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Google's New Scheme To Avoid Unlicensed Music

An anonymous reader writes "Complaints about copyright infringement on YouTube keep Google busy. If you have any doubts, just look at the Viacom copyright suit. But the problems aren't just about uploaded videos, but sometimes the music accompanying the videos. A patent application shows that Google has worked on a system to automatically identify infringing music by comparing a digital signature of a soundtrack to signatures of existing music. Users who upload videos could opt to completely remove the video, swap the soundtrack for something approved, or to mute the video. Of course, there doesn't seem to be a provision if you're using existing music with permission."

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  1. Fair use? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really? I thought collages were fair use; how is it not fair use to combine music with an original video?

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    1. Re:Fair use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? I thought collages were fair use; how is it not fair use to combine music with an original video?

      Sections of music, yes, not an entire song.

    2. Re:Fair use? by sortius_nod · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It seems that it's not even fair use if you have express permission from the artist. My fiancée has had DMCA takedown notices from recording companies even after having express permission to use music on her blog from the artists themselves. The blog is a music blog reviewing bands, somehow using short clips of music attached to a positive review is seen as copyright infringement.

      I don't see how this is not fair use. Then again, record companies seem to love to twist the DMCA to mean anything they want. This stupid act is a waste of time and money, it protects no one and persecutes people doing the right thing. I have no doubt that these laws were developed to remove power from artists and fans.

    3. Re:Fair use? by achbed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sections of music, yes, not an entire song.

      That's why you'll seldom hear an entire record played on talk radio. The syndicators don't want to pay license fees.

      That is actually not true. There is a separate payment structure for short clips used in a blog or talk radio format as opposed to a full-song radio playback of the same songs. There are still rights payments for even short clips, but it is a heck of a lot cheaper (by a factor of 10 or more depending on revenue and profits of the licensing organization).

      The problem with this entire scheme is that there seems to be no way to say "I've paid the required fees not let me use the dang song". This kills even legal use of music. Not to mention that there is also no talk about "I'm the author dammit" option.

    4. Re:Fair use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm happy to hear these complaints. People will stop using copyrighted music, and the companies trying to suck blood from a stone will go broke with that much less exposure.

      Perhaps it's time to make a big push for ONLY public domain music to be used?

  2. Um...reinventing the wheel by nordee · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is what Audible Magic does. Exactly.

    http://audiblemagic.com/index.asp

    So google is doing it again?

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    1. Re:Um...reinventing the wheel by Peach+Rings · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google has been doing this for years, it's a non-story. That's why you see "the soundtrack of this video has been silenced due to a copyright claim from x" all over the place.

  3. Is this new? by raving+griff · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have they not been doing this already for certain artists that have opped into it? I know that Youtube has thrown me an error when attempting to upload a video with licensed music in it before and gave me the option of uploading with a disabled audio track. In fact, this system seems to have been rolled out in 2007.

    1. Re:Is this new? by EdIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The system may not be new, but the policies described most certainly are. What is proposed from the article is "presumption of guilt". Ignoring for the moment the awesomely infuriating and wholly unethical statement of "presumption of guilt", there will be some serious problems for such a system once live if these new policies are put into effect.

      Personally, I deal with hundreds, sometimes over a thousand, of these notices per day. What is absolutely batshit crazy is that we don't know who the hell these people are and what their music is. Google's (YouTube) system has made thousands upon thousands of mistakes already with just the system I manage. All of the content that is being uploaded has fully licensed music in it. Fully Licensed. We have disputed it a couple dozen times and attached proof. We have yet to hear ANYTHING from Google or YouTube. Nothing. Completely Ignored. We already gave up a long time ago.

      My impression is that if you were to walk into YouTube's offices there would be hundreds of phones ringing, emails appearing on desktops, and no human beings anywhere. Like some post apocalyptic movie scene where all human flesh dissolved and the world was left turning without us. A completely automated system running happily on it's own. Like SkyNet, except mentally challenged.

      Now if they really do move to this policy where our only options are to swap music or delete the video we might just have to close up shop. I am sure their music selections are going to suck something awful and be wholly unsuitable for us. You know that and.... we actually paid for our fucking music we won't be able to use.

  4. Knowing which screw to turn by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Air costs nothing, making air move costs nothing, music in it self costs almost nothing to record

    It costs little to turn a screw, but it costs plenty to know which screw to turn.

    Musicians play live, musicians make their living with their performances. That should be the standard, if you can't perform live or sing without autotune, you are not a musician. Simple as that.

    I prefer to see a songwriter's position as closer to that of a magazine columnist or a book author: arranging words (or music) on a page and not necessarily expecting to have to perform them live.

  5. Work made for hire by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My fiancée has had DMCA takedown notices from recording companies even after having express permission to use music on her blog from the artists themselves.

    Whether those are valid depends on whether the artist had assigned the sound recording copyrights to the label in a contract. A composer or recording artist can't license rights that he had already sold to someone else.

    1. Re:Work made for hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do. I also believe, however, that they've hired lawyers good enough to make sure they own everything from their artists up to and including their own name, and that they've hired lobbyists good enough to make sure they can find a reason to sue an unborn child if they wanted to.

      Never underestimate the sheer capacity for evil of multinational conglomerates.

      Finally the Republican plan is revealed. They intend to get the corporations to sue every unborn child. This will then lead to injunctions against abortions. A clever scheme, brilliant in its intricacies.

  6. Youtube isn't useful anymore by areusche · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a bunch of really old student student news shows up on my personal account. The opening used at best 15 seconds of some random pop song du jour. The audio on the video is now completely muted because of god forbid 15 seconds of fair use music.

    It's not even worth the effort to edit and upload the videos. Youtube is no longer useful for what its intended purpose was.

  7. Not New by b1ng0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is known as a perceptual hash. We have a perceptual audio hash in pHash, my open source software project that will tell you how similar two media files are to each other. It also features an indexing system to find the best matches from a sample audio clip, a la Shazam. These algorithms are not new by any means, although this patent goes a bit further than simply matching audio samples.

  8. Re:Peer to peer by Pollardito · · Score: 4, Funny

    you mean sort of a You-and-You-and-YouTube?

  9. Google goes copyright absolutist by mbone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google has gone positively copyright absolutist - not just in YouTube (which, of course, grew up on a steady diet of infringement), but also in Adwords and maybe Adsense.

    Adwords now disallows ads with phrases like "music videos" or "Internet TV," under the theory that any site advertising such must be guilty of, not just infringement, but "hacking and cracking." As their standard of proof is "guilty until proven innocent," arguing with them is fairly frustrating...

  10. Re:fair use by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    There also needs to be a fair use option.

    There is. If YouTube's Audible Magic server detects a match, it lists the video in Content ID Matches, where the uploader can file a dispute. One of the dispute options is "This use does not require the copyright owner's permission", such as fair use.

  11. pitch adjustment by tlacuache · · Score: 5, Informative

    From my experience, adjusting the pitch of the audio by +4% (without altering its duration) is enough to fool Google's algorithm without being noticeable/distracting, unless you're playing the original song and the altered song side-by-side.