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UK Police To Allow Gun Users To Renew Licenses With iPhone App

Sussex police are creating a number of iPhone apps for the public, including one to renew your gun license. Unsurprisingly, the plan has some anti-gun groups upset. Lyn Costello, of Mothers Against Murder and Aggression (MAMAA), said, "This isn't suitable, especially in light of what happened in Cumbria. We've got to be extra careful giving gun licenses. We have this attitude that gun murders don't happen very often so it's OK to be lax, but it is not OK and we've got to do everything in our power to stop it happening again. We can't put money before life and if you start to do that we are losing our humanity. It is a really stupid idea.''

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  1. Mothers by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one whose skepticism level is instantly raised when a politically lobbying organization includes the word "Mom" or "Mothers" in it's name?

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    1. Re:Mothers by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's a perfectly sane reaction. Another red flag tends to be the word "against" in the group name, "foo against bar and baf" is a standard "think of the children" group name...

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    2. Re:Mothers by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the US we have MADD (mothers against drunk driving), so it's obvious what they are for: sober driving

      Err, no. MADD used to be for sober driving. Now they're for Prohibition.

    3. Re:Mothers by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well of course. That worked so great in the 1920s! :-| Can the moms in MADD really be so stupid as to repeat the same mistake?

      re: Gun Bans.

      I used a gun to defend myself two years ago. And in the mid-90s a guy grabbed my girlfriend by the throat, and I forced him to run away when I put my gun to the rear of his head.

      Anyway..... I'm curious how these events would be different without a gun for self-defense. In both cases I suspect the end result would be two dead victims. Is that really want anti-gun people want.

      I cannot comprehend it
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    4. Re:Mothers by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clearly you should have run away and called the cops. Also, you're just as guilty as him for fighting back!

    5. Re:Mothers by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, that's what they want. The anti-gun people basically want the government to be the only one that can legally use force (in the form of police). If anyone else uses force, they want it to be illegal, and the only recourse is the police and court system.

      So if someone wants to kill you, you're supposed to allow it to happen, and then trust that the justice system will catch the perpetrator and sentence him to prison.

      If you use "self-defense", you're taking away their civil rights, in their view.

    6. Re:Mothers by lazlo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I like what I call the "AT&T solution" to drunk driving: More bars in more places.

      I mean really, there's no excuse for driving drunk, but if the bar is within walking distance of your house, then there's both no excuse and no reason.

      For reasons unbeknown to me, MADD doesn't seem to agree.

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  2. I'm confused... by Syberz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What exactly is the difference between a gun owner renewing his license online and a gun owner renewing his license in person?

    The guy already owns a gun, he's renewing his license, not applying for one for the first time.

    Convenience is the only difference between using the app versus the old way. This app does not make the streets less safe somehow.

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    1. Re:I'm confused... by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's the point of renewing a license at all if all you have to do is click a button or show up?

      The fee. You do realize that it is all an excuse for the government to put what is essentially a toll booth into your day to day life.

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  3. Re:Guns don't kill people... by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Depends on distance, at less than 21 feet the knife wielder is probably more dangerous. He has no need to reload and aiming a knife is very easy.

  4. Re:Guns don't kill people... by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And I'd take facing someone with a knife over a gun any day.

    But what's to stop a criminal from possessing guns? The entire Slashdot community seems to hate every governmental intrusion of privacy and law enforcement getting all up in your grill, so how do you suggest the government enforces a gun ban? If it's illegal to own guns then anybody who owns a gun is automatically a criminal and somebody we should look out for. I'd take having a gun over not having a gun when facing anybody with anything. Most gun-related crimes are perpetrated by somebody who would never pull the trigger anyway, and most murders performed with a gun could easily be performed with a number of other weapons or non-weapons that no government could conceivably ban. The world is a dangerous place, and I'd rather feel safe in knowing that everybody has a gun than questioning who does while I don't.

  5. Re:Guns don't kill people... by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... Nevermind that the vast majority of gun crimes are from unlicensed gun users. Very rarely is a crime committed by someone with a license, because they receive training and take their responsibility seriously.

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  6. Re:Guns don't kill people... by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quoted for irony. And I'd take facing someone with a knife over a gun any day.

    Oh hell no. I'd rather not.

    I've even been trained in ways to disarm a knife, and you know what? I don't trust myself to do that EVER. It's much easier to keep the barrel of a firearm pointed away from you in a scuffle than escaping from someone with a knife.

    I've been mugged before too, and a knife in your back is a hell of a lot scarier since the person is much more likely to use it if they get pissed off. Firearms draw attention.

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  7. Re:Guns don't kill people... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that's part of it. Legislate the requirement of this type of nonsense, and as prices go up fewer and fewer people will be able to actually AFFORD a gun. Any company that figures out a way to shave costs will get banned as a "Saturday Night Special" for costing too little.

    Remember, they don't see anything wrong with the rich (ie, them) owning guns. The just don't want the commoners having them. This is evidences by so many anti-gunners carrying concealed weapons. Recently one prominent anti-gun activist even shot a home invader. Kinda hard to argue about how bad guns are when you're keeping one yourself AND actually get prompted with a valid opportunity to use it.

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  8. Re:Guns don't kill people... by BeardedChimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the one strange thing I find reading slashdot being British.

    Americans seem to view bearing arms as a right, and I don't mean legally, I mean morally.
    Th idea that the state can limit your armament is not just laughed upon but ridiculed, and yet
    within the UK and Europe, the USA is seen as the antithesis off how to deal with guns.
    Deaths from guns are much higher, the police are less safe and guns are actually considered a problem that society has to deal with.
    You do realise that over here the police do not normally carry guns and yet they are much safer than your cops?

    I'm actually from Northern Ireland and so I know the consequences of large groups of people
    illegally carrying guns and I can assure you that the only thing that comes of more people carrying
    is further death. Guns do not solve problems (like crime) they create them. They are self perpetuating.

  9. Re:Guns don't kill people... by drsquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Insane cab drivers kill people. He just chose to use guns. As witnessed by recent mass killings in China, he could have easily used a knife

    How does a drive-by knifing work again?

    Sadly people in England are (A) disarmed and (B) pacified to the point where they expect the government to save them

    Yeah it's almost as if we want to live in a civilised society rather than the Wild West.

    Are you honestly saying that the people of Cumbria should have to walk around armed at all times in case they're attacked by mad gunmen? Sounds like America is a pretty horrible place if that's how you have to live.

    How would an armed population have helped anyway? Once someone blasts you in the face with a shotgun, you're not going to fight back no matter what weapon you have.