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Pizza Lovers Suffer Data Breach From Hell

netbuzz writes "Some 230,000 New Zealanders have been informed that their personal information has apparently fallen into the hands of hackers who compromised the network of a locally famous food chain, Hell Pizza. The company says it suspects 'a rogue employee,' but one security expert says Hell's ordering portal is 'about 50 steps of fail.' Several New Zealand celebrities are among the victims and at least one is taking the matter in stride, musing: 'My Twitter has been hacked, my Facebook has been hacked and I'm pretty sure half of New Zealand has my phone number already. I have nothing bad to say about Hell.'"

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  1. The Good Old Pizza Times by PizzaAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    This reminds me of the time when I was 13. We had just got out of school and bicycled home. You know why? Because I, let me clarify _I_, had this new awesome game Lemmings. When we got to my house, I would fire up my Amiga and we would just laugh at the stupid lemmings jumping to their death if I didn't do something to stop them. Making them dig, guide others, or give them umbrellas - it was great.

    The problem was that later on we obviously got hungry. This happened many times. Someone had to go get some food. Pizza was the obvious choice. But who would it be? I didn't want to. So we played a game of rock paper scissors. Damn, I lost. I tried to have an another round, but they didn't let me. There was nothing I could do.

    I had to get up my ass and go get pizza. I asked my friends what they wanted. Adam said he wanted a delicious Pepperoni pizza. Jim said he wanted a Hawaiian pan pizza. I tried to remember their choices and took my bike. On the way over to the restaurant I tried to think what I want. Supreme pizza, double-cheese or maybe double bacon cheeseburger pizza?

    I arrived at the pizza place. The taste was beautiful. I felt like I was home. I walked in and ordered three large pizzas, mine being the double bacon cheeseburger pizza. I felt so hungry. I just wanted to grab the pizza and eat. When the pizzas came, I had to eat there. I also took a few pieces of my friends pizzas because I wanted to taste them. Man I was happy.

    Back then we didn't have credit cards, so I paid with the small amount of money that was in my pocket. No problems for the vendor, no problems for me, and everything worked greatly. The lesson being - pay with cash.

    1. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought the lesson was..

      "Don't let your asshole friend go to get the pizza, cause all he'll bring you home is a couple of cold slices"

    2. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by Fluffeh · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had to get up my ass and go get pizza. I asked my friends what they wanted. Adam said he wanted a delicious Pepperoni pizza. Jim said he wanted a Hawaiian pan pizza. I tried to remember their choices and took my bike. On the way over to the restaurant I tried to think what I want. Supreme pizza, double-cheese or maybe double bacon cheeseburger pizza?

      So, PizzaAnalogyGuy, there seems to have been a little bit of a mix-up. This story wasn't supposed to get published till Christmas and your dream story ended up on /.

      Between me and you, don't be expecting anything big under the tree in a few months. You can however, cherish this story, and the fact that you got first post on it.

      *sips coffee*

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    3. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back then we didn't have credit cards, so I paid with the small amount of money that was in my pocket.

      Did you have to move aside the onion you wore on your belt as that was the fashion at the time?

    4. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by pookemon · · Score: 1

      They didn't have Amiga's back in Nineteen-Splickety-Two! The Kaiser stole them!

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    5. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by SpzToid · · Score: 1, Informative

      replying due to unintentional mod.

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    6. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by pinkushun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought the lesson was: If you fetch the chow, you're entitled to a service fee, payable in consumables purchased. Hmmm Lemming Pizza :P~

    7. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had to get up my ass...

      That's got to hurt!

      Your story reminds me of a High School job I had making pizzas.

      It was years before I could eat a pizza that I didn't make myself.

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    8. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by syousef · · Score: 1

      I thought the lesson was..

      "Don't let your asshole friend go to get the pizza, cause all he'll bring you home is a couple of cold slices"

      No, the lesson is send your asshole friend who can't play rock, paper, scissors for shit to go get fat on pizza while you use his Amiga. Why the fuck should you pay for one? When he gets back with cold pizza refuse to pay cause hey he ate most of it and it's cold, then tell him it's time to go home.

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    9. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by McGruber · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I follow you -- can you make your point with a calzone analogy?

    10. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by ctchristmas · · Score: 1

      I wonder if he took his pet rock to get the pizza or if it stayed to play Lemmings.

    11. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone else think this was going to end with the police nabbing his friends while he escaped into the snow and later erasing his history to become a whitehat hacker?

    12. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by operagost · · Score: 1

      It takes a special talent to mess up a pizza analogy on an article about pizza. Bravo! (pizza)

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    13. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Don't be so hard on the kid. He just got his copy of Lemmings recently - and you know - it is a difficult age (!)

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    14. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but this is New Zealand, we've essentially been 'cashless' since the mid 1980's when ATMs and EFTPOS took over.

      No-one ever writes cheques here anymore, and it would be a rare day where I have _actual_ cash in my wallet.

      Everyone here uses Electronic Funds Transfer for almost EVERY small purchase, from a cup of coffee to groceries, takeaway food, fuel, electronics etc...

    15. Re:The Good Old Pizza Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Just me? You haven't seen Sneakers and you call yourselves hackers?

  2. Security audits? by strayant · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shouldn't they be audited routinely if they conduct business online?

    1. Re:Security audits? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Uh... oh yeah, you mean "security audits." Yeah, uh, sure, we do that.

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    2. Re:Security audits? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't be surprised if they just had IT security audits done by KPMG and Ernst & Young while the data was being pulled out by the truckload through a gaping hole, just like the Latvian banks...

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  3. It's a concern... by astroengine · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd hate it if half of New Zealand knew how much pizza I eat.

    1. Re:It's a concern... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that NZ is on the other side of the world I couldn't care less what half of NZ know about my pizza habits.

    2. Re:It's a concern... by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      So, thank god you're like the other 99.6% of the world, and you DON'T live in New Zealand.

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    3. Re:It's a concern... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its actually a really nice place. Without a doubt the best place I have been outside Australia. Their government is small scale, but it seems to work better that way.

    4. Re:It's a concern... by MachDelta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually that's 99.936%, sir.

      Oh god, I think I just overexnerded myself. :(

    5. Re:It's a concern... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

      To be fair, he was including the sheep.

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    6. Re:It's a concern... by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its actually a really nice place. Without a doubt the best place I have been outside Australia.

      So you've just been there and Australia then?

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    7. Re:It's a concern... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Its actually a really nice place. Without a doubt the best place I have been outside Australia.

      So you've just been there and Australia then?

      I live in Australia but I have been to NZ on holiday.

    8. Re:It's a concern... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Yeah agreed. Lovely country and I'd agree - best I've been to outside Australia in terms of where I'd want to live. And I've been to: the UK, the US, Canada, France, Singapore, Fiji (and Australia and NZ obviously).

    9. Re:It's a concern... by mb1 · · Score: 1

      We'll still take that, thanks.

    10. Re:It's a concern... by mb1 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Woah. Hilarious. Got anything else?

    11. Re:It's a concern... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, you also clearly have no sense of humor.

    12. Re:It's a concern... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the 1950s were lovely.

    13. Re:It's a concern... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      If you can stomach the institutionalised racism.

      Eg; your bereavement leave entitlement depends on your race. If you are 'non-Maori' you get three days. If you are Maori you get 'as much time as you need to fulfil your cultural responsibilities'.

      Personally, I abhor this kind of thing; the only time your parentage should be of interest to the government should be on matters of nationality, not bereavement leave.

      I'm disgusted with New Zealand.

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    14. Re:It's a concern... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Native Americans get benefits. Australian aborigines get subsidies for housing, education, land. All of this is payback for all the raping and pillaging which went on when Europeans were colonizing their land. Its not specific to NZ, though the Maoris are probably in a better state than the other examples I gave. The way they are going, Australian aborigines will hardly exist in a couple of generations.

    15. Re:It's a concern... by agm · · Score: 1

      Our (I'm a NZer) government is small scale? Are you serious? It's nothing of the sort. We have an entrenched socialist system here, and as such it is not small scale.

    16. Re:It's a concern... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Under the UN convention on human rights its not appropriate to punish children for the crimes of their parents.

      And in this particular case, even if its 'payback' against New Zealanders of British descent, how about descendants of the newcomers who are of, say Chinese descent and who had nothing to do with the original colonisation? I guess they aren't even covered by the 'treaty of waitangi' and have no rights at all?

      Much in New Zealand society appears to be premised on the notion that if your ancestors arrived during a particular wave of colonisation then they get different rights to someone else whose ancestors arrived in a different wave of colonisation.

      All New Zealanders are either colonists or the descendants of colonists.

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    17. Re:It's a concern... by dullnev · · Score: 1

      Yes, ewe also clearly have no sense of humor.

      There, fixed it for ya...

    18. Re:It's a concern... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Under the UN convention on human rights its not appropriate to punish children for the crimes of their parents.

      I don't necessarily think you are wrong but I do think that the provisioning of alcohol to people who have no innate tolerance for it could be construed as chemical warfare. Thats pretty much the situation with Australian aborigines.

  4. So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by The+Pirou · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Or is the anonymous celeb indicating that he uses the same u/p for every single website he visits? Were that the case, it'd be interesting to see what other websites he/she has signed up for that haven't been compromised. I've heard you can't teach an old dog new tricks...

    1. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by cduffy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A different way to read it is that the other hacks were independent, and the anonymous celeb is saying that Hell is no worse than any of the other organizations which were entrusted with personal information.

    2. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      I think he's indicating that he doesn't care about his personal information because he's already given most of it away on Facebook and Twitter. That, and he's a celebrity - personal life is the coin of that realm.

    3. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, he's saying that all of the otherwise-reputable companies he trusts have been letting him down lately because of their poor internet security. Facebook? Sucks. Hell Pizza? A big chain, i presume, and sucky security, obviously. Twitter? I don't know, but I don't trust them with anything important. Lots of banks, a ton of universities, and many other entities of various sizes expose you to risks such as identity theft. Strong, unique passwords are a no-brainer, but you can't protect yourself if the sites you trust expose your info to every script kiddie and 1337 hax0r who comes along. But I suppose knowing who the "celebrity" (quotes because we are talking about New Zealand) is, and thus how likely to be targeted he or she is.

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    4. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      the "celebrity" (quotes because we are talking about New Zealand)

      Its obviously Russell Crowe

    5. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone actually read the source?? The celebrity is Dai Henwood, who actually is well known in NZ because he actually has a talent worth noting; he's funny. Try living in England where 7.5 seconds of late night screen time means you get to be a "celebrity", honestly, you'd think the British hate their own lives so badly they simply create these people out of thin air just to have someone else to talk about!

    6. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's right there in the article, the "celeb" in question is comedian Dai Henwood. And from his quote it seems fairly clear that he's saying his Facebook/Twitter has previously been hacked via other means, thus he has nothing bad to say about the pizza company.

    7. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      you'd think the British hate their own lives so badly they simply create these people out of thin air just to have someone else to talk about!

      Isn't that how Susan Boyle was spawned?

    8. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Maybe he was just using the same keylogger.

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    9. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by socceroos · · Score: 1

      Shutup. We claimed Russell.

    10. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by hvm2hvm · · Score: 1

      Or that the "anonymous celeb" just doesn't understand what it means to have a secure password and security question and not entering them in phishing sites...

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    11. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we're still grateful. Thank you, thank you, thank you ...

    12. Re:So Hell Pizza requires Facebook/Twitter UID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was actually Dai Henwood, who is a first class comedian..unfortunately in this scenario. Will give him some material though, I'm sure.

  5. SQL Injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't news.

    Their server would execute any SQL query sent to it. The SQL queries were hard coded into the Flash objects they used.

    1. Re:SQL Injection by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'd like to order a large, thin crust, double cheese, pepperoni and drop table..."

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    2. Re:SQL Injection by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "I'd like to order a large, thin crust, double cheese, pepperoni and drop table..."

      No clear the table before you place your order so your pizza gets the priority it deserves.

    3. Re:SQL Injection by rumith · · Score: 1

      Hell, it's about time!

    4. Re:SQL Injection by Splod · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can't believe nobody's made the "it was all fine until Bobby Tables ordered" joke yet: http://xkcd.com/327/

    5. Re:SQL Injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like spoiler alerts for any M. Night Shyamalan film, the statute of limitations is up on having to include the link to your XKCD ref.

    6. Re:SQL Injection by pinkushun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why else would you Hack into a Pizza chain, other than to order free pizza?

      INSERT INTO ORDERS
      SELECT [cheese] AS [topping 1], [pepperoni] as [topping 2], [free] AS [price], [asap] AS [priority]

    7. Re:SQL Injection by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mate, you should try a Hell pizza. They are completely awesome. The website used to have pictures of the pizzas and they not like Italian/American pizzas at all as they have a large number of ingredients on top (not just cheese, pizza sauce and peperoni). My favourite is the "Mordor" and if you ever get to NZ you ought to try it. The other excellent pizza is the 'Unearthly' dessert pizza - sooo good.

    8. Re:SQL Injection by operagost · · Score: 1

      The website used to have pictures of the pizzas and they not like Italian/American pizzas at all as they have a large number of ingredients on top

      Mmm hmmm. Yeah, we just have pepperoni. California's had wackjob pizzas for decades, and they found their way to the east coast like fifteen years ago.

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    9. Re:SQL Injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, Mordor is my favorite too, they really do make good pizzas and the information that they had stored is only marginally more than you could get from the phone book anyway. The phone book doesn't show you favorite pizza and email address but its not really that bad unless you have an unlisted phone number.

    10. Re:SQL Injection by mpe · · Score: 1

      Their server would execute any SQL query sent to it. The SQL queries were hard coded into the Flash objects they used.

      Pity the first extra command sent to it wasn't a DROP DATABASE :)

    11. Re:SQL Injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mate , you shouldnt try Hells Pizza! Not if you live in Hataitai anyway. Worst pizza ever. Unless you like hard ,overbaked crust and a lacklustre approach to applying topping.

    12. Re:SQL Injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different people, different tastes... I wouldn't put Mordor in my mouth even if I was starving to death. I don't even consider it as pizza. Try "Sals" or "Pizza Amore" if you are in Auckland and if you want to eat real pizza.

    13. Re:SQL Injection by HBoar · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they've gone down hill lately, as proved by their new ads admitting that they have less fat than pizza hut pizzas and less salt than dominoes. Now, Hells are still better (by a huge margin in the case of dominoes), but by what stretch of the imagination is low fat & salt a good thing for a pizza?? I'm not eating pizza to lose weight and maintain a healthy heart or whatever, and personally I need my salt as I do quite a lot of exercise.

      Anyway, Spagalimis do a better New Zealand pizza in my opinion, and they aren't as ridiculously expensive either.

    14. Re:SQL Injection by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Agreed. You could say, "it's all gone to hell lately".

  6. The FA quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Twitter has been hacked, my Facebook has been hacked...

    And hopefully he learned not to use the same password everywhere.

  7. Hmmm.... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    Hope it was a helluva good pizza.

    1. Re:Hmmm.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Nope

      http://www.heluvagood.com/

      makes only dips, condiments and cheese... No pizza

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  8. Pizza Woes: A Tale by Robotron23 · · Score: 1, Funny

    It wasn't until I'd consumed it that I realized what was happening. Tom heartily recommended the new bread-disc, imploring I buy it with gusto:

    "Pete this triple layer, cheese, anchovy, jalapeno, ape and pepperoni monster will be the takeaway of your life. They put cayenne in the tomato puree and man...just buy it. Gotta be tasted to be believed."

    It's hardly common for that man to grant such an endorsement, and the next day I phoned up and got a jumbo 14" , the guy over the phone even said; 'We think you're gonna love it' - nobody ever said that to me in my illustrious history of calling up for food to my door! My heart did a little jump of the sort you get when for just a moment you swear you found a premium Ron Jeremy classic clip, or Heaven 17's 'Temptation' starting to play at a club as you instinctly haul your drunken, middle-aged self onto the dance floor for some old school self-embarassment for you and those around you - quality heartjumping you know?

    I wasn't letting this occasion pass me by without making it memorable. I pulled out my deceased grandmother's candlelabra and stuck it onto the table together with purple wax scented candles I'd gotten from some hippy place in Camden years back. As I lit them and the lavender hit my nostrils it only accentuated the splendid truth that the pizza would soon arrive...

    I texted Tom and a few other friends on my HTC Android, saying that some detailed pics of my consuming the bread mass and topping would follow. A simple smiley emoticon from Tom was the reply, but Tim from sports desk said...

    "Pete I don't even wans to think abut your wrinkled visage and yellow-teeth digging into some pizza some guy told you was legendary. Get a grip or just put the pic on Facebook like any other conceited moron would. Or Digg...you'd probably get dugg 300 times minimum."

    Bastard. Trying to rain on the parade - but there was the doorbell! I answered it, and a smiling young chap at the door said 'Hi that'll be £11.99 and here's a free bottle of Coke'.

    I eagerly took the box and cola, handed over the exact change which was already prepared at the porch. The thought of the spicy clash of cayenne, jalapeno, salted ape and more was becoming less pleasent anticipation and more torture. I took my time putting the box by the table...relishing the prospect of chomping it down with abandon.

    Then I opened the box......there was a 14 inch pizza but it was mere cheese and tomato! Cheese and tomato! That was it - bog-standard bullshit that I only bought in my student years due to financial stress!! An insult! Insult!

    Like Tommy Wiseau in The Room I cried out a terrible and gargly cry and began a slow-paced trashing of my living room. The TV, a lovely Toshiba, went out of the window - my signed picture of Steven Jobs was smashed (later received a new frame), and I smeared the pizza over my sofa to devastating effect. The anger subsided...and although I managed to put together an omelette that night, these pizza woes will never leave me...I left a one-star review for the London Hell Pizza branch, and threatened legal action should my Android number ever find its way into some pranker's greasy mitts.

  9. Risky.Biz Explaination by SJ2000 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Risky.Biz

    Immediately I spotted the SQL Queries being made by the Flash SWF as part of the query string to the server-side. The Flash client makes queries which are hard-coded in the .swf (this is dumb as it means SQL Injection is effectively a 'feature' of the store). You could easily alter the query string to show the hashes stored in the MySQL users table. I figured out the version of MySQL was 4.0 (Debian Sarge) - and the hashes in this version are very weak, cracking them would take less than a couple of hours. MySQL was listening on a remote port, so one could simply log in remotely and run queries or dump the database slowly so as to not be noticed.

    1. Re:Risky.Biz Explaination by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Risky.Biz

      ... The Flash client makes queries which are hard-coded in the .swf (this is dumb as it means SQL Injection is effectively a 'feature' of the store).

      Their webdesign company is called "Inject Design Ltd.". Go figure ...

      You could easily alter the query string to show the hashes stored in the MySQL users table. I figured out the version of MySQL was 4.0 (Debian Sarge) - and the hashes in this version are very weak, cracking them would take less than a couple of hours.

      I'm unsure what hashes he is talking about here. Password hashes? What was the weak hash algorithm?

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    2. Re:Risky.Biz Explaination by Splab · · Score: 1

      He is talking about the password hashes, if you have MySQL, look in the MySQL catalog for the users table, it should have a field with password, where all passwords are hashed.

      Haven't checked, but they where most likely using MD5 back then for hashing, so it's a matter of quering a rainbow table to get the passwords.

    3. Re:Risky.Biz Explaination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a software update issue. MySQL versions less than 4.1 had weak database user password hashing. Version 4.1 fixed that by improving the password hash mechanism. Newer mysql servers can opt to have the old, weak password hash, if they have old clients, but considering this is FLOSS software, it's really pretty unreasonable that these guys haven't updated their MySQL server since ~2004, when 4.1 was released.

      So this guy recognized that they were using weak database user passwords, so he copied all the hashes to his local PC and cracked them, presumably to get mysql "root" access. This was just adding insult to injury though, because he already had a very reliable sql injection pathway.

  10. 50 steps of fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who are they employing as security experts to use such an uncouth catchphrase in a serious discussion of security? Or has the spread of unfunny nerd culture spread so far into the ranks of the professional geek?

    1. Re:50 steps of fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are they employing as security experts to use such an uncouth catchphrase in a serious discussion of security? Or has the spread of unfunny nerd culture spread so far into the ranks of the professional geek?

      dunno and yarp

  11. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We invented nuclear physics you insensitive clod! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford

  12. "my twitter has been hacked" by Kickasso · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe using that credit card number as a Twitter password wasn't such a good idea after all.

  13. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by gregrah · · Score: 1

    They play a pretty mean game of rugby... or so I've heard.

  14. Yes SIR!!!! by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 2, Funny

    I will get my ass of your lawn immediately, SIR!!!!

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  15. Old news, except for Hell by tbird81 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The original breech was at least one year ago, but Hell chose to ignore it. Whoever made their website allowed SQL code to be run from the url.

    Here's a blog by the owner of the geekzone forum that initially discovered the problem (because someone received spam from a disposable email address they used with the company.

  16. Hell Pizza is Awesome! by mad.frog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's actually brilliant pizza -- easily the best pie I've ever had outside of the USA (or Italy). Inventive topping combinations and skillfully made. I wish they'd open a franchise here in California.

    1. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I wish they'd open a franchise here in California.

      Go ahead and make an order. Your pizza may require reheating on arrival though.

    2. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by Hairy1 · · Score: 1

      I agree. The other Pizza chains have raced to the bottom in terms of price, and as a result the quality is... well lets just say that many biologists would have trouble identifying it as biological matter, much less food. Hell Pizza has not played that game, much to their credit. They are not a huge chain, and that's the way we like it.

    3. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by mad.frog · · Score: 1

      I don't care whether it's a huge chain. I care much more about whether the food is good. Hell Pizza: good food, at a worth-paying-a-bit-more-for price.

    4. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I wish they'd open a franchise here in California.

      For the pizza, for the possibility to get the phone number of the celebs in Hollywood or for both?

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    5. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why do Americans call pizza a "pie"? A pie is a baked dish which is usually made of a pastry dough casing that covers or completely contains a filling of various sweet or savoury ingredients. Pizza is nothing like pie, pizza has a bread base, and is not covered.

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    6. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      have you not had Chicago Deep Dish?

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    7. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do New Zealanders refer to themselves as kiwis? Kiwi are flightless birds endemic to New Zealand, in the genus Apteryx and family Apterygidae. People are nothing like birds, birds have feathers, and are not mammals.

    8. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by mpe · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and make an order. Your pizza may require reheating on arrival though.

      They'd probably want to order from the Auckland store. Though I wasn't able to find how much Air New Zealand would want for shipping a pizza across the Pacific or if the US authorities would allow it to leave LAX.

    9. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by MortimerGraves · · Score: 1

      I'm suspecting that the name of the chain may need altering for the US market though.

      California might be OK... but how well would "Hell Pizza" go down in the bible belt?

    10. Re:Hell Pizza is Awesome! by MortimerGraves · · Score: 1

      Serious answer?

      The Kiwi is the NZ national bird. Its distinctive profile has appeared on NZ military uniforms dating back to the Boer War, and WWI. NZ soldiers apparently acquired the "Kiwi" nickname from the uniform patch, and the nickname then spread to mean any New Zealander.

  17. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know if New York-style pizza can properly be called "pizza" by the definition most other places use. I like to think of it more as a highly efficient grease delivery system.

  18. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't be in a such hurry to claim the Rutherford atom. I can't think of too many ideas (that won't go away from the popular imagination) that are the source of more wrong thinking. It's one of those ideas that actually impedes understanding.

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    No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
  19. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by Nutria · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They play a pretty mean game of rugby...

    Groups of large, sweaty, scantily-clad men gathering together for "energetic" group hugs?

    --
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  20. at least they were upfront about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I received an email from Hell just under a week ago:

    "Dear Valued Hell Customer,

    We have been approached by a party claiming to be in possession of
    customer details from the previous Hell website which is no longer in
    operation. The samples that we received included details of four customers
    from 2006, including phone numbers and email addresses and order
    information. We can confirm that credit card data was not at risk as this
    is held independently on a secure banking website.

    Whilst we are still investigating the matter, we can confirm that the
    information was obtained without our knowledge and we have approached the
    New Zealand Police with a view to lodging a formal complaint."

    They were upfront and open to their clients about the data breach, in a world where most corporates prefer the 'duck and hide' tactic. I appreciated their honesty, and will continue to shop there.

    1. Re:at least they were upfront about it by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I appreciated their honesty,

            Yeah, they were so honest, they forgot to tell you about the other 229,996 customers...

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    2. Re:at least they were upfront about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's reasonable. The company couldn't know for sure that the cracker really had 300K customer details (although it most probably was true). So they omitted this 300K figure to avoid undue alarm. Of course it's also a PR spin, but I think it's still reasonable at this point of time.

    3. Re:at least they were upfront about it by Splab · · Score: 1

      Also, when you are already dealing with Hell, I think it's hard to get in good standing with the competition...

    4. Re:at least they were upfront about it by taniwha · · Score: 1

      maybe to you - I haven't received that email yet and I'm sure my email address is in there too somewhere

    5. Re:at least they were upfront about it by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      I received an email from Hell just under a week ago:

      Dear Friend,
      I am Lucifer of the Army of Evil. Our beloved father Satan is dead and has left over a inheritance of $14,000,000,000, which I have to transfer on a foreign bank account.
      ...

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      Hell Segmentation fault

    6. Re:at least they were upfront about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SAMPLE. Learn to read.

    7. Re:at least they were upfront about it by CoyoteNZ · · Score: 1

      They were up front and honest NOW. I was writing to them back in 09 telling them that I'm pretty sure that there system was hacked, as I was receiving spam at a disposable email address I only used for them, and they flat out denied it. It seemed this mainly come to the forefront because there were others like me, who were using disposable email addresses, so knew where the email addresses came from, who instead of approaching the company, informing them they had a problem (and being told no we don't go away), decided to instead talk about it in forums and try to work out what happened. So no, they weren't "upfront and open", until their hand was forced!

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  21. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

    Hell Pizza may suck on the security front (as evidenced by this story), but I have to say they make the best pizza I've ever had, anywhere... and that's a fairly ringing endorsement since I've eaten pizza on pretty much every continent on earth (including classic Italian pizza in Italy, New York pizza in New York, and so on).

    It's also worth pointing out that while their security may suck, their web design is pretty awesome... Just playing with the cute little devils on their website

    is a great time filler while you wait for your delivery.

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  22. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You either new or slow. You in CA. Let me give you some advice - switch over to tacos and burritos. You ain't gonna get decent pizza out here. Tacos and burritos here, though, are awesome. Tell him to hold the beans.

    BTW, I love NY pizza - the sloppy, saucy, greasy slices. But midwest does the greasy grub best. Either way, you ain't getting it in loony Cali.

  23. Sad by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sadly, this isn't the only computer system security SNAFU. It isn't often that you hear about it, but many of the systems I have seen are security WTFs. I continue to be amazed at how little some programmers understand about their trade, and I just don't have words for people who think the security of their computer systems isn't important. Getting a system that is completely secure may be too much to expect, but the least you can do is not make it easy for someone to walk right in and do whatever they want with your data after 5 minutes of observing the publicly accessible part of your system!

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    1. Re:Sad by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay but how can you make a non-technical customer pay for security? They will go to the cheapest vendor and pay later when it stuffs up.

    2. Re:Sad by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      and I just don't have words for people who think the security of their computer systems isn't important.

      I do. Lots of them.

    3. Re:Sad by joost · · Score: 1

      Explain it to them. Show your track record. Show other places that have been hacked. Show you are taking steps to mitigate that. That is all you can do. Sure, some clients will walk away then. But they will remember you as the security-conscious guy. When then are cracked, they will remember you. When a friend of theirs tells them they were cracked, they will come to you also. In the mean time you sleep better knowing you haven't polluted the internet with flawed software. Sometimes that's all you can do.

    4. Re:Sad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What's really crazy is how many video stores collect information with which they have no business. One video store wanted my SSN, I just made one up that was vaguely similar to mine so it would seem like a misremembrance if it ever came up somehow. You know they're not taking any care whatsoever with your data. Virtually nobody has a privacy policy, either. Crap, my local library logs all your activity, but then they can't tell me how long the data persists! I tried to explain to them that they were a state facility but that they were effectively doing the job of the federal government, and that not providing a privacy policy is insanity, but no librarian in the place actually understood the importance of privacy or anonymity. What happened to the days when librarians were the champions of freedom of information, and not just Gestapo stooges?

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  24. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by kc8apf · · Score: 1

    IMHO, Cicero's Pizza in San Jose has probably the best NY-style pizza outside of NY.

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  26. Oh noes they know I like seafood pizza by MisterSchmoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm not saying that I like all my information shared, but if they know my favourite pizza the worst case scenario is they send me one, I will wipe away the tears as I eat it.

    1. Re:Oh noes they know I like seafood pizza by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      but if they know my favourite pizza the worst case scenario is they send me one

      How about if they use your credit card to send your favourite pizza to every man, woman and child in the country?

    2. Re:Oh noes they know I like seafood pizza by internettoughguy · · Score: 1

      Well, it's sounds like free pizza, after you file the charge-back anyway.

  27. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least it deposed the plum-pudding model

  28. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    support your local hooker. (look up rugby positions)

  29. The problem was ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

    they only paid for low grade security and three sixes of uptime.
    Good pizza though at the branches near me on the west island.

  30. Re:1 pergatory, no onions, with olives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, that's how everyone does it in Europe (as far as I know, I haven't eaten pizza in _all_ European countries).
    Some non-Europeans seem to be rather... irritated by that though.

  31. email that was sent.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The email that I received from them:

    "Dear Valued Hell Customer,

    We have been approached by a party claiming to be in possession of customer details from the previous Hell website which is no longer in operation. The samples that we received included details of four customers from 2006, including phone numbers and email addresses and order information. We can confirm that credit card data was not at risk as this is held independently on a secure banking website.

    Whilst we are still investigating the matter, we can confirm that the information was obtained without our knowledge and we have approached the New Zealand Police with a view to lodging a formal complaint. Hell recognises the importance of protecting customer information and additional security measures were implemented earlier this year when our new website was rolled out (again, we reiterate that this is not an issue affecting the new website). As a further security measure your may wish to consider changing your passwords on other sites if they were the same as the old Hell Pizza website.

    We apologise for the incident and any inconvenience that this may have caused.

    Sincerely,

    Stu McMullin – Director Hell Pizza

    We acknowledge that some of you have asked to be removed from the database and we have only included you for the purposes of this notification. "

  32. Heaven Pizza for a change? by piotru · · Score: 1

    With the RFC'd angel bit on top?

  33. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by Matt_R · · Score: 1

    Hell Pizza may suck on the security front (as evidenced by this story), but I have to say they make the best pizza I've ever had, anywhere... and that's a fairly ringing endorsement since I've eaten pizza on pretty much every continent on earth

    I'm guessing they have frozen pizza in Antarctica ;)

    Hells are ok, i see they say they have Australian stores - but I can't find where any of them are...

    Oh well, lucky we have Crust.

  34. What I don't understand... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is why the hell some outfits feel the need to collect that much information about you just to sell you some food. After all, it doesn't make them a single extra sale. If you're not hungry, you're not going to buy a pizza.

    Any shop that tries to get that kind of information out of me gets a flat refusal. Likewise, any venue that tries to take my fingerprints or iris scan.

    1. Re:What I don't understand... by socceroos · · Score: 1

      Likewise, any venue that tries to take my fingerprints or iris scan.

      Ah, my friend, these days they just digitally map your face using the 10s to 100s of cameras that film you every day. We know who you are, citizen.

    2. Re:What I don't understand... by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why the hell some outfits feel the need to collect that much information about you just to sell you some food.

      Email address: to reset your password if you forget it (you'd want an account so you don't have to type in your address and payment info each time).
      Address: should be obvious.
      Phone number: to phone in case they don't get an answer at the door.

      TFA doesn't mention any extra personal details that were stolen. I don't see what's so crazy about them needing these other details for online ordering.

      --
      which is totally what she said
    3. Re:What I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Email address: to reset your password if you forget it (you'd want an account so you don't have to type in your address and payment info each time).

      Surely, if that's all they are storing the email address for, they should store a hash of the address instead. Passwords can be recovered by entering the username and email, the email is checked against the hash and then used to send out the password change details.

      Less plaintext data in the database means less data escapes during a breach. Yes it would still be possible for addresses to be tested against the exposed hash column in the hope of a few matches, but at least it's not a phishers to-do list.

    4. Re:What I don't understand... by larpon · · Score: 1

      Phone number: to phone in case they don't get an answer at the door.

      Some places they also uses the phone number if they can't actually make your order eg. they ran out of bacon for you bacon pizza or similar.

    5. Re:What I don't understand... by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      I am not sure if they store this info, but Dominos.com lets you pay by credit card on their online form, so that information very likely could be stored. And their pizza is much better to boot. I always get a lower price (the person on the phone is always rushed, hard to compare specials) AND I get points toward free food. Then again, I always use the (*)Cash option I prefer to tip in cash and the price is usually in the $15-$25 range is all. But ordering pizza by phone sucks, costs more and offers you no control over the process. Meanwhile, online ordering is a perfect example of the usefulness of the net.

      Now that I think of it, if the internet was only capable of porn and ordering pizza, it would still be worth the $40 a month connect fee.

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    6. Re:What I don't understand... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Pizza delivery service regularly calls because they can't find the clearly marked house on the clearly marked street.
      Why? Because the leading GPS service places the house at the wrong end of the street, and if the GPS doesn't match the terrain, these idiots believe the GPS.

      I've heard stories of people who have turned straight into brick walls or worse because their GPS told them, but before I moved here, I discounted these stories as wild exaggerations. Now I'm not so sure anymore.

    7. Re:What I don't understand... by larpon · · Score: 1

      I've got a friend who still drives aided by a map! -Would you believe that!

    8. Re:What I don't understand... by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      ...that much information...

      After reading TFA and visiting their website, I find that they don't collect a lot of extra information. The only thing I found unnecessary was gender - which might be a good courtesy measure (I've met a woman with my same name....it's a strange world.)

      Lets do less-than-brain-surgery to determine what information is required.

      Phone orders:
      Name, phone number, address, and the pizza order (size, crust, toppings, side orders, drinks, etc.) and the nearest franchise location. Possibly creating a list of previous pizza orders.

      Web orders - https://hellpizza.co.nz/stores/choose-region/referrer/order :
      Username, password, email address and all of the information required for a phone order.

      Lets look at these individually:
      Name: You could provide a fake one. I might choose Jacques - because it sounds cool.

      Phone number: they might need this to confirm your order or to get directions - this should be a real number unless you're not actually hungry.

      Address: not necessary unless you are asking for delivery.

      Keeping a list of previous orders makes sense, so the operator can take orders like "what I ordered last time" (this is how I order pizza). It also makes sense from a marketing and management perspective.

      Username/Password/email: Useful for preventing crank orders. Convenient for your customers who order frequently.

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    9. Re:What I don't understand... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've met a woman with my same name....it's a strange world.

      I'll say! If I met a woman by the name of Crudely Indecent, I'd have to ask her the name of the movies she's starred in.

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      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    10. Re:What I don't understand... by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 2, Funny

      This coming from "smooth wombat"... asl?

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      Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
    11. Re:What I don't understand... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Dominoes Pizza takes pride in the fact that the whore out, I mean sell every aspect of you over and over and over again. Collection agencies can get all your info from them on a subscription basis. Marketing companies also subscribe to their database as well as other companies. They are proud to throw their pizza customers info to the wind for anyone to buy.

      Most pizza places do this, they whore out your data left and right.

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    12. Re:What I don't understand... by mpe · · Score: 1

      ...is why the hell some outfits feel the need to collect that much information about you just to sell you some food.

      Maybe the ability to collect and store this came as standard with the system. With nobody ever bothering to ask if it was needed.

    13. Re:What I don't understand... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.bluemaumau.org/police_and_collection_agencies_love_dominos_database_pizza_lovers

      They store it and happily sell it.

      P.S. dominoes pizza is nasty. Try a real pizza place like a smaller mom and pop that wants to make quality instead of the cheapest high profit one they can.

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    14. Re:What I don't understand... by mpe · · Score: 1

      Pizza delivery service regularly calls because they can't find the clearly marked house on the clearly marked street.
      Why? Because the leading GPS service places the house at the wrong end of the street, and if the GPS doesn't match the terrain, these idiots believe the GPS.
      I've heard stories of people who have turned straight into brick walls or worse because their GPS told them, but before I moved here, I discounted these stories as wild exaggerations. Now I'm not so sure anymore.


      Maybe the Darwin Awards website should sponsor a GPS system which tells people to drive off a cliff :) There are also cases of truckers getting stuck on roads clearly signed as unsuitable through using inappropriate GPS maps.

    15. Re:What I don't understand... by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      One outfit in my life has _required_ to see my ID, my photo taken and issuing me with a mandatory customer card -- Grand* Casino in Helsinki, Finland. I guess the purpose of this for them to be able to identify any ocean eleven attempters in their glorious mega casino.

      (*) Grand: Couple of slot machines and black jack tables.

    16. Re:What I don't understand... by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Every couple years someone gets lost and nearly dies in the deserts of South-eastern Utah, because their GPS tells them to follow a jeep trail in their mini-van.

      Their GPS tells them the route to follow, so they mindlessly turn off the busy paved roads onto increasingly rough dirt roads that eventually turn into trails Jeeps struggle to travel over.

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  35. Re:I laugh at you weaklings by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    what's your backup plan when the world ends and you can't order pizza online?

    When the world ends, there will not be any more any ingredients for Pizza, nor any bricks to build an oven or wood to fire it. Which doesn't matter, because there will also not be any belly to be filled either.

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  36. Main issue is the passwords by houghi · · Score: 1

    Private information including passwords, e-mail and home addresses, phone numbers - plus pizza orders - has fallen into the hands of the anonymous cyber hackers.

    Main think is the passwords. Ok, for the celeb also the phone number. The whole thing is that AGAIN they apparently had the passwords saved in plain text.

    You could blame all the people who use the same passwords for many things and refuse to have a different password for each and every site they visit. I blame the people who have passwords in plain text saved. If that would not have happend, this would have been a non-issue story.

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  37. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Troll, I know, but what is with this calling of pizza "pie"?
    http://www.google.co.nz/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1280&bih=782&q=pie&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

  38. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

    Yeah. The Morder and Unearthly (dessert pizza!) are simply superb. Many a late night spent gaming powered by that combo - just what you need for the freshly-minted Starcraft II.

  39. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    They play a pretty mean game of rugby... or so I've heard.

    Say what? Is it the 1990s again?

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  40. Re:Appropriately named web design company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And for a list of soon to be hacked sites, please see their client page.

  41. Naaah... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    "Tonight we dine in HEAVEN!!!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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  42. Yeah, well, as an auditor by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine the roll call?

    Thompson, you got the banking industry, now make sure you are NOT distracted by those luscious red-headed twins they will send after you or for god sakes, say NO to the bulging envelopes of cash.

    William, you got the pizza place down the block. And for god sakes, stay away from their cousin Agnes, she fancies you and the last guy was crushed to death when she jumped on him. Oh, you are a slashdot reader? Then this might be your only chance.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  43. Hell's ordering portal by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    "about 50 steps of fail"? Why did he miss the opportunity to describe it as "abandon all hope, ye who enter here"?

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  44. just because they get paid... by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    I continue to be amazed at how little some programmers understand about their trade

    What makes you think programming is different from any other profession?

    You'd be amazed at how many "professionals" have absolutely no idea what they're doing, in any industry!

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  45. Hell Bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BTW their pizza sucks. the stores have this cheapo Goth theme decorated with that cheap Halloween crap from those seasonal costume stores.
    And the pizza is worse than the worst Dominoes you ever had.. poor Kiwis have to suffer poor pizza and poor security.

  46. Just hold on a minute here... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Flight of the Conchords taught me that kiwis are still using Commodore 64's and dialup. YOU LIED TO ME, BRETT AND JERMAINE!

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  47. Re:Hell Pizza = Pizza in CA by marika · · Score: 1

    It could be about the fact that there are various ingredients stack on a dough.

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  48. Snow Crash by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    I'm disappointed - why no gratuitous mention of Snow Crash in this thread?

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  49. Socially Acceptable by chipperm80 · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does it seem to be getting more socially acceptable for all of our information to get hacked. Even wikileaks is getting in on it. Starting to think that maybe I should get rid of all my online accounts and hide my money out back in a hole.

  50. Re:Appropriately named web design company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sure the website in use at the time (2006) was designed by a different company. I recall it being called Spikefin, but their website seems to have disappeared so I can't confirm it is the company I am thinking of.

  51. Re:Celebrities in New Zealand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rutherford did far more than merely develop his model of the atom. He is undisputedly the father of nuclear physics.

  52. Taxes and Crimes by andersh · · Score: 1

    It should be obvious that it's for tax purposes and to defeat illegal activity connected with gambling (money laundering).

    Tax information is collected automatically here and so are your taxes. Any income from gambling is obviously taxable as well, so the government needs a way to collect that information.

    Gambling is strictly regulated in the Scandinavian countries and Finland. We don't like gambling [politically] and it's not wide spread.

    I don't think we even have a casino in Norway at all, the lottery is state run and private gambling outfits are banned. It's only a tax on stupid people anyway, I think my government is right to ban it. However if you want to blow your money on horse races you're free to do so.

  53. Re:Appropriately named web design company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inject Design made their new site, the original site that was hacked was done by a company called Spikefin.