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Porn Industry Ready To Drop Flash

An anonymous reader writes "Here's an interesting new angle to the ongoing Flash-HTML5 debate. Digital Playground, one of the major adult film studios, said it would drop Flash today if all browsers were HTML5-ready (*cough*, IE8, *cough*). The company's founder said, 'Flash brings everything to a crawl and has an impact on battery life. With HTML5, there is no reason to show our content in Flash.' Digital Playground also indicated that it does not expect 3-D to gain mass acceptance any time soon."

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  1. Obligatory by JustinRLynn · · Score: 4, Funny

    [insert stupid flash pun]

    1. Re:Obligatory by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      "We're boned." - Adobe's CEO

    2. Re:Obligatory by Snaller · · Score: 4, Funny

      Insert where?

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  2. never gonna work by wjh31 · · Score: 4, Funny

    untill you can get all workplaces to upgrade their browsers, the porn industry is never gonna drop flash

    1. Re:never gonna work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think you have it the other way around ... porn has driven tech industry and consumer electronics for a very long time. No other vendor has the power that PORN does , if porn industry unilaterally decided tomorrow to adopt HTML5 .. in very short time, every computer on the planet would have upgraded their browser. period.

       

    2. Re:never gonna work by daremonai · · Score: 5, Funny

      We're aware of that, Senator.

    3. Re:never gonna work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      the porn industry caters to workplace browsers?

      Believe it or not, there are workplaces (like mine) where the porn industry is a large part of our business...

      Get back to work regulating oil drilling, fucker.

    4. Re:never gonna work by Omegium · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. The porn factor is an urban legend. The real reason was that VHS had two hour tapes, and betamax one hour. People choose the ability to record complete sport matches over picture quality.

    5. Re:never gonna work by bonch · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a popular meme with no factual basis. It began with the claim that the porn industry chose VHS over Betamax and that's why Betamax lost, but that is not the reason it lost. People just like to repeat this because it sounds ironic and amusing to explain to people that some taboo industry is the driver of technology, but the truth is that there is no historical basis to make that claim.

    6. Re:never gonna work by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Funny
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    7. Re:never gonna work by Lucidus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People have somehow become confused about this over the past three decades. The correct and verifiable historical claim is that porn drove rapid initial adoption of video recorders in general. Porn has been a major factor in the introduction and acceptance of a number of technologies.

    8. Re:never gonna work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No factual basis? The porn industry did not choose VHS. Sony banned porn on Betamax. This is a known fact, and they almost did the same thing with Blu-Ray. If you think porn was not a factor, then obviously you never saw those walled off areas in just about every video rental store in the 1980s. Rows apon rows of VHS porn, and not a beta tape in sight!

      Sony on Betamax:
      http://www.mediacollege.com/video/format/compare/betamax-vhs.html

      Sony on Blu-ray:
      http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197000093
      (This one is called "Sony denies preventing porn on Blu-Ray". Uh huh, just like they denied putting rootkits on PCs.)

    9. Re:never gonna work by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can I get a job there? I'm sure I'd enjoy the work.

      But seriously, I wish people would stop overestimating porn's influence. Its annual revenue is less than 1% of total internet revenue. Its perceived impact on the world (or technology) is no more real than a 12 inch long penis, or the "18 year old" models that are actually 27.

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    10. Re:never gonna work by Vancorps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The reality is that you have come to your conclusion based on something other than reality. Further reality is that porn producers online were some of the first people to introduce social media and pioneered true network security. Geeks like their porn and have found thousands of ways to distribute it and secure it with many different business models driving it's success. The very first websites online that made profit were porn sites.

      The meme didn't come out of nowhere, it is based in reality. While the porn industry doesn't have control over the development of technology they do act as a good guide for what technology will actually get deployed. Hollywood was having lots of problems going HD due to blemishes showing up that couldn't be easily airbrushed like in print media. It was the porn industry that solved the problem and propelled HD into a true platform. The industry was forced at first to adopt HD-DVD but now license restrictions from Sony have been lifted and BD production is in full swing.

      I think you are hard pressed to paint the porn industry as anti-technology as that is simply completely utterly not the case. It's a bit like trying to argue that water isn't wet. They didn't hold off HD because they didn't like the platform, they embraced it fully actually and had to wait until they could solve the problems like anyone else that went HD had to do. Even in my industry which is auctions we ran into a lot of problems going HD that held us back for a few years. We're in no way shape or form anti-technology, we just believe that the technology we deploy should help us do our jobs better and reach more people. When the technology matured enough to become beneficial we went and adopted it.

  3. Apple by hazmat2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    READ: "We realise the iPhone market is massive and we want iPr0n portable"

    1. Re:Apple by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 4, Funny

      The iPad is a HORRIBLE porn viewing device. There's no easy way to set it down to view hands-free and if you're holding it... well... let's just say it's slippery enough as it is without any fluids involved.

  4. The Porn Industry is never wrong... by Pyrus.mg · · Score: 5, Funny

    So Flash really is almost dead and 3D really is a just gimmick. Now this doesn't seem like such a shitty Monday.

    1. Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      On the plus side, the 3D glasses do keep you from getting stuff in your eyes!

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  5. No 3d? by Talderas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would 3D gain faster acceptance? Who wouldn't want tits to basically jump out of your screen and nearly hit you in the face?

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    1. Re:No 3d? by ProppaT · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not the boobs we're worried about...

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    2. Re:No 3d? by SolemnDwarf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why would 3D gain faster acceptance? Who wouldn't want tits to basically jump out of your screen and nearly hit you in the face?

      I'm already going blind. I don't need a migraine to go with it.

    3. Re:No 3d? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      As someone who has actually seen a 3-d porn movie (in the theater, no less), let me assure that 3-d "money shots" are REALLY NOT something you want to experience.

    4. Re:No 3d? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For tits, yeah, that'd be great. But there are often also dicks.

      You're over thinking it. From now on all 3D porn is limited to lesbian orgies, I think everyone can agree on that.

    5. Re:No 3d? by luder · · Score: 3, Funny

      You crazy? Some people already got pregnant because of 3D porn! Won't you think of the children?! So much for abstinence...

  6. Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? by Superken7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, everyone seems to be ready to drop flash for video playback, but what codec will their videos be encoded with?
    As it stands today:
    - Use h264 and all firefox users will be left off
    - use theora and almost everyone will be left off
    - use VP8 and most browsers won't support it
    - use X and Y browser will not support it.

    use flash and... 99% browsers will support it. Having said that, I hate flash, but I guess the world is not ready for HTML5 just yet, mainly because of the codecs issue.

    Lets hope VP8 is a success! :-)

    1. Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? by ahankinson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Easy. Use h264, with a fallback to using a Flash player to play the same MP4 file. Firefox will be the only browser that will fall back to Flash, while all the others will present theirs in h264.

    2. Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Funny

      You will be able to install a third party theora codec for ie. You will presumably be able to get a firefox plugin for h.264. Chrome supports both. Opera users can install a different browser.

  7. One has to wonder by cognoscentus · · Score: 4, Funny

    What the batteries are for...?

  8. I thought I heard Jobs say... by tomcode · · Score: 5, Funny

    That the iPad would revolutionize online porn as we know it.

    Also, it wipes clean with a damp cloth.

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  9. One guy says... by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikipedia says this company is pretty influential in the porn industry, though not the only player. I suppose it's sort-of interesting to hear what he thinks. Though there's no real meat to the article, it's almost like an anti-Flash astro-turf.

    I think all content producers are generally looking forward to moving to HTML5 video. That doesn't mean that Flash is dead. It could potentially mean that in 3-5 years Flash will not be used for video. Right now, Flash is pretty much the only option. In a year or two, HTML5 video will be a reasonable competitor. After that, well I guess it's up to Adobe to figure out ways of making their product more appealing than the baseline (which is HTML5). But they have a dominant position now, support of major players, and seem committed to improving their product. It's hard to discount them on the word of one porn producer.

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    1. Re:One guy says... by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think all content producers are generally looking forward to moving to HTML5 video.

      Without DRM, most content producers arent even entertaining the thought.

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  10. Fortunately by spamuell · · Score: 5, Funny

    the two minutes of battery life that my N900 can run flash for have so far proven sufficient.

  11. ..Nonsense by Archon-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, this is just nonsese.

    1. Digital Playground are nobodies in the online porn market. Yes, they produce a lot of content, but it's all for the DVD market.
    2. One studio saying something isn't representative of an entire industry. It's actually called a 'Press Release'
    3. The vast majority of adult sites allow you to pick your poison in terms of video. Streaming is normally done via flash [.x/h264 mp4 being the norm], and allowing downloads in AVI/DivX/WMV/MPEG formats.
    4. What porn does provide is a solid statistics cross-section of internet users - and from the figures I see, flash usage is 96% or higher. The vast majority of purchasing users aren't high tech, they don't use noscript, they don't think flash is evil.
    5. Porn (and any commercial) sites aim to make their sites as available to as many people as possible. Forcing users to upgrade browsers, attempting to change browsing habits, etc, is only going to lower the bottom line.

  12. And if my aunt had a dick she'd by my uncle... by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work in the Adult Industry on a Content Management System for paysites. We just demonstrated support for the iPad at the recent Xbiz show using H.264.

    It's fine and dandy that one company has proclaimed that they'd get rid of Flash given the chance. That doesn't say much for the rest of the industry, now, does it?

    I know there are a lot of Open Source Advocates on Slashdot, but let's face it: Paysite operators are in the game to maximize their profits. This is done by:

    a) Reaching as many people and devices as possible.
    b) Decreasing bandwidth
    c) Minimizing disk space and hardware.

    They don't care about the war between WebM and H.264. They only care about having their sites work with as many people as possible. In this case, HTML5 brings iPad support to their sites.

    The problem here ultimately is that the codec war with HTML5 is still undecided. If you're going to use HTML5's video element exclusively, you're going to end up being FORCED to use two formats of video for all the browsers - one for WebM and one for H.264.

    That's all well and good, but multiple formats takes up space. Granted a lot of pay sites offer multiple download options like WMV, DivX and Quicktime, but when it comes to watching a full movie in a browser, only one format is needed here - H.264. Let the browsers that support H.264 use the video tag. Let browsers that don't use a Flash player backup.

    This still won't change after WebM has support within Flash because of the iPhone and iPad. As the mobile arena heats up, WebM will start to appear lacking without Apple support. Even though the iPhone is a small percentage of the total phone market, it says a lot when the CEO has one and wants his websites to work on it.

    So in sum - flash isn't going anywhere. It will remain as a backup player for 5 years mininum.

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  13. Re:iPad ready porn by nyctopterus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looking at it the other way, Flash SWFs import the very same h.264 file that you can serve raw. Adding h.264 support is as easy as serving up the file you already had without the Flash wrapper. It's a no-brainer.

  14. Re:Porn Industry Ready To Drop Flesh by sleeping143 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't care if I sound like a troll: Fuck Avatar.