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New York Times Bans Use of Word "Tweet"

An anonymous reader writes "New York Times standards editor Phil Corbett has had enough of his journalists' sloppy writing. Their offense? Using the 'inherently silly' word 'tweet' 18 times in the last month. In an internal memo obtained by theawl.com, he orders his writers to use alternatives, such as '"use Twitter" ... or "a Twitter update."' He admits that ' ... new technology terms sprout and spread faster than ever. And we don't want to seem paleolithic. But we favor established usage and ordinary words ...' After all, he points out, ' ... another service may elbow Twitter aside next year, and "tweet" may fade into oblivion.' Of course, it is also possible that social media sites will elbow paleolithic media into oblivion, and Mr. Corbett will no longer have to worry about word use." While this sounds like it could as well be an Onion story, the memo is being widely reported.

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  1. Thank God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone had to do it.

    1. Re:Thank God by Nick+Fel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Amen. I'm sick of the media fawning over Twitter. If I wanted to know what AnonymousPunter1983 thought, I'd go down the pub and ask my friends. Give me proper news and analysis, not regurgitated social network content.

    2. Re:Thank God by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now if only we could get them to ban reporting on twitter whatsoever, that would be real progress.

    3. Re:Thank God by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. I don't even use Twitter, but I do use LinkedIn, and some moron there just had to copy a Twitter post from one of her friends saying "taking the kids to [some event]". Who cares?

    4. Re:Thank God by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kiddie watchers and robbers care. At least THEY "thought of the children".

    5. Re:Thank God by Antisyzygy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am very happy this happened. Twitter is for narcissistic people to spout off meaningless snippets of their unimpressive lives. I thought people would have had enough of it from Facebook or Myspace, but apparently people need an even more frequent dose of bullshit.

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    6. Re:Thank God by Starayo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use twitter, not so much for tweeting as for following others. I find twitter is very useful - not for following friends and family, but for following certain companies, people etc who give small bites of useful/interesting information that lends itself well to the microblogging format.

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    7. Re:Thank God by linzeal · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is most useful for finding the latest updates on world events, everything else is really just vanity or advertisinng media.

    8. Re:Thank God by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right on! RT @Antisyzgy: I am very happy this happened. Twitter is for narcissistic people to spout off meaningless snippets of their unimpressive lives. I thought people would have had enough of it from Facebook or Myspace, but apparently people need an even more frequent dose of bullshit.

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    9. Re:Thank God by Alioth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just wish "blogosphere" would fall into disuse. It's a terrible word, and encapsulates everything wrong with buzzword-seeking-management speak and about breathlessly jumping on the most recent bandwagon.

    10. Re:Thank God by beh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at other languages, and you will see the kind of damage this does - take German for example:

      German has already taken on a lot of 'new' words from English, like 'computer' for example - though in this particular case, the German word 'Rechner' for it still survives. 'Server' though does not have a counterpart in our language. For a 'computer' I'm absolutely fine with that, as we didn't have this kind of machinery before its invention.
      But, in order to appeal more to younger Germans, a lot of cosmetics have also been re-labelled - 'eye shadowr' instead of 'lidschatten' - but in this case for absolutely the same product, so the 'new' words doesn't add anything at all, apart from maybe sound a bit more 'worldly' and 'exotic' as it isn't our language. This is fine for younger Germans, but I did hear my mother complaining the other day, that she can't find the things she's used to anymore - like Lidschatten. She sees all those English labels now, and simply doesn't assume it's the same thing any more, as they completely ditched the German word from it, and from the labels attached to it.

      And this way, older Germans are slowly being 'ignored' in terms of language.

      In some companies, managers now more often speak of '(future) challenges' (in the midst of a German sentence), the German words '(künftige) Herausforderungen'. And they simply feel like they're over and above everyone by being able to use such words - they simply don't get that the German words for this mean absolutely the same - but they might sound a little less 'cool' to the managers own ears. To one manager I tried to bring this across by telling him somehting in English, but replacing all the English words he would normally use in his German, with their 'old' German counterparts - he thought it sounded stupid (which it did) - but completely failed to see that his German interlaced with English words would sound exactly as stupid - the only difference being that I did it for the 'comedic' effect, and he does it because he feels it's the only way of being taken serious.

      Later I found, if you put a single word in English as opposed to German, sometimes people start attaching far more weight to that one word - why else would the person saying it have bothered to put an English word there - the English word almost gets slang status through this.

      So, yes, tweeting isn't really anything else than writing - just in another medium, just like you write by fax or mail, or speak on the phone (Or when did you last hear "Auntie Mary phoned 'Hi'?' or 'Grandpa mailed 'How are you?'?

      Tweeting should just go...

    11. Re:Thank God by beh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am thankful that the language is living and even evolving - but needless change is still needless. Introducing the word 'tweeting' does not really add much meaning to the language. A message posted as a tweet is not inherently worth more (or less), just by virtue of being transmitted via twitter.

      The words computer or PC means something that you couldn't easily use a single pre-existing word for.

      Re the French - it's not that the government is trying to guide the growth of the language, but rather trying to control or restrict -- with I find worse.

      So, recap: Bringing in a new word which replaces something that before you would have had to describe in a lot of other words - that makes sense.
      Replacing an existing word for no big gain does not make much sense and does not do language a favour.

      I need to see whether I will find it again - but I do remember reading something about the danger of English breaking apart because it's absorbing way too many words from way too many different languages and cultures, in too short a time. This might leads to rifts in English being 'different' in different areas (and by different I mean well beyond simple differences in local dialects). This might end up in English becoming LESS of an international language that promotes understanding.

    12. Re:Thank God by bobcat7677 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Twitter" is not a universally accepted and standardized form of communication like a telephone or fax machine. Therefore it should not be treated the same by a news person. The correct form would be "President Obama earlier today published a statement addressing corruption allegations via the "Twitter" internet social networking service. This would allow anyone not familiar with Twitter to easily understand basically what occurred (including future historians who may not not know what Twitter is without referencing other historical materials to find out).

  2. Gained respect for NYT by Junta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I cringe every time I hear the word 'tweet'.

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    1. Re:Gained respect for NYT by vikstar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Phil Corbett groks journalism.

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    2. Re:Gained respect for NYT by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I cringe every time I hear the word 'tweet'.

      I cringe everytime I hear english. It's the language of borrowed words, and I'm pretty sure the rules for it were invented a lot later, when people realized they might have to teach it. This is why when it comes to english, I prefer to be practical: If it's understandable by everyone involved, it is "good" language. If nobody understands it, it is "bad" language. Whether the words are on the approved list or not is pedantic and not useful.

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    3. Re:Gained respect for NYT by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. Not only that, but anyone (eg: the submitter) who thinks that Twitter is in any way pushing the NYT into obsolescence is insane. Twitter is inane and stupid, the NYT is actual, you know, news.

      Other variations on news may or may not be making the NYT obsolete, but Twitter has not a damn thing to do with it.

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    4. Re:Gained respect for NYT by TomXP411 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heck, I'm still annoyed at "website". When did those two words merge?

    5. Re:Gained respect for NYT by jimbolauski · · Score: 5, Funny

      The hyphen was removed in 2000 it was part of the fix for the y2k bug.

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    6. Re:Gained respect for NYT by digitig · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tweet is not standard English, at least not yet.

      According to the Complete Oxford English Dictionary:
      "tweet, n. and int. An imitation of the note of a small bird. Also repeated."
      "Hence tweet v. trans., to utter in this way, to twitter; also transf." [my emphasis]
      It's been standard English since the middle of the 19th century. With variant spellings it goes back at least as far as the 16th century.

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    7. Re:Gained respect for NYT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "English doesn't borrow words from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them unconscious, and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar." Still Twitter is for twits that think we care about the minutiae of their lives.

    8. Re:Gained respect for NYT by Verunks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah. Not only that, but anyone (eg: the submitter) who thinks that Twitter is in any way pushing the NYT into obsolescence is insane. Twitter is inane and stupid, the NYT is actual, you know, news.

      Other variations on news may or may not be making the NYT obsolete, but Twitter has not a damn thing to do with it.

      I actually find twitter very useful at least in the way I use it, I do follow game developers twitters like http://twitter.com/OfficialBFBC2 to get almost realtime news, and you can even ask something directly to them and get an answer sometimes, things like this were unthinkable just a few years ago
      of course this is way different than saying that twitter will replace NYT, but still it's not something "insane and stupid"

    9. Re:Gained respect for NYT by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2, Funny

      Neology is a religion centered around a make-believe Messiah in a highly successful sci-fi trilogy by the Wachowski brothers.

      As for 'neologism', well that's just some obnoxious term Wikipedia uses, as parodied by the recent malamanteau xkcd entry.

    10. Re:Gained respect for NYT by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I cringe everytime I hear english. It's the language of borrowed words, and I'm pretty sure the rules for it were invented a lot later, when people realized they might have to teach it.

      Here, you're largely right. Many rules and normative practices WERE invented relatively recently. For instance, the rule to never split infinitives (hah) came into being because you don't split infinitives in Latin, and Latin is the perfect language (of course infinitives in Latin are a single word, so it's not wonder they can't be split!). I believe another example is the world "island" -- why the "s" ?? It's totally unpronounced? Well, the spelling was modified to look more like Franco-Latin as opposed to the english pronunciation...

      This is why when it comes to english, I prefer to be practical: If it's understandable by everyone involved, it is "good" language. If nobody understands it, it is "bad" language. Whether the words are on the approved list or not is pedantic and not useful.

      Here you're (imho) wrong. Your practical rule may make sense to you, but around the world there are billions of English speakers. It's far and away the most spoken language. I do NOT mean native speakers, I mean people who have learned some level of English. This is a critical distinction for things like "Spanglish," "Hinglish," "Engrish" and so on. What you and I may easily understand, somebody else may not. Hell, people from the backwoods of Minnesota and somebody from an isolated holler in Appalachia vs a inner-city Brooklynite already have a different enough starting base!

      The point of rules and standard words is to create some standard that millions of people can use and expect (or hope!) to be understood.

      This is not to say that languages cannot and should not evolve, just that I don't think your point is correct.

      On the actual topic of the article, I hate twitter and tweet, and am more than glad to see a big-name source of journalism axe the term twitter! I think it's a very fair point that in one, or two, or ten years there's an incredibly high chance people won't be using twitter. Not to mention, I see people around here complain about "Xeroxing" things all the time :-p Anyway, think about reading something about the internet from 1996 or so that might use terms... "After I opened Mozilla was altavistaing the topic, i got ICQed and knew something strange was going on"

      Would anybody today who DIDN'T use the Internet then (ie, the vast majority of people) understand what the heck those words meant?

    11. Re:Gained respect for NYT by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Tweet", as in something that birds do, is indeed standard English, just like "meow" and "woof".

      "Tweet", as in something to do with internet posts, is NOT standard English. It's just a stupid fad that will be forgotten in 5 years.

    12. Re:Gained respect for NYT by oatworm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Many languages have official government-sanctioned boards that determine what's "in" and what's "out", similar to a standardization board (IEEE or something similar). German, for example, has the Rat für deutsche Rechtschreibung, which helped orchestrate the Spelling Reform of 1996. English, meanwhile, is one of the few major languages with no central regulatory body in charge of it for a variety of reasons, chief among which being that the US wouldn't (heck, already doesn't) recognize British "English" as official and vice-versa.

      The cool part about English's decentralization is that it can adapt very quickly; the bad part, of course, is that it does adapt very quickly and frequently without thought. It's sort of like the difference between C++, where it takes over a decade to make any significant changes, and BASIC, which has several dialects, most of which are virtually indecipherable to one another, and changes according to the needs of whomever wishes to claim they "speak BASIC".

    13. Re:Gained respect for NYT by TheABomb · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have a Woof on line 1.

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    14. Re:Gained respect for NYT by guyminuslife · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just spent ten minutes of my life tracking down the source of that unattributed quote.

      So if you have less free time than me (and if so, why are you on Slashdot?), it's misquoted, and it's this guy.

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    15. Re:Gained respect for NYT by guyminuslife · · Score: 3, Funny

      the US wouldn't (heck, already doesn't) recognise British "English" as official and vice-versa.

      FTFY

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    16. Re:Gained respect for NYT by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

      HAI! I CAN HAZ TWEETER??

    17. Re:Gained respect for NYT by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a major difference between natural languages and programming languages with respect to authority: with programming languages, people tend to aim to follow the spec. Maybe the Germans follow the recommendations of their academy, but the French certainly don't - the Academie Française tends to come up with convoluted expressions for neologisms and the man on the street sticks with the snappy loanword.

      On your point about English having multiple centres, the two official languages where I live both have multiple academies. Spanish has 22 Academias, which collaborate for works such as the Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas but also produce their own works: for example, the Academia Mexicana de la Lengua produces a Diccionario breve de Mexicanismos . Catalan / Valenciano has one academy in Barcelona and another in Valencia.

    18. Re:Gained respect for NYT by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Tweet also applies only to one specific function of a specific commercial website. At least the word blog is a generic term that anybody can use.

      I can just see the uproar on /. if the following headline hit the mainstream:

      "Canonical Ltd released the newest version of their windows today."

  3. He has a point by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine imagine yourself reading the NYT archive from the 1920s and finding "flivver" or "flapper". Now imagine someone in a hundred years reading the archive of the now-current NYT and finding "tweet". Same deal.

    He's may be too uptight* about it, but his idea is not completely without merit.

    [*: 40 years ago?]

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    1. Re:He has a point by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He is only going to use language that never looses meaning through time? yeah, good luck with that.

      It's also a disingenuous way to represent the current culture climate.

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    2. Re:He has a point by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Tweet is a word"
      Tweet is what a bird does. Tweet does not, officially, mean "to submit a text string to twitter.com". The problem using "tweet" is that it's slang. Slang terms are unprofessional. You might as well allow NYT editors to write articles like "Popo caps a bitch after she tried to jack a 7-11" instead of "police shoot a woman after she attempted to rob a convenience store".

      This entire situation is not a matter of "do people understand what we're saying?" It's a matter of "Is this professional". Of course people know what the word "tweet" means, but the issue is that it's not professional.

      And responding to the assertion that twitter will force out the NYT: bullshit. Refusing to use slang terms in a professional publication does not ensure said publication's demise. In fact, it ensures exactly the opposite, that people will still regard the NYT as a professional publication with real writers, not some website where anyone can post literally anything without even the most basic fact checking.

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    3. Re:He has a point by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tweet is a word, same as all the rest. and while it is more then possible that it will fade from style that does not mean that it should not be used.

      It doesn't mean you have to use it every other sentence. This is particularly true if the subject of the story is Egyptian mummies, the campaigns of Napoleon, or a new composition by Philip Glass. Actually, on second thoughts it's probably OK for the latter.

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    4. Re:He has a point by JanneM · · Score: 3, Funny

      "It's also a disingenuous way to represent the current culture climate."

      Last time I looked, newspapers were into reporting news. "Represent the current culture climate" is what literature majors are supposed to be doing between shifts at the fryer station.

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    5. Re:He has a point by nebaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even Mark Twain made this mistake once: 'The "advice" is concerning deportment on reaching the Gate which St. Peter is supposed to guard: Upon arrival do not speak to St. Peter until spoken to. ... Don't try to kodak him. Hell is full of people who have made that mistake.' (Emphasis mine). Kodak was used as a verb often back then, as they basically had a camera monopoly. Nowadays, we can understand the reference, but it still seems weird.

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    6. Re:He has a point by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Funny

      .

      Slang terms are unprofessional. You might as well allow NYT editors to write articles like "Popo caps a bitch after she tried to jack a 7-11"

      Finally a Slashdot post I can understand!

    7. Re:He has a point by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slang terms are unprofessional. You might as well allow NYT editors to write articles like "Popo caps a bitch after she tried to jack a 7-11" instead of "police shoot a woman after she attempted to rob a convenience store".

      I think the problem there has less to do with professionalism than with the fact that the slang version is simply hard to understand. News writers favor plain, direct, comprehensible English. There is no benefit gained by obscuring your story with pointless colloquialisms.

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    8. Re:He has a point by thenextstevejobs · · Score: 4, Funny

      " You might as well allow NYT editors to write articles like "Popo caps a bitch after she tried to jack a 7-11"

      Are you listening NYT? I will buy print and web editions of your paper, as well as follow you on Twitter if this starts happening.

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    9. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree. It's annoying when you make a mistake. There should be a time window where you can edit your post, perhaps 1 minute. That'd be plenty of time to notice the dumb spelling/grammar error in your post, but not nearly enough time for someone else to post a reply, you to read that reply, and then decide to alter your post to make him look like a fool.

    10. Re:He has a point by TheABomb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tweet does not, officially, mean "to submit a text string to twitter.com".

      Oh, really? According to The Twitter Glossary,

      Tweet (verb)
      Tweet, Tweeting, Tweeted. The act of posting a message, often called a "Tweet", on Twitter. Find out how to post a Tweet.

      Tweet (noun)
      A message posted via Twitter containing 140 characters or fewer. Find out how to post a Tweet.

      If anyone has a right to define terms relating to Twitter, that'd be it.

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  4. Agreed by Concern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like good editorial policy to me.

    "Tweet" is almost as bad as "blogosphere."

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    1. Re:Agreed by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know some people are opposed to every new word, but personally I think tweet is one of the better. It was obviously established as a word long before Twitter, at least as far back as 1942. The analogy between a short chirp and a short message works very well with very low probability of confusion, particularly since birds tend to do it all the time for no apparent reason and Twitter users... well, you get the idea. It works in Norwegian too, we have translated to tweet (birds) which is to "kvitre" and people use either that or "tvitre" to be more similar to English. I'm fairly sure this one is here to stay just as "to chat" or "to text", even if something else than Twitter becomes the way to do it.

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    2. Re:Agreed by Concern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the word gains traction over time (instead of joining the graveyard of Internet Fad Words), it will gradually begin sounding more mature and ordinary. Then writers and editors will change their attitude towards it.

      But right now, the problem is not its construction or metaphorical appropriateness, but its newness, its faddishness, and most of all, the "feel" of it in English, which I can best describe as "twee."

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    3. Re:Agreed by sortius_nod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's amusing that geeks hate these terms, but the unwashed masses love them. The seem to think it makes themselves sound "edgy" or "with it", meanwhile, anyone who knows more than how to use the odd website and check email don't use them.

      I've never said "blogosphere" except to take the piss out of someone/something, and "tweet", well, I just tell people they have "twat" or are "twatting".

    4. Re:Agreed by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I completely disagree. "Tweet" is something that birds do, and is a perfectly fine term for that. However, we don't need to repurpose common words for new internet fads, and then use these in professional writing. It's just confusing to anyone who isn't knowledgeable about all the latest stupid fads, and worse, if someone reads an article from today 25 years from now, long after this fad has probably faded away just like many things during the dot-com era, they'll probably have no clue what the author is talking about if he uses the word "tweet".

    5. Re:Agreed by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just try to work the word 'twit' into the conversation in place of 'tweet' whenever possible. You need to do so as if you didn't notice any difference.

    6. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chance has, I am archeologist of future. Traveled now for investigate your strange word usage {tweet | kleenex | slashdotted}. Also your convoluted sentences for {articles | compounds}.

      Thanks arguing for obviate my job, insensitive clod!

    7. Re:Agreed by JackieBrown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People who dont use twitter, you mean. What else would you call "the act of posting to twitter"?

      I would call it "posting" just like I do when I post on a forum or facebook.

    8. Re:Agreed by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just try to work the word 'twit' into the conversation in place of 'tweet' whenever possible. You need to do so as if you didn't notice any difference.

      Is that because it's actually silly or because being annoyed with it makes you look like you're ahead of the internet curve?

      I don't mean to sound insulting, I just think geeks in particular like to grumble about things that are loved by the masses in order to seem above average. I'm not too proud to admit that I do that.

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  5. I'm with the palaeolithic dude by mike260 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This obsession of tech companies with co-opting or coining their own verbs is pretty annoying. If you really must make words up, stick to proper nouns and quit polluting the rest of the namespace.

  6. What's wrong with this? by bonch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This doesn't sound like an Onion story to me. The Times is trying to establish a professional standard of writing, and "tweet" is a silly slang phrase that very well could be obsolete next year if Twitter is no longer as popular. The submitter's quip at the end is trying to turn this into a social media versus old media fight, but the Times is right on this one.

  7. The term I've always used... by WolfTheWerewolf · · Score: 3, Funny

    for those who "tweet" is "twat".

    Much more fitting.

  8. Re:News flash by dloose · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, man... things are never gonna change. EVER. Thinking otherwise is so old-school ~

  9. They should probably look at "Googling it," too by Hottie+Parms · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The phrase "Google it" is used in common society as well, but who knows where the search engine giant will be 50 years from now?

    Yes, it's a dictionary word, but one nice thing about these news institutions is that they provide a central archive of history and major events. Tweet is far more obscure and should be considered no different. Stick to professional language, please.

    Of course, if somebody from the future looks back at newspapers from this time, they'll think that people like Lindsay Lohan were at the top of world-wide Monarchy....but that's beside the point.

  10. Re:News flash by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it will not forever be the term. "Tweet" is a very Twitter-specific term, and a stupid one at that.

  11. He is right by bobcat7677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is sloppy journalism. Being able to read and understand what is written in a newspaper today 100 years from now when "twitter" is something of the distant past is just as important, if not more important then how readable it is to people today. Good journalism seeks to make what is written clear and understandable to anyone who has at least a "basic" understanding of the language. The lazy gits that piss and moan about having to make their wording clear need a lesson in what being a journalist is.

  12. Who is this guy kidding? by kentrel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The NYT isn't going anywhere. It may have to evolve to stay afloat, but it'll outlast Twitter for sure. Even if it didn't, it will be better archived for future generations than Twitter will ever be. Digital social media platforms barely last 5 years before their popularity starts to wane. They also have that signal to noise ratio that's a nightmare for any archive or researcher. They also certainly don't have any obligation for fact checking. Fake NYT news stories aside, at least you know a quote is probably a real quote, whether its taken out of context or not is another argument.

    Anyone of note still swapping news stories on Friendster? ICQ? Even myspace? Hey remember keyboard cat? Chat roulette?

    Twitter has some longevity and will be around for 10 years at least, but I'll give it 3 more until its replaced by a new, better, fad. Actually scratch better. Twitter is inferior to almost every communication medium out there. Lets say, simpler, and by luck, more popular.

    I was walking by some laptop users the other day and heard an ICQ "Incoming message" alarm. Lik

  13. BBS by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always just get flashbacks on how BBS'es were going to change the world. There was a dutch innovation program, quite serious, started to have lots of "bbs" parts. X but with a BBS. Seemed very exciting back then, when I was young.

    Now I see X but with social media and think "meh".

    Will twitter be big? Sure. Same as BBS, the home page and lets not forget RSS. Are we now supposed to blog on our BBS home page and twitter the RSS feed?

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  14. A weak chirping sound by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tweet is not standard English

    English has no normative standards body, but a few U.S. dictionaries define "tweet" as "a weak chirping sound".

    1. Re:A weak chirping sound by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      US English has a few unofficial standards bodies, and the NY Times is one of them.

    2. Re:A weak chirping sound by TheABomb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some social-media fans may disagree, but outside of ornithological contexts, “tweet” has not yet achieved the status of standard English. And standard English is what we should use in news articles. Except for special effect, we try to avoid colloquialisms, neologisms and jargon. And “tweet” — as a noun or a verb, referring to messages on Twitter — is all three. Yet it has appeared 18 times in articles in the past month, in a range of sections.

      Interesting history exercise: find out what year NYT stopped using the standard English "piloting of motored coaches", with its etymological pedigree in the noble seafaring arts, in lieu of the much more vulgar "driving a car", or went to "e-mail" from the proper "dispersal of magic telegrams by way of the electronic devil-machine." The last fifty times I've heard the word "tweet" used were all in non-ornithological contexts.

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    3. Re:A weak chirping sound by vegiVamp · · Score: 3, Informative

      "To drive" is to give direction to something, so that it moves that way - as has been used from way before there were motorised vehicles: shepherds used to drive flocks of sheep, and so on.

      "e-mail" is merely a shorthand for "electronic mail", which is a pretty apt name for the technology. I imagine that the NYT did use the full phrase until such a time that most of it's readers could reasonably be expected to know the shorthand form.

      I fail to see what you're getting at, here.

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  15. Linguistic Progress in Retweet.... by aapold · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll bet people are tweeting this story even now....

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  16. Re:News flash by digitalhermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my humble opinion, "twit" seems a perfectly cromulent word for senders of Twitter messages.

  17. Stupid Words and "Paleolithic" Media. by FunWithKnives · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good on Mr. Corbett. I've held the same view since Twitter came along. "Tweet," "tweeting," "tweeted" - all completely ridiculous words conjured up for no good reason. For that matter, however, I consider Twitter itself to be completely fucking ridiculous, so perhaps my bias runs deeper than simple grammar.

    "... Of course, it is also possible that social media sites will elbow paleolithic media into oblivion, and Mr. Corbett will no longer have to worry about word use..."

    Nice snarky little jab there, but I find the notion of social networking sites supplanting established mass media and news to be as far-fetched as it is reprehensible. Maybe they work on a grassroots level as a bit of a 'complement' to traditional news, but other than that I see no indication whatsoever of them holding their own vis-à-vis peer review, integrity, fact-checking or social responsibility. If this does indeed happen (personally I believe the submitter was just grasping at straws), I'll hold even less hope for humanity in general than I already do, and that ain't much.

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    1. Re:Stupid Words and "Paleolithic" Media. by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yup, wake me up when somebody "tweets" the contemporary equivalent of The Pentagon Papers, and fights the court battles up to the Supreme Court to do so.

  18. Re:News flash by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many expression are in everyday use even thought there original meaning is archaic?

    Please tell me you did that - all of it - on purpose.

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  19. Re:How about google... by wisnoskij · · Score: 2, Informative

    The verb google has already been added the new Merriam-Webster dictionary.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/google

    your slow adoption of words make you sounds like a angry old man.

    Words change and are created all the time, just because google was not a word when you were a kid and it sounds weird to you does not mean that to most 20 somethings it is not as much a part of the language and as professional to use as any other word.

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  20. Re:News flash by Ramze · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps in your social circles, but not in mine.

    There's only one person I know who even uses the word "tweet." Everyone else I know thinks it's stupid. Most people I know that use twitter still say "sent a twitter alert", "sent a twitter update", "posted to twitter", or "follow me on twitter" because "sent a tweet" and "follow my tweets" both sound about as stupid as Steve Ballmer sounded when he talked about "sending a squirt" or "squirting" data between devices.

    No one can say for sure, but my money is on "tweet" becoming as archaic as it is juvenile & it will be largely forgotten.

  21. The only good thing about Twitter is... by billcopc · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

    Everyone else can eat a bag of dicks. Twitter is, to me, a one-liner joke delivery mechanism.

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  22. Re:How about google... by Matthew+M.+McClinch · · Score: 2, Funny

    I love how after the definition it says "Learn more about 'google' with Bing - bing.com"

  23. Re:NYC by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have visited NYC a few times now and I sincerely hope you don't consider the native speech there to be representative of proper American English. It's a weird and extremely grating nasal abomination punctuated by such erudite phrases as "you douchebag, ya scumbag".

    Picking that region and main newspaper for some "lesson" in proper speech is weird. It's completely alien to the rest of the nation. It really should be its own city state, I would be thrilled if they removed themselves from the US actually, or they were asked to just leave, and take their newspapers and so called financial "industry"-the white shoe boys gangster mafia-with them.

    The New York Times does not publish in the dialect(s) of the common citizens of that New York City. It has been regarded as a "paper of record" for most of its existence and is more formal about adhering to an academic writing style than most other newspapers.

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  24. Re:The Internet HAS no words of its own. by skrugen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Post as a verb has been used since at least 1630 to mean 1 a : to publish, announce, or advertise by or as if by use of a placard b : to denounce by public notice c : to enter on a public listing

    The word Internet is derived from the prefix inter- (carried on between) and network. Internet.

    Both of your examples have their roots in standard English. Stop being obtuse. This is about using, for example, tissue over Kleenex or cotton swab over Q-tip.