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Some Google Searches Now Blocked In China
bannable writes with this from the Wall Street Journal: "Google Inc. said that its Web search service in mainland China was partially blocked Wednesday, the deadline for the company to extend its Internet operating license in the country. The company said the blockage appeared to affect only search queries generated by mainland China users of the company's Google Suggest function, which automatically recommends search queries based on the first few letters a user types into the search box."
Of course google, you can play nicely with us, just jump through our hoops!.
North china is best china.
When I type in "Hent" it doesn't prop up any suggested searches, despite there being a popular and obvious topic, even with safesearch off.
*AC to hide my dirty little secret.
China! Why you censor Googre? You number ten!
This issue is so simple guys. Every country has their own laws, this applies US too. A Chinese company comes to US to do their business, it has to obey US Laws. If it doesn't do so, the result will be the same as google in China. I hope you guys can take a different perspective to look at this issue. I agree that democracy and freedom of speech will be the ultimate final goal where Chinese government pursuits. However, they are not the most important issues in China now. In order to fix that, we have to fix poor and hunger now. And the scale of governing is totally different from any other countries, since we have 1.5 billion, no other government understands how hard it is. Let me give an example in IT maybe you geeks will be easier to understand. To manage a web site with 100 visits per day is totally different than to run a web site with 1 million visits per day, geeks call it scaling, right. Such as Canada, only has 30 million population. 30 million people, we call it piece of cake. Why, beijing has 20 million people, shanghai has 30 million. Moreover, in Chinese new year, Chinese transportation system need to move 90 million people back to their hometown and get it out to cities again.
What are my obligations as a human being to run an open proxy for IP addresses that come from China? (i.e. drop the rest of the IPs to keep freeloaders out); I am torn between the trouble *I* can get in for blindly proxying traffic, versus the feel good vibe from letting someone get onto the unfiltered net. Thoughts?
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
These guys like walls.
"Wolololo"
Damn Americans always interfering!!!
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Where is President-VICE Richard B. Cheney?
Yours In New Orleans,
Kilgore Trout
Parent could not be more wrong. India has its fair share of poverty and issues linked to population, yet does not need authoritarian laws to handle things. There is no justification for hiding from or lying to your citizen.
is that freedom of speech and democracy are virtually exclusive to a few nations. maybe im just approaching this from the wrong side, maybe im wrong, im perfectly willing to concede both but im at least a bit confused...
if laws in another country are different, why dont we just respect them and do business on their terms? and if we cant, then we need to stop being hypocritical and begin questioning and denying trade on more than just the internet with china in reaction to their censorship requirements.
Good people go to bed earlier.
So you will blindly follow the Patriot Act laws here because after all, it's "the law"?
tired hearing all this nonsense about google - a marketing company with ideas above it's station.
as a company it is in noo position to take any high moral ground - it is a leech that sells adverts along anything - and wants to pish any garbage it can as long as it can monetise it.
china is correct to have standards. we should learn from them.
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On a sort of random, but related note...
A recent foray into the underworld of chatroulette led me to a conversation with two Chinese nationals, although admittedly I WAS looking for naked fat bald men... They asked me what I thought of Obama, and I told them I wasn't fond of socialist or communist policies that manage vast amounts of my paycheck for me. I asked them what they thought of their government. Their only response was a single word: "love".
It showed to me that the average Chinese citizen is keenly aware of the ability of the government to spy on them and monitor activities. It also seemed as though there was some degree of fear. Granted they weren't afraid of talking to me or asking about the United States, but talking about their own government was a big no no, and could bring reprisals.
Can some1 tell me why Google and slashdoters care so much about Chinese citizens? their living standards, their wages, their human rights, especially their freedom of speech. I don't believe they care because they are do-no-evil angels, or they love Chinese citizens. There must be some hidden agenda. The other thing amuse me is that Google still stay in China, what a shameless company eating back its own poop it laid back in January 2010.
heya,
Hmm, you realise that your broken English and silly insults are a dead giveaway that you're a Chinese troll? Lol.
I mean, "a shameless company eating back its own poop". Look, I understand that some things just don't translate well, and I'm sure if I tried to insult you in mandarin, I'd sound like a five-year-old, but do you realise how silly that sounds? Not because of your poor English, but because you provide absolutely nothing to back your arguments up. You just spout random insults, that make absolutely no sense. That, for a fact, is cross-cultural.
And please, if Google left China, you'd have what, Baidu? Sorry, but I have a lot more faith in the engineering prowess and R&D of Google and their search algorithms. You compare Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook with say, the home-grown clones that have sprung up on the mainland. Because that's essentially what they are - clones. They usually try and copy, pixel for pixel, the look and feel of what they're cloning, yet their functionality is usually sub-par.
Case in point, look at Doit.IM. I thought it was a pretty cool program, until I realised it was a blatant ripoff of Things, another GTD program:
https://i.doit.im/
http://culturedcode.com/things/
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/doit-im-free-awesome-software-for-task-management/
See:
[quote]Update: Reader BrianC400 notifies us in the comment that this app seems like a ripoff of Things. Since Doit.im is developed by some Chinese developers(who have history of ripping off stuffs), surprisingly it seems 80% similar to Things. Anyways, the good thing is that Doit.im is cross-platform and free while Things cost $49.95 and is for Mac OS X only.[/quote]
Or look at fanfou.com - look familiar?
http://shanghaiist.com/2009/06/03/by_june_6_all_gfwed_web_services_wi.php
Cheers,
Victor
oh.. it looks like Victor knows stuff ehh. I know you don't like my English, and I know my English is not that good. But you know why, I bet your Chinese is not as good as my English. Sorry man, I am actually Canadian Chinese, born in Canda, and grew up both in Canada and China. You know, Vancouver is kind of mixed culture, sorry about my poor English.
heya,
Actually, I was replying to "bigtummy". Unless you two happen to be the same person, with two accounts?
But back to your original point - as I said in reply to you up above, my contention wasn't with your english per se. As I readily admitted up there, I'm sure if I tried to argue with you in mandarin, it would come out quite broken. My main point was that your arguments were lacklustre, and seriously lacking in any sort of solid evidence.
Your main point, that somehow China was focusing on "fighting poverty and hunger", instead of democracy was completely backwards.
Firstly, it actually costs the Chinese government more money to try to censor the internet, cover up things like Tibet and Tianamen square, and try to mislead it's own people. All of these are resources that, by your very own admission, should be better spent on say, fighting poverty or given to poor rural Chinese. Not to mention that I still fail to see the link from how a Chinese person viewing a picture of a tank running over a Chinese student will cause them to suddently be poor, or suffer from hunger? You're going to have to explain exactly how that part works.
Secondly, the Chinese government has shown little concern in the way of social equality or justice. Economic growth, yes, absolutely, but economic development or equalising the disparity between the rich and poor seems to run a distant second. Actually, make that third, or maybe fourth, behind a whole bunch of other issues, like maintaining the status quo, and quashing dissent.
So as you can see, my issue isn't with your English, per se, it's mostly with your poor and faulty arguments.
Back to the topic of English - you also seem a bit presumption. Hmm, I don't know how exactly you'd establish whether my Chinese is as good as your English? Is that something that's even comparable? *shrugs* And do you mean my mandarin or my cantonese? I speak and write both, but I wouldn't profess to be comfortable in either, to be honest. But either way, you make an assumption like that without providing any sort of backing. And you're also using a bit of a straw-man argument here.
You're distracting from the main point, which is that your whole "China is focusing on fighting poverty, so it can't be bothered with democracy" argument is completely and utterly flawed.
Cheers,
Victor
hey yo buddy, are you from HongKong? If so, then we probably from the same place man.
And no, I only has one account here.
And one more thing, you can take tiananmen square thing as a point. But please don't take Tibet, you know too little about it man. I went there 4 times in last 10 years. I understand how hard the government is building infrastructure there to make their lives better. Railway, airport, state highway, free schools, free foods, free medicals.