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Pakistan To Scour Google, Yahoo For Blasphemy
sv_libertarian sends in this excerpt from an AP report:
"Pakistan will start monitoring seven major websites, including Google, Yahoo, and Amazon, for sacrilegious content, while blocking 17 other, lesser-known sites it deems offensive to Muslims, an official said Friday. The moves follow Pakistan's temporary ban imposed on Facebook in May that drew both praise and condemnation in a country that has long struggled to figure out how strict a version of Islam it should follow. ... 'If any particular link with offensive content appears on these websites, the (link) shall be blocked immediately without disturbing the main website,' [said Pakistan Telecommunication Authority spokesman Khurram Mehran]."
The department that will handle that will one day become larger than the IRS.
So does that mean they are only block my comment from being viewed, but not all of slashdot? I'd like to see how they plan on doing that.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Hilariously.
Allah Akbar.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
Imagine if these companies sought to block Pakistan or any other Islamic country. There would be uproar and claims of racism, anti-religious behaviour etc. etc. Yet when these same governments block sites for religious purposes it's considered some sort of right to choose (nevermind that it's on behalf of so many whose rights are stomped). I don't have an issue with people blocking their own access out of stupidity, but this idea that they can choose on behalf of others is a reminder of why religious rather than rational reasoning is so dangerous and has no place in politics.
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It must be sad to so terrified that your religion will collapse if you don't control what the adherents read. Any religion that can only survive by censorship is a religion deserving of nothing but absolute scorn and the sincerest wish that it end up in the trash heap of worthless ideas.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I wonder if they will ship this out to a call center in Mumbai. Now that would be funny.
"Thank you for calling the blasphemy hotline, this is Steve, how may I direct your call?"
Like this?
0 <- Mohammed
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/ \
Come censor slashdot!
P.S. I secretly rub bacon in all the other ingredients at Subway.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
Somewhere, someone on the internet is blaspheming. Duty calls.
The Pope Song, by Tim Minchin.
Oh, wait, Pakistan's only monitoring for certain kinds of blasphemy, like cartoons of that other religious leader :) Carry on, Tim!
ITT: stuff we don't want pakistanis to find.
carry on...
That would be hilarious, not offensive. I'd buy swag from whatever company vengefully blocked them back.
Ah, but we do want pakistanis to find this. It is their government that doesn't wish for them to view it.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Yet when these same governments block sites for religious purposes it's considered some sort of right to choose
Bullshit. The entire reason it is a big news story is because it is so bogus.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
I kind of, make a link with the Android's ToS.... Since it is legally for Google to ban/kill "blasphemy" applications (because you agreed to ToS), why is not valid for Pakistan to ban/kill religious "blasphemy"??? Let me remind you that Pakistan people also agreed to their religious ToS...
At my job I have the added responsibility of monitoring the web for gaming articles and internet memes.
Muhammad was just another drugged out nut in the desert. God (or Allah) is just fantasy. There is no God. The entire Islamic faith is based on fantasy.
Come block Slashdot!
The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
This is Pakistan's form of net neutrality. Doesn't it make you excited to bring it over to the States? I'm sure nothing but good would come of it.
When you bend over backwards to accommodate radicals. Facebook caved in so easily, now Islam wants to police the entire internet...
There's an old saying: Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
I feel sorry for non radical muslims living in Pakistan because you will soon lose access to slashdot? Why? Because of the following comment:
Mohammed was not the prophet of god, he was a homosexual violence crazed pedophile who enjoyed sneaking pork sandwiches between cock-sucking sessions.
To Pakistan, with love from yours truly and probably quite few of us here on slashdot.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
I wonder if this will spark Anonymous into trolling them? I mean more than they are already.
The more people are able to see the world through the internet the more freedom's they see everyone else has and the less control religion has on them. People are starting to think for themselves instead of being sheep. The method of control that has worked for centuries is starting to erode away. The fear mongering that was once possible is much more difficult and the result is outright violence.
This is a story of desperate people who hide behind religion as a method of control who are forced to control what people can read or see in order to retain that control. Unfortunately for them it's only a matter of time before it completely erodes.
People today want to follow those who make sense with their rule, not declare they are sent by God, or "chosen".
They are all prejudiced!
Just because you know calling another kid a name will make him mad doesn't mean that you should do it. A little respect, please.
An intolerant, closed minded, excuse of a religion deserves true excommunication. Cut off all web contact with Pakistan so that no slight, accidental or deliberate, could occur.
People who insist on living in the past will be buried with it.
The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
To make sure Slashdot is banned from Pakistan, it isn't enough to point out that Mohammed was a pedophile, although he was. It will be necessary to also insult the terrorist loving spokesman for Pakistan Telecommunication Authority Khurram Mehran, and secretly homosexual Ministry of Information Technology Muhammad Latif Khan Khosa.
From the Koran: "The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old"
They would likely block any page that showed your comment, including the main article page. That's how I interpreted their comment (they probably were thinking of Web 1.0 when they wrote it, and not the modern web of visitor-created content mixing with site content).
This stuff seems to me more the product of totalitarian thinking and less uniquely "Islamic". Case in point, these Russians facing jail for blasphemy:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104734902
Fundamentalists of all stripes are a threat to basic freedoms.
Most people that believe in liberal democracy don't agree that it is OK for Pakistan to do it.
Most people that are strongly nationalistic probably believe it is OK for Pakistan to do it, but also think that blocking al-jazeera is appropriate too.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
Ha, that is full of win!
Fundamentalist thought in all faith is dangerous, right now: in our time, fundamentalist Muslim thought is our ENEMY. The war will be fought with education, and educating to begin with: the "I may disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it" is a good start.
The more you tighten your grip, Pakistan, the more web sites will slip through your fingers.
Necron69
ps. Apologies to Princess Leia
Yeah... right.
Prevent an airline from operating in you country because a passenger misbehaved.
If you're running a website, is there a way to detect visitors who are (probably) in Pakistan (like, is there a specific block of IPs that is assigned to Pakistan), to redirect them to a page explaining that you'd rather not risk getting a death sentence from Pakistan, so you are not willing to serve content in that jurisdiction?
I say everyone should just create an Internet Embargo against Pakistan if they're going to be like that. Cut em off.
Google's page is pretty simple, a text box and a button, not a ton of content.
Great Firewall of China.
Great Fatwahl of Pakistan?
-- Insert witty one-liner here. --
Because, of course, while we can offend Christians, Jews, leftists, rightists, moderates, environmentalists, and so-on...
everyone knows how delicate the sensibilities of journalist-beheading Muslims are, and that they cannot take the trauma of someone implying that there could be anything less than perfect in their culture.
Just because you know calling another kid a name will make him mad doesn't mean that you should do it. A little respect, please.
When the entire PURPOSE of that anger is to squelch dissent and stifle free speech?
FUCK OFF!!!!
This world will be a much better and safer when Islam is dragged out of the 11th century.
Best hack in the world would be to change whatever error message pops up when someone hits something blasphemous so that it redirects to Encyclopedia Dramatica. I like this one.
That may be flamebait, it's still my honest opinion.
because i can guarantee they will find offensive material on the internet and you can find a link from one website to another and basically "leapfrog" from one website to another where the offensive material is located, so why spend the time and money searching for it, i can tell you it is already there so do yourself a favor and pull the plug pakistan and any other muslim & islamic nation that is worried about being offended. it is out there already just a click away.
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
If refusing to consider ideas or facts that conflict with your preconceptions means you're terrified, than most people on Slashdot must be constantly wetting their pants!
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Shhhh . . .Stick Muhammad is sleeping. Don't wake him up with your freaky religious intolerance. He'd be disappointed by your unwillingness to be happy to just conquer and tax people you don't agree with.
I scream. You scream. I assume that means we're both acquainted with the problem. We proceed.
So, this should be equally offensive to Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Those of y’all who consider yourselves believers in a variation of one of those themes, pay attention:
If I were to tell you a story about a talking unicorn who gave a pep talk to the reluctant hero before instructing the hero in how to wield his magic wand, you’d know instantly that I was telling you a make-believe faery tale that has no bearing on reality whatsoever.
If I were to swap out the unicorn with talking shrubbery, you’d still come to the same conclusion, but you’d think it’s a particularly weird story taking even stranger liberties with reality.
But if I were to light the shrubbery on fire, name the hero, “Moses,” and call the wand “The Staff of Aaron,” you’d know that this is the absolute truth, the Word of YHWH, to be accepted uncritically as historical fact. (Exodus chapters 3 and 4, to be specific.) Or, at the very least, it’s some sort of utterly profound morality play from which deep meaning can and should be drawn.
And you’d be a complete and total blithering fucking idiot for doing so.
Cheers,
b&
All but God can prove this sentence true.
Intense concern over matters of religious adherence, blasphemy or other measures of religious adherence, practice or devotion. Focusing this concern on people outside your nation with substantial cultural and/or religious differences from you and/or the Internet intensifies this effect.
The overall impact of this is to make your nation appear filled with superstitious, power-hungry and intolerant zealots. People will not fear or respect you, they will dislike you for this and believe you are petty, small-minded and foolish.
You will be mocked and laughed at and your nation will remain an ignorant backwater, its people suffering from disease and maladies long since cured by more flexible and rational thinking.
Not quite: People who are strongly nationalistic believe that it's not OK for Pakistan to do it. After all, how are they supposed to see that such blatant religious control of a country is so wrong.
But they do think that blocking al-jazeera is appropriate, but first they need to get back to making sure there's a reference to God in our pledges, money, and any government document they can put it on.
you assume that every person there chooses to be there?
if I disagree with a law in canada, there's nothing I can do about it. I don't have the money to go move anywhere, and as a white dude from a peaceful country, nobody will take me as a refugee.
even if the grass is greener on the other side, that doesn't mean everybody can go there.
Here is my drawing of Muhammad: :)
There now Pakistan can block Slashdot too.
How blasphemous to use a blasphemous website to identify blasphemy!
http://www.artadox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jackson-pollock-mural.jpg
Proof positive that Jackson Pollock was killed by Muslim extremists.
I scream. You scream. I assume that means we're both acquainted with the problem. We proceed.
You think that the radicals have it in for Americans/Europeans who "insult islam?" That's nothing. Find somebody who is of an islamic background and opposes the idiocy of the radicals, and they might as well have a target on their head. At least the others have the excuse of being ignorant infidels... so only doing something fairly big/obvious gets them targeted.
I really wonder how they console the idea there are different gods and theirs' the best yet he needs their feeble human help to save his face.
Basically they are ass-wipes and now they have a government working for them.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Do not tolerate intolerance, our you will find yourself beheaded and deprived of your rights by fanatics from all religions, countries, and walks of life...Christians, Jews, Muslims, and all else included!
will they also block the church of the true creator ? (http://www.venganza.org/)
new sig
I wish religious people would just knock it off. I'm sick of the whole silly thing. Yes I know that the majority of relgiious people are private about it and don't try to force it on everyone else, but they're still part of the problem because they allow the nutters/leaders to get away with all the crazy things that they do.
If parents/schools stopped teaching religion to children, religious beliefs would die out within three generations. They're just hand-me-down myths and superstitions, orginally concocted by a minority intent on adjusting society to suit themselves.
As a species, surely we have better things to do with our time?
If you publish a copyrighted document for example, without its holder approval, is it a blasphemy too? Because, at the end, Mohamed has all the copyrights over his religion, and anyone who infringes it, is breaking the law, right?
Let me remind you that Pakistan people also agreed to their religious ToS...
That's a very interesting take on things. You're suggesting that anyone living under an oppressive regime agrees to it's terms. Well that excuses ANY and ALL oppressive behaviour and atrocities. You're basically endorsing every oppressive regime that ever existed. Is that really what you intended to say?
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
This is their law. Simple as that. If people don't want websites blocked they should repeal the law. Why are we getting our panties all in a bunch? Let's worry about repealing the "Patriot" Act... and let Pakistanis handle their own business.
The difference one may cite is that the government is not suppling such christian software. The US government, however, does require filtering software in certain situations and such filtering software is seen as having a radical christian bent most people who do not suffer from radical christian ideas.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Beware of a man of only one book...
Continue building your fantasy world, Pakestan, we will build Internet without you and your culture. That is too bad, you would enrich us so much, but you'll be welcomed to come when you'll be ready.
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
Here is a list of inoffensive websites. This is a comprehensive list which will encompass every single website that is not insulting to Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Shintoism, Republicans, Democrats, Randroids, Scientists, Fantasy Writers, Raisin Smugglers, Budgie Smugglers, and Serial Murderers:
http://127.0.0.1/
There. You will never be offended.
Pakistan: We are laughing at you.
--
BMO
I see what you mean, but, legally speaking, you don't sound convincing. Let me ask you, what is oppressive regime? How do you define it? And, which is more important, do you have a legal ground for its definition? Some consider Apple App Store as oppressive, other thinks Google Androids ToS is oppressive, in fact, anything could be named oppressive by one or another group, so, where is the thin red line? Anyway, all the Pakistan people did agree to live in their country, and obey their law, which is as binding and legal as.....every law is. Period.
I don't think they believe the Devil exists, that's kind of the point.
You've got to hide it from the kids, koo-koo-a-choo!
They are using white-out to cover up the bad words on screen.
Western "liberals" would ally themselves with the Devil - literally
I'd ally myself with the Devil just for the fun of it. He sounds like a much more interesting guy than this boring old fart Yahweh, especially if the whole story about his revolt and such is genuine.
That doesn't seem very hard ... just filter out that short segment of the html.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
"Imagine if these companies sought to block Pakistan or any other Islamic country. There would be uproar and claims of racism, anti-religious behaviour etc. etc. Yet when these same governments block sites for religious purposes it's considered some sort of right to choose"... by whom exactly? This claim of hypocrisy will be so much more interesting if you can take it past the straw man phase and make it stick to a notable person.
It makes me despair that so many people here somehow find a means to feel sympathetic to these guys' opinion (either explicitly or, which is more common, by taking it from their own religious point of view). As soon as you start walking down that path, you're bound to obey every randomly idiotic law some religious nut, somewhere, at some point in time, had the good idea to utter... and at this point, you know where to stick your freedom of speech. And sadly, that holds true for *all* religions.
I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication leads to hangover. Hangover leads to sobering.
Searching for blasphemy seems to be a little odd. Sure, if blasphemy crops up while you're Googling something innocuous like "How do I host an Al Qaeda party". Maybe then you send a suicide bomber, but to actively look for blasphemy seems like such a waste of time unless you're looking for an excuse to cause a ruckus.
There is a fundamental flaw with your operations sir.
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Another giant step backwards for mankind. If these people want to be taken seriously, they need to join the 21st century. If you want to live and work alongside the rest of the world, you'll need to toughen up a bit, and not get offended every time someone draws a caricature of Muhammad, or calls him a clown.
If the Internet is contained in the $Holy_Book, it is redundant,therefore useless.
If it is not, it's not only useless, but very dangerous.
So many offensive ED pages, so little time...
Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
Since they're Googling for blasphemy, let me be the first to say: all Muslims are terrorist scumbags. I spit on the false prophet Muhammad, pig dog that he is. Pthtphphpthpth.
Muslims read and recite the whole Qu'ran with great interest and study. Say what you want about Evangelicals, but at least they have the good sense to ignore the bible and sing meaningless pop songs about prosperity instead. It makes America a much nicer place to live.
The internet treats blasphemy as content, and pirates it.
...and see if he can hook you up with one of those Internet "kill" switches that you can use to close your eyes and ears when the infidels say, or type, or heaven forbid, draw things that are "offensive.
If you've reached the point where you have a regime, you've got oppression.
And I'll even narrow that further. Any violation of:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
makes you oppressive. There is your thin red line, with a robust legal ground standing beneath it.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
"My god has a bigger dick than your god!"
George Carlin
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
They can have my firefox greasemonkey script.....
(I turned it off to read your comment this one time)
- Robert Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long
Fuck Pakistan and Muhammad!!!!!
Wearing a Burqa, I'll buy that magazine!
In cyberspace, nobody can hear you explode.
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
"Scour"? It's the fucking Internet. How hard can it be? Start here! Let everyone know when you're done, ok?
UTF-8: There and Back Again
The only thing to do is to do is to flood the web with as many epistles telling the world what you think about that violent death cult Islam. Ultimately, Pakistan is just wasting time and money that its people could spend making their miserable lives better.
Great idea Pakistan. I think the only practical and effect way to do that would be to just block the entire Internet. Reminds me of Weird Al's song...
There's no phone, no lights, no motorcar
Not a single luxury
Like Robinson Caruso
It's as primitive as can be
i propose the massive and relentless colocation of 4chan. we must not rest until the prophet muhammad and pedobear are socially indistinguishable.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Come with me Pakistani dudes! I'll give you a virtual tour of the Internet that will make your turbans unravel in shock! You'll see the 500 pound naked lady! You'll see a myriad of orifices of all descriptions! You'll see things done to farm animals, cartoon characters, coca-cola bottles and bowling pins! You'll see men doing things to men, women and "other" that you never imagined possible! Once I open this door for you, a bunch of juvenile fuckers drawing your guy will no longer seem relevant! You'll have the entirety of the Internet at your disposal and it'll be your job to browse it! Oh sure you might have to find some "blasphemy" from time to time to keep your boss happy, but there's so much else to see while you're looking at it! If you want some keywords to get you started, try "XXX Teen Blasphemy". Run with it! Have some fun! First one's free, we'll be in touch I'm sure!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The sooner the world rids itself of Islam, the better. All religion should go, but the worst of the lot needs to go first.
I have no patience for so-called "moderate" Muslims. This kind of wacko nut-case extremism is the inevitable result of so-called "faith". It happened to Christianity in the Middle Ages, and the only reason Judaism hasn't damaged the lives of billions of people is that it never really became all that popular.
While Judaism and Christianity have found some grudging accomodation with modernity, Islam will not (and cannot). It's utterly incompatible with human dignity and progress.
I see what you mean, but, legally speaking, you don't sound convincing.
I suspect you mean morally speaking but you've been so unclear that I can only guess. You see I do not hold a law degree in Pakistan, nor am i a judge or lawyer or police officer, nor am I a member of any legislative body. I can't speak legally, and I suspect nor can you.
Let me ask you, what is oppressive regime? How do you define it? And, which is more important, do you have a legal ground for its definition?
It's easy enough to define logically consistent definition of an oppressive regime. Plenty of work has been done there. You might want to check some of the founding documents for the United Nations. Or perhaps check with Amnesty International. Or perhaps look at the TED speech by Sam Harris which talks about moral landscapes and defining morality that relies on logic rather than religion. In any case the argument you're using is old and tired and doesn't hold much weight: It is just used as an excuse for oppressors to oppress, as much religion is.
Some consider Apple App Store as oppressive, other thinks Google Androids ToS is oppressive, in fact, anything could be named oppressive by one or another group, so, where is the thin red line?
Are you really trying to tell me you are unable to determine the difference between a commercial store that sells a product and has terms of service that some consider unfair and a government who will force laws on people that they do not want, and enforce those laws lethally? Having an app on the iPhone not be approved (especially when there are alternatives) isn't in the same league as being shot for watching soccer or kissing someone. It's a continuum not a thin red line or a slippery slope. But we're talking about opposite ends of it.
Anyway, all the Pakistan people did agree to live in their country, and obey their law, which is as binding and legal as.....every law is. Period.
You're an idiot. Period. People don't choose where they are born. Not every person agrees with the law in their country. Saying something that is not true is and adding the word period just makes you look like an immature fool. You might be happy to live under an oppressive regime (at least until you do something they decide you should be killed for) but others aren't. Thank goodness for that.
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
There, just got Slashdot blocked in Pakistan.
Posting AC to avoid getting a fatwa on my ass.
These companies -- Google, Yahoo, etc -- aren't doing that, so how is anybody going to find a notable person saying that half?
As for the other half -- that Pakistan has a right to ban these sites for being offensive -- consider the aftermath of the Facebook ban. I'm not sure who you consider notable, but plenty of Muslim journalists wrote articles supporting the ban and called for a "Muslim Facebook" to be made, etc.
The US State Department issued a very confusing press release they agreed that Pakistan should protect its people from offensive speech but at the same time that it shouldn't restrict millions of people from using the sites. So kind of stupid and poorly thought out. That's our State Department.
Alla is a wanker
It'd be much easier too. It's only one IP block.
As opposed to the other way around, when you have to block every individual site and distributed caches like akami.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
So, simply because they put some ban on some sites makes them oppressive regime??? Common, you can do it better than that. Be consistent at least. Apple App store user agreement is "unfair"? I mean, the little detail about tracking your actual geo-location all the time? Do you realize that this is the wet pipe dream of every oppressive tyrant.... Oh, i forgot, we are talking about Steve Jobs, he is just a business-man, and it's just a business. How silly of me. And btw, people DO choice where to live, and how, and when. Saying that this is not true does not make it true. And adding insults before or after the dot does not make you more intelligent. Period.
I think you mean sacrilegious expression. Or sacrilege.
Pakistan's Deputy Attorney General has launched a criminal investigation against Zuckerberg and others in response to Facebook hosting a "Draw Muhammad" contest on its site late last month. On May 19, Pakistani authorities blocked access to Facebook over the contest, and this ban was lifted on May 31 after Facebook removed the page in Pakistan and other countries.
Section 295-C of the penal code reads: "Use of derogatory remark etc, in respect of the Holy Prophet, whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable for fine."
A Pakistani High Court judge summoned the police after lawyer Muhammad Azhar Siddique filed an application for a First Information Report (FIR), claiming that the owners of Facebook had committed a heinous and serious crime under Section 295-C of the Pakistan Penal Code.
According to Pro Paskistani, petitioner Muhammad Azhar Sidiqque said he's waiting for the police to contact Interpol about making arrangements for the arrest of Facebook's owners and "Andy". The site also says that the Deputy Attorney General told the High Court that Pakistan’s United Nations representative has asked to escalate the issue in the UN General Assembly
In Pakistan they model themselves AFTER the German National Socialists.
Toss in a whackjob cult - called islam - WOW
Ever notice how mad people go - and how easy it is to make them go mad.....
Tell them that there is a devil, and that after the process of making people hate themselves, their own body and their own natural functions - which depersonalises them and then splits them off from their selves and reality - so that they are always obeying what they are told instead of questioning it, and they are always trying to be right according to the rules, even tho the rules have no grounding in fact or reality.
So they become neurotic - and start to think that after having been forced to disassociate from themselves through the mind, body, feelings connection - that in the natural process of self reconnecting with selves, that "intrusive thoughts" now become "the enemy" and one has to start to grovel at the magic sticks on the wall and say silly incantations such as "Get behind thee satan".....
And have you ever noticed that even tho the mighty fictitious diety who I am told - and for it is written, has all power for all time, that after the asking, nay telling the fictitious entity "IN the name of jeeezers, get behind theee oh satan" - that the fictitious diety never actually seems to stay getted behind the?
And the madness continues.....
Religion is such an evil mind fuck - and it's profitable too, IF you can get people on the back foot and keep them off balance by creating shit for them to follow, instead of giving them the time and resources to think and compare what is actually being taught to them, with external and different realities.
Like is that actually true, or is it just shit that is being fed to me?
Fear, manipulation, guilt, shame, threats of violence or the implied threat of violence......
This is a little bit fuzzy - mainly due to time, the tribes and civilisations and their movements and all of that. It's all terribly interwoven and there is an awful lot to write about.
So your getting the simplified point form version.
OK the people monkey slime apes crawled out of middle Africa, they migrated THROUGH the areas of the Nile river and delta and the Euphrates river and delta (Babylon Mesopotamia).
It involves squillions of people, dieties and hocus pocus bullshit.
a) There is no such thing as jews. (or moslems, or cathaholics, or Jehoovers Witlessness, or Morons, or Anglecans, or Jesewerits, Prodestants, Baptists, luthe
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Voting up, Voting down - If I really gave a fuck about your approval or not, I'd come and ask you.
https://www.google.com/
The extra "S" is for extra Sinning!
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Pakistan must IMMEDIATELY block these sacrilegious pictures!
Please, upon pain of death, do NOT click on the above link!
Ummm..Do I get a reward for finding these?
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- aqk
F U
Pakistan seems ready to ban the Internet (again) (well, parts of it)!
On the face of it, this is Internet banning silly season all over again. But wait. Maybe, this is different. Maybe, its not even a bad thing! Maybe, this is exactly what we need!
But before I explain why this may be so, here are the essential facts. The machinations of banning the Internet in Pakistan are not new. It has sometimes been done to silence political speech (and here), but its more common and certainly its recent incarnation is in the name of religion. Of course, the frenzy was at its height recently with the ‘Facebook ban.’ Now it seems that the Lahore High Court has ordered the banning of an entire range of websites, possibly including Google, Yahoo, MSN and Bing. Supposedly, the government’s position is that “no website will be blocked without investigation,” but also that websites will be blocked to comply with the court’s rulings.
Why, you ask. Here is how the report in The News explains it:
It is not yet fully clear exactly what will happen because of this ruling, but it is very clear that no matter what happens we are going to keep getting a host of such cases. People will find things on the Internet that they are offended by. While I have never understood why people spend so much time and energy trying to find things that offend them, it is the nature of the Internet that everyone (and I mean, everyone) can find lots of things on it to be offended by. Conspiracy, idioticy, lies, ridicule. Its all there. What you choose to see on the Internet is your choice, not the Internet’s. (Maybe the Honorable Judge Sahib should have booked Mr. Muhammad Sidiq for visiting blasphemous site. Why is his faith so insecure as to be shattered by a website. After all, why is he going around searching for blasphemy!).
It would be too easy, however, to blame the Judge for giving a ‘wrong’ decision. Its too easy for Internet Freedom advocates to seek a reversal of the decision. But the fact of the matter is that the decision is NOT wrong. Under the laws of Pakistan, as written, blasphemy is indeed punishable and such sites should, indeed, be banned. The problem is not the judges or their decisions. The problem is the laws as they are written. And that means that the solutions will not come through the courts, but through society and through legislation.
I hate it when people fail to make the distinction between the government of a country and the people living in it.
'If any particular link with offensive content appears on these websites, the (link) shall be blocked immediately without disturbing the main website,'
That means the content merely has to be sufficiently ubiquitous on these sites that simple economic pressure will force this idiocy to end. I'm all in favor of making religious idiots pick between quitting the idiot act or removing themselves from international relevancy by cutting themselves off the internet.
If they blocked all the internet does it matter to anyone? no then why you are wasting your fucking time? for the same reason they blocking few sites you people doing the same by posting stupid comments about there religion and Prophet. Don't tell me this is your inherent right (free speech) to abuse other people and there beliefs blah blah, I respect your rights as far as it do not hurts other people around you but I'll damn care about your fucking rights if I see it hurts feelings of others. So all we need to respect each other feelings, but... wait to whom I asking this...? to those who kill hundred of thousand innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq for nothing? man i am talking about a human lives which your fucking rulers and there fucking decisions taken away for nothing. Why those folks who are dying to protect there right of free speech do not write something about northern areas of Pakistan where those killed with the drones attacks mostly innocent people including children and women for nothing. Fuck that right when you use it only for hurting people instead of protecting lives.
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Dante placed Mohammed at the lowest circle of hell, and to anybody who isn't a Muslim, that's pretty much the only view of Mohammed that's possible based on his documented conduct: a child molesting, mass-murdering cult leader. Without suppressing all other beliefs, blasphemy against Islam is therefore inevitable. And that's what makes these blasphemy laws and attempts at censorship so dangerous: they are a thinly veiled attempt to force everybody to submit to Islam (at least everybody in Pakistan). If we want to have religious tolerance and freedom, everybody must tolerate blasphemy; the two are inseparable because one person's firmly held religious belief is another person's blasphemy.
You have hit the nail on the head.
However, instead of "youth unemployment", the questions our politicians are trying to dodge are a bit more worrisome:
1: "How is it that a person, who had himself declared clinically insane to dodge Lawsuits, is now our elected President?" (You might gape, but it's true.)
2: "You said our electricity problems would be solved by April, yet we have rolling blackouts (for up to 36 hours in some places!), when will the Govt. solve that?"
3: "Why isn't the Government obeying the Supreme Court and re-opening the Swiss Court cases against the President and his cronies?"
4: "Why are most of our Senators, MNAs and MPAs (National/Provincial level Congressmen) having fake degrees?"
5: "When will we stop having to stand hours in line to get Sugar, Flour and other necessities?" (Incidentally, checkout this vid I made while I was standing in line for Sugar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSTbkO4vyRs)
There are other, equally worrisome, questions, but as you can see, any of these questions, if dug deep, can be used by the (equally corrupt) Opposition Parties to break their already weak Coalition Govt.
So the solution is simple: "Why are you taking out rallies against us, Look, the Danes drew a cartoon/Facebook insulted him/[Insert Diversion Here], go there! Yes, Burn those evil western overloads, (even though they are the ones giving us the loans that we squander to buy our Jets), Burn them!!!"
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Because if Allah is so great how come he couldn't dictate a book that was translatable[1]? Both the Jewish and Christian God managed that much. [1]It's part of Muslim dogma that as the words in the Koran were God's and the arabic they are written is 'perfect' you can't translate them only interpret them (translate meaning to carry over their full meaning into the new language). Apparently Allah isn't omnipotent.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
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Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
They said he was a spy. Perhaps they were just sending a message to his grandfather, a tribal leader.
Any moral relativist who wants to defend this can choke on a stick and die, for all I care.
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I shoot for a bit of blasphemy daily and try never to forget. I am certain that Mohammed was gay and that Allah is a pig. Frankly islam sucks and it is time for the stink butts who follow Mohammed to trash their beliefs and get a real religion. Now please send this to everyone everywhere and lets try to offend these creeps half to death. Maybe if they go into shock they can stop harming women and blowing themselves and others up long enough to take a bath and get the stink of the prophet off of themselves.
So, simply because they put some ban on some sites makes them oppressive regime???
No, not simply because they put a ban on some sites. This is just one of many things that they've done for me and others to label them an oppressive regime. YOU can do better than that.
Stop rambling and try being consistent yourself before accusing others of a lack of consistency. If you are honestly telling me you can't tell the difference between a countries laws which you yourself have said are not optional, and a commercial vendor restricting the way there product is used, I don't know how I can help you.
I have no love of Steve Jobs. I don't buy Apple. The moment he starts murdering people or telling people what they must believe I'll label him exactly the same way (and no suicides in Chinese factories for companies that are contracted to build Apple product don't count, especially when they're at a lower rate than the general population.)
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You seem to miss my point. In order for any particular country's courts to claim jurisdiction for an alleged crime, the crime has to happen within the borders of that country (or, maybe [I'm not sure on this point] in something like an embassy or consulate which is considered part of the sovereign territory of the country, even though outside of its geographic domain).
Unless Pakistan wants to try to convince everyone that they have Jurisdiction over the whole world, they can't really charge you for 'Blasphemy' if you refuse to serve content in their country, and the server is not located in their country, then no crime can be committed in their country.
Although, the problem is, it might only take one missed IP address (like say someone on a computer in an Embassy in France, where your geoIP database decides the IP is not in Pakistan, but the computer is within their legal jurisdiction [maybe, again, not sure], for them to claim jurisdiction again.
Personally, I'd not worry about it, and just make sure to never visit Pakistan, except there's always the risk that maybe someday you are travelling internationally, with no intention to go to Pakistan, but something happens like your airplane getting re-routed to a Pakistani airport, or an airport in some country with an extradition treaty with Pakistan.
So, you either have to make sure that no one can ever post something someone in Pakistan might construe as blasphemy, or never ever ever leave your home country (well, maybe flying between U.S. and Europe, for example, might be safe, but anywhere near Asia and you risk getting dropped into Pakistan against your will.
It isn't just the "religious" that do this. Plenty of "rational reasoning" people do this too. They call it "progressive". And it is as pervasive as the "religious" right is.
If you want liberty, then fight the fight, against group identity politics.
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But if we do have anything that we don't want them to find, this thread is the perfect place to put it.