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Apple Hires Antenna Engineers. Really.

kangsterizer writes "Sometimes, news items are just about a good laugh. You may or may not like Apple, but the way it has been handling its antenna issue has been like a small tech soap opera — Steve Jobs, the CEO, saying 'not to hold the phone that way,' rumors of software issues, and the latest but most crunchy part, since the antenna issue has been widely discovered, on 23 June, several 'antenna engineer' positions opened up at Apple. Seems someone got fired: Antenna engineer job position 1, Antenna engineer job position 2, Antenna engineer job position 3." I just figure they did all their testing in California, where AT&T dropping calls is as common as $4 coffees.

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  1. Re:Messed up links by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    "If you experience problems with links sending you to the wrong URLs, just don't click on them that way." -Steve Jobs, paraphrased

  2. AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 5, Informative

    From a memo to AppleCare reps:

    Exact procedures AppleCare reps must follow when dealing with any reception complaints regarding the iPhone 4.:

    1. Keep all of the positioning statements in the BN handy – your tone when delivering this information is important.

    a. The iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. Our testing shows that iPhone 4’s overall antenna performance is better than iPhone 3GS.

    b. Gripping almost any mobile phone in certain places will reduce its reception. This is true of the iPhone 4, the iPhone 3GS, and many other phones we have tested. It is a fact of life in the wireless world.

    c. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 3GS, avoid covering the bottom-right side with your hand.

    d. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 4, avoid covering the black strip in the lower-left corner of the metal band.

    e. The use of a case or Bumper that is made out of rubber or plastic may improve wireless performance by keeping your hand from directly covering these areas.

    2. Do not perform warranty service. Use the positioning above for any customer questions or concerns.

    3. Don’t forget YOU STILL NEED to probe and troubleshoot. If a customer calls about their reception while the phone is sitting on a table (not being held) it is not the metal band.

    4. ONLY escalate if the issue exists when the phone is not held AND you cannot resolve it.

    5. We ARE NOT appeasing customers with free bumpers – DON’T promise a free bumper to customers.

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    1. Re:AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the Customer Handbook:

      1. So you say there is a problem if I hold the phone the wrong way? (wait for response). Please show me the correct way.

      2. That seems very impractical and uncomfortable. I'm liable to get hand cramps. Is it true you have a rubber bumper that will fix the problem?

      3. Well since we've established the phone is defective, and this rubber bumper fixes the problem, then it should be free. So I'll give you a choice: Either give me a full refund for my phone, or fix the problem at no charge. Pick one. Or else I and a million other customers will drag you into court, and make your life a living hell.

      4. Remember:

      There's no excuse for corporations to Steal money from customers with inferior or defective products. The customer is not always right, but in most cases the Consumer Protection Laws are on your side. Previous corporations that challenged the U.S. Government typically lost, and the customers received refunds or free fixes.

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    2. Re:AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      P.S. This will probably get me modded down, but I don't care. Robin Hood helped the poor by taking-back what the rich had stolen from them. I consider this to be the same deal. (Especially since Apple received a taxpayer bailout - they stole that money IMHO.)

      - Buy rubber bumper.
      - Install on iPhone to fix its defect.
      - Return empty envelopes with tracking number.
      - Wait two months.
      - Call credit card company to explain that you returned the rubber bumper, and would like to be refunded the money. Provide tracking number.

      Apple owes every customer a free fix for their defective phone.

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    3. Re:AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, isn't this credit card fraud?

      I suppose, if you had to pick *any* industry or group of companies larger than Apple to piss off, that would be a good one. However, I don't think it will end well for you if you give it a try.

    4. Re:AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by epiphani · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, because committing fraud is a reasonable response. How about you just return the damn phone.

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    5. Re:AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by Afell001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Germany is one of those strange European countries that actually has (gasp) laws to limit bad labor practices. If your boss wants you to work overtime, even if you work just one hour overtime, you are allowed to take the next work shift off PAID in addition to the overtime pay you receive. You have 24 days of vacation in a given year (one month with weekends). If you don't take your vacation, and November rolls around, you HAVE to take the entire month of December off. Some employers are allowed to apply for special dispensation, but the regional government labor board is usually very loathe to grant such dispensations lest they start a trend. In the US, you are lucky if you get 2 weeks paid vacation, and your employer can cancel your vacation on a whim (as has happened to me on several occasions) and you have no government labor board to take your complaint to when this happens. In fact, if you were to take this up with any government entity, they would probably laugh you out of the office, while in Germany, this can be a very serious offense and can end up with the company being sanctioned and having to pay a hefty fine.

      A lot of these practices are used to make working your employees overtime more expensive than it is to actually hire new employee. This makes a lot of sense when you consider that most of Europe is combating a high unemployment rate, and the best way to get to full employment is to create more jobs. That Germany is still near the top in individual worker productivity speaks volumes about German work ethics. They are able to get as much done in a standard 7 hour day/35 hour week as most Americans do in 8 hour day/40 hour week.

      What is also really strange is that the cost to hire a new worker in Germany is not nearly as expensive as it is in the US. For instance, in the US, if you hire on a new full time employee, you have to pay his/her benefits (health, dental), while in Germany, most of these are already covered under the universal health system paid for by the German taxpayers.

      As to the original topic, it stands to reason that the best solution for Apple at this point is to offer a free bumper rim to all their affected customers. If they purchase it in volume, the cost is minimal, and they can tell their customers to go to the nearest Apple Store to pick one up for free. It goes a long way to placating customer relations as well as bringing those customers back into the Apple Store, where, more than likely, these people will also probably purchase one or two additional retail items, so Apple wins all the way around. If they offer it in fruity colors, all the better.

    6. Re:AppleCare memo on how to mislead users... by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>Your fault for not keeping copies of your timecards.

      No not my fault. A woman does not deserve to be raped just because she wore a skimpy black dress, and neither did I deserve to be unpaid just because I didn't print my timecard. Don't blame the victim when it is the criminal/corporation that is at fault.

      Besides I couldn't print the cards since no such function existed. (Even the prnt scrn button did nothing.)

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  3. Equal Opportunities? by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...must be left-handed

  4. Re:The funny part is, it's still better than Andro by WilyCoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OP have you ever used an Android phone? The platform is maturing extremely fast. I just switched from an iPhone 3g to an Evo 4g and I don't have regrets. The features of the iPhone 4 just didn't impress me enough. Plus, once I got an android I realized how much the iPhone was stifling my inner geek. I've loaded custom roms, overclocked, rooted, everything...It has been a lot of fun and I recommend android to any geek I know. And if you're not a geek, I still recommend it.

    Ok, I do have ONE regret about my switch: a unified mailbox. There's probably one in the android market...hmmm brb!

  5. Reading into it? by _merlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someone got fired, or they just realised that you can't expect it to work properly if you don't hire experts. Reminds me of all the issues with noise in the G5 towers getting onto the supply rails and then into the audio I/O and Firewire power that lead to them hiring analog electronics experts to fix it. When I first read that the stainless steel surround was an antenna, I predicted these kinds of problems - you can't expect an antenna to maintain tuning while allowing a meatbag to touch it, especially when you need to be able to tune several microwave bands from hundreds of MHz to GHz. The laws of physics are against you, and any engineer should be able to point that out. Other handsets have issues where your hand can obstruct the signal, but the iPhone 4 is unique in allowing you to place things in galvanic contact with the antenna, which has a far bigger effect on its RF performance.

    1. Re:Reading into it? by random+coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So how likely was it that someone in marketing thought it would be "cool design" to have a visible antenna on the outside of the unit?

    2. Re:Reading into it? by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean like Steve Jobs? Very likely.

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    3. Re:Reading into it? by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You have metal around the case to bring the front and back pieces together. Why not make that piece of metal useful?

      Sounds like reasonable engineering to me, except for the fact that it ended up introducing a new problem.

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    4. Re:Reading into it? by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because that piece of metal is only useful as an antenna when someone's not grabbing hold of it. Even close counts when it comes to RF (try walking around an FM radio with marginal reception), but grabbing the thing with your hand is going to *wreck* it. Apparently Steve wanted too much for it to look like a Leica camera (whose stainless steel bodies were, surprisingly, *not* doubling as antennas) and too little for it to work in every possible situation (like being held by a sweaty person.)

      This is only reasonable engineering if function follows form. I try not to bash apple, I really do, but in this case it's painfully obvious what they are after when they "engineered" this thing.

  6. Probably not antenna designers' fault by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somehow I doubt it was the idea of an antenna designer to put it on the outside where one would hold it. Anyone with any antenna theory knowledge at all knows that your gain would then be changed easily based on how it was held by a conductor (eg, you)

    The only think you could blame the antenna engineer for is not properly stating what a bad idea it is.
    Heck, it's entirely possible they didn't have any antenna engineers and now realize that's probably idea for a product masquerading as a phone.

    1. Re:Probably not antenna designers' fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I hope they at least compensated for the capacitance of the human hand touching the antenna by using a varicap circuit to tune the antenna. (You use a longer-than-ideal antenna, add capacitance to compensate, then back off the capacitance if you determine that it's too high because somebody is touching the antenna.) I'd expect them to have something like that anyway because it's impossible to build an ideal antenna for such a broad range of frequencies.

      If they have a *software-controlled* varicap, they might be able to fix the entire problem in software by just pushing the capacitance higher when they determine that a human hand is bridging the antennas. So a software update might be possible if they have a good way to test the capacitance on the antenna with the existing hardware (or I suppose they could just watch for a sudden drop in signal strength and try adjusting up, see if it helps, then try adjusting down if it made things worse).

    2. Re:Probably not antenna designers' fault by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only think you could blame the antenna engineer for is not properly stating what a bad idea it is.

      They did. They were ignored because form is more important then function (this is Apple remember). The product then launched. The engineers were then overheard saying "we told you so" in the halls one day. And now there are 3 positions that recently became available.

    3. Re:Probably not antenna designers' fault by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

      (or I suppose they could just watch for a sudden drop in signal strength and try adjusting up, see if it helps, then try adjusting down if it made things worse).

      auto antenna tuners exist. There is no need to guess by trial and error. Simply measuring the antenna current and comparing the phase of the current will tell you the tuning direction needed. When the current is in phase with the voltage, the antenna load is resistive (in tune). When the current leads the voltage, the antenna is capacitive and needs less capacitance (tuned higher in frequency) and vise versa.

      Unfortunately, auto tuners for microwave frequencies are difficult to design due to the very short mechanical dimensions of the parts. Voltage tuned capacitors (diodes) are common in VHF and UHF, but not as common in microwave applications for tuning antennas due to their limited tuning range. A hand contacting a microwave antenna can tune it much further than the corrective auto tunning can correct it in most applications. Even if tuned to resonance, the new tuning to correct for the hand contact will still not have the impedance change corrected. Energy absorbed by microwave heating of the hand is energy not received or transmitted by the phone. Tuning is only part of the problem.

      Attenuation is a real problem at these frequencies. To demonstrate this, simply tape an orange near the LNB in a satellite antenna in the path of the feedhorn. Without de-tuning the feedhorn cavity, the huge loss in signal strength by absorption can be seen as a total loss of reception. Try placing your hand over the feedhorn while setting up your satellite TV dish. Active retuning of the feedhorn to resonance won't fix the total loss of the signal.

      HF for Ham radio and marine shortwave (2-30 MHZ) need larger components to tune mechanically larger antennas so those applications use mechanical relays to switch capacitors and inductors or motor driven capacitors and/or inductors.

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  7. Better than asking an interview question by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Funny

    So candidate "X": how would you deal with RF absorbtion and detuning of a microwave antenna when brought into close proximity of a human body?
    < candidate answers, based on practical experience >
    Interviewer writes down answer, says "That's very interesting, next candidate please"

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  8. From the job listing: by genka · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hands on experience is required

  9. Re:Would this be considered... by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Putting the horse behind the cart?

    It's a perfectly good solution if you're headed downhill.

  10. Just give it a different name by drewhk · · Score: 4, Funny

    iPhone noTouch

    1. Re:Just give it a different name by Trevelyan · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean:

      iPhone !Touch

  11. Re:Secrecy is a double edged sword. by hedwards · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because it's too expensive and time consuming to remove the word "beta" from the website?

  12. Re:Bumpers by trapnest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They did the testing with the iPhone 4 inside an iPhone 3GS case... so no one would know what it was.

  13. Yes... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    a fanboi would probably suggest sucking Steve Jobs' dick as a solution.

    I tried that when my new phone starting dropping calls, but he kept telling me "not to hold it that way."


    ...
    Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress, try the veal.

  14. Re:Secrecy is a double edged sword. by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Completely unrelated, but do you realize that even VHS tapes must have gone through beta-testing?

  15. Hammertime! by Urza9814 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now all Apple needs to do is make a commercial with MC Hammer.

    "Can't touch this!"

    Best part is, they could use the same video - it's already people dancing in front of a white background. Just crank up the contrast until the people turn into silhouettes, and add some headphones.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c4L4CPfQY8

  16. Re:Secrecy is a double edged sword. by ballwall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, they probably did test, but their testing apparently included a case that looked like the iphone 3gs to hide the fact that someone was out using a new iPhone. I'm wondering if that's why they didn't discover the issue sooner. None of the testers were using bare phones.

  17. Re:The funny part is, it's still better than Andro by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do you EXPECT me to do on these phones, anyway?

    I expect you to DIE, Mr. Bond.

  18. Re:Bumpers by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My guess is they did testing in an RF chamber. They never had anyone hold the phone during testing and then they put test phones in cases as a disguise.
    They just never did a valid real world test. More than one company has made that mistake. What is so funny is how everybody now is going duh...

    A good guess, actually, because when you're doing FCC testing, you pretty much use an instrumented RF chamber to gather field data. You can't have people in it for obvious reasons.

    Even in real world testing, you might not find it - after all, once this hit, people have tried to replicate the result, failed, then watched a dozen YouTube videos seeing how to replicate it. After seeing them, they have to purposely set their hands in one position. Other people, trying to see the effect, have dropped their phones. It really depends how you hold the phone - some people like ot hold the bottom and use leverage to hold it to their ear (results in problem - you have to "cup" the bottom), others hold the top and press their hands to their ear. The latter, except for those with the right hand geometry, probably can't figure out how to do it.

    Hell, I've seen phones where the radio locks up if you do *just* the right set of motions. One of my coworkers spent a week riding the commuter train with a phone, laptop, and debug hardware because that was the only reliable way to reproduce the issue. And you have 5 minutes because it happens in just one particular part, then you get off and have to ride it the other way to set up for the next round of debugging.

    For phone testing, there's tons of issues a limited testing won't find. The only way you'll find them is well, release it to the public

  19. I hope the engineers didn't fall on their sword by Tobyb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I am an engineer (electrical test, in fact) so I'm a bit biased. But from the brief insights that we can get about the Apple development process, Jobs loves to keep different parts of the organization completely oblivious from each other. My guess is that the actual antenna engineers never had knowledge of the final design of the phone. The process guys designing the machining to make the external antenna probably didn't know they were making antennas. The only people that probably knew the whole picture was Jobs, Ive, and the usual group that is in that iPhone 4 video shown during the keynote.

    If statistically it is shown to be a huge problem as such to trigger a recall, the board should do its job and hold one someone in this high level team responsible. Obviously, it is a cultural thing with Jobs. He loves to get feedback of what is possible from the engineering staff and then ignore it. For example, the Mac Mini. He famously asked what was the smallest computer they could build at the time. He got feedback and then said make it 1" smaller in each dimension. Sometimes it works. I have done some of my best work for people who were similar, just unflinching in their demands. It is gratifying to complete such a project. However, this time taking industrial design over engineering backfired, and big time. Apple has been inching towards this day for a long time. For example, why no strain relief on the old Macbook MagSafe connectors? Aluminum backs on the original iPhone? I'm hopeful that this episode shakes up the culture and process a little bit. Enough to be cautious when necessary, but not to stifle their crazy industrial design creativity either.

  20. They're not the only ones by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BP is now hiring drilling engineers. There's never enough money to do it right the first time but there's always money to try to fix it the second time.

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  21. Re:Secrecy is a double edged sword. by Dihce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reason they didn't detect the issue is because all of their phones where in cases to protect their identity. so yeah, it's definitely biting them in the ass

  22. That's my bet by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They probably didn't bother with any engineers for it. I would guess that in their phones they normally use off-the-shelf antenna designs. So I could see that they have no need for an engineering department. Also, when it comes to antennas for cell signals, there are some pretty well established designs/rules to use.

    So my bet is that the marketers started going wild. They figured it'd look at really cool if the phone was all glass, thin, with the antenna as a metal band running around it. That layout for antenna was generally ok, so a prototype was built. It was tested sitting on a desk, and worked fine. Things moved forward. However all testing was done in non-real circumstances, either sitting on a bench in a lab or using disguised prototypes, that didn't have the same structure as the final thing. Everything looked good, product launched, shit hit the fan.

    At no time was an actual engineer in this area consulted.

    I would say this is the most likely scenario. Not that there was some dumbass engineer that didn't know or whatever, but that there was NO engineer, that nobody with antenna design expertise was ever consulted. It was done because it looked cool, without proper thought given to all the functional constraints. A marketing decision, not an engineering one. Now, given the problems, they are hiring engineers to try and keep it from happening again.