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Google Nabs Patent To Monitor Your Cursor Movement

bool2 writes "Google has been awarded a patent for displaying search results based on how you move your mouse cursor on the screen... Google's plans are to monitor the movements of the cursor, such as when a user hovers over a certain ad or link to read a tooltip, and then provide relevant search results, and ads, based on that behaviour. It means that it does not require users to actually click a link to know that they were interested in it, opening a world of opportunity for even more focused ads."

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  1. Adverts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fuck adverts.

    1. Re:Adverts... by stonewallred · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good, I will keep a window open with the picture of a rabbit with a pancake on its head and have my cursor on it most of the time. Let them figure out what targeted ads to show me then.

    2. Re:Adverts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The mouse-listening will be multiplexed to DHS and trust me, they don't take it lightly on rabbit with pancake hovering weirdos like you.

    3. Re:Adverts... by DigitAl56K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fuck adverts.

      Really? So you're willing to pay a monthly subscription to all your favorite search engines, news sites, etc. then?

  2. Hover on this comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hover on this comment and it will change to something relevant.

    1. Re:Hover on this comment by somaTh · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, now it's Schrödinger's advertisement?

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    2. Re:Hover on this comment by jgagnon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not if I install the latest version of MouseBlocker+!

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    3. Re:Hover on this comment by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly. This goes beyond searches submitted to Google. Hopefully it will be opt-in only.

    4. Re:Hover on this comment by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just hover your mouse near the opt-in checkbox and it'll automatically be checked for you.

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    5. Re:Hover on this comment by jgagnon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm... I wonder if it is possible for a plug-in to trap mouse movements and invoke/ave the link pointed at but report back to the browser engine that something else happened. *face thinking*

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    6. Re:Hover on this comment by tuxgeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firefox w/ Adblock and NoScript may be of some use here already.
      Just block all google related scripts
      Nothing to see here, move along

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  3. Better Google than Amazon... by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wouldn't want to deal with no-click shopping.

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    1. Re:Better Google than Amazon... by MikeTheLiberal · · Score: 5, Funny

      This gives me incentive to shake my mouse while browsing. Although, I'll probably get ads for Parkinson's Disease if I do. :)

    2. Re:Better Google than Amazon... by dintech · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wouldn't want to deal with no-click shopping.

      My wife already handles this for me. :(

    3. Re:Better Google than Amazon... by FlyMysticalDJ · · Score: 3, Funny

      This gives me incentive to shake my mouse while browsing.

      Is that what they call it nowadays?

  4. Re:Too invasive by dmmiller2k · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just wait until low-cost eyeball tracking is perfected. Now, if I could only get everyone to wear my patent-pending tin-foil anti-tracking helmets, I'd make a fortune.

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  5. Not Accurate Metrics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about people who inadvertently leave their cursor at a certain spot that happens to be a link while reading the results? It seems to me that this wouldn't produce very useful information.

    1. Re:Not Accurate Metrics. by orgelspieler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, I still browse with keyboard commands sometimes. I can go quite a while without even touching the mouse. But I say we encourage them to collect more and more data. Especially useless data like this. It makes the real nuggets of important info harder to find.

    2. Re:Not Accurate Metrics. by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems like that would be easy enough to sort out. If someone moves their cursor toward something, then away that might be a potential interest. If they leave the cursor in one place for an extended period of time, probably not interest, it's probably "reading." Seems like it wouldn't be too hard to tell if the page had a lot of text as well. Similarly, if you walk away from the computer, the cursor is going to be in one place for a comparatively long time, they'd presumably be able to tell that it was idle.

    3. Re:Not Accurate Metrics. by Sparks23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I now see a bright side to the 'touchscreen devices can't support mouse movement and Javascript hover behavior' complaints about web development for Android, iPhone, iPad, WebOS etc.

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  6. Re:I assume webkit will be properly protected by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good luck, a basic part of javascript ui coding is knowing where the mouse is.

  7. A great user experience awaits in 2030 by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thanks Google, for the disclosure of this invention which society will be free to benefit from in 2030.

    Some will say that the game is broken and Google is just obliged to play the game too, but in that case, they could make a promise not to use this patent aggressively. Since there's no such promise, all we can say is that they're stockpiling dangerous patents.

    1. Re:A great user experience awaits in 2030 by john83 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I do recall seeing an interview in which a Google executive (I forget which one) was asked about patents. He replied that Google was only interested in defensive patents. Of course, that statement isn't exactly binding, but even the links you've given claim that Google has never sued anyone for patent infringement.

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    2. Re:A great user experience awaits in 2030 by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If anyone could post the link to that interview, it would be good to have.

      I'm certainly happier that this patent is going to Google than to MS or a troll, but companies change and twenty years is a long time.

    3. Re:A great user experience awaits in 2030 by Raenex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft used to be in the same position. Bill Gates wanted patents for defensive purposes. For a long time they didn't sue anybody over them. That changed.

  8. The only problem with that... by supersloshy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is most people I know use their eyes instead of their mouse to see. Why would you need to move your mouse over to a certain part of the screen when you can just look there? Also, there's times where the mouse is just sitting in a portion of the screen idly, or sometimes people randomly move their mouse around to fulfill their OCD-ish needs (I'd know, I do that). A better alternative would simply be to see which links people end up clicking, which I'm pretty sure lots of search engines already do, and it works very well from what I've seen.

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    1. Re:The only problem with that... by treeves · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll go further and say that I tend to move the cursor AWAY FROM where I'm looking so as not to be distracted by it or cover things up. They'd get a negative correlation with what I'm interested in from my cursor movement. But maybe they already know that.

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    2. Re:The only problem with that... by Monchanger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As with all the various habits mentioned in this topic, your case will either be factored into the algorithm, or disable it for you if you are truly too random for the algorithm. There's no reason to assume the algorithm won't be personally tailored to the extent you provide a unique visitor profile.

      People tend to forget that algorithms are where Google excels. They shouldn't to be underestimated so easily.

    3. Re:The only problem with that... by hierofalcon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't have OCD. I have CDO. That's like OCD but the letters are in the right order.

    4. Re:The only problem with that... by gorzek · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unfortunately, he did too much LDS and it interferes with his ODC.

    5. Re:The only problem with that... by RossumsChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "sometimes people randomly move their mouse around to fulfill their OCD-ish needs."

      You aren't kidding. Back in the earlier days of the Internet, I used to have my color palette inverted, so I was more comfortable with white text on a black background. I got fond of it, but as the internet began to rely more and more heavily on embedded and background images and that started resulting often in pages I couldn't see or wouldn't render properly, I finally went back to the 'normal' palette. Now I find I compulsively highlight text with the mouse, sometimes text I'm reading, because it makes it "look right" according to what I'm used to, and sometimes just random text or links as I glance at them, even if I have no interest in them. I'm also constantly rehighlighting and unhighlighting text as I read it, often without realizing it unless someone else is reading over my shoulder (in which case I drive them a wee bit nuts).

      As a result, my cursor movement would drive any analysis software completely batshit, as it would appear like my cursor made click-through decisions, then dropped into a psuedo-random walk+click+drag routine while I read each page, without ever accidentally clicking a link until I was ready to move on.

      I figure I can't be the only one that does this.

    6. Re:The only problem with that... by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why would you need to move your mouse over to a certain part of the screen when you can just look there?

      Because something useful pops up when you do, obviously. Try the new Google Image Search to see what I mean.

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  9. Re:I assume webkit will be properly protected by Tom9729 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This can be done right now in any browser unless you turn off or restrict JavaScript.

  10. sadly, my first thought was by SLot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Michael J. Fox isn't worried about this patent.

  11. Good luck with that ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wiggle the mouse and randomly highlight text while I'm reading -- it used to confuse and baffle co-workers. Mostly it's just keeping my hand busy.

    If they can infer anything meaningful from what is essentially doodling with the mouse, good luck with that. What I'm highlighting or hovering over has little to do with how they might be able to advertise to me. Heck, I think it would be funny to see the results.

    And, I somewhat agree with the observations in TFA that there might be some privacy issues here. I already block google analytics on most of my machines.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that ... by dintlu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I highlight text, too.

      Some people hover over the text that they are reading, moving the mouse in parallel lines across the screen and indicating to Google the speed at which they read,
      Some people don't move the mouse at all while reading.
      Some people throw the mouse to the corner of the screen while they're reading.
      Some people hover over ads but don't click. Others avoid hovering over ads.
      Some people's behavior changes when they use a laptop versus a desktop.

      Most of the people I know consistently perform a single mousing behavior on websites, and there's a finite amount of variation between individuals.

      The idea to observe people's idiosyncratic behaviors in order to classify them into actionable categories is pretty obvious, though, and I don't see how Google's saying "This *specific* behavior, in this *specific* industry" in a patent application qualifies them to prevent other organizations from performing this sort of analysis.

  12. Re:scary company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uh, Google is already doing that. Search suggestions, tracking the typing speed in form fields (they really do this, apparently so they can detect bots, but it opens up all of those possibilities)... They also see what link you click on their search results via background http request when you click it.

  13. Legally by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is the difference between this and a keylogger?

    It's one thing to record commands I have sent to their computers by clicking. It's another thing entirely to track things I do on MY computer. I foresee a lot of legislation in Google's future.

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    1. Re:Legally by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They wouldn't be tracking your mouse movements anywhere other than when you are on their page.

            When I click on something, it is implied that I am giving them permission to do something. That's how the internet works, after all. Google and others have up to now taken liberties with click data, assuming that they can do what they want with it. And so far, no one has seriously objected.

              However just visiting a page, with no warning that I am going to be "tracked", does not imply consent to be "tracked". I have indicated a desire to visit a page, nothing more.

      They can already collect this data. It's called a "mouseover" event.

            That is done by my browser, and the information stays on my browser. My browser doesn't (up to now) send mouseover events to a server and have the server read those and serve me content based on it. The HTML/javascript reacts in pre-arranged ways when the event happens, nothing more. No data leaves my computer.

      meaning every keypress is sent directly to the host rather than text boxes being simple text boxes.

            Again legally it could be argued that because the purpose of a text box is to collect data, the user is aware that what they enter into the box will be sent over the internet. So whether it's done instantly or after pressing Enter or a button is a moot point.

            However the mouse is an input device between you and your computer. They are not allowed to listen in on THAT conversation, record it, process it, and even sell it, without your explicit permission. That permission, up to now, has been granted by the click of a link or a button. What they are trying to do is ASSUME that they have permission, without your consent. Hey I am not even a lawyer and I can see how tricky this can be. Real lawyers must be salivating...

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    2. Re:Legally by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Websites have been doing this for at least a few years now already. They've got heat maps that show where people keep their mouse. I don't really see how Google's idea is any different, unless they feed it through some mouse gesture software to get a deeper meaning.

    3. Re:Legally by Dhalka226 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is done by my browser, and the information stays on my browser. My browser doesn't (up to now) send mouseover events to a server and have the server read those and serve me content based on it. The HTML/javascript reacts in pre-arranged ways when the event happens, nothing more. No data leaves my computer.

      That's only half true. As a web developer, I have never personally developed any sort of mouse tracking software but I can tell you unequivocally that I could easily register a listener for mouse move (move, not hover or click which are both also possible) events and fire an AJAX request (or similar) to myself to log it. If I did it right I could re-create your entire experience with my page in terms of where you moved, when, in what order. In fact I can guarantee you there are sites doing this to some extent right now.

      This could be blocked by something like NoScript, of course. I don't know if Google's proposed solution is similar, but suggesting that the current state of things has no data leaving your computer is not accurate. In fact your entire quote is only accurate if somebody has either gone out of their way to prevent such things from working, or somebody has chosen not to do it. I have seen links that you mouse over and get advertisements for. It's rudimentary and rather sucktastic, but it exists. The only limitation is each website has to do it or install something that does.

      However just visiting a page, with no warning that I am going to be "tracked", does not imply consent to be "tracked". I have indicated a desire to visit a page, nothing more.

      Don't worry, they'll bury it in the terms of service somewhere.

  14. Re:Too invasive by jgagnon · · Score: 3, Funny

    He suffers from premature clicking. There's an app for that, but he's too embarrassed to buy it.

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  15. For me, it'll be incorrect data by Tomahawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I'm reading something, I move the mouse out of the way. So, if Google want to track what I'm interested in, they'll need to look at what the mouse is _not_ hovering over, or certainly not stopped over.

  16. There is all sorts of prior art on this.... by Chineseyes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've worked at two companies where we created libraries for monitoring cursor movement, what the business folks used it for I'm not certain but this has been done over and over. What is so new and innovative about their implementation that it is patentable?

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  17. Hooray! by zmollusc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am all for more focused ads. I dream of the day i will get an advert for something i will actually buy.

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  18. This isn't fair. by RabbitWho · · Score: 5, Funny

    If we weren't supposed to stroke men and women in ads then the cursor wouldn't change into the shape of a hand.

    What am I supposed to do now?

  19. Boxy Ads by ctchristmas · · Score: 2, Funny

    I fully expect within the next two years all monitors will come equipped with a special extending boxing glove robot arm that will punch you in the face with advertisements. That way you have no option but to look as you get punched in the eye with an ad and you will never forget it.

  20. No, there isn't, nor is it obvious... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've worked at two companies where we created libraries for monitoring cursor movement, what the business folks used it for I'm not certain but this has been done over and over. What is so new and innovative about their implementation that it is patentable?

    First, to say something is prior art, you have to read the claims of the patent, not the title of the Slashdot summary. For one, were your two companies providing search results and modifying the relevance of the results based on the cursor movement? Probably not.

    Second, flip through the comments here on Slashdot:
    Good luck with that
    For me, it'll be incorrect data
    The only problem with that...
    Not accurate metrics.

    Apparently, ordinary "skilled in the art" programmers and computer folks think that this method won't work, will have problems, will yield inaccurate metrics, etc. If people are saying something won't work, then it's seemingly obvious to them not to try it. The person who said the Wright brothers' machine could never fly probably didn't think that it was an obvious flying machine. Same thing here.
    Apparently, the idea has some problems with it before it is a usable solution. If Google has solved those problems, then good for them!

  21. Re:They know that by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course they do.

    Welcome to the art of Inverse Patents.

    You patent the "sexy" form of the Patent concept, but you implement it 1-X. "Draw a burst radius around what you moved your mouse away from to read and correlate with subsequent clicks".

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  22. Re:This isn't a story about "spying". by Monchanger · · Score: 2, Informative

    People have done this and got bored with it 2 years ago or more.

    If you had RTFP, you'd know that Google's patent application was initially filed in Dec., 2004. That's a little over 2 years ago in case you couldn't figure it out.

  23. it has to be said... by slick7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, mouse tracks you.

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  24. Re:One Word: Tablet by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You’re missing the point. As long as you have some sort of “hover” action, this applies – in fact, since useful information is often hidden until you mouse-over something, hardware designers are constantly trying to find better ways of implementing hover on touch interfaces.

    Go check out Google’s new-and-improved image search results page for a perfect example of this sort of thing. They’ve completely done away with the text surrounding each image – hovering over one of the results for a moment enlarges it and reveals the associated text (URL and text blurb from the page containing it).

    In other words, for example, if you perform a search and hover the mouse over all the pr0n on the first page to get a better look, page 2 is going to be dynamically re-sorted to give you more pr0n, and the advertisements will change to ads for adult websites.

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  25. Curious when Google-hate will begin by bonch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since Apple-haters have completely taken over Slashdot (look at the article openly insulting all iPad users), I'm curious when opinions will turn on Google. Snooping on WiFi networks and archiving their data wasn't enough, CEO Eric Schmidt telling people concerned about privacy that they have something to hide wasn't enough...will tracking your mouse cursor be the final straw? I'm genuinely curious what it will take to push Slashdotters against Google. It's not as if this is an open source company--their primary businesses, search and advertising, are as closed source and proprietary as Windows.

    1. Re:Curious when Google-hate will begin by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They've been on the fence with me for some time. I'm looking at setting up an email server on a VPS with a Roundcube webmail interface as a Gmail replacement. I wouldn't be so creeped out at Google if they could keep my email separate from my other activities, but when I'm logged into Gmail they track where I'm going on Google SERP pages >_>

      Creepier still, I set up another Gmail account based on my real name for dealing with potentially uncool business contacts that forwards to my personal account. The level of integration that's been made between the two in the Gmail interface is as disturbing as it is brilliant.

      Google wasn't scary at all back when I got my Gmail account invitation all those years ago, but things have changed.

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