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Inside Apple's Anechoic Testing Chambers

As part of Apple's press conference on Friday, they mentioned their state-of-the-art testing facilities and released a brief video showing some of their anechoic chambers. They later invited journalists on a tour of the rooms and explained some of the experimentation process. Quoting: "There are four stages. The first is a passive test to study the form factor of the device they want to create. The second stage is what Caballero calls the 'junk in the trunk' stage. Apple puts the wireless components inside of the form factor and puts them in these chambers. The third part involves studying the device in one of these chambers but with human or dummy subjects. And the fourth part is a field test, done in vans that drive around various cities monitoring the device's signal the entire time (both with real people and with dummies). ... The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called 'Stargate.' Why? Because, well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate. Inside this room, there's a giant ring that a human sits on a raised chair in the center of. This chair slowly rotates around as signals are passed around the entire outer circle. This creates a 360 degree test area. I was told this room is completely safe for humans. And people typically spend 40 minutes in there at a time for testing. By comparison, devices can stay in the other anechoic chambers for up to 24 hours at a time. ... We then went into a room that contained fake heads."

229 comments

  1. Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And nowhere do I read a description of the simulated conductive hands covering the antenna gap. Might they have failed to consider one key variable to test for?

    1. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 2, Interesting
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      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    2. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their testing methods aren't functional. They are just designed to look cool.

    3. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where's your head at man? The link is about RIM's response to Apple's accusation. It says that they don't have the problem Apple has and that Apple should take responsibility for (but won't).

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      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    4. Re:Mind the gap by camperslo · · Score: 1

      We then went into a room that contained fake heads

      Fake heads? You insensitive clod! Please try to avoid being judgmental or making assumptions.
      Haven't you seen Futurama? They may simply not want to talk to you.

      It's likely to expect heads to roll after such things as Microsoft killing the Kin phone.
      Having phone experience, some of those rolled heads may have found a home at Apple.

      Not content to put the radio portion of a phone into a Bennie cap, Apple is likely to use more elegant solutions. Nanobots from the iPhone can transform your hand to give you internal parasitic antenna elements that adjust on the fly, providing antenna gain by focusing signal in the appropriate instantaneous direction. Other nanobots implement energy conversion from biofuel. You heard it here first. Apple will be the first to solve the problems of limited battery life and of obese users that otherwise don't look as good as their phones. As the one company that can be trusted to fully integrate and optimize the TOTAL experience, Apple will modify the user to complete the equation. You will be fashionably absorbed, and love it!

    5. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 1, Troll
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      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    6. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You linked to gizmodo. Mod mark parent -1 invalid/troll.

    7. Re:Mind the gap by Wovel · · Score: 1

      HTC is also lying, but they lie about everything.

    8. Re:Mind the gap by trapnest · · Score: 2, Informative

      As someone who has the blackberry bold 9700, I have no idea what you're talking about.

    9. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how you hold it, it works fine in... "The iChamber"!! Buy yours today!

    10. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Where's your head at man? The link is about RIM's response to Apple's accusation. It says that they don't have the problem Apple has and that Apple should take responsibility for (but won't).

      So you are telling us that Apple has made a fake video of a BlackBerry Bold 9700 droping from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal? To "not take responsibility"? Are you on CrackBerry?

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    11. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      As someone who has the blackberry bold 9700, I have no idea what you're talking about.

      You hold it the right way. Hold it the wrong way, and you will see the problem.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    12. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      http://gizmodo.com/5589962/htc-disputes-apple-cellphone-demo-with-deathgrip-video-of-its-own

      So? HTC obviously has a problem and is denying it - and so are all you Droids. Note that Apple's video shows a very sneaky behaviour of the Android bar algorithm: the bars drop really slowly when you touch it the wrong way, but come back fast when you release it. Not as glacial as the Windows Mobile phone, but still slower than the iPhone - and it takes longer than the people hold the iPhone 4s in "death grip videos".

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    13. Re:Mind the gap by macs4all · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Their testing methods aren't functional. They are just designed to look cool.

      Considering that the testing lab was SECRET until last Friday, I think you're an idiot.

      Oh wait, you're an AC. Nevermind.

    14. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Looks like somebody can't accept the fact that RIM clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw Apple into a situation that relates specifically to RIM. Namely that a BlackBerry Bold 9700 drops from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    15. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful. That kind of common sense around here will just get you modded Troll for inadvertently defending the Evil Empire formerly known as Apple. I love the denial from folks stating this is an Apple only problem when it was demonstrated (5 bars to 1) on HTC, Nokia, and RIM. If your post doesn't make HTC look good, and Apple bad, it is therefore == Trolling. Just see the parent post stating that Rim is lying because he can duplicate it on his blackberry. It was immediately marked as Troll. The Android fans must be proud. The kool-aid is strong with them...

    16. Re:Mind the gap by MogNuts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nope. Wrong. I have 1. Doesn't do it. I think you have a problem with accepting that precious Apple seriously screwed up. And this time I just don't get. I can't understand all the people defending the piece of garbage that is Iphone 4 and iOS4.

      Take a step back for a second past the fact that the Iphone has massive design defects and quite frankly is one of the worst phones to ever be released (how can you say a phone which can't make calls be a good phone?) How many actually use your smartphone? I get texts, e-mails, IM's, etc. I have a 3GS. I get bombarded 24x7 with alerts that interrupt me and won't go away until I touch a button. People hate pop-ups, but when iOS gives them, they "love their Apple experience." Anyway, this gets real annoying for someone who actually uses their phone and gets more than 1 IM, e-mail, etc., and doesn't spend their day jerking off to playing a piano on his Iphone. Meanwhile, Android and Blackberry have a nice little non-intrusive alert. Android even elegantly sorts a drop-down box if you would like to see items at a glance. And it doesn't interrupt what I'm doing.

      And don't get me started on multitasking. IOS has limited multitasking and the programmer has to enable it. This reminds me of back in the day when shit-brained Apple still had cooperative multi-tasking while the entire world was on true pre-emptive multitasking. Apple left it to the coders to do multitasking. Look at how well that worked out back then. Most coders are not that good, and as we see from the App Store (don't get me started on that one--95% are a buggy featureless mess), most of those developers are downright awful. Presently, thousands of apps now handle multitasking like garbage. And history repeats itself.

      I only got the 3GS because I wanted a change at the time. I used Blackberries for years (which I absolutely loved; the Bold 9700 is quite possible the best phone in existence for people who actually use their phone, and don't play games or need 10,000 fart/flashlight apps), but I just felt like eating chicken instead of steak. I regret ever being duped by the hype ("but-but-Apple gives the best experience") and believing that Apple actually made a good product.

      Mod me down. Argue with me until you're blue in the face. I don't really care what morons think. For the rest of us, who actually want a superior product, stick with RIM and Google people.

    17. Re:Mind the gap by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The 'design issue,' and it's mentioned right in the RIM response, is Apples singular decision to use an external metal antenna that comes into contact with the user. Not just one antenna, but also a second antenna in very close proximity so that the user would bridge the two.

      That's just nuts. It's shit-grade RF design. None of the other vendors do that in their current lineup, and the RIM response specifically points to it as the reason for Apple's problems.

      Other effects that cause signals to reduce are known and exist throughout the industry. The stinker design by Apple is uniquely theirs.

    18. Re:Mind the gap by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      So you are telling us that Apple has made a fake video of a BlackBerry Bold 9700 droping from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal? To "not take responsibility"? Are you on CrackBerry?

      People aren't saying that, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. Apple has really shitted in their pants on this one, to use a phrase some dude likes using.

    19. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the hundreds of thousands that could reproduce it in about 60 seconds of testing, you still think it's more likely that the results weren't faked? You don't think they considered the fact that people would reproduce the results?

      Antennagate has turned into an inconvenient truth. It was convenient when it was only Apple that it affected. RIM, HTC, and Nokia should have made sure their own closets were clean before they cast the first stone...

    20. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      You are trying the strawman argument--attack the opposition with a small issue to make the bigger issue that you have seem less important.

      That post is about RIM addressing Apple's accusation, which happens to be false.

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      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    21. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      You are acting like a child. Gizmodo is a fine site, one of many that 10s of thousands of people visit every day for tech news. And, BTW, the warrant on Jason Chen was reversed and he was given his possessions back. That's because the EFF pointed out that those actions taken by REACT, driven by Apple, were illegal.

      --
      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    22. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have seen nor heard a single confirmation. And those RIM devices have been out a long time.

      The return rate is actually very high for the iPhone 4 considering the duration that it has been in circulation.

      Welcome to the party pal.

      --
      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    23. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      The bars dropping are not what is at issue here. You are obfuscating the real issue, which is the dropped calls and poor data performance while touching that spot. And I often hold my iPhone with my left hand to touch the screen with my right one.

      --
      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    24. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I worked at Qualcomm, not only did they do all of this, but also gave all the developers and engineers handsets which we were expected to use every day. We were expected to keep the handsets updated with the latest builds, and to upload any last gasp data and error logs to be analyzed. We were also expected to report any other problems we noticed.

    25. Re:Mind the gap by camperslo · · Score: 1

      You hold it the right way. Hold it the wrong way, and you will see the problem.

      Not always!!! ... far from it actually.
      If the signal starts at/near the minimum level needed to display 5 bars you'll see the drop. But in many locations signals are far far stronger than that. With a sufficiently strong signal the hand-related drop in signal on all phones, iPhone included, won't have any affect the display or performance.

      Most here don't understand when engineers talk about relative signal levels like -50db, -110db etc. Those aren't linear units like a percentage. Depending on where you go in a day, it's easy to encounter 60 db of variation. To increase the level by 60 db using a power increase at the cell site, the power would have to be a million times more!
      It's like a magnitude 7 versus a magnitude 1 earthquake. (except the deci in decibel multiplies the base 10 log of the ratio to a reference level by 10)

      Comparisons of phones based on display output are of limited usefulness too since they're almost certainly set up differently. If user demand and marketing push for behavior with 5 bars, every vendor can set the firmware to show that almost all of the time. That won't improve coverage at all, it'll just make the displays less useful for spotting a signal with little margin for fading and less useful to find a warmer spot in a patchy area.

    26. Re:Mind the gap by node+3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, what he's saying is that slashdot is full of android fanboys who need to have something negative to say about the iPhone that appeals to more people than "it's not open" does. The fact that every phone on the planet does the exact same thing takes a back seat to promoting the One True philosophy of open source.

      By posting that the iPhone 4 works just fine makes you a troll, de facto, as it lays bare the lie that is oh so dear to this crowd.

    27. Re:Mind the gap by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Let's forget the whole iPhone 4 debacle for a second. Gizmodo is a tremendous disgrace. Add back the iPhone thing... Gizmodo is about as far from journalism as one can possibly get. We really need a new word, as 'blog' just doesn't quite match it... because Gizmodo is an embarrassment to bloggers. Not only do they make stuff up, ala nyt, they over-moderate their commenters like hawks... you cannot post a derisive or disagreeing comment on the site, and they tell you so in their FAQ. Gizmodo is like one big grab ass. Honestly, they are indefensible. What morons buy stolen property without passing it by their attorney? At any rate, it will be good to see them go. And btw CA has not dropped the case. And after CA is done with them, I will watch intently as Apple bears its $30 billion guns upon them. Fuck Gizmodo. Goddamn liars. Riddence!

    28. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samefag

    29. Re:Mind the gap by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      This is patently false. When you understand the law, the real law, then you become an elected Judge and you hear the evidence, then you can judge Gizmodo.

      Under California law most legal experts agree that Gizmodo was/is innocent and was perfectly within their rights to do exactly what they did.

      It was illegal to issue the warrant and it was an abuse of power by Jobs himself to push REACT to do this investigation while their legal department must have assuredly informed them that Gizmodo was within the law, especially since they already had the phone back--and within the law means they could have destroyed the phone if they so chose.

      Apple will be sued and either settle or be found guilty. Chen will make some money, which he deserves, especially when a large corporation performs like a fascist.

      Apple knew Chen was a journalist. Apple also knew they had been on the loosing end of numerous other legal issues involving journalists. Apple chose this route to do an end run around the law in order to get at the journalist's protected information.

      When you finally understand what a bailor and bailee is, and you understand how it applies in the Gizmodo case, then you can try to convince us, but I'm sure you'll fail as the law is pretty clear. Gizmodo and Jason Chen were within their legal rights and performed legally in all they had done. I'm not saying they were perfect angels, but the were in no way criminals and committed no criminal act.

      THAT IS WHY THE WARRANT WAS OVERTURNED.

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      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    30. Re:Mind the gap by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Fair's fair. We get three stories a day about the Iphones, bragging how they can do things like access webpages and run apps - "The fact that every phone on the planet does the exact same thing takes a back seat to promoting the One True Company".

      So it's only fair that when there's negative news, you only hear about it for Apple too. You don't see stories about this for Nokia, RIM or Google, because this is a site that almost always only covers mobile news from Apple.

    31. Re:Mind the gap by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of back in the day when shit-brained Apple still had cooperative multi-tasking while the entire world was on true pre-emptive multitasking.

      I can just see, in five years' time, Apple end up buying an existing OS from another company, and rebranding it "IphoneOS X", so that they finally get multitasking :)

      (I love my Nokia. Was tempted by Blackberry - both are very underrated in the media.)

    32. Re:Mind the gap by node+3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's a load of bull. Nokia, RIM, and especially Google, get plenty of coverage on Slashdot. Just because you find positive Apple stories to be so offensive that you become blind to any other story here doesn't change that.

      Did you know when Froyo came out? Did you know when Flash was released as a beta for Android? Did you know whe Google remote-killed some apps? Did you know about HP's slate? New Blackberries? The N900? Firefox on non-Apple phones? Droid Incredible? Droid X? Android phone of the month? Do you see me posting in all those stories about how Apple is better and that Google/RIM/HTC/whoever is crap?

      On the plus side, at least you didn't bring up the Amiga this time!

    33. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      You are trying the strawman argument

      Either Apple has made a fake video, or RIM is lying - so what is it Herr Strawmonster? Fess up what your point actually was, or if you had one to begin with.

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    34. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Troll

      So what is the rate of dropped calls? And would your CrackBerry even have receptions where those calls were dropped?

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    35. Re:Mind the gap by dancingmilk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, 1000%. I swear by my Android phone, and I still laugh at all the losers still stuck in the walled garden of Apple. Enjoy being spoonfed lies and deceit folks! For the rest of us, there is Android.

    36. Re:Mind the gap by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Your post gave me a good chuckle. Scary thing is, is that is almost 100% will come true. NeXTStep all over again. Apple never changes, history just keeps repeating itself.

    37. Re:Mind the gap by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Who?

      Steve Jobs press conference on Friday doesn't count buddy.

    38. Re:Mind the gap by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, just Ignore Lars. He's the typical Apple troll and fanboy. You can tell by the fact that all his shit-brained posts are modded 2 that he has another account and is modding himself up.

      Let the morons like Lars have their money taken from them for an inferior product. Let the rest of us not be duped and enjoy our open, full-featured, and efficient phones. Which by the way, *gasp* we use as phones and communication tools.

      Enjoy your MacOS 8-9 mobile reincarnation Lars. That MS guy really is right--but in my own words--IPhone 4 and iOS4 are Apple's Quicktime and ITunes client (which are quite possible the worst pieces of software ever in existence).

    39. Re:Mind the gap by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Troll
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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    40. Re:Mind the gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The warrant was withdrawn at the request of the district attorney after Gizmodo agreed to provide the DA with all the information he wanted. That the warrant was withdrawn under these circumstances is no reflection on its validity. Indeed, if push came to shove, it's far more likely than not that it would be upheld. The shield law protects sources and research done by a journalist. The purpose of the law is to prevent the media from becoming an investigatory arm of law enforcement. It's not meant to protect journalists who engage in unlawful activity themselves. When Gizmodo agreed to cooperate, it was a no-brainer to withdraw the warrant. While the DA would likely prevail at the inevitable suppression motion, withdrawing the warrant eliminates the risk that they would not.

      As for the lawfulness of this whole situation, that's not even up for debate. The person who found the phone breached his duty as a depositor for hire (which the civil code says the finder of lost property is) by selling the lost property! Gizmodo and their representatives knowingly purchased property that did not belong to the person who was selling it.

      You talk about the search warrant as a way to get privileged information. What do you think they were after, anyway? Have you read the search warrant affidavit? The cat was out of the bag. They knew who found the phone and knew the circumstances of the sale. They were looking for evidence of three specific crimes, which they already had ample evidence for.

    41. Re:Mind the gap by catmistake · · Score: 1

      I'm only responding to let you know that I am aware that your entire post is complete fiction. Almost every single sentence is actually false. And. LOL. OK, so ... read what the anonymous coward said... because your facts are all screwed up.... Gizmodo bought stolen property, knowingly and willfully, simply because they were unaware that it was illegal. Yes... it's illegal to buy stolen property. Yes, Gizmodo will be prosecuted because they broke the law.

    42. Re:Mind the gap by grouchomarxist · · Score: 1

      There are apparently some videos going around which show the problem with the yet to be released BlackBerry 9800

      http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/19/blackberry-death-grip/

  2. Stargate? by crow_t_robot · · Score: 1

    "The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called 'Stargate.' Why? Because, well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate."

    Stargate? More like Cerebro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebro

    1. Re:Stargate? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      "The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called 'Stargate.' Why? Because, well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate." Stargate? More like Cerebro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebro

      So where is the ring a person is sitting in Cerebro?

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    2. Re:Stargate? by crow_t_robot · · Score: 0

      Compare the following:
      http://images.apple.com/antenna/images/lab-facilities-20100715.jpg
      and
      http://www.mutanthigh.com/tech/cerebra1.jpg

      Only difference appears to be the walkway which is raised in Cerebro.

    3. Re:Stargate? by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Compare the following

      Why don't you RTFA instead? There's a big fucking picture of a guy sitting inside a big fucking ring with article text right below "The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called “Stargate.” Why? Because well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate. Inside this room, there’s a giant ring that a human sits on a raised chair in the center of. "

      Do I need to draw a fucking ASCII picture?

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    4. Re:Stargate? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Just noticed - you did RTFA article, and stole your line from it, didn't you: "Speaking of movies, one chamber we didn’t get to see was a giant one that looks exactly like Cerebo from the X-Men films."

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  3. Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm ready to bed apple rushed everything and barely used those chambers.
    They wouldn't have done such basic antenna design mistakes otherwise.

    If they actually cared more about the quality of the product than the secrecy around it they would have tested it with more actual humans in real life situations.

    1. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      *sigh* The way the press has scented blood on this - there's nothing they like better than to tear down what they've built up. iPhones. Good machines, over-priced, sometimes innovative with a somewhat irritating and closed development model attached to them. Apple wasn't producing immaculate products from Heaven before, and they're not producing bricks from Satan's arse all of a sudden. Something got fucked up along the way this time, it'll get fixed. The hype and the derision in both directions is irritating to me. Maybe we can stop the rollercoaster and start treating Apple like any other company soon, please? I don't see constant stories about Nokia's phones (which are pretty nice, imho), for example.

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      Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
    2. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Face it, Apple fucked up this time and it really is a big deal. Unlike the iPhone market, Android is fragmented, and it is a good thing. If an Android model has serious issues or misses a feature you like (physical keyboard for example), just buy a different model.

      If you don't like the current iPhone, your only choice is to stick with an older model. It matters. It is a big deal for people who love their smartphones.

    3. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      If you don't like the current iPhone, your only choice is to stick with an older model.

      It's not my only choice at all. I can buy a Nokia which is what I did. I don't like the iPhone myself. I think it has a pretty good UI which is great for people who need that. But I'm currently writing software based on Postgres and I a simple UI isn't such a big selling point to me, I want value for money and a so long as the basic features I require are there (old Nokia 5800 in this case), then I'm happy.

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      Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
    4. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and its not the first time they royally fucked up.

      Remember the Apple III?

      After the Apple III disaster, Apple released *3* new Apple II models, each lone lasted longer in the market than the III did.

      Sometimes you fuck up so bad that you cant go forward.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    5. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Face it, Apple fucked up this time and it really is a big deal.

      Yea fucked up so much that they will sell millions of these. Continue to sell millions of these and generate a huge profit. Yea that's really screwing up.

    6. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      Apple wasn't producing immaculate products from Heaven before

      Apple certainly isn't guilt free from raising expectations for their products. I mean, just look at the product page for the iPhone. "This changes everything. Again." After reading their marketing language, describing their products as "magical" and "revolutionary," when you realize the product is just another gizmo with associated gizmo flaws it's natural to be disenchanted and a little angry.

    7. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yea fucked up so much that they will sell millions of these. Continue to sell millions of these and generate a huge profit. Yea that's really screwing up.

      This is the inverse of the "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich" expression:

      "They sell millions, so they must be great".

      or...

      "10,000,000 Elvis fans can't be wrong!"

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    8. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by nmos · · Score: 1

      After reading their marketing language, describing their products as "magical" and "revolutionary," when you realize the product is just another gizmo with associated gizmo flaws it's natural to be disenchanted and a little angry.

      Have you been living under a rock or something? That's what marketers do. When was the last time you saw an advertisement that wasn't 90% lies/misleading ? That said, these types of phones (not just the IPhone) really do feel like they've changed your life when you first get one.

    9. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's more like asking a rich person why they screwed their life up so much.

    10. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by macs4all · · Score: 0, Troll

      Agreed, and its not the first time they royally fucked up.

      Remember the Apple III?

      WOW! I'd say if you have to go back THIRTY YEARS to find another example, then they OBVIOUSLY are doing pretty damn good!

      BTW, the problems with the /// were NOT engineering-related. The problem was the state-of-the-art of PC board manufacturing, which couldn't deal with the density of the Apple ///'s PCB. Today it would be laughably trivial, but not in 1979...

      BTW, by the time the version 2 PCBs were released, the Apple /// was as stable as the Apple //.

      But by then, even Apple wasn't interested in the Apple /// anymore.

    11. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      It might have helped if they had not tried to sell bumpers for $30 as a fix.

      Apple products are now mainstream, and not just for rabid fanboys anymore.

    12. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      WOW! I'd say if you have to go back THIRTY YEARS to find another example, then they OBVIOUSLY are doing pretty damn good!

      Huh? I gave a single example which I am most familiar with. Did you want others? The iPhone was not apples first cell phone. The first one was a tremendous failure, due to design issues it did not "just work."

      BTW, the problems with the /// were NOT engineering-related. The problem was the state-of-the-art of PC board manufacturing, which couldn't deal with the density of the Apple ///'s PCB.

      umm.. that IS an engineering issue. There will come a time when phone reception will not be significantly adversely effected from a humans grip, at which time that does not change the iPhones current issue as being an engineering one.

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    13. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Yeah, granted. Apple certainly do their darnest to promote themselves. And although the other respondent above is correct to say everyone else does too, it's hard not to concede that Apple do a better job of it than anyone else.

      But I guess I just don't buy into the hype and I wonder why other people do, too. If you check out my post, you'll see that it's not directed against Apple for hyping themselves up, but against the press. It's the press that run endless stories about Apple's highs and then, with great relish, start running stories about its lows. My point is that it is hype both ways and papers, IT sites and everyone else should just stop buying into it. Nokia still have far more of the phone market than Apple. Blackberry's still have more of the phone market than Apple. Do we see three weeks of stories about Blackberry upgrading their O/S or releasing a new model? I suspect Apple have one of the most developed marketing machines we've yet seen - sort of the Paris Hilton of the electronics world. We've no idea what actually makes them so special, but they seem to be discussed merely because they're discussed. (No offense to Paris if she reads /., I'm sure she's lovely).

      Good phones, over-priced, some innovations, some dubious limitations. What irritates is the hype and the media share blame for that, it's not just because Apple say: "Hey - our phone is great!"

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    14. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't need thirty years. AppleTV is a flop.

    15. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by macs4all · · Score: 0, Troll

      Don't need thirty years. AppleTV is a flop.

      Wish I had a "flop" like this!

    16. Re:Suddenly, an anechoic chamber appears by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I'll remember that argument next time people are criticising Microsoft.

      (For comparison, I believe Nokia sell on average over a million phones every single day.)

  4. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think the other companies don't have something like this? It's also funny to see how they use windows in these facilities. Steve must hate the place.

    1. Re:So what? by xouumalperxe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it's a matter of saying "We're better than they are" as it is a matter of saying "before you accuse us of not testing, take a good look at our investment in testing facilities". Sure, the testing procedures may have been (probably were) flawed, but that's a separate issue from the rampant accusations of them not giving a shit.

    2. Re:So what? by Eharley · · Score: 3, Funny

      A lot of oscilloscopes run Windows.

    3. Re:So what? by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd say a lot of instrumentation runs on Windows only.

      Sad but true.

    4. Re:So what? by sg3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I don't think it's a matter of saying "We're better than they are" as it is a matter of saying "before you accuse us of not
      > testing, take a good look at our investment in testing facilities".

      I agree. They're trying to show what goes into this kind of testing. Engineers and technology people aren't going to be surprised by Apple's facilities (though it's cool to see the photos of the anechoic chambers), since other major mobile phone manufacturers will have similar facilities.

      Apple's trying to show some of the ways that they control conditions while they're testing. Sitting in a Starbucks holding the phone in weird ways and watching the bars change isn't a good way to measure a problem since there is zero control of the fading conditions. The fact that they had a bug in their signal strength algorithm is bad, but one can't complain the problem happened because they weren't testing.

      I think there's been a huge overreaction to the issue. However, what did Apple expect? One could argue there was a huge overreaction when the iPhone/iPad was announced (albeit, positive in those cases). This antenna thing just reminds Apple that the knife cuts both ways.

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    5. Re:So what? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't watch the video because it's in quicktime and I'm on a linux machine, but it is true that a lot of instrumentation runs windows only. I had the opportunity a few years back to visit the manufacturer of some scientific microscopes. I asked them why in the world they were using such an unstable and complicated platform as windows XP to run their software when what you really wanted was something that was dedicated to running a microscope. E.g., we used to comment on how back in the days of dos, the software for these microscopes was actually better, because dos had few (no?) abstraction layers to the hardware and the software had direct control over the vesa bus cards that controlled the microscope and running that software was the ONLY thing that computer was doing. In the days of NT and XP, software glitches and lag time (e.g. screen updates, etc.) have gotten worse and I think some of that is due to the fact that a modern operating system has a lot of things going on in the background that interrupt the microscope software.

      Anyhow, I brought up this problem with the manufacturer and told him that something like linux might be better since it's easier to have a more fined-grained control over which processes are running under what conditions. Their response was sort of typical, the engineers knew about this already and even had an alpha quality version of the software that ran on linux. The managers, on the other hand, couldn't even pronounce linux correctly and didn't even understand the problem. They said that if enough users ask for it, they'll do it. I guess the users don't ask.

      I have noticed that on some of the non-production machines, such as the software controlling instrumentation at synchotrons, the software is running on some form of unix. So there's hope, but I think we're stuck with windows until the general user actually sees the benefit of a dedicated instrumentation OS over a perhaps ill-fitting, but familiar, OS. For those of us forced to use mission critical windows software, we still have a lot of computers that are forbidden to be plugged into the internet since obviously if just the OS is getting in the way, AV software would get in the way as well. It makes the validating the MS Genuine Advantage a fun experience when you don't have cell reception in a basement lab (nor land line) and no internet connection.

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    6. Re:So what? by HermMunster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As has been shown endless times while testing software, testing in controlled facilities often belies real life experiences.

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    7. Re:So what? by Alef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it's a matter of saying "We're better than they are" as it is a matter of saying "before you accuse us of not testing, take a good look at our investment in testing facilities". Sure, the testing procedures may have been (probably were) flawed, but that's a separate issue from the rampant accusations of them not giving a shit.

      Is it separate? If they have all these testing facilities and the testing procedure were in fact not flawed, then this problem is not caused by negligence but rather deliberate prioritization (i.e. time to market and/or development costs were more important). It other words, it would mean they really did not "give a shit".

      I'm not certain boasting about their testing abilities is the rhetorically smartest thing to do at this moment.

    8. Re:So what? by whoda · · Score: 1

      But somehow, the real life testing using automated systems and real people both observing the data didn't catch the phones "signal strength software miscalculation" problem.

    9. Re:So what? by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Informative

      The fact that they had a bug in their signal strength algorithm is bad, but one can't complain the problem happened because they weren't testing.

      For the last time.. it was not a bug. A bug has unintentional consequences. What they were doing was intentional.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    10. Re:So what? by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

      They choose to do it that way, and were very careful in the creation of that calculation. Even going as far as removing the utility to observe the actual signal strength.

      Their calculation wasn't wrong. The error was in getting caught fudging their numbers.

      --
      Platform advocacy is like choosing a favorite severely developmentally disabled child.
    11. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the last time.. it was not a bug. A bug has unintentional consequences. What they were doing was intentional.

      Proof?

    12. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As has been shown endless times while testing anything, testing in real life is often poorly reproducible due to any number of uncontrolled variables.

    13. Re:So what? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I can't watch the video because it's in quicktime and I'm on a linux machine

      Why would that prevent you from watching a Quicktime video?

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    14. Re:So what? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      But somehow, the real life testing using automated systems and real people both observing the data didn't catch the phones "signal strength software miscalculation" problem.

      Which bring us back to the fact that Engadget didn't see it on 2 out of 3 iPhone 4s either "P.P.S. Since some of you are asking, our review unit showed none of these issues.">

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    15. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't actually use linux. He may have it installed on a partition, but he uses Windows.

      He was trying to increase his Slashdot "karma score." His post was entirely off topic and bashed Windows and praised linux. It got modded +5, so it served its purpose.

    16. Re:So what? by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      Ok, but despite aesthetically impressive testing facilities...what good did any of this do? No offense to apple but my iPhone is about as good as any other wireless device I've used. I have literally never been in a scenario where it's wireless worked and everything else didn't. There are a few low signal and outright dead areas on my train ride home. You can pretty much watch Blackberry users and iPhone users like groan as their access gets killed. So yes, Apple I'm glad you spent $X on testing equipment and I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt that you used it in the new iPhone but doesn't it seem like you could have achieved a better result by simply increasing the number of field test units/areas? Assuming the problems people are reporting are real, it sure didn't take long to show up. I even understand that you can't cover every usage case but at least I'd like to hear what it is you missed and how you are addressing it.

      Also if this is a PR move I'm not so sure it's a good one. Sure the surrealistic test labs will have the fanboys drooling but if the idea is we do awesome testing if the implication isn't "Other people don't" - and considering that nobody else is having quite this problem it casts some doubts of the utility of replicating movie sets for test labs.

    17. Re:So what? by inanet · · Score: 1

      .... In theory, practice is the same as theory... in practice its not?

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  5. That is awesome. by Tailor · · Score: 1

    That doesn't even look like it is real, it looks like the guy in the chair is sitting in the senate from Star Wars. Of course that post had to be written by MG Siegler.

  6. Those fake heads... by OOSCARR · · Score: 1

    Those fake heads may be for cellphone radiation tests http://nyti.ms/b0vioZ

    1. Re:Those fake heads... by Reverberant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also for HATS testing (in fact Apple had advertised positions that required HATS-testing experience).

  7. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inside this room, there's a giant ring that a human sits on a raised chair in the center of.

    Is this really something that readers even though it's valid grammar after editing are in need of?

    1. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this really something that readers even though it's valid grammar after editing are in need of?

      Perfect sense does this to Yoda make. Perhaps of the editor over critical you are, MMMMmmmmm?

  8. Stargate, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The iPhone 4 doesn't have any bug, it has a symbiote!

    1. Re:Stargate, eh? by macs4all · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The iPhone 4 doesn't have any bug, it has a symbiote!

      Now THAT's funny!

  9. Embedded Journalism by kervin · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of the Embedded Journalists traveling with the armed forces in Iraq.

    1. Re:Embedded Journalism by noidentity · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except that Apple is a private company that you can choose not to do business with. They only get your money if you give it to them.

    2. Re:Embedded Journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How is it possible to misunderstand so utterly the kind of similarity he was pointing out? I don't get you people.

    3. Re:Embedded Journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's because most non-ACs on here are idiots who's sense of self-worth is directly related to their Slashdot "karma score".

    4. Re:Embedded Journalism by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Not sure. Help me out here. Honestly.

  10. And yet the missed it. by icebike · · Score: 0

    This seems largely for show. Even the few live testers were forced to hide the phones in bumpers and the missed the finger of death.

    Further, they contract out all of their FCC certification runs.

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    1. Re:And yet the missed it. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the fuck could it be for show? Were they not having a PR problem regarding antennas right now, the inside of this facility would have remained secret. They haven't managed to build this testing facility in Cupertino in the last two weeks.

      Further, they contract out all of their FCC certification runs.

      It wouldn't be much of a certification process if companies did the certification testing for their own phones themselves.

    2. Re:And yet the missed it. by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The tour was for show because it sidestepped the key points. That is,

      1. How with all that testing did they miss the obvious test of just touching the antenna?
      2. Why did they ignore their internal memos that flagged the issue early on?
      3. If they knew about the issue, why didn't they insulate the antenna to begin with?

        I believe they knew about the issue early on. I further believe it's quite possible the engineers had intended to coat the antenna but Jobs didn't like the look of a coated antenna. When it came down to "what are we going to do about this?" the logic that prevailed was "It only affects a minority (left-handed customers) so we'll put the bumpers out there and charge extra. That'll address the problem and bump our ROI on the phone. Problem solved." They failed to anticipate how the decision would blow up in their face and since it's probably Jobs who made the call, it's taken this long for the rest of Apple to convince him he had to acknowledge the mistake.

    3. Re:And yet the missed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you drunk or just stupid?

    4. Re:And yet the missed it. by macs4all · · Score: 0, Troll
      Mods? Parent is INSIGHTFUL??? Just WHERE does that "Insight" come from?

      The tour was for show because it sidestepped the key points. That is,

      How with all that testing did they miss the obvious test of just touching the antenna?

      When did Jobs say they did? I would imagine that they found that it wasn't that much of a problem. And it wouldn't have been, but for the media (and to some extent, Apple) telling everyone EXACTLY where to touch, and then EVERYONE immediately trying it.

      Why did they ignore their internal memos that flagged the issue early on?

      Oh, so you're actually SEEN a copy of said "internal memos"? Because I haven't seen them ANYWHERE, and they would have been copied to the ENTIRE internets by now. STFU, fucktard.

      If they knew about the issue, why didn't they insulate the antenna to begin with?

      Because it wouldn't have helped. Here, read what a REAL antenna expert has to say about "insulation" and GHz-band antenna design. Here's another post after he DID get to do a little informal testing.

      BTW, he DID say that, after doing some more extensive tests, the "bumpers" pretty much made the problem disappear.

      Hint: Next time try to have some REAL FACTS before you start with your UNINFORMED hate-fest.

    5. Re:And yet the missed it. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Many companies in many industries have a long term relationship with regulatory agencies (the FDA, the Underwriters Laboratory, etc.) and thus have accredited facilities to do their own certification testing. It always occurs with some amount of oversight by the outside agency. And it isn't something you can do as a newb to an industry, no matter how much $$$ you throw at it.

      Apple is a newb to the RF design industry, BTW. Companies like Motorola have had FCC certified products for many decades.

    6. Re:And yet the missed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      user name: macs4all

      Clearly NOT an Apple fanboy.
      And the antenna isn't a problem.
      Really.

    7. Re:And yet the missed it. by macs4all · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      user name: macs4all

      Clearly NOT an Apple fanboy.

      user name: Anonymous Coward.

      Name says it all.

      And the antenna isn't a problem.
      Really.

      Actually, it's the ugly-bag-of-mostly-water in proximity to said antenna(e) that's the problem.

      But seriously, Jobs admitted that there DOES seem to be "something to this". He admitted that the data doesn't lie. However, he also said that it seems that a case mitigates the problem; so, WHILE THEY CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE, they will not only give a choice of cases to everyone, but will even refund anyone who has purchased Apple's "Bumper Case".

      BTW, I have read at least one blog post about someone who HAD called Apple to complain earlier, actually receiving an iFrogz Bumper Case via FedEx the same day as the Press Conference. So they are obviously being as "proactive" as possible.

      Speaking of which, if they had KNOWN about this problem, and KNOWN that the Bumper Case would fix it, don't you think they would have just INCLUDED one in the box, or even better, simply shipped the thing with the case already ON it?!?!? JEEBUS!!! They well know that "reputation" is something that takes a long time to gain, and only a minute to destroy. That case isn't going to make or break Apple. They would have nipped this in the bud, if they discovered the problem late in the approval and rollout process!

      That isn't "spin", or "Good PR". It's good Customer Support. Period. Why do you think that Apple consistently ranks in the top five of ALL corporations as far as "Customer Service/Support" goes?

      Anyone who has participated in the design and rollout of a new product, as I have MANY times, KNOWS that "shit happens". And NO amount of testing (lab nor real-world) will EVER equal THREE MILLION PEOPLE, NEARLY ***ALL*** INTENT ON TRYING TO INVOKE YOUR DEFECT!!!

      For Fuck's Sake, the VERY FIRST SLIDE in the Press Conference said simply: "We're not perfect." How much more to the point can you get?

      So, this obviously REALLY didn't show up in testing, or Apple WOULD have fixed it. They simply DON'T release products that have KNOWN defects. That's one of their strong-points. It sometimes (too often, IMHO) means that they actually stand back from the latest tech fads; but when they do something, it USUALLY rulez, both as far as engineering, and from an industrial-design standpoint. Having said that, everyone has better and worse products, and better and worse versions of the same product. Sometimes (and maybe in this case), the version (or product) is BOTH better AND worse.

      There is as much anecdotal evidence to support the argument that the iPhone 4 actually works RELIABLY in many situations that the iPhone 3GS, and even other smartphones, doesn't, as there is that the opposite is true. So much so, in fact, that the data approaches "noise".

      There is also data from Canada and Australia that supports the argument that this problem seems largely, if not COMPLETELY, to the AT&T network. But Apple can't exactly come out and say that, can they? In fact, they can't even HINT at that. Not until they close that secret Verizon deal, at least...

      So, it appears that the Bumpers fix the problem for now, and you can bet there is some Midnight Oil being burned at that ol' Antenna Lab!

      Here's how I see it going down from here on out: There WILL be an iPhone 4.1, likely right about September (the fastest they could get it through the FCC approval process), and Apple will probably extend the "return" offer for anyone to turn-in their undamaged iPhone 4.0 for a 4.1, if they want. Then, those phones that get turned in will get an antenna retrofit kit (or new casing, which includes the new antenna, either way, the fixed antenna will have the same attachment points to the PCB. Apple CERTAINLY doesn't want to trash that many PC board assemblies!!!), and then those phones will be cycled back out, maybe to the refurb/return market, and/or to t

    8. Re:And yet the missed it. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      How the fuck could it be for show? Were they not having a PR problem regarding antennas right now, the inside of this facility would have remained secret.

      For crying out loud, this is a giant exercise in hand waving. Did you even read the article, test labs do not look like that, they look like normal labs with specific cellular testing equipment, the tester is normally watching the output of the equipment, not sitting in some giant foam room with a big ring in it. The whole thing looked like Charlie and the Phone Testing Lab.

      Apple outsource their entire testing and QA, probably to the same people who manufacture these devices. Even FCC approval was done by someone else.

      They haven't managed to build this testing facility in Cupertino in the last two weeks.

      Apple has a majority stake in Disney, if anyone can repurpose a room to look like a high tech testing lab to people who don't know what a testing lab looks like, don't you think it would be a company that owns the worlds most well known amusement park? Would this not be cheaper then recalling hundreds of thousands of phones and retooling a production line.f

      Apple have once again taken the lead in the tour de farce.

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    9. Re:And yet the missed it. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the article, test labs do not look like that, they look like normal labs with specific cellular testing equipment...Apple outsource their entire testing and QA, probably to the same people who manufacture these devices.

      You mean the article that says this in the second sentence: If Apple really wanted to silence critics, they have a place to do so. I've now seen it with my own eyes. Inside Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, CA, there are a collection of rooms that house 17 giant anechoic chambers.

      So we have the word of multiple tech journalists who have taken a tour of Apple's test facilities at Cupertino, versus the opinion pulled out of your ass. The opinion that mobile phone testing facilities don't include anechoic chambers that look like that from someone who's never seen a mobile phone testing facility before.

      Meanwhile not a single engineer who works in a competitors mobile phone testing facility is casting any doubts.

      You may well be the most ignorant poster on slashdot.

      the tester is normally watching the output of the equipment, not sitting in some giant foam room with a big ring in it

      No doubt in photography you mistake the model for the photographer too.

    10. Re:And yet the missed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything electronic has to be FCC certified. Apple isn't a newb at anything.

  11. PR Glitter by ProdigyPuNk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The linked techcrunch article sure does have some pretty pictures, but it just makes it that much more sad that Apple missed something with their million-dollar test chambers that any left-handed person will notice in a day or two.

    1. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The linked techcrunch article sure does have some pretty pictures, but it just makes it that much more sad that Apple missed something with their million-dollar test chambers that any left-handed person will notice in a day or two.

      What Apple is doing is the equivalent of Microsoft showing us the large focus groups they used in developing Vista (note: Microsoft actually did that at one point during their Vista PR campaign. It didn't help).

    2. Re:PR Glitter by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it was an internet meme that Microsoft didn't use focus groups for Vista, then it would be a valid thing to reveal evidence that they did. Likewise, since it's been an internet meme that Apple didn't test the iPhone 4 properly, it's valid to show evidence that Apple does extensive testing of their phones.

      Of course neither focus groups nor testing guarantees a defect free product design.

    3. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If it was an internet meme that Microsoft didn't use focus groups for Vista, then it would be a valid thing to reveal evidence that they did. Likewise, since it's been an internet meme that Apple didn't test the iPhone 4 properly, it's valid to show evidence that Apple does extensive testing of their phones.

      I was under the impression the meme was Apple knew, but they did it anyway, since it looked great.

      It won't be the first time Jobs picks design over engineering.

    4. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the real world. Random selection testing vs millions of real users. It's odd that such a glaring flaw wasn't found but completely normal that millions of users find some problems in a few handsets.

    5. Re:PR Glitter by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see a lot of discussion of robot hands, synthetic hands, synthetic heads, etc. How much time is actually spent, you know, with dirty hands at the construction site? With sweaty hands after a jog? With wet hair and ears, just getting out of a shower? These aren't devices that are meant to be used by robots, they're meant to be used by human, yes icky sticky salty smelly human beings. Considering the problem is the variability of the human hand and modes of usage, I think they need to spend more time in field tests with the actual device. Of course, not leaving them in bars would be a good thing to remind the engineers, too.

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    6. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The linked techcrunch article sure does have some pretty pictures, but it just makes it that much more sad that Apple missed something with their million-dollar test chambers that any left-handed person will notice in a day or two.

      Did they miss it though? Everything I'm seeing that isn't speculation says they've known about this from the early prototype days, and despite a sensitive point being dangerously close to human skin, are confidant it is a better-than-average antenna. Certainly better than any previous iPhone model.

      They even have numbers to back it up: less dropped calls on iPhone 4's than the average across all AT&T customers.

    7. Re:PR Glitter by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 1

      It's also pretty sad that they apparently spent $96 million on foam triangles.

    8. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple did not test it in real world environments. Their iphone 4s had were designed to look as the old models which meant that the holding problem never arose.

    9. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though I agree with your conclusion, you're using that word "meme" a little freely. Investing in a thesaurus would probably benefit you.

    10. Re:PR Glitter by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      I think they need to spend more time in field tests with the actual device.

      Except that the Apple culture/mystique thrives on secrecy; the more you're out in the field, the more likely people are going to spot you testing the new iDevice. They went so far as disguising the iPhone 4 as an iPhone 3GS to test in the field, ironically shielding it from the problem they were trying to find.

    11. Re:PR Glitter by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It's odd that such a glaring flaw wasn't found but completely normal that millions of users find some problems in a few handsets.

      Millions?

    12. Re:PR Glitter by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Apple is a 'design/marketing' company, not an 'engineering' company. The two types of companies have different approaches to design, and different forces within the company drive development.

      H-P used to be an 'engineering' company, and Agilent kinda still is that part.

      The sad thing is that the Woz cut his teeth at H-P back when it was one of THE premiere engineering companies. That might have a certain amount to do with why he now has little to do with Apple.

    13. Re:PR Glitter by BasilBrush · · Score: 0, Troll

      Apple is a 'design/marketing' company, not an 'engineering' company.

      What complete bollocks. Apple has many engineering teams, who create all their products in house. They do great design, great engineering, and great marketing. It's not an either/or.

    14. Re:PR Glitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      How much time is actually spent, you know, with dirty hands at the construction site?

      Apple users work in clean and aesthetically pleasing office buildings, not construction sites.

      With sweaty hands after a jog?

      Apple users don't sweat.

      With wet hair and ears, just getting out of a shower?

      Because they don't sweat, Apple users rarely need to take a shower, but if they do, their bodies dry immediately and their hair, like that of filmstars, is always perfect.

  12. And under those black blankets was lurking... by phonewebcam · · Score: 2, Funny

    the iPhone 5

  13. PR stunt. by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    All for spin control. The real question is how good is this facility compared to other manufacturers. I'll bet Motorola has similar if not better facilities.

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    1. Re:PR stunt. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      All for spin control. The real question is how good is this facility compared to other manufacturers. I'll bet Motorola has similar if not better facilities.

      Well duh! They'll be testing all the same things. Apple isn't saying anywhere that they have the unique and best testing facility on the business. They are simply counteracting the internet meme that they didn't do enough testing. In particular they are demonstrating that the performance of the antenna was tested in great detail whilst held in people's hands and without a case.

      Of course as any engineer (hardware or software) will tell you, no amount of testing will guarantee a defect free product. It'll only reduce the number of defects.

    2. Re:PR stunt. by Trip6 · · Score: 1

      And so I say - spin control. We didn't see this article before the release of the IP4 because they had other PR priorities.

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    3. Re:PR stunt. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Historically, Motorola has been involved in RF testing to the level where they made the test equipment used in labs like these. They also made the critical semiconductors inside everybody's test equipment.

      Comparing (historical**) Motorola to Apple as a technology firm is like comparing Mercedes-Bentz to Kia.

      (** I say 'historical' because Motorola was 'brand split' and broken apart similar to the way H-P has been in recent times)

  14. Yeah, right by sg3000 · · Score: 1

    At one point we were told that the iPad had been in testing in this facility “for years.” Even more interesting may be that the iPhone 4 specifically had been in testing in these chambers for 2 years. You know that means. Not only was the iPhone 5 likely in the same room that we were in. But the iPhone 6 may have been around as well.

    If you believe there's an iPhone 6 in that testing chamber under a black cloak, then Gizmodo has a phone they want to sell you.

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    1. Re:Yeah, right by Me!+Me!+42 · · Score: 1

      "If you believe there's an iPhone 6 in that testing chamber under a black cloak, then Gizmodo has a phone they want to sell you."
      And if you believe there isn't, I've a bridge I'd to sell you (and we all know from court documents etc. who is more likely to possess such items!)

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  15. Little known secret by arcite · · Score: 5, Funny

    A little known feature of iphone 4 is that if you sit in the 'stargate' and have a finger bridging the 'gap' of the antennae, you are able to cross into an alternate dimension that can only be described as 'insanely great'. Take my word for it.

    1. Re:Little known secret by crow_t_robot · · Score: 1

      ...can only be described as 'insanely great'. Take my word for it.

      Most of the reports coming in describe the alternate dimension as 'insanely lonely." ;)

  16. Still don't know when they knew... by HumanEmulator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nearly everything about how Apple has handled this has been wrong. From their disingenuous attempt to rebrand the problem "Antennagate" to stop the media from calling it the "Death Grip", to their feigned surprise that the iPhone signal bar calculation was heavily weighted to make the iPhone look like a strong performer.

    Now they're showing off how much testing the phone went through, which seems indicate they knew it was glitchy from the start. Or did they? I mean after all, in one of the first reviews of the iPhone 4 before it was even released, Walt Mossberg said:

    However, on at least six occasions during my tests, the new iPhone was either reporting “no service” or searching for a network while the old one, held in my other hand, was showing at least a couple of bars. Neither Apple nor AT&T could explain this.

    So the very first review picked up on it, but they didn't have an explanation? They said they waited to have a press conference because they wanted to do testing to determine the problem, but doesn't that undermine the point that you've done adequate testing? Why after their press conference, is it still so unclear if they knew whether skin connecting the antennas was a problem or not?

    The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1, I've seen the glitch and until I got a case it had been affecting my data connections, but I still really like this phone! Is Apple turning us all into battered wives?

    1. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should head to the linux shelter for battered customers right away. Dont worry we wont tell Steve where you are.

    2. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don’t want an iPhone 4, Don’t buy it.
      If you bought one and you don’t like, bring it back.

    3. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.

      --
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    4. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Nearly everything about how Apple has handled this has been wrong. From their disingenuous attempt to rebrand the problem "Antennagate" to stop the media from calling it the "Death Grip",

      Oh yeah? http://www.google.com/search?q=Antennagate&hl=en&safe=off&rls=en&prmd=nlv&sa=X&ei=witDTKDRHYyOjAexpIlV&ved=0CA8QpwU&source=lnt&tbs=nws%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F1%2F2010%2Ccd_max%3A7%2F15%2F2010

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    5. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1, I've seen the glitch and until I got a case it had been affecting my data connections, but I still really like this phone! Is Apple turning us all into battered wives?

      Not really, it just means you have a different set of priorities. Different people have different priorities: some people will take a lame phone if it means they can keep a permanently open SSH connection. Others care about style (and let me troll here and say personally I think iPhone 4 is ugly). I suspect you just enjoy your phone and the connection issue was just a minor annoyance. Other people care about device freedom. It's a matter of preference, there's no such thing as the perfect phone.

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    6. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fellow Anonymous Coward, I salute you for your insight, which otherwise might go overlooked.

      People should never complain, never bitch about flaws, never try to get a company to improve its product. We should just silently consume, or refrain.

      I feel really sorry for Apple. Poor poor gigantic tech company, bullied by blogs and what not.

      Maybe I'll buy a bunch of defective phones just to show my solidarity.
       

    7. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      "The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1, I've seen the glitch and until I got a case it had been affecting my data connections, but I still really like this phone! Is Apple turning us all into battered wives?"

      Not really. We all have numerous devices that have flaws, some even serious, that we continue to use and like. As long as that flaw isn't fatal it generally matters if the device does what we want in the way we want. Apple has a specific way of approaching interfaces with their devices. If you think in the way that their devices are intuitive then you like them a lot, if you do not think in that manner they are frustrating to use.

      If you were turning into a battered wife then you would have convinced yourself that you actually like the glitches and they are the proper way to work. It's not hard to find people saying that, but what you wrote is noting the flaws and having a set of priorities that the flaws do not interfere enough with to make the device unusable.

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    8. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1

      Yes, buying any new piece of technology on "Day 1" does seem rather bizarre.

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    9. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by joh · · Score: 1

      The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1, I've seen the glitch and until I got a case it had been affecting my data connections, but I still really like this phone! Is Apple turning us all into battered wives?

      No, I think that just goes to show that the least possible signal attenuation in all situations is an important factor, but not the only one. If you deal in more attenuation when touching the naked phone in a certain spot (and the iPhone is a very naked phone without a case) for a smaller package and a larger battery and get a real nice smartphone out of it... it may still be a good deal after all is said and done.

      I think Apple knew perfectly well about that tradeoff. They still liked that design good enough to risk it. And while this certainly was a risky decision I'm not really sure it was a bad decision. The first iPhone was risky, too. Sometimes I think the current commotion may be just the new version of "What, a phone with no keyboard? Fail!"

    10. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1, I've seen the glitch and until I got a case it had been affecting my data connections, but I still really like this phone! Is Apple turning us all into battered wives?

      You said 'data connections' which indicates you use it a lot as a non-cellphone. I am much the same and in fact that's why I own an iPod Touch rather than an iPhone. For my purposes a wifi connection is suitable and the connectivity far less expensive, so my cellphone is an inexpensive throwaway model.

      As others have said in various forum threads on this topic recently, the real heavy and experienced 'serious business' cellphone users gravitate away from the ATT network and from Apple's phones. The Apple lineup isn't even really designed for this market. It's a casual phone for casual users designed in parallel with an 'entertainment platform' for mass market consumers. Apple decided that's what they wanted to sell and it's only fair to acknowledge that and not expect more from them.

      A lot of the iPhone market at this point is made up of gadgeteers and geeks, and people who buy what's fashionable. Many aren't really heavy cellphone users. It's not surprising that someone like you appreciates other stuff about it in spite of the 'warts' on it as a cell phone. I'd like to have one, too, but I'd want it untethered from monthly billing as a cellphone (for the camera, etc. that my iPod doesn't have.)

    11. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      The really bizarre thing is I've had an iPhone 4 since day 1, I've seen the glitch and until I got a case it had been affecting my data connections, but I still really like this phone! Is Apple turning us all into battered wives?

      I prefer to think of it as Cognitive Dissonance. You made a decision to get an iPhone and now you have to justify it somehow.

    12. Re:Still don't know when they knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Having made the switch from Mac to Linux, I would say its more like going from the flaming bowels of hell (Mac) into a paradise on clouds, surrounded by ridiculously hot women (Linux).

      I don't imagine from that you can tell which OS I'm more fond of or anything...

  17. Re:Flash video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Except it doesn't.

  18. In Apple's Anechoic Testing Chambers by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    ... no-one can hear you scream

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    1. Re:In Apple's Anechoic Testing Chambers by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      ..because you only have 1 bar, and its flickering on and off, while dummies stare at you.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
  19. I'm right-handed and hold it in my left hand! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    many people do this!

    I use my right hand for dialing, etc

    but honestly, even right-handers hold the damn phone in their left hand most of the time...

    1. Re:I'm right-handed and hold it in my left hand! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you thought that maybe you're left-handed except for writing?

    2. Re:I'm right-handed and hold it in my left hand! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Not AC you're replying to)

      I'm right handed and I hold my phone in my left hand. I'm also deaf in my right ear.

  20. Re:OOooo! BLINDED BY SCIENCE !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I met Ina Fried in a club down in North Soho
    Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like Cherry Cola
    C-O-L-A Cola

    She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
    I asked her name and in a dark brown voice she said, "Lola"
    L-O-L-A Lola, lo lo lo Lola

    Well, I'm not the world's most physical guy,
    But when she squeesed me tight she nearly broke my spine
    Oh my Lola, lo lo lo Lola

    Well, I'm not dumb but I can't understand
    Why she walks like a woman and talks like a man
    Oh my Lola, lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo Lola

    Well, we drank champagne and danced all night,
    Under electric candlelight,
    She picked me up and sat me on her knee,
    She said, "Little boy won't you come home with me?"

    Well, I'm not the world's most passionate guy,
    But when I looked in her eyes,
    I almost fell for my Lola,
    Lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo Lola

    I pushed her away I walked to the door
    I fell to the floor I got down on my knees
    I looked at her, and she at me

    Well that's the way that I want it to stay
    I always want it to be that way for my Lola
    Lo lo lo Lola

    Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls
    It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world,
    except for Lola Lo lo lo Lola Lo lo lo Lola

    Well I left home just a week before,
    and I never ever kissed a woman before,
    Lola smiled and took me by the hand,
    she said, "Little boy, gonna make you a man"

    Well I'm not the world's most masculine man,
    but I know what I am and that I'm a man,
    so is Lola
    Lo lo lo Lola Lo lo lo Lola

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ina_Fried
    Personal
    Prior to June 2003, Fried transitioned from male to female and began using the byline "Ina Fried." Fried had previously signed articles "Ian Fried." [4][13][14]

  21. Anechoic chamber is RF wise safer than the reality by RichMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the anechoic chamber there is going to be one source of RF and there will be no reflections or other paths, only line of sight from antenna to antenna.
    In the real world you are exposed to far more RF. From your cell phone, from the cell phone of everyone else in the neighborhood, from the microwave oven, from every monitor, cpu and everything else.

    The real danger in an anechoic chamber is sanity. The non-reflective cones also absorb acoustics, which make the space a very strange aural experience, which can do funny things to your brain. For one you feel really, really alone, you can't even hear the echo of your own voice.

  22. Re:Flash video by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd be ironic if it did. But it doesn't.

  23. Many potential jokes... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    'junk in the trunk'

    I think they have just coined a new porn phrase.

    the fourth part is a field test, done in vans...

    ... down by the river.

  24. Apple tested what they MUST. by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, as much as Apple annoys me, and they do enough that I stopped using my iPhone and got an HTC desire, I do feel compelled to point something out to you folks, most of whom are not in the wireless industry.

    Apple, and to that extent, all wireless manufactures must perform TRP and TIS testing as laid out in the CTIA Test Plan for Mobile Station Over the Air Performance, which I think are currently at 2.2.2.
    The thing is, OTA testing takes a long time and is actually a lot of money.
    Please note, that for certification, a company can NOT perform this testing on their own. They must use a PTCRB test house, which is independent for what should be obvious reasons.

    As I mentioned, the CTIA test plan looks at both TRP (Total radiated power) and TIS (total isotropic sensitivity) under a few conditions, which are head adjacent(left and right cheek) and free space. This is done in all bands and all modes. That's to say you test the 850 band in GSM. GPRS, EGPRS and UMTS(3g). Each band is tested in full on three channels, the low, mid and highest of the band. Then a single point offset method is applied to all intermediate channels relative to the 3 primary channels in both position and power level to save time.
    This still takes a LONG time.
    A GSM 850 L/M/H TRP in free space takes about 1 hour in a non stargate system (note almost no labs use this system since it uses power meters which have trouble to properly trigger a EGPRS pulse)
    about the same for the same conditions in TIS.
    UMTS though takes about 4 hours for the TIS.
    Now, you take a phone like the iPhone and account for charge times and the like and you are looking at about 3 - 4 weeks of lab time since you can only use 1 phone!
    I also assume that would be lots of cash in lab time. Granted, that's crackers to Apple.
    The point is, all phones on a PTCRB network, to witch ATT is, MUST pass these requirements. This means that Apple had to have passes ALL requirements.
    They did was they were required to do. It just goes to show what you can't catch everything with this testing, but given that it's a rare problem..you can catch most.

    1. Re:Apple tested what they MUST. by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      The thing is, OTA testing takes a long time and is actually a lot of money.

      Apple has a fucking lot of money right now.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    2. Re:Apple tested what they MUST. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, nobody complained that their antennas signals were too strong...

    3. Re:Apple tested what they MUST. by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      The thing is, OTA testing takes a long time and is actually a lot of money.

      Apple has a fucking lot of money right now.

      But they don't have any more time than anyone else.

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    4. Re:Apple tested what they MUST. by macs4all · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Now, as much as Apple annoys me, and they do enough that I stopped using my iPhone and got an HTC desire, I do feel compelled to point something out to you folks, most of whom are not in the wireless industry.

      FINALLY! an INFORMED comment.

      Thank you for injecting some sanity into this otherwise ignorant and pointless hate-fest.

  25. The dead horse by w00tsauce · · Score: 1

    Keeps getting beat cmon

    1. Re:The dead horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep... stinky dead horse... ... guess Portland, Oregon has the best AT&T coverage on the planet... Haven't seen a problem with reception in the 3 weeks I've had the phone.

  26. Other projects... by LongearedBat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    “This lab used to be secret. Most people don’t know it exists,” Caballero told us. Dubbed the “Black Labs,” when I asked about the black cloaks, Caballero said that “we have a lot of other projects going on.”

    Other secret projects? Alien research!!! That's how they stay ahead of the curve. I knew it!

  27. Nothing really special by whoda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It sounds like a newer version of the testing facilities we were using at HP 15 years ago.

    1. Re:Nothing really special by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      One of the things that makes it obvious that they're not really that serious about testing is that they've just stuck it in a building on the main Apple campus.

      Good Anechoic Testing facilities are strategically located in ideal geographical sites, which are always far away from civilization or in low spots so that spurious RF interference isn't a problem. For the best grade of testing, they put the labs waaaaay off somewhere. It's a lonely job working in that sort of facility, and they're usually special third party outfits because it's so specialized and expensive.

      But big companies also like to have an amount of inhouse capability. Apple uses the 'secrecy' aspect of their product development as part of their marketing, so they probably don't like to ship out much testing to outside firms with more expertise. I hope Apple isn't claiming these labs are the only place they do testing.

  28. Cool photos, Standard RF Testing Chamber by xianthax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    good job on the photography but these are pretty standard anechoic RF testing chambers. The only news worthy thing is that Apple is main-steam enough that people actually looked at these photos.

    Any company doing serious RF development will either have their own and rent time in a dedicated testing facility.

    Search google for "anechoic chamber" and you'll find hundreds of photos of such facilities.

    The US Air Force has one big enough to park a C-130 in :)

    1. Re:Cool photos, Standard RF Testing Chamber by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Any company doing serious RF development will either have their own and rent time in a dedicated testing facility.

      Search google for "anechoic chamber" and you'll find hundreds of photos of such facilities.

      Search the Slashdot comments on any iPhone 4 story, and you will find lots of claims that Apple didn't test.

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    2. Re:Cool photos, Standard RF Testing Chamber by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      We're trying to broaden the discussion out, to be about anechoic testing.

      Now, I know this is apple.slashdot.org and not the regular geek site, so we're bound to have trolls like you trying to drag the topic back down into 'apple vs. whatever' screech sessions. But can you give it a break?

    3. Re:Cool photos, Standard RF Testing Chamber by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yaeh, I know, this is Slashdot, so we are going to have trolls like you who will drop off their load on anything remotely about Apple. So go ahead, poop your brains out. You still can't change facts though.

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  29. "Fake" heads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We then went into a room that contained fake heads."

    Or the heads of manager drones that dared defy the will of Jobs? They talk to him at night.

    1. Re:"Fake" heads? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      Nice one...

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    2. Re:"Fake" heads? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      "We then went into a room that contained fake heads."

      Board meeting?

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  30. TOO MUCH APPLE COVERAGE by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iPhone 4 is out. Some people have signal issues due to a design decision. Many people think it's the best phone they've had. Many people think it's the spawn of Satan. Apple held a press conference to give away a fix to the problem. Some people think the fix is ugly and doesn't do anything about the Satan problem. The End.

    This flamewar has been pounding Slashdot for a long time, but since the lost/recovered prototype iPhone 4, it's been ridiculous. Every . Single . Day on Slashdot there has to be an Apple flamewar, and the Anti-Apple jokes now begin to bleed into other stories. Too much coverage, Slashdot. More physics, less phones. Leave the intensive, by-the-minute coverage of mobile phones to Gizmodo and Engadget.

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    1. Re:TOO MUCH APPLE COVERAGE by Wovel · · Score: 0

      It will still outsell every other smartphone (perhaps even non-smartphone) handset on the market and Apple will remain more profitable in the phone industry than its 5 nearest competitors combined.

    2. Re:TOO MUCH APPLE COVERAGE by jo42 · · Score: 1

      /.tards, geektards and blogtards have nothing better to do with their lives than bash on Apple and the things they do. These people are so fucking highly educated, intelligent and creative, that they could do so much better than Apple - if they ever actually got off of their stupid fat asses and got out of their mother's basement into the real world. Apple, Google and Microsoft - watch out! Once these people let loose, they will destroy you...not. Any idiot, moron, retard can sit in front of a computer and bitch, criticize and opinionate - but damn they can't do a real fucking thing in the real world if their lives depended on it. I dare you - if you are so fucking smart, start a company to compete with Apple from scratch and do better.

    3. Re:TOO MUCH APPLE COVERAGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WELCOME TO THE MODERN MEDIA! WHERE 24/7 COVERAGE MEANS YOU HAVE TO COVER THE SAME SHIT A MILLION TIMES AS SENSATIONALLY AS YOU CAN!!!

      Whatever happened to swine flu/bird flu/sars anyhow? I remember there being a huge scare about those being a plague upon mankind and then...nothing.

  31. Standard RF test procedure by Animats · · Score: 1

    It sounds like a newer version of the testing facilities we were using at HP 15 years ago.

    Right. Those are common in the RF community. I used to work in a facility that made military RF gear, and they had some, including one big enough to hold a satellite.

    The other alternative, incidentally, is to test outdoors in an RF-quiet area. Testing for FCC Part 15 RF noise output compliance is often done in a flat, open field, with the device sitting on a wooden turntable. The test gear is stationary, and the device is rotated to check if it's emitting something it shouldn't. For cell phone gear you have to test somewhere that doesn't have anything emitting on cell phnone frequencies, so you either have to test in an anechoic chamber or somewhere remote with no cell phone coverage.

    1. Re:Standard RF test procedure by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the moon then?

  32. Re:Troll alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw what you did here

  33. That's a terrible post... by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    iPhone 4 is out. Some people have signal issues due to a design decision. Many people think it's the best phone they've had. Many people think it's the spawn of Satan. Apple held a press conference to give away a fix to the problem. Some people think the fix is ugly and doesn't do anything about the Satan problem. The End.

    This flamewar has been pounding Slashdot for a long time, but since the lost/recovered prototype iPhone 4, it's been ridiculous. Every . Single . Day on Slashdot there has to be an Apple flamewar, and the Anti-Apple jokes now begin to bleed into other stories. Too much coverage, Slashdot. More physics, less phones. Leave the intensive, by-the-minute coverage of mobile phones to Gizmodo and Engadget.

    Sorry, but your post really doesn't make it clear whether you are for or against the iPhone... How the hell are the Slashdot crowd supposed to mod that?

    Just pick a side and start whining - you'll get the hang of it soon enough. They'll be another iPhone 4 submission tomorrow, so you can try again then.

  34. Re:Anechoic chamber is RF wise safer than the real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great! Let me add that to my "possible alternatives to waterboarding" list: place in anechoic chamber.

  35. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do understand the ins and outs of the antenne problem. Thing is, I still want an Iphone 4 as badly as I wanted it before. Signal coverage in my area is insane, there is no chance I'll ever get less than five bars no matter how you define them. The only reason I don't have one already is that I can't afford it. Oh, and it isn't available yet in my country (not really a problem as I understand how to order it from half way around the planet).

    The Iphone 4 has flaws. So be it. It is still the best smartphone on the market. I will never, ever, buy another HTC after they burned me with a semi-defective firmware on the S-100. Nokia? Ha! Don't make me enumerate the ways I got shanked with those 'phones.

    So, to summarize, what are we talking about here? :-)

  36. Proudly presenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new improved smoke and mirrors: Anechoic testing chambers.

  37. Take the ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... industrial designers that did the iPhone case design and overruled the antenna/RF engineers, put them in the test chamber and turn the microwaves up to 'bake'.

    It really doesn't matter how many fancy anechoic chambers you've got. If the art majors who spec the kewl stainless steel antenna have the last word, its a culture problem, not a technology problem.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Take the ... by joh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... industrial designers that did the iPhone case design and overruled the antenna/RF engineers, put them in the test chamber and turn the microwaves up to 'bake'.

      It really doesn't matter how many fancy anechoic chambers you've got. If the art majors who spec the kewl stainless steel antenna have the last word, its a culture problem, not a technology problem.

      And still most people don't buy technology, they buy products. I mean, they even buy bicycles with no fenders on them. How crazy is that? And last I heard HD even sells vehicles with no roof! You get soaked if it rains! Must also be one of those culture problems. This is clear flaw of their products. Someone should sue them.

    2. Re:Take the ... by PPH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People buy these bicycles and cars because they understand the implications of no fenders or roof. But most customers can't be expected to understand the performance issues associated with poor antenna design. If iPhone customers were informed of the tradeoffs of the cool stainless steel antenna (crappy reception) do you think they'd still make the same choice they did? Its the engineering department's job to ensure a minimum level of performance in the design, particularly when the tradeoffs aren't apparent to potential customers.

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  38. Apple doesn't give a shit? by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they have all these testing facilities and the testing procedure were in fact not flawed, then this problem is not caused by negligence but rather deliberate prioritization (i.e. time to market and/or development costs were more important). It other words, it would mean they really did not "give a shit".

    Steve Jobs said explicitly in his press conference that Apple's decision to use an external antenna was part of a design tradeoff to house the phone in a slim case while offering extended battery life. He even acknowledged that there are designs that would provide substantially improved reception, such as an antenna protruding from the case. So Apple tested the reception of the design, and found that no matter how you hold it, performance was similar or better to that of their previous phone, as independent testers have since found, and concluded that Apple's customers would be happy with the design. So far, the phone is selling quite well, and returns are lower than previous models in the line, suggesting that Apple's estimation of its customers' priorities is pretty accurate.

    I'm not sure how that translates into not giving a shit.

    1. Re:Apple doesn't give a shit? by Alef · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how that translates into not giving a shit.

      The expression was a quote from the parent. To put it a perhaps bit more elegantly, it means that they went through with the design despite knowing it had a reception problem. This is essentially precisely what you just said (although Steve Jobs' word should probably be take with a grain of salt given the fact that he has to handle a PR situation at the moment).

      I'm not going to go into a debate about how bad this problem is from a technical standpoint, since I know too little about it. But at the moment I am more inclined to believe that they have screwed up the antenna design at least to a degree, even though they won't admit it, rather than that they meant it to be like this.

    2. Re:Apple doesn't give a shit? by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      To put it a perhaps bit more elegantly, it means that they went through with the design despite knowing it had a reception problem.

      It depends upon what constitutes a problem, doesn't it? If having reception less than the best that can be achieved is a problem, then pretty much all modern cell phones have a problem, because the best reception clearly will be with a protruding antenna that won't ever be covered by the user's hand. On the other hand, if Apple's testing found the same thing that independent tests are showing --performance that in the worst case is still as good as their older phones--it is easy to see why they would not recognize that as a problem.

      Perhaps, instead of hiring antenna engineers, Apple should have been hiring psychologists to tell them that providing a visual indicator of the worst place to grip the phone is a bad idea, because just as some people can't resist testing the truth of a "wet paint" sign, some people won't be able to resist squeezing the gap.

    3. Re:Apple doesn't give a shit? by Alef · · Score: 1

      It depends upon what constitutes a problem, doesn't it?

      Not really, no. It may depend on whether there is a problem or not, but if there is one and they decide it's not worth fixing it before starting to ship, then they are not "giving a shit" about people having the problem.

      In any case, the problem would be that the phone can allegedly drop calls by the mere fact that you grip it differently. Not so much that the reception is bad per se.

      But I actually don't think this issue really needs to be that big a deal -- they dealt with it fairly well by offering free bumpers, and much of the debate may very well be blown out of proportion (again, I don't know how big the problem is in practice). But this "we knew exactly what we were doing all along" reasoning from Jobs doesn't necessarily helps their case PR wise. If people really are experiencing this, it just makes them come off as jerks. They should admit they may have made a design mistake (it should not be as easy to accidentally short-circuit the antennas), offer a solution (like free bumpers) and be done with it.

  39. Left-handed or right-handed by Leon+Buijs · · Score: 1

    Most right-handed people hold their phone in their left hand, because they use their right hand to dial. That requires more precision. After that you don't take it over to tour left hand because holding it to to your ear is easy, even with your left hand.

  40. Re:Anechoic chamber is RF wise safer than the real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too true. If you stand in the middle of one of these chambers the silences almost hurts your ears.

  41. rf testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i work with rf testing on much smaller scale, it doesnt matter how much money you pur into it, you are still likely to miss some real life scenarios eg left handed people or for example many video face recognition softwares fail to find black people on the picture
    for the simple reason that all testers and programmers were white.

    for signal strenght to vary that much im guessing the antennae is somehow shorted to the phone surface and when hand grips it(about few kohms?) reception goes to hell

    other option is that antennae is very near the phone surface and when covered by hand instead of air the reception peak on frequency axis shifts due to impedance change and again reception goes to hell

  42. Re:Anechoic chamber is RF wise safer than the real by Ironchew · · Score: 1

    The real danger in an anechoic chamber is sanity. The non-reflective cones also absorb acoustics, which make the space a very strange aural experience, which can do funny things to your brain. For one you feel really, really alone, you can't even hear the echo of your own voice.

    Could this be the for-real Reality Distortion Field? I knew Microsoft was trying to get in on the process, but this just takes it all to new heights.

  43. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So $100M test chamber and they still could not figure out that holding it will break it. Maybe they should employ some normal people to test phones.

  44. rubber band by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what's up with the rubber band holding the phone in the testing facility?

  45. gecko-mediaplayer by imtheguru · · Score: 1

    I can't watch the video because it's in quicktime and I'm on a linux machine...

    Perhaps a case of PEBKAC? Install gecko-mediaplayer.

    Cheers.

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  46. Stargate = Satimo SG64 by dbateman · · Score: 1

    These things have been sold for over 10 years by the French company Satimo for the type of rapid antenna measurements that are needed when you're measuring in the presence of a human. Look at the website

    http://www.satimo.com/content/products/sg-64

    This is hardly a sign that Apple is modern, but rather they are following behind the antenna measurement industry,

    D.

    1. Re:Stargate = Satimo SG64 by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      This is hardly a sign that Apple is modern, but rather they are following behind the antenna measurement industry,

      D.

      Because they release the picture now, which to you means they have just installed it, and haven't actually used for anything yet. Did I get your point right?

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  47. Stop the BULLSHIT! by macs4all · · Score: 0, Troll

    Antenna design for hand-held devices at these frequencies and power levels is not exactly trivial, and minimizing the effect of the human body (hand) on the antenna characteristics is the subject of much research in the industry.

    http://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&fileOId=1152137

    http://www.rfm.com/corp/appdata/antenna.pdf

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120848913/articletext?DOI=10.1002%2Fmop.23715

    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/11208/36089/01710996.pdf

    http://e-citations.ethbib.ethz.ch/view/pub:18638

    http://www.waset.org/journals/waset/v49/v49-156.pdf

    http://www.amazon.com/Hands-effect-Shahla-Moradi-Shahrbabak/dp/3639175425

    http://www.google.com/search?q=effect+of+hand+on+antenna&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&ei=GbZBTOP-NIP-8Aaw_aUZ&start=10&sa=N

    http://rfdesign.com/mag/505RFDF1.pdf

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijap/2009/491262.html

    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F4913660%2F4957855%2F04958011.pdf%3Farnumber%3D4958011&authDecision=-203

    http://wireless.per.nl/wireless/articles/08_WIC_correlated_coupled_MIMO.pdf

    http://www.impinj.com/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=2563>

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.66.2119&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    http://202.194.20.8/proc/VTC09Spring/DATA/02-07-08.PDF

    AND THAT'S IN JUST THE FIRST THREE PAGES OF MY GOOGLE SEARCH!!!!!!!!!!

    Note that this "antennaphile" site called the iPhone 4's antenna design "cool", and said to expect to see other manufacturers adopting similar designs.

    Note that the forum thread linked below says that your hand can affect a GHz-band antenna from as far way as 3cm. So where on a phone that is FAR less than 1cm. thick are you going to place that antenna that WON'T have "hand-effects" to some degree? Now, factor in the fact that the FCC MANDATES that the antenna be on the LOWER half of the phone (where your hand naturally grips!), and you can readily see that, as Jobs stated (and demonstrated), EVERY cellphone suffers from the presence of the user. Keep that in mind when you hear people proclaim "NO other phone has these issues." WRONG! EVERY cellphone struggles mightily with this limitation (the presence of the user), during EVERY SINGLE CALL and with EVERY SINGLE USER.

  48. Re:Make-believe is insightful? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

    You are clearly making up a story that you'd really like to believe.

    I'm glad you noticed the part where he said "I believe." His story is the most believable, considering what we know about Apple and their attitude toward design; not many companies have an executive design position. The alternative to his story is that no one at Apple, through all the design, engineering, and testing never encountered or fathomed the idea that touching an antenna would fuck with the signal. I personally find that hard to believe, but if it's true maybe I should send in my resume.

  49. Storm in a teacup by countach · · Score: 1

    This whole thing is a storm in a teacup as far as I see. Apparently in some situations iphone4 is marginally worse than 3 GS and in other situations it is better than 3 GS. And nobody has proven that overall it is any worse or better than Nokia or Blackberry or whoever at actually holding a call. Until someone shows that, there is no story here. None at all.

  50. It's not necessarily a conductivity problem by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    I tried mine with a piece of packing tape, and the phone still showed a 2-3 bar drop when cradled properly (or improperly). I'm going to re-try it with some (known non-conductive) kapton tape as soon as I figure out where I left it, but I'm not confident it will work any better.

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  51. Too bad the moderators all all busy spanking by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

    their bias monkeys.

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  52. Re:Make-believe is insightful? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    considering what we know about Apple and their attitude toward design; not many companies have an executive design position.

    The "executive design position" has brought Apple from near bankruptcy to being the tech company with the largest market capitalisation in the world over the last 13 years. They design by far the best electronic consumer products on the market, the ones that ever competitor tries to emulate. That's because the top leadership believes good design is a top priority.

    The hard core slashdot readership hates Apple because they see them as both successful and non-open - a combination they hate to see. The better Apple are the more it invalidates their open is best philosophy.

  53. Most of the 3 million iPhone 4 owners by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    would agree. I'm one of them. I have absolutely no issues; in the naked "death grip" I lose a bar and still hold calls, even in the middle of my house where my iPhone 3GS and my wife's Centro show no signal. Not a single dropped call yet. Nearly 2GB of data use already for the month on 3G. Live in NYC, where AT&T is supposedly horrible. And what's more, after playing with the "death grip" for about 5 minutes on the first day and finding it to be unimportant to my usage patterns, I immediately put the phone in a case (as most smartphone owners do) to protect my investment and keep it like new for eventual resale.

    What's more, the battery life on the iPhone 4 is mind-blowing for smartpones/supersmartphones, I don't think I've seen another that comes close. I get 2-3 days of heavy use out of it between charges.

    Yes, I grant that if you touch the bare frame in one spot, you'll lose some amount of signal. But for me at least, it's the best smartphone (or phone) I've owned, and even with that spot touched generally outperforms them signal-wise.

    But if you say any of this anywhere or to anyone right now, people ridicule you as being mindless. The anti-Apple storm has created the impression that the device doesn't work at all. People say things like "what good is a phone if you can't make a call" and suggest that iPhone 4 users are so stupid they've actually paid for a device that simply doesn't work so that they can be seen holding it. It's mind-numbingly silly. And yet that's the level of discourse going on here and elsewhere.

    And it's a shame because it's a damn good phone. I think most people (even Android enthusiasts) that actually used one for an hour would come away thinking it was right up there at the top of the heap, competitive with the best from any manufacturer and probably ahead of the game in general.

    But again, say that and you're immediately a mindless fanboi whose mind has been vaporized by Steve's reality distortion field.

    Too bad because there will be people that won't seriously consider it that it would serve very well, and that would enjoy it very much, and they may select alternate and less-well-suited products as a result simply because they didn't even consider the 4 after the national press about this design choice/supposed issue.

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  54. Ironic by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    The linked techcrunch article sure does have some pretty pictures

    Exactly, which is rather ironic given that the article states:

    Basically, they’re rooms where no waves (sound or electromagnetic) can reflect off of anything

    Clearly EM waves with a wavelength ~475nm seem to have no trouble being reflected.

  55. Why feign surprise? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    ...to their feigned surprise [apple.com] that the iPhone signal bar calculation was heavily weighted to make the iPhone look like a strong performer.

    Why would they do this deliberately - it makes no sense. The iPhone has been getting grief as a phone because it kept having reception issues. Far better to calculate the bars properly and then have customers blame the mobile provider instead of the phone manufacturer....at least if you are that phone manufacturer!

  56. Head set by NetNed · · Score: 1

    Strange that no press has been given to the updating to iOS4 resulting in many 3g, 3gs and touch owners losing functionality of the apple supplied head set and it's controls. It's happened on my 3gs and a friends, not to mention 2 others I know with iPod touches.

    1. Re:Head set by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Strange that no press has been given to the updating to iOS4 resulting in many 3g, 3gs and touch owners losing functionality of the apple supplied head set and it's controls.

      No, no, no! That's not how you upgrade an Apple product!

      This is how you do it:

      Step one: Order new version of Apple product.
      Step two: When new version arrives, backup data from old version.
      Step three: Restore back up on to new version.
      Step four: If data is missing, shrug it off as Apple getting rid of backwards compatibility, it's really for your best interests.
      Step five: Throw old version in bin.

      If you followed these steps correctly, you have upgraded your Apple product correctly.

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  57. Who's in denial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Confimed my arse. A blackberry perhaps can maybe sometimes drop signal when you wrap your entire hand around it. The iphone 4 will consistently drop signal when you place a fingertip on it. If you can't see the difference you should get some RDF neutralizer spray.

    1. Re:Who's in denial? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the signal manages to maintain its strength, if an RDF is also enveloping the user?

    2. Re:Who's in denial? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Confimed my arse. A blackberry perhaps can maybe sometimes drop signal when you wrap your entire hand around it.

      Look at the picture - hardly "wrapped your entire hand around it".

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    3. Re:Who's in denial? by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's a well known fact that the RDF works best on guys like you - you are completely detached from reality.

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  58. Re:Make-believe is insightful? by arose · · Score: 1

    The hard core slashdot readership hates Apple because they see them as both successful and non-open - a combination they hate to see. The better Apple are the more it invalidates their open is best philosophy.

    Nice way to draw a conclusion that doesn't follow from the facts as you present them. Just because they are successful doesn't mean they are good (which happens to be quite ill defined as far as technology goes).

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  59. Stargate by jprupp · · Score: 1

    So the iPhone antenna is goa'uld technology, but the dissappearing signal would be the Nox.

  60. In you long winded and utterly useless rant by mjwx · · Score: 1

    In you long winded and utterly useless rant you seemed to have missed something an apprentice electrician could spot.

    The problem is Electrical Length. Electrical length dictates what frequencies an antenna can receive and transmit. When you touch a naked antenna you become part of that antenna and change the electrical length. This causes the antenna to pick up the correct frequency as noise or at least very noisy. This is the Iphones problem. As for dealing with noise and EM interference, that is so far beyond electrical length it's not funny. Apple failed basic electrical engineering and you are trying to convince us that other manufactures are having the same problem as Apple, Apple is nowhere near the likes of RIM, Nokia and HTC in dealing with EM interference because they couldn't even manage to grasp that the human hand changes the electrical length of the aerial.

    This is very simple science, please stop trying obfuscate it. The problem is with the antenna being external, not with the human hand. Most phones deal with the human hand and lose less then 10% of the signal strength but due to the fact that the hand is not in contact with the aerial (I.E. the aerial is insulated) it does not change the frequencies the aerial receives and transmits. Further more if you even bothered to read some of the links you posted, you'll notice that the closer you get to a tower, the less a hand interferes with a signal (% wise), this is not true with an Iphone.

    So please as you so eloquently put it, stop the bullshit.

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    1. Re:In you long winded and utterly useless rant by macs4all · · Score: 1

      In you long winded and utterly useless rant you seemed to have missed something an apprentice electrician could spot.

      Well, an Apprentice ELECTRICIAN would hardly be designing antennas. He'd be installing house wiring. So now that we've established your engineering credentials (or rather, lack thereof), let's proceed to the "substance" of your "argument".

      Electrical length dictates what frequencies an antenna can receive and transmit. When you touch a naked antenna you become part of that antenna and change the electrical length.... [etc, etc, blah, blah, woof, woof]

      True enough. However, if you'd bothered to actually even GLANCE at any of the academic papers I'd linked (instead of simply dismissing them as a "useless rant"), you would have quickly picked up that some antenna designs are more sensitive to this effect than others. In fact, some are actually HELPED (a little) by "hand effect". "Detuning" by "changing the electrical length" is NOT the problem. If this were a Helical Coil design, then yes; but it isn't. Apple chose an antenna design that was relatively immune to these effects. In fact, if I'm reading the stuff correctly (and I am an embedded developer, but admittedly no antenna expert), I believe that the iPhone 4's antenna system is a "modified loop"-type. These are nearly totally immune to the effects of body capacitance. I was frankly surprised to read this, too; but dem's da facts. Next time READ BEFORE RANTING.

      But, being an Apprentice ELECTRICIAN, you wouldn't know about that. Stick to stripping Romex and wiring junction boxes.

      Think about it. If what you were saying was true, then it wouldn't matter WHERE you touched the iPhone 4, the signal would degrade. But that is OBVIOUSLY not the case. IMHO, what is actually happening when you "short out" the two antenna systems by touching the "Gone Spot", you are capacitively coupling the two radios together, and the resultant (really strong) Bluetooth and/or WiFi TRANSMIT signal coupling through your skin into the GSM antenna is causing the Automatic Gain Control circuitry in the GSM RECEIVER's front-end circuitry to cut the gain down. Since the receiver is now turning down it's own sensitivity, guess what? It "turns down" the signal it is trying to receive, too. Boom! Call drop. It is NOT a detuning problem. This is exacerbated by the fact that, IIRC, both WiFi and Bluetooth protocols seem to want to TRANSMIT some stuff all the time, even when not "connected". Unfortunately, I would bet that the AGC circuitry is integrated into the chipset, and thus somewhat difficult to "tweak". I'd really like to see someone try turning on "Airplane Mode", which shuts down the WiFi TRANSMIT, and see if the "death grip" effect is reduced or eliminated. I don't know if you can shut down BT (as well as WiFI); but if you could, that would be even more interesting. I would be willing to wager a small amount of money that the problem disappears or is greatly reduced if you eliminate the capacitive coupling of the BT/Wifi TRANSMIT signals into the GSM receiver, by turning the BT/WiFi transmitter OFF. That would neatly disprove your "detuning" theory.

      Apple failed basic electrical engineering and you are trying to convince us that other manufactures are having the same problem as Apple, Apple is nowhere near the likes of RIM, Nokia and HTC in dealing with EM interference because they couldn't even manage to grasp that the human hand changes the electrical length of the aerial.

      This is so ignorant a statement as to be laughable. You are actually trying to convince someone that Apple, who can hire ANYONE they want, somehow managed to find 18 Doctorate-level RF engineers that didn't understand hand capacitance? Dream on, Mr. Apprentice ELECTRICIAN.

      Most phones deal with the human hand and lose less then 10% of the signal strength

      Citation, please. That's not what dozens of people complaining about, and demonstr

  61. Re:Make-believe is insightful? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    Nice way to draw a conclusion that doesn't follow from the facts as you present them. Just because they are successful doesn't mean they are good (which happens to be quite ill defined as far as technology goes).

    Nice way to derail his frantic fanboi wank with a logic lesson, you cock-blocking hater you. ;)

  62. Re:Anechoic chamber is RF wise safer than the real by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    You aren't kidding about that. I used to have to test WiFi gear in a chamber like this for hours at a time. I wouldn't say that being in there was anything that would drive you nuts unless you were in there for weeks or months, but it was creepy.

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