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DARPA To Turn Humans Into Batteries

DARPA is working on a project that will convert energy from the human body to power a variety of military gadgets. From the article: "Obviously, our bodies generate heat — thermal energy. They also produce vibrations when we move — kinetic energy. Both forms of energy can be converted into electricity. Anantha Chandrakasan, an MIT electrical engineering professor, who is working on the problem with a former student named Yogesh Ramadass, says the challenge is to harvest adequate amounts of power from the body and then efficiently direct it to the device that needs it." If I remember the movie correctly, this didn't turn out so well for the humans.

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  1. Matrix Jokes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Appear after this comment

    1. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

      1984 wasn't supposed to be a guide book. Oh wait, I mean The Matrix...

    2. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by Rijnzael · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now what's really going to get you later on is, would people have made Matrix jokes if you hadn't said anything?

    3. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by capnchicken · · Score: 4, Funny
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    4. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by happy_place · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here's a joke from the Matrix's central core...

      Q. How many humans does it take to change a lightbulb?

      A. Humans don't change lightbulbs, they power lightbulbs.

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    5. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by capnchicken · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Yes they would. It doesn't take an Oracle to predict slashdot, hell you can predict it with DB2! Zing!

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    6. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    7. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by emocomputerjock · · Score: 4, Funny

      What other two Matrix movies?

    8. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's it, time to call the Mythbusters!

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    9. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by ThePlague · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can you get power from humans? Sure, but why would you specifically breed them for that purpose? I mean, really, nuclear would be a great deal easier, and provide much more power. So would burning coal. In either case, you don't need to set up an elaborate virtual reality to keep the fuel cells in line. Hell, even if you accept that bio-generated heat is an ideal power source, why not use cows? The VR would be a great deal simpler. Finally, even if for some bizarre reason humans are the only option, why even bother with a VR at all: just lobotomize them or induce a coma.

      That's one of the main reasons I was so disappointed in the sequels: they got way too mystical. What would have been better would be if it had been found out that the primary reason the matrix was made was not for power generation, rather computational power. A portion of each inhabitant of the matrix brain was used as hardware for the AI. In order to keep the brain functioning correctly, the VR had to be generated. It would also explain "The One"'s ability to hack the matrix: he could access the part of his brain that was being used to generate the matrix, giving him access to the fundamental underpinnings. In essence, a backdoor exploit. I personally think it would have been more satisfying and dramatic if the original teaser line "what is the matrix?" had been answered in the sequels as "we are the matrix".

    10. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So it just means that "real world" is actually still a "matrix".

      The idea that humans are batteries is just what Morpheus claimed. It may be true in the inner Matrix world, but may not be for the outer matrix worlds. Remember even in the first movie the question was asked: "What if when you woke up, you didn't know the difference between the dream world, and the real world?"

      My interpretation is the Oracle is trying to upgrade herself- she believes humans have something the machines don't.

      Think of the whole thing as a "hybrid/breeding program".

      Neo is likely at least partly a machine (and a special one). The Oracle gives Neo a cookie to add features/upgrades at critical moments.

      After each world iteration, Neo has a chance of becoming more human but crucially retaining the abilities of machines.

      Smith goes about merging with all the humans and other machines, including the Oracle (who still somehow retains enough of herself to prompt Neo), and Neo merges with Smith.

      If things go fine, the Oracle gets her upgrade...

      As the Architect said, the Oracle is playing a dangerous game.

      But life is dangerous :).

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    11. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someone needs to tell DARPA that is was just a movie. Not real. Now, take the blue pill.

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    12. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by MistrBlank · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you gone back and watched the first matrix movie? It's really not much better than the other 2 movies. That said, I don't see why people pan the other two so bad.

      If anything, people miss that in the first movie, Neo realizes he's destined for greatness. The second movie ends on a such a terrible down note and neo realizes he's not destined for any kind of greatness, he's just doomed to a system. And in the final movie we have the crescendo

      If you pan the Matrix series... you really can't call yourself a fan of the original Star Wars trilogy, the acting in either trilogy isn't any better than one another and the story follows equivocally the same theme if not the SAME STORY (even down to the three fronted assault at the end). The only difference is in this trilogy Luke dies.

    13. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you tried watching Matrix: Dezionized? It's a fan edit with most of the Zion stuff edited out and the 2nd and 3rd movies combined. Pretty awesome.

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    14. Re:Matrix Jokes ... by tibman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like that interpretation. I can see the higher biological and technological beings desiring traits in each other.. but with no way to obtain them while staying purely what they are. Your hybrids would be feared by both sides.

      I wouldn't want my jeep to have temper tantrums but having tires that grew like fingernails would be wicked. Get into a fender bender and just feed it some aluminum cans for a few days. Of course i think at that point i wouldn't be telling the jeep what to do, it would probably be commanding me around to feed it more aluminum cans.

      I like your interpretation though. Looks like i was modded troll for some reason.. possibly for mentioning an AI god?

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  2. Simple by 0racle · · Score: 2, Informative

    the challenge is to harvest adequate amounts of power from the body and then efficiently direct it to the device that needs it

    You combine it with a form of fusionm duh.

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  3. Question by xednieht · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is mankind so obsessed with harvesting energy from the rarest sources in the universe? Why not start with the most abundant sources?

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    1. Re:Question by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because doing that would make farting both a socially acceptable behavior and a viable industry.

    2. Re:Question by thijsh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because even without the malaria health-risks mosquito's are way to hard to milk...

    3. Re:Question by Exitar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because harvesting energy from stupidity isn't a trivial task.

    4. Re:Question by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Think wearables. Batteries are heavy and inefficient and need periodic access to a power supply to recharge; that limits how long you can go on using your various toys, especially if you're way out in the wilderness on some mission or other. If you can draw power directly from the wearer's body, then you can greatly improve the usefulness of his electronic augmentations.

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    5. Re:Question by fataugie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wearables? You mean like babies and midgets? Where do you plug in?

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  4. I'm Not Fat! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm a D Cell battery!

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  5. average human is 75-watt light bulb by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Auditorium A/C designers know that - about one watt per kilogram resting, triple that when aerobic. Many portable electronics devices can run off a few percent of that energy. It would be nice to capture that energy mechanically, thermally, or chemically.

    1. Re:average human is 75-watt light bulb by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Funny

      Auditorium A/C designers know that - about one watt per kilogram resting, triple that when aerobic. Many portable electronics devices can run off a few percent of that energy. It would be nice to capture that energy mechanically, thermally, or chemically.

      Sir, what exactly do you have in mind? :)

      Instruction manual told you to put the anode where?!

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    2. Re:average human is 75-watt light bulb by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was obvious that you were calculating the average. However, you were correcting someone who was pointing out that human beings are a 75 watt lightbulb, and in the comment clearly added the condition "at rest". And a 225 watt lightbulb during aerobic.

      You can use those two numbers to come up with a guesstimate of activity level as a function of GI tract efficency (assuming a boolean activity level), which would be nifty.

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  6. Re:No AI yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Al Gore or AI Gore?

    Dammit, I need serifs!!! At least we don't have to worry about A1 Gore.

  7. Here's my solution by david.emery · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you want (a) power; (b) biometric identification; (c) biological status/health monitoring, consider the Rectal Thermocouple... This will normally generate substantial additional power in combat as an added benefit. :-)

  8. Terrible implications by srealm · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK, so humans become mobile power sources.

    I really don't want to see a guy on the side of the road with wires shoved up his arse trying to jump his car to start because his battery is dead.
    *clench* "Try it now!"

    That said, I guess the BDSM scene can now do something useful after attaching the alligator clamps to their nipples.

  9. Pre-Matrix joke... by PatHMV · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dura-cell is PEOPLE! (said in best Charlton Heston voice)

  10. kid stuff by Goldsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If these guys were serious about powering implants, they'd be using ATP or glucose. Heat and vibrations are nice, but a few more steps down the thermodynamic pipeline.

    Plus, the good piezoelectrics are not exactly made of bio-friendly metals.

  11. Humans where used for CPU power but the boss by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Humans where used for CPU power but the hollywood bosses cut that part.

  12. Battery size by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some men are AAA, some are lantern batteries.

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  13. Re:Wrong direction for soldiers? by david.emery · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe they won't have to carry all of the extra batteries, which will help.

    Seriously*, you've hit a significant advantage. The normal 'basic load' of batteries is 30 days, from what I remember, and carrying those batteries around, particularly in Ranger/light infantry/Special Ops units is a tremendous drag. Whatever technique gets used, though, has to account for the fact that light infantry soldiers spend a lot of time being still (because what moves can be seen, and what can be seen will be shot...), so either you need some technique to store the power or you need something that can generate some amount of power when the soldier is not moving.

    * for humor on this topic, see my other post ;-)

  14. Re:How many KiloCalories if you burn a human? by tpwch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its a pretty easy calculation. According to google an average non-overweight human is about 15% fat and 18% protein (the protein number varies a bit depending on the source, but lets use 18% for this calculation).

    A gram of fat is 9 kcal and a gram of protein is 4 kcal for a person. Not sure if there is anything else in the human body that would store energy, the carbohydate amount is small enough that its neglegible.

    So a person weighing 75 kilos would have 155 250 kcal in his body. I imagine that when burning that however a lot of the energy would be lost to evaporating the water in the human body.

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  15. TANSTAAFL by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

    Energy taken out of the system has to come from somewhere. Some energy, sure, can be "harvested" without effort on part of the human host - temperature differences, compression energy while walking, the sort of thing that can't be avoided.

    Any power generation on a significant scale, though, will cause the person generating it effort. Like, say, a bicycle generator, or winding up an alarm clock. Even something passive, like putting an induction generator (think: "shake powered flashlight") on your belt will add to the weight you carry, the inertia you have to overcome. More effort on your part.