pc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Has anyone noticed that putting an exclamation after apple's iStuff makes it look like it's in spanish? iCarumba!