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Chevy Volt Not Green Enough For California

thecarchik writes "The first two plug-in cars from major manufacturers will go head-to-head on warranties and lease prices: $350 a month for the 2011 Chevrolet Volt, $349 for the 2011 Nissan Leaf. Now the choice shifts to other measures, including electric and overall range, as well as the plug-in perks that states like California offer to early adopters to encourage them to opt for electric cars. This is where it gets interesting. While California loves the Nissan Leaf, current regulations deny Chevy Volt buyers two significant perks: a $5,000 rebate, and permission to drive solo in HOV Lanes."

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  1. The leaf is not a hybrid by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

    The leaf is not a hybrid, the volt is. Seems pretty simple here folks.

    1. Re:The leaf is not a hybrid by paitre · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really - since the Prius DOES get the benefits that the Volt won't be.

      So... yeah. It makes very, very little sense.

    2. Re:The leaf is not a hybrid by coolgeek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, nope. HOV passes are not issued to hybrids any longer.

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    3. Re:The leaf is not a hybrid by fredmosby · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article says the 2011 Prius, which will be a plug in hybrid, will qualify for HOV passes. The Chevy volt won't even though it is also a plug in hybrid. Ironically this is because it is designed to drive without the engine running most of the time. It's catalytic converter isn't constantly heated, which means that under certain conditions it can give off evaporative emissions.

    4. Re:The leaf is not a hybrid by athakur999 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't believe how many people here seem to misunderstand this... As you say, the Volt is an EV. It can run without a drop of gasoline if you want it to, something a hybrid can't do. The drivetrain of the Volt is purely electric. The gasoline part of the Volt is just a generator to keep providing juice to the electric motor if the battery pack runs out. If you stay within the range of the battery pack, the generator will never need to turn on.

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  2. GM didn't appy. by guidryp · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1896

    According to GM spokespersons Robert Peterson in Michigan and Shad Balch in California, GM decided in 2007 when it committed to series production of the Volt, to not seek California Air Resources Board AT-PZEV certification. Instead, the decision was made to certify the car in all 50 United States. ARB certification would have required, both GM executives explained, additional testing and since California's air quality regulators had yet to figure out how to classify the Volt, GM felt it was more important to continue the accelerated development program and get the car out by the Fall of 2010 then wait for ARB to come up with a way to categorize what will be for many drivers essentially an all-electric car, while for other who driver further distances each day, a hybrid.

  3. Re:Why should ANY of them get an HOV lane pass? by El_Oscuro · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here in DC, we have Slug Lanes. It is informal, not run by any government which is why it actually works. Essentially, commuters wishing to use an HOV lane pick 2 people waiting at bus stops or parking lots so they can. So as a result, you do actually get cars off the roads. Of course, if the government managed it, it wouldn't work.

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  4. Re:The Chevy Volt is a series-hybrid? by joe_frisch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Typically diesels are more efficient than spark ignition engines - though not as much as it seems. Diesel fuel is more dense than gasoline so while the carbon emissions are better per mile, it is not by as much as the miles per gallon would suggest.

    Typically diesels are more expensive and heavier than equivalent power spark ignition engines (for similarly advanced designs), so there is some disincentive to consumers. Diesel fuel is somewhat less available in the US.

    Possibly a more serious problem is that diesels produce more non-CO2 emissions, especially particulates, than spark engines. This has gotten better over time, but modern spark engines are still cleaner.

    A diesel hybrid is still a good idea - but not quite as big a win as it might seem