No, it's because the population is undergoing a massive growth spurt since the Generation X-ers, who were born following an earlier growth spurt, grew up and had children in the early/mid 90s.
Risking their business model is not up for discussion to begin with- I highly, highly doubt FB would do anything to counter this. The site has been blocked in several countries with no meaningful action done by FB to get it unblocked, as that can rope them into a quagmire of politics.
However, I respectfully disagree regarding the impact of even a.5% market segment; the user growth rate is pretty damn high, which adds for more impact beyond the bare number.
16% in just three months? About 64% annually...not a bad growth rate, and one that probably won't slow down until something close to ubiquitous market penetration is achieved (MySpace still holds a fragment of the Saudi social networking market. Go figure), given the demographics of the country.
Not sure if I would call 2.5 million users a minuscule market. A full 10% of the country is subscribed to FB
http://www.internetworldstats.com/middle.htm
And SA is a very, very young country, demographically speaking. The national median age is 21. IIRC the 15-25 age bracket is the most populated one in Saudi.
That said, I highly doubt there will be any pressure going on here; quickly-reversed blocking of websites like FB has happened before. Imageshack and Wikipedia have been blocked for a while, then promptly unblocked.
You want to open this "bigot's" mind? Find me a list of imams who support the United States of America, and the freedoms that we enjoy. I challenge. Put your money where your mouth is.
Sure, allow me.
http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
You'll find in there the statements of some of (if not THE) highest modern Islamic authorities as they condemn terrorism in all its forms.
Actually, no-one said that martyrs are to get 72 virgins either. If you go to the root of the myth, its origin is a VERY weakly sourced saying attributed to Muhammad via a chain of half a dozen narrators.
And what is said was that the person who got the smallest reward in heaven would get, among a lot of other things, 72 Houri (the word sometimes translated as Virgins, but almost certainly refers to non-human creatures of divine beauty, etc). Keep in mind that this isn't supposed to be what was promised to martyrs, but to those who were able to stop themselves from being such assholes to other people that they barely didn't get tossed into hell.
Joe Kucan's brilliant yet over-the-top acting practically makes the Tiberian series for me. His personality in real life is pretty fun too, judging by the interviews I've seen.
"It would be a sad error in judgment, General Solomon, to mistake me for a corpse."
I've been using it for the better part of the past two weeks. And I'm pretty satisfied with the service. Although I live in Saudi Arabia, which is...a bit far from Oregon.
I pay about $190 for a six-month subscription at 2 megabit. ~$30 a month. 2 megabit is the maximum speed they offer, but it's not bad at all- only slightly more expensive than ADSL (which goes all the way up to 20mbit, but costs an arm and a leg at that tier), and I get a ~150ms ping on US servers. More than adaquate for gaming.
Thing is, the service has been trumpeted out for eons now. Well, since 2004 or so at least. I had long given up on practical residential WiMAX as vaporware, until earlier this year when the service was rolled out in earnest.
Discrimination = Bad news. When honest people are forced out of honest jobs because of petty race or ancestry issues, they invariably turn either to immigration or the underworld.
Thing is, this might be creating an excuse for those carrying a prejudice against Burakumin; "Marry our daughter? Hell no. Er, no, of course it's not because you're Burakumin, we're progressive like that. It's just that your family might have Yakuza links! Yeah, that's it, honest."
The MotionPlus if fine and dandy (Though only grudgingly accepted by me since I think the original Wiimote should have been more accurate to begin with), but why not build a WiimotePlus? In other words, same Wiimote form factor, MotionPlus accuracy. Maybe some cosmetic change to differentiate it from the normal Wiimote, too.
Pardon my coarseness, but where the HELL have you ever read about Zombie Hymens?! That's just freaky.
And yes, sexual reward does indeed factor into the equation. It's not paramount, but it's a factor. Think about the early days of the spread of Islam; what do you think that half-illiterate pagan warrior tribes would have found more appealing in exchange for adopting a strict moral system that seriously cramped their hedonistic style; the promise of salvation, and the notion of the general benefit to mankind of them not being assholes, or the promise of poontang and luxury in the hereafter?
I can proudly say that yes, things have changed a good deal since then. Since that particular incident the religious police have been getting a lot of heat from certain facets of the press, and from bloggers most of all. No one is ever going to let that incident die down.
It's not quite a full about-face yet, but things are changing as time goes by. Slowly, but surely. The popularity of the religious police has been on the downturn ever since. Before that incident, smaller affronts made by them were swept under the rug. Now, anything negative they do is blown wide open. And they've become acutely aware of it.
These folks are largely the backlash that resulted from a certain incident in the late 1970s...that's out of the scope of this post, but I can tell you that I don't see them around for another 30 years.
And no, in fact, it doesn't. At least not for martyrs. Even the shaky Hadith I spoke of earlier specifically promised that those who will have 72 Houri in heaven are those who got the LEAST reward in the afterlife. In other words, those who have barely stopped themselves from being utter assholes in THIS life.
The Houri? Often simplistically translated simply as virgins, usually, but it doesn't necessarily mean that. As far as anyone can gather, it refers to otherworldly creatures altogether, ones described as having ethereal beauty and purity. Possibly the form that humans are said to be reborn as. "Purity" possibly being the point of mistranslation, since in archaic contexts it's occasionally used interchangeably with virginity.
Actually, the virgins thing is a bit of a misconception of sorts. It's based on a very unreliable quotation of Muhammad (Hadith) passed around via a chain of narrators as long as your arm before it was written down.
Back on topic, that DOES appear to be the goal of this venture I guess, in a social equivalent of the Security By Obscurity model, but it's kind of futile. Extremist sites may change the religious/political orientation of someone impressionable, but the actual "terrorist trigger" is usually a meme passed on IRL by friends or family. It's much harder to pass online, methinks.
Hell, over here a localized War On Terror has been going on since 2003 after a rather large terrorist attack in Riyadh, and what did the government do? go for the watering holes. Summer camps, publications, clamped down on hardline clerics, and yes, a few websites. But they weren't the first point of connection.
Problem is, the mainstream Muslims aren't the ones that need to be targeted, but the high-risk volatile ones. The rest of us don't feel anything about the west more than either some admiration on the liberal-side of the political spectrum, or some casual antipathy on the religious/conservative side of politics.
I live in Saudi Arabia. Which doesn't seem to have much of a global image as being progressive these days, and I can still tell you that most grad students these days want to study either in Canada or the US, followed by the UK and Australia (English in highschool is mandatory...hence the destinations of choice being all English-speaking countries).
No, I don't disagree on this particular point*, I explained elsewhere why I think her age was mostly appropriate given the life expectancy of the time, but the view of Sahih alBukhari being occasionally unreliable is AFAIK universally accepted among Sunni Islamic scholars. Though it's still reliable enough to be an invaluable resources for them, as long as each Hadith is examined and corroborated.
*(full disclosure; IIRC some Shia sources cite something about an old Arabic convention on ages, regarding dropping the first digit of the age, so 16 and 19 turns to 6 and 9, though that explanation sounds rather flaky to me. I'm going to double check on that and possibly return to this point later)
Actually, it's not just Shi'as that think that Sahih alBukhari is far from perfect. Even us Sunnis recognize that it has a few gaping holes in the form of a few Hadiths that are verifiable as faulty.
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The modern global life expectancy average being 66 years old, and the modern age of consent being 18 (more often variable but less; but for the sake of the argument), let's half that life expectancy to ~33 years old. It stands to reason that in order to maintain a sustainable rate of reproduction, you'd have to half the marriageable age too, non?
So eighteen becomes....nine.
Life expectancies is what people always forget about when discussing the issue of his marriage to Aisha.
Well, if I didn't already post, I'd most you +1: My new, hospitable, non-Muslim underling.
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Mohammad married Aisha it order to cement an alliance with her father Abu Bakr. At that point in time, he needed every shred of support he could get, and marriage was the method of choice in Arabia in those days. Why else would he marry her if he were to wait for so long before consummating the marriage?
Plus, in modern times we have arbitrarily set the age where it's suddenly acceptable to have sex at 18 (in most countries), and STILL made it taboo for there being a large age difference between sexual partners even when they're all of age. Not so in ancient times. When death, famine and plagues were a common occurrence, people fell back on a simpler method of divining what age people should be able to marry at; Biology. Whenever they hit puberty. In other words, Mohammad married Aisha when she became of age, not sooner, not later.
Hell, furthering my point, the age gulf between Mohammad and his first wife, Khadijah (known as 'the second Muslim' after Mohammad himself, died a few years before he married Aisha) was fifteen years, she was in her forties and him in his early twenties. And he married her years before he became a prophet.
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And then they came for the Anime fans, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't an Otaku;
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No, it's because the population is undergoing a massive growth spurt since the Generation X-ers, who were born following an earlier growth spurt, grew up and had children in the early/mid 90s.
That is....shockingly incisive. Mod parent up.
Risking their business model is not up for discussion to begin with- I highly, highly doubt FB would do anything to counter this. The site has been blocked in several countries with no meaningful action done by FB to get it unblocked, as that can rope them into a quagmire of politics.
.5% market segment; the user growth rate is pretty damn high, which adds for more impact beyond the bare number.
However, I respectfully disagree regarding the impact of even a
http://www.insidefacebook.com/2010/09/14/facebook-grows-in-egypt-morocco-saudi-arabia-but-faces-challenges-ahead/
16% in just three months? About 64% annually...not a bad growth rate, and one that probably won't slow down until something close to ubiquitous market penetration is achieved (MySpace still holds a fragment of the Saudi social networking market. Go figure), given the demographics of the country.
Not sure if I would call 2.5 million users a minuscule market. A full 10% of the country is subscribed to FB
http://www.internetworldstats.com/middle.htm
And SA is a very, very young country, demographically speaking. The national median age is 21. IIRC the 15-25 age bracket is the most populated one in Saudi.
That said, I highly doubt there will be any pressure going on here; quickly-reversed blocking of websites like FB has happened before. Imageshack and Wikipedia have been blocked for a while, then promptly unblocked.
Doubt it. It wasn't blocked in SA when the much, MUICH more publicized draw mohammed day was going on.
You want to open this "bigot's" mind? Find me a list of imams who support the United States of America, and the freedoms that we enjoy. I challenge. Put your money where your mouth is.
Sure, allow me.
http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
You'll find in there the statements of some of (if not THE) highest modern Islamic authorities as they condemn terrorism in all its forms.
You want to open this "bigot's" mind? Find me a list of imams who support the United States of America, and the freedoms that we enjoy.
Sure, allow me.
http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
You'll find in there the statements of some of (if not THE) highest modern Islamic authorities as they condemn terrorism in all its forms.
You mistake the urging to be willingly civil for the abridgment of your rights.
Actually, no-one said that martyrs are to get 72 virgins either. If you go to the root of the myth, its origin is a VERY weakly sourced saying attributed to Muhammad via a chain of half a dozen narrators.
And what is said was that the person who got the smallest reward in heaven would get, among a lot of other things, 72 Houri (the word sometimes translated as Virgins, but almost certainly refers to non-human creatures of divine beauty, etc). Keep in mind that this isn't supposed to be what was promised to martyrs, but to those who were able to stop themselves from being such assholes to other people that they barely didn't get tossed into hell.
Joe Kucan's brilliant yet over-the-top acting practically makes the Tiberian series for me. His personality in real life is pretty fun too, judging by the interviews I've seen.
"It would be a sad error in judgment, General Solomon, to mistake me for a corpse."
I've been using it for the better part of the past two weeks. And I'm pretty satisfied with the service. Although I live in Saudi Arabia, which is...a bit far from Oregon.
I pay about $190 for a six-month subscription at 2 megabit. ~$30 a month. 2 megabit is the maximum speed they offer, but it's not bad at all- only slightly more expensive than ADSL (which goes all the way up to 20mbit, but costs an arm and a leg at that tier), and I get a ~150ms ping on US servers. More than adaquate for gaming.
Thing is, the service has been trumpeted out for eons now. Well, since 2004 or so at least. I had long given up on practical residential WiMAX as vaporware, until earlier this year when the service was rolled out in earnest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#Burakumin
Discrimination = Bad news. When honest people are forced out of honest jobs because of petty race or ancestry issues, they invariably turn either to immigration or the underworld.
Thing is, this might be creating an excuse for those carrying a prejudice against Burakumin; "Marry our daughter? Hell no. Er, no, of course it's not because you're Burakumin, we're progressive like that. It's just that your family might have Yakuza links! Yeah, that's it, honest."
The MotionPlus if fine and dandy (Though only grudgingly accepted by me since I think the original Wiimote should have been more accurate to begin with), but why not build a WiimotePlus? In other words, same Wiimote form factor, MotionPlus accuracy. Maybe some cosmetic change to differentiate it from the normal Wiimote, too.
*Wakes up, brushes teeth*
*Makes coffee*
*Check Slashdot, reads about steel-cutting bacon swords*
I see. Apparently I did not, in fact, adequately complete the first step in my regular morning routine. That is, waking up.
Pardon my coarseness, but where the HELL have you ever read about Zombie Hymens?! That's just freaky.
And yes, sexual reward does indeed factor into the equation. It's not paramount, but it's a factor. Think about the early days of the spread of Islam; what do you think that half-illiterate pagan warrior tribes would have found more appealing in exchange for adopting a strict moral system that seriously cramped their hedonistic style; the promise of salvation, and the notion of the general benefit to mankind of them not being assholes, or the promise of poontang and luxury in the hereafter?
I can proudly say that yes, things have changed a good deal since then. Since that particular incident the religious police have been getting a lot of heat from certain facets of the press, and from bloggers most of all. No one is ever going to let that incident die down.
It's not quite a full about-face yet, but things are changing as time goes by. Slowly, but surely. The popularity of the religious police has been on the downturn ever since. Before that incident, smaller affronts made by them were swept under the rug. Now, anything negative they do is blown wide open. And they've become acutely aware of it.
These folks are largely the backlash that resulted from a certain incident in the late 1970s...that's out of the scope of this post, but I can tell you that I don't see them around for another 30 years.
Homophobic much?
And no, in fact, it doesn't. At least not for martyrs. Even the shaky Hadith I spoke of earlier specifically promised that those who will have 72 Houri in heaven are those who got the LEAST reward in the afterlife. In other words, those who have barely stopped themselves from being utter assholes in THIS life.
The Houri? Often simplistically translated simply as virgins, usually, but it doesn't necessarily mean that. As far as anyone can gather, it refers to otherworldly creatures altogether, ones described as having ethereal beauty and purity. Possibly the form that humans are said to be reborn as. "Purity" possibly being the point of mistranslation, since in archaic contexts it's occasionally used interchangeably with virginity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri
Actually, the virgins thing is a bit of a misconception of sorts. It's based on a very unreliable quotation of Muhammad (Hadith) passed around via a chain of narrators as long as your arm before it was written down.
Back on topic, that DOES appear to be the goal of this venture I guess, in a social equivalent of the Security By Obscurity model, but it's kind of futile. Extremist sites may change the religious/political orientation of someone impressionable, but the actual "terrorist trigger" is usually a meme passed on IRL by friends or family. It's much harder to pass online, methinks.
Hell, over here a localized War On Terror has been going on since 2003 after a rather large terrorist attack in Riyadh, and what did the government do? go for the watering holes. Summer camps, publications, clamped down on hardline clerics, and yes, a few websites. But they weren't the first point of connection.
Problem is, the mainstream Muslims aren't the ones that need to be targeted, but the high-risk volatile ones. The rest of us don't feel anything about the west more than either some admiration on the liberal-side of the political spectrum, or some casual antipathy on the religious/conservative side of politics.
I live in Saudi Arabia. Which doesn't seem to have much of a global image as being progressive these days, and I can still tell you that most grad students these days want to study either in Canada or the US, followed by the UK and Australia (English in highschool is mandatory...hence the destinations of choice being all English-speaking countries).
No, I don't disagree on this particular point*, I explained elsewhere why I think her age was mostly appropriate given the life expectancy of the time, but the view of Sahih alBukhari being occasionally unreliable is AFAIK universally accepted among Sunni Islamic scholars. Though it's still reliable enough to be an invaluable resources for them, as long as each Hadith is examined and corroborated.
*(full disclosure; IIRC some Shia sources cite something about an old Arabic convention on ages, regarding dropping the first digit of the age, so 16 and 19 turns to 6 and 9, though that explanation sounds rather flaky to me. I'm going to double check on that and possibly return to this point later)
Actually, it's not just Shi'as that think that Sahih alBukhari is far from perfect. Even us Sunnis recognize that it has a few gaping holes in the form of a few Hadiths that are verifiable as faulty.
40-50? Not even that. ~35 or a little more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age-adjusted_life_expectancy#Variation_over_time
The modern global life expectancy average being 66 years old, and the modern age of consent being 18 (more often variable but less; but for the sake of the argument), let's half that life expectancy to ~33 years old. It stands to reason that in order to maintain a sustainable rate of reproduction, you'd have to half the marriageable age too, non?
So eighteen becomes....nine.
Life expectancies is what people always forget about when discussing the issue of his marriage to Aisha.
Well, if I didn't already post, I'd most you +1: My new, hospitable, non-Muslim underling.
Mohammad married Aisha it order to cement an alliance with her father Abu Bakr. At that point in time, he needed every shred of support he could get, and marriage was the method of choice in Arabia in those days. Why else would he marry her if he were to wait for so long before consummating the marriage?
Plus, in modern times we have arbitrarily set the age where it's suddenly acceptable to have sex at 18 (in most countries), and STILL made it taboo for there being a large age difference between sexual partners even when they're all of age. Not so in ancient times. When death, famine and plagues were a common occurrence, people fell back on a simpler method of divining what age people should be able to marry at; Biology. Whenever they hit puberty. In other words, Mohammad married Aisha when she became of age, not sooner, not later.
Hell, furthering my point, the age gulf between Mohammad and his first wife, Khadijah (known as 'the second Muslim' after Mohammad himself, died a few years before he married Aisha) was fifteen years, she was in her forties and him in his early twenties. And he married her years before he became a prophet.
In Germany, they came first for the Gamers, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Gamer; And then they came for the Anime fans, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't an Otaku; And then they came for the Musicians, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Musician; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.