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MA High School Forces All Students To Buy MacBooks

An anonymous reader sends in this excerpt from the Salem News: "A new program at Beverly High will equip every student with a new laptop computer to prepare kids for a high-tech future. But there's a catch. The money for the $900 Apple MacBooks will come out of parents' pockets. 'You're kidding me,' parent Jenn Parisella said when she found out she'd have to buy her sophomore daughter, Sky, a new computer. 'She has a laptop. Why would I buy her another laptop?' Sky has a Dell. Come September 2011, every student will need an Apple. They'll bring it to class and use it for homework. Superintendent James Hayes sees the technology as an essential move to prepare kids for the future. The School Committee approved the move last year, and Hayes said he's getting the news out now so families can prepare. 'We have one platform,' Hayes said. 'And that's going to be the Mac.'"

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

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  2. Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by raddan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Students who don't participate will be able to borrow a school-provided laptop during the day, but they won't be able to take it home, Hayes said.

    Which essentially means that the program is voluntary. The school is hoping to be able to save money by not having to provide computer labs.

    1. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by easterberry · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes. Completely voluntary. Until the first homework assignment comes around and the kids who don't participate have to stay late and work through lunch.

    2. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by morphotomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      High schools have a strange sense of "voluntary."

    3. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by masmullin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry teacher. I'm not rich enough to do my homework.

    4. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then they'll get a project, or a homework assignment, or just plain harassed and abused in one way or another until they cough up the $$$.

      This is a SCHOOL we're talking about.

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    5. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by wynler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Real world:  Employer pays you for your work, and provides you with any work materials.
      School World: You pay the school in order to do work, and provide your own materials. 

    6. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by SailorSpork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry teacher. I'm not rich enough to do my homework

      See? They ARE teaching kids real-life skills... just maybe not the ones they intended.

    7. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes but they're using Macs. Why not just use netbooks w/Windows 7 Starter? Cheaper for taxpayers and parents alike, and Windows 7 at least prepares them for the corporate world.

    8. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>They just get the option of paying for the school's crazy Macbook program either directly or via taxes.

      Yes. They also pay taxes when they don't send their kids to school at all (i.e. homeschool). Or for Amtrak even if you've never set foot on a train. That's the unfairness of a monopoly in a nutshell. It's the government equivalent of having to send $1000 to Microsoft every year, even if you never use MS operating systems.

      In European countries the money follows the kid, so if they choose to go to Apple Elementary or Montessori Ed, or wherever, then the dollars go there. So if the parent decides this MacBook idea is stupid, he can just quit that school and go somewhere else. There's no negative consequences of that decision.

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    9. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 5, Informative

      They did this in Fullerton, CA. There is a story and a video clip here: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-school-laptop-program/ If you didn't pay $1,500 for an Apple laptop, your kid would get shipped off to another school on the other side of town. The ACLU got involved, but settled for a weak compromise - if you submit your personal financial information to the school district, they may decide that you can get public assistance. Otherwise, you are forced to pay for the laptop.

    10. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wouldn't want my child using one of the school laptops either. What if it's gets damaged while in the student possession. Will the parent be responsible for repairs? If I can't afford to buy my child one I won't be able to pay for repairs either.

      And why mac books? I don't like windows anymore than the rest of the /. crowd but if you want them to be prepared for the high tech future why not get Dells with Windows 7 at half the cost.

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    11. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by prockcore · · Score: 4, Funny

      Claris ate my homework. Moof.

    12. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by Kitkoan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And why mac books? I don't like windows anymore than the rest of the /. crowd but if you want them to be prepared for the high tech future why not get Dells with Windows 7 at half the cost.

      I completely agree with you here. These are students being taught for their future and will need the skills required for their future jobs. Pushing the Mac platform is a horrible idea and a form of playing russian roulette with their computer skills and future job possibilities.

      Regardless of anyones personal opinion of computer OS's, Windows still rules in both the personal and business OS level. And I don't care what anyone else has to say on the level of 'but, but, Macs are slowly gaining.' Thats great for Mac. But here's a good dose of reality. OSX was released in March of 2001. Its now June of 2010, just over 9 years later. Mac has been able to improve its market share from 1-2% to 6-9%. That means less then one in 10 computers is a Mac even after 9 years and one hell of an aggressive marketing campaign (we've all seen those 'Pc vs Mac' commercials). This idea is set to be set in motion for 2011, and considering it takes on average a person to graduate from HS a total of 4 years your looking at someone graduating with Mac-only education in 2015 being 5 years from now. I don't see Mac being over 50% market share by then to even consider itself the OS leader let alone getting over 33% if the market can even fragment enough to split evenly between Windows/Mac/Linux (without going into others like BSD, etc...). That means you will have students that can work with a small segment of the computers which will seriously hurt their chances. Any employer that has computers needed in the job will just look at the young adult and see that not only will they need training on the basics of the job, but how to use the basics of their workplace OS that is the business leader. And training isn't free, it's expensive and they will be more likely over looked for someone with Windows experience which means less training and money saved.

      The school is also mentioning security as an issue, but thats getting more and more of a questionable problem. Fact of the matter is, Windows 7 is pretty secure (but not the most secure). And computer security is no longer as simple as how fast a virus/worm can spread. This keeps being shown on the Pwn2Own contests, as security is now based on what else is running on the computer. The biggest security risk seems to be running Flash on the system. If I remember right, Flash is not installed by default on Windows 7 and since many businesses won't let you install programs from the internet by default, that makes a big security hole gone. Not so on OSX where Flash is installed as factory default, a huge security hole. Another thing to consider as mentioned by Pwn2Own winner Charlie Miller: Windows 7 or Snow Leopard, which of these two commercial OS will be harder to hack and why? Windows 7 is slightly more difficult because it has full ASLR (address space layout randomization) and a smaller attack surface (for example, no Java or Flash by default). So in the end, security to no longer one sided, each OS is now more secure in same ways then its competitions and less secure in other ways.

      Also to consider is things like hardware compatibility. Most hardware is written to support Windows, with some to little to no support for Mac. Sure, Macs play great with other Mac hardware but if Apple doesn't make it things get iffy (again, depends on what it is your talking about exactly). These students go home and will want to use their laptops with their devices at home. Have a blackberry phone? Good luck doing anything but the basics of syncing (and no, showing me some complex set of instructions doesn't count. We are talking students of different interests and backgrounds, not the slashdot crowd). Printers and scanners? Again, depends on which ones and how old they are

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    13. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by hexed_2050 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Great post. My feelings exactly. I'm not a fan boy of either. I grew up coding basic at 5 years old on an Apple II.. so I know full well about Apple's beginnings. Since the early 90s I've used mainly PCs. And now? Well I have a mac mini, and iPad, iPhone, and I7 PC. I use them all because I need to know everything that is tech as I'm a computer consultant. However, everything that is useful in business except for graphic design and web design is run on a PC using Windows XP or Windows 7.

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    14. Re:Don't let reality get in the way of your anger by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There were techies bitching about buttons being moved in Ubuntu, and you expect normal people to go from OS X after three years of likely exclusive use to Windows? People react poorly to change, and Mac users least of all due to the sticky nature of Apple's product line. You're right, they ARE going to have some big problems later when they need to use a computer at work, and it requires something more than drag-n-drop to work.

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  3. What are they going to do? by dward90 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Suppose I were the parent of an underprivileged child. Suppose I live paycheck-to-paycheck, and don't have room in my budget for this. What the hell is the school going to do when I refuse to adhere to this absurdity? Fail my child? This wreaks of something illegal.

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    1. Re:What are they going to do? by SkankinMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would assume that the reason you are so underprivileged is because you failed to learn how to read in school. The article clearly states that the children will be provided with laptops during the school day if they can't buy one. They just can't bring it home since it is school property.

    2. Re:What are they going to do? by dward90 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "They'll bring it to class and use it for homework."

      Hard to do homework if you can't do it at home.

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    3. Re:What are they going to do? by SkankinMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know it's really hard to click a link, so I'll provide the relevant part for you:
      Parents can pay for the computers upfront or lease them from the district, with the option to buy after three years. The payments should work out to about $20 to $25 per month, Hayes said. The cost also includes free tech support. "We realize for some families that will be a stretch," he said. In those cases, the district will provide financial assistance. Students who don't participate will be able to borrow a school-provided laptop during the day, but they won't be able to take it home, Hayes said.

    4. Re:What are they going to do? by dward90 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that they make it slightly less of a challenge doesn't make it acceptable. They directly sponsor the most expensive vendor in the market and encourage parents to spend unreasonable amounts of money on unnecessary equipment. What are they going to do when high school students lose, destroy, and otherwise render unusable $900 equipment that they do not own? They're going to charge parents. Their only goal is to externalize costs, not help students.

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    5. Re:What are they going to do? by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, having had some experience with the Maine Laptop Initiative, their MacBooks did experience downtime due to system problems, and of course inevitable hardware failures.

      School administrators that I worked with (I did Novell support for a few schools, and integrating their MacBooks into NetWare was nontrivial, but went pretty well) complained the most about having to re-image drives. They spent quite a bit of time optimizing that process, but there are only a few ways to re-image a MacBook, and none are fast enough. I could not get ZenWorks to do it, despite some heroic work by Novell engineers as a pet project. Oh well...

      We were required to re-image the machines to a base system image after many repairs, most specifically hard drives and system boards. Data backup and restoration was the responsibility of the student and local administrators. It's their policy, we just had to follow the rules.

      Our little business did well providing non-warranty repairs until both Apple and Apple dealers realized they were being cut out of the loop in a big way. I left before Apple got hard and cut off parts access. That was the end. But we saved some schools a little money along the way.

      The MLTI has many lessons for other systems. Worth looking into before your school board leaps off the cliff.

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    6. Re:What are they going to do? by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or how about "No, I'm not going to buy my kid a POS Mac."? I'm sure at least one Windows or Linux adminstrator's child goes to high school there.

      Don't you think a Windows administrator would be very happy to know that they can put their feet up when they come home from work and don't have to administer their kid's computers as well?

    7. Re:What are they going to do? by RocketRabbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "School administrators that I worked with (I did Novell support for a few schools, and integrating their MacBooks into NetWare was nontrivial, but went pretty well) complained the most about having to re-image drives. They spent quite a bit of time optimizing that process, but there are only a few ways to re-image a MacBook, and none are fast enough. I could not get ZenWorks to do it, despite some heroic work by Novell engineers as a pet project. Oh well..."

      Jeez, why not use Apple's own Disk Utility software, which works great for re-imaging single machines, or their Server tools which allow you do the same thing for multiple ones.

      Sounds like you were trying to use every method but the one that's obvious.

      "Our little business did well providing non-warranty repairs until both Apple and Apple dealers realized they were being cut out of the loop in a big way. I left before Apple got hard and cut off parts access. That was the end."

      You can't order your parts from a distributor like every normal person?

    8. Re:What are they going to do? by prockcore · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're overstating OSX's abilities... a kid can trash a mac just as easily as a PC. One of our designer's mac's fell to his stupidity just last week. He installed something like 5000 fonts... brought the system to its knees.

  4. Sounds more like parents will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A new program at Beverly High will equip every student with a new laptop computer

    Odd, from reading the summary, it sounds more like the parents will do that, while the 'program' will just require it.

  5. My two cents by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it really necessarily to require every student to have a laptop in order to learn? Are they saying it's nearly impossible to correctly teach students without this technology?

    And sure, while technology makes things easier to do, it almost feels like they're blaming the lack of technology for not being able to properly teach the students. But, that's my opinion.

    1. Re:My two cents by 0racle · · Score: 4, Informative

      I remember when you couldn't use a calculator until you understood what you were doing on paper. Even then, show your work questions sort of kept it so that you needed to know what you were doing.

      I suppose with QuickTime X ability to record the screen they can show their work, if you can call mindlessly punching keys work.

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    2. Re:My two cents by techstar25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really necessarily to require every student to have a laptop in order to learn?

      Albert Einstein didn't have a laptop in school.
      Ben Franklin didn't have a laptop in school.
      Stephen Hawking didn't have a laptop in school.
      Thomas Edison didn't have a laptop in school.
      Nikola Tesla didn't have a laptop in school.
      Even Bill Gates didn't have a laptop in school.
      They turned out okay.

    3. Re:My two cents by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's crap. Today's kids can't read or write worth a damn. They'd be better off just eliminating computers from classrooms altogether, and concentrating on teaching the basics. I never needed a computer, or anything besides a calculator, for high school or any of the basic college classes (obviously, computer programming classes were a different matter).

    4. Re:My two cents by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hitler didn't have a laptop in school either, and look how he turned out. Clearly these laptops are necessary.

    5. Re:My two cents by samkass · · Score: 5, Funny

      Albert Einstein didn't have a laptop in school.
      Ben Franklin didn't have a laptop in school.
      Stephen Hawking didn't have a laptop in school.
      Thomas Edison didn't have a laptop in school.
      Nikola Tesla didn't have a laptop in school.
      Even Bill Gates didn't have a laptop in school.

      ...and near as I can tell, not one of them could code worth a crap! :)

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    6. Re:My two cents by onionman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is it really necessarily to require every student to have a laptop in order to learn? Are they saying it's nearly impossible to correctly teach students without this technology?

      And sure, while technology makes things easier to do, it almost feels like they're blaming the lack of technology for not being able to properly teach the students. But, that's my opinion.

      It's amusing isn't it! Yet another example of technology being used to hide inadequate education. The real solution to most teaching problems is to hire good teachers, pay them enough to make them want to keep the job, and keep the class sizes small enough so that the teachers can actually interact with all of the students.

      I'm a math prof, and I've found that the best way to present complicated material is a chalk board. Sometimes I get all crazy and use advanced multi-media like "colored chalk".

      Really, though. Why do they need Macbooks? If they are teaching them computer science, then part of the learning is figuring out how to handle your own computer (whatever OS it might be). If they want them to typeset their term papers then they should just say that, not require a specific proprietary product. Part of being a savy computer user is developing enough skill with manuals and search engines to figure out how to solve $common_problem on $your_platform.

    7. Re:My two cents by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Albert Einstein didn't have a laptop in school.
      Ben Franklin didn't have a laptop in school.
      Stephen Hawking didn't have a laptop in school.
      Thomas Edison didn't have a laptop in school.
      Nikola Tesla didn't have a laptop in school.
      Even Bill Gates didn't have a laptop in school.

      Oddly enough...

      Einstein dropped out of Luitpold Gymnasium (=high school)
      Franklin dropped out of Boston Latin high school
      Edison went to school for a grand total of three months
      Tesla dropped out of Graz University
      Gates dropped out of Harvard

      Hawking was the only one to stay the course...and yes, he did get a laptop.

    8. Re:My two cents by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Einstein finished secondary school in Aarau (Switzerland), and then graduated from the Polytechnic in Zurich, and even finished his doctoral studies. So he very much did stay the course. It's just like a student changing one high school for another.

      Einstein is definitely not one of those "succesful dropouts". Please stop spreading misinformation.

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  6. Wrong To The Root by b4upoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Public schools should never require parents to pay for expensive items or programs. This is dead wrong. Many parents no longer have a job nor savings. How will their children get by in school? Further why in the sam hell would anyone push Macs on the kids? There are alternatives such as Linux that could save these families a fortune on PCs.

  7. Linux Netbooks by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably a far better idea to get them all netbooks. They're cheaper and they will draw less irk from parents. Besides, what can a Mac do that Linux can't when it comes to schoolwork? And I'm not going to even mention using Windows and how much a joy that could be.

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  8. Before anyone gets in a huff... by Jorkapp · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTFA:

    "Parents can pay for the computers upfront or lease them from the district, with the option to buy after three years. The payments should work out to about $20 to $25 per month, Hayes said. The cost also includes free tech support.

    "We realize for some families that will be a stretch," he said. In those cases, the district will provide financial assistance.

    Students who don't participate will be able to borrow a school-provided laptop during the day, but they won't be able to take it home, Hayes said."

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    IMO, $20-25/mo is a fair plan. That should be well within the finances of most families, and as they noted, they will provide financial assistance.

    That said, using a unified platform is not a bad idea, but why make students buy heavily marked up hardware? Why not Netbooks with Linux?

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    1. Re:Before anyone gets in a huff... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Last I checked, every child in the United States is entitled to a free education up to the 12th grade. If one has to pay even $0.01 a month to get an education, then the education is not free.

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    2. Re:Before anyone gets in a huff... by mjperson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I assume you've never sent a kid to school. They constantly come home with lists of required purchases. Tossing a laptop onto the list is a larger scale, but no different in spirit than requiring: 5 spiral bound notebooks, 2 sewn binding composition books, a hand-held pencil sharpener, 10 number 2 pencils, etc...

    3. Re:Before anyone gets in a huff... by jayme0227 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this was a private school, I'd have no problem with it. Private schools can do what private schools want. This is a public school, and they are requiring students & their parents to pay out extra money for laptops. And it's not just any laptops, but they must be MacBooks.

      Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for teaching kids about technology. But requiring them all to have MacBooks, even if they already have their own non-Apple laptops, is absurd. What can they teach about technology at large, using a MacBook, that they cannot teach using Windows? Furthermore, it is likely that when these kids graduate high school and go to college, they will find Windows machines far more readily accessible than Macs. After college, most of these students will find that prospective employers won't even give them the choice to work on a Mac.

      I could possibly get on board with the school requiring laptops, but requiring them to buy (or lease or borrow) new machines, and not giving them the choice of which OS they can use, to me, crosses the line.

      PS - How long until the first pics of some kid popping Mike & Ike's surface on the net?

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  9. Laptops in High School? Meh by bieber · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first three years I was in high school, the school had this ridiculous program going on where they issued every student an iBook. Teachers tried to make us use them, but seriously, how useful is a laptop in high school math? Admittedly, it was nice for language and social studies classes to have something to type/browse Wikipedia on, but the hassle of carrying them around, dealing with the constant breakage, and etc. far outweighed the benefits to the students. And when you look at the $2 mil that the school district spent on the program, the whole thing just seemed like a really bad joke.

  10. God I love these "You must run xxx OS" edicts by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My daughters school added the requirement that she have a laptop for school. The school here said that it must run Windows and have Microsoft Office on it.

    I gave her a new Toshiba with Fedora Core and open office. She is happy with it, then I get a note from the school that It must be Windows because they had software to install that required windows. I told then that if they would let me know what the software does I would be more than happy to find a similar package for Linux or to set it up in a restricted virtual environment.

    Never hear another thing from them. IMHO if the school wants to require an OS or Specific software packages then they need to pony up the money for the laptop and set it up the way they want it.

  11. Absolutely SURREAL by repetty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a Mac user of 23 years, I've gotta say that this headline is abso-fvcking-lutely surreal.

    It seemed like Mac users pissed and moaned for decades about being forced to abandon their platform as schools moved toward cheap PC running Windows 3.1 et al.

    Is today backwards day?

  12. Please.. by Galestar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Direct your hate mail this way: jim.hayes@beverlyschools.org

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  13. Re:iNelson by nysus · · Score: 4, Informative

    What are you talking about? In 1991, I purchased an IBM PS/2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_System/2

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  14. Re:WTF by StayFrosty · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Schools should teach students how to think, learn and figure things out; not how to use one particular program or operating system. Then the platform used for teaching wouldn't have to be the same one used in the real world. Besides, My learning how to use Office 95 and Office 97 in High school was worthless when 10 years later Office 2007 came around and they changed the entire UI. Luckily, I spent my time in school learning how to learn for myself. The transition wasn't that terrible. Many other people where I work learned by memorizing where the menu options were and ended up being completely lost in Office 2007.

    EVERY employer requires M$ Office experience...

    This isn't always true either. I doubt the largest employer in the city where I work require any computer skills for the assembly line workers. Neither do the construction companies whose employees are expanding the building I am sitting in. If you are talking about white collar jobs, you might have a point but most of these require a degree of some sort. Anyone graduating with any sort of degree is going to have used Microsoft Office at least a little so what students use in High School is irrelevant to the real world.

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  15. Re:WTF by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It doesn't require a lot of experience to switch between Windows and Mac. I'd expect someone with experience with one platform and absolutely zero on the other to be up to speed in a day or two.

    I switched from Windows to Mac on my work laptop about eight months ago, so I have personal and recent experience.

    It is not something that takes a day or two. It takes a month or two to regain all the lost productivity. Most people where I work that have switched to Mac have a similar experience. Just getting used to the keyboard with the extra meta keys, and missing keys you're used to, takes a long time.

    Once you're over the learning curve it's a better experience, but it's not as easy as you think it is.

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  16. That's hardly fair by N0Man74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can you expect Americans to have aristocracies if you stand in the way of holding back or penalizing the poor!?

  17. Re:WTF by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Damn right. I'm glad that my school was forward-thinking enough to teach me Windows 3.11 and Microsoft Works and Word 2. All that other time that they spent teaching me the concepts underlying the systems was completely wasted, because when I got out into the real world I found that everyone used Window 3.11 and Word 2.

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  18. Asking the wrong questions by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just as bad as mandating all Microsoft software - I feel like I'm back in the 1990s.

    They should be using the web to get any content out to students, and then students could use whatever sort of computer (or device!) they want, including ipads, thinkpads, or smartbooks or their latest phone which they use instead of a computer. Then in five years time when the next hot new thing comes along or their mac software is broken by a new OS, or Apple drops Mac OS completely (the last WWDC was almost entirely taken up with iOS), they will not be left stuck on an abandoned platform dealing with bit rot in old applications and wondering why they mandated that everyone must use this. You know, like those companies that still use Windows 2000 because they are tied to binaries on that platform and they don't want the hassle of moving on.

    This is exactly what the web was made for. If they used platform-agnostic html to deliver their student content (no active-x, no binary plugins), they would have an always up to date resource which students could access from anywhere, and which did not mandate any particular technology to access it (every platform nowadays has a browser). Students could deal with their own tech support, and the school could issue free (far cheaper) web devices to those who needed them.

    The question nowadays is not mac or PC, it should be binary or markup, and the answer is pretty obvious for the needs of a high school.

  19. Re:iNelson by FurryOne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too bad you never learned that it was Mark Twain who said it.

  20. Re:iNelson by EventHorizon_pc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Has anyone noticed that putting an exclamation after apple's iStuff makes it look like it's in spanish? iCarumba!

  21. why not suspend the superintendent by alizard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and his cronies in IT without pay and start investigating whatever sweetheart deal the superintendent made with Apple or with an Apple VAR instead, including any kickbacks paid or to be paid to the superintendent. For instance, is the guy now driving a car far more expensive than superintendents usually drive? Is he moving to a wealthy, upscale neighborhood? Basically, the only justification I can see to require parents to buy their kids Macs is either dishonesty or incompetence... while the superintendent isn't required to know anything, he is required to be able to obtain honest, competent IT advice and it's obvious he didn't even try.

    I can see requiring a laptop for students in the 21st Century. It's a lot cheaper to deliver textbooks on that platform and it's easier for students to carry a dozen textbooks if they're all on a hard drive and weigh nothing over and above the weight of a laptop.

    If the IT people are incapable of delivering platform-agnostic documents and applications, they're either incompetent or should be under suspicion of participating in a conspiracy with the superintendent of defrauding the taxpayers.

  22. What's better is when the laptops replace teachers by Bungleman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, my wife taught at a high school that bought every student and teacher a Macbook Pro. Yes, Pro. At the cost of several million dollars to the school district, no less... oh, but that wasn't the REAL cost. The REAL cost was that the teachers could no longer buy books to teach with. They were supposed to use only the laptops. Oh, and at the end of the year, the school laid off 50 teachers.

    They closed down one school in the district entirely, electing instead to privatize it and lay off all of the teachers to "save some money." The private company that came in was supposed to "specialize in teaching underperforming students using technology." Good luck with that... Remind me again when technology became better than books and teacher interaction for students.

    Then again, I guess I can't expect much, given my state's history in education. (Hint: We're the dumbest, poorest state in the US.)

  23. My bet is incompetence by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having worked with school districts let me tell you there is some supreme incompetence that goes on there. Also there's the simply Mac fanboy cognitive dissonance at work. What probably happened:

    Superintendent gets a shiny new Macbook because it is cool looking and stylish. It works great for him/her because all they do is surf the web, read e-mail, simple stuff. A new, powerful machine without crap will do that blazingly fast and easy. Goes double because he has a nice new cable modem connection that is just super fast (or in reality more like 10mbit).

    At work, however, they have old PCs running even older software to handle student records, grades, etc. These have problems, as old computers are wont to do, in particular when running software designed for even older architectures. Also, as with most schools, they have a slow network connection. The whole school has a connection maybe as fast as the superintendent's home connection, so simple tasks like web browsing feel slow.

    Rather than looking at the situation logically, the superintendent believes everything is because of his shiny new Mac. Clearly that Mac is the reason everything is so good. Thus the solution is for everyone to have one! Things would be so much better. Nothing would ever break, because his never has. There'd be no problems, because he hasn't had any.

    That's my bet. Nobody bought him/her off, it was just a case of someone who knows fuck-all about enterprise computing. They figure since their sample size of one is perfect, that will hold true for all the rest.